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More reflections on the Mar-A-Lago raid: Trump as an illegitimate president — 143 Comments

1. I agree. What do we do about it?

2. Spot on, Neo. They never considered him to be actually president and their lack of respect for him as a former president is consistent with that.

3. Spot-on analysis. Trump might be the only electable candidate with a real chance of draining the swamp, or at least getting a good start. With what he knows now, given his experience as president and since then, he might actually have a chance of dismantling some of the rot by kneecapping whole agencies or portions thereof. I bet there are a lot of smart people willing to help, some of whom emerged during or near the end of his term. Were it not for the plague, he might have already started.

4. The infamous exchanges by text between the corrupt lawyers Strzok and Page to the effect that Trump would not be elected and that he would, in fact, be stopped, as well as the allusion to the “insurance policy” to bring him down should the “unthinkable” occur, represent the mentality of the malign forces currently at work destroying the last vestiges of our republic (politically) and of traditional America (culturally). The left will truly use any method which it deems necessary, no matter how unethical, in its monomaniacal obsession with preventing Trump from running and with criminalizing not only his supporters but any and all dissenters from its totalitarian evil. Neither Ahab after the whale nor Javert after Valjean can match the deranged lunacy or the malevolent and relentless determination of these truly repugnant enemies of liberty and of truth.

5. Astute analysis. David Brooks has a column out that is still consumed with “Trump is illegitimate” thinking but he actually acknowledges that the constant persecution of Trump isn’t working.

   He frames at as a problem of the stupid, grubby masses distrusting their betters but he at least admits the distrust is real and a problem. If Brooks is writing that, you know other DC elites are thinking it.

   Mike

6. Nothing I could argue against here

7. That’s a good analysis, Neo. Thank you for sharing it.

   I keep remembering that virtually all Republican presidents in my lifetime (since Eisenhower) were treated shabbily by the Washington elite, then after their term was up, they were (sort of) rehabilitated and allowed into the elite circles again. Perhaps the most successful at this was GWB, who (although he doesn’t spend much time in D.C.) is still referred to in positive terms, and is invited to state funerals. Trump is not. He will never be rehabilitated — the once and future pariah. I suspect he will not even be given a state funeral or buried in Arlington. The two minute hate has become perpetual.

   Then the establishment made the mistake of raiding Mar A Lago. The non-person is once again in the news and the establishment his stirred up his supporters. Was this a mistake? I think it might have been.

   As for the White House spokesman — spokeswoman — spokesfemme — saying “no comment” when asked if Biden had advance warning: that is a losing strategy. Is he so out of touch, critics will ask, that the DOJ didn’t even call to let him know in advance? That’s how it looks.

   People who like to say Trump lives rent-free in Democrats’ head have proved their point. They cannot let him go. His name is the leading news all over the country. Serious blunder, I believe.

8. WSJ yesterday had a piece about a individual convicted of Medicare fraud. Trump granted clemency on the grounds of prosecutoral misconduct. The DOJ has now re-filed charges. Apparently, there were a few counts on which the original jury failed to reach a verdict, and the DOJ is attempting to re-try on those charged, arguing that Trump’s clemency grant can only apply to the charges on which the defendant was actually convicted.

   I don’t have an opinion on whether the guy should have been granted clemency in the first place (I know very little about the case). The behavior of the DOJ here is nuts. They don’t consider Trump to have been a legitimate president.

9. It was a thing among Federal employees not to say Trump’s name while he was president — I observed it many times. Until recently Biden continued this, pointedly referring to Trump only as “the last person” or the “former president.”

   And I was surprised that more wasn’t made of Nancy Pelosi’s ripping up the State of the Union address live on tv.

   Yet Trump was the one subverting our institutions….

10. And no one has attempted to answer Brian’s question.

11. BrianE I agree. What to do about it is the only question and the rest is handwringing and woe is me. The left’s dominant position in our culture starts with the schools. Government schools have to be eliminated. look for candidates that support school choice. There are some. Even though Ducey in Arizona let us down in the election he pushed through one of the best school choice programs in the nation. if anyone here can name state and local government candidates that support school choice, please share that with us. I want to donate to him or her. another place to donate is Hillsdale college. They have a very good program for charter schools and homeschoolers.

12. I don’t think there is answer to Brian’s question. Unless someone knows how to undo mass psychosis/mass hate of 50% of the population.

13. Trump’s main sin is that he bypassed processes Republicans and Democrats have established to gain the presidential candidacy for each of their parties. Some, like Biden, have suffered years of ignominy in roles that do not reflect their grandiose ambitions in order to win that prize. Trump should have settled for third party candidacy – the audacity!

14. It appears that almost everyone that Trump hired to staff his Administration (probably based on their public reputations, and recommendations from his supposed “Republican” allies), those career Federal employees who were supposed to faithfully carry out his orders, and many supposedly “Republican” members of Congress betrayed him.

    Currently a President has around 7,000 individuals who he can appoint to key Executive Branch positions in his new Administration.

    Presuming Trump is the candidate and wins in 2024, to have any chance of rolling back the damage the Democrats and their policies and appointments have already done, and of making any headway at all against the Swamp/Deep State,Trump would have to arrive in Washington with a cadre of his own people–trustworthy and knowledgeable people who he had identified and recruited who actually shared his views, “outsiders” who he had already independently vetted, and who would have to be ready–on day one–to take up those key positions in the Executive Branch, including the Military.

    Trump would also have to have reliable, active, supportive, fearless, and combative Republican majorities in both the House and Senate.

    Is that a realistic possibility?

    Does anyone think that there are enough informed and capable outsiders who would be willing to move themselves (and likely their families) to a hostile D.C. and to fight–each and every minute of every day–against the permanent Federal bureaucracy and it’s passive–aggressive resistance, plus the more energetic measures of the Swamp?

15. I am convinced that the Left and the Deep State will never let Trump be re-elected. As a last resort, look at General Hayden’s comment about the Rosenberg’s execution.

    Also, note the absence of any comment by DeSantis on the raid in his state. Sundance at CTH is convinced DeSantis has been turned.

    I just hope Trump has his own good security. I don’t trust the SS any more than the FBI.

16. P.S. To have any realistic chance of rolling things back to any significant degree, Trump would also have to have a trustworthy, dedicated, very competent, and electable Vice President who actually agreed with, and would continue his policies if elected as the next President.

17. What to do about it? That’s the question. The first answer that springs to mind is GET INVOLVED.

    Every campaign needs money. Give what you can to good candidates. Even five or ten dollars helps.

    If you have the time and inclination, contact your local GOP headquarters and volunteer to ring doorbells, man phone banks, place signs, help get out the vote, etc. Those things do make a difference. If nothing else, be sure you, and everyone you know who would vote GOP, votes.

    Write e-mails to your Congressional Reps, even if they are Democrats. Let them know where you stand and why. If they are GOP, encourage them to follow the MAGA policies.

    Take time to send your local police department an e-mail vowing your support for their mission. I did that and the department was very grateful for it. They don’t get much open support these days.

    Those may seem small things, but when enough citizens get involved, it can be very powerful.

18. Mike K:

    As I wrote on the open thread today, that post of Sundance’s is garbage. Among other things, DeSantis spoke out against the raid almost immediately. Here’s a link to an article about it https://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/florida-democrats-blast-gov-ron-desantis-over-mar-a-lago-raid-comments-32209486

19. Ideology means never having to say you’re sorry — or revise your opinions based on new evidence. I understand that Trump was spontaneous and could be unpredictable, so opponents could assume he was capable of anything, but isn’t it time to admit that he wasn’t that bad a president? Maybe he’s so unpredictable that he shouldn’t be given power again, but give the guy his due: surprisingly, and against expectations, he turned out to be a successful president and well above average — if you aren’t obsessed by all the tweets.

    Will Trump ever be rehabilitated? Partially. To beat up a later Republican president. But only after he is safely in the ground.

20. Given that Trump “must be prevented from ever winning again”, how is it even remotely plausible that they didn’t cheat as much as they possibly could?

21. Ends and means, eggs and omelettes.

22. I too agree.

    “What do we do about it?” Brian E

    Vote in Nov. and await the results, which will reveal if the rot and corrupted electoral process has deepened substantially more.

    Take it one day at a time. We live in “interesting times”. Never give up. Hard times make for hard men and women. The Greatest Generation was forged in the crucible of the depression.

    “This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom, as in the olden time.” Winston Churchill

23. What do we do about it? We do everything we can to re-elect Trump. I was on the fence between Trump and DeSantis, but after the raid, I am all in for Trump, and I think there are millions of people of similar bent, who see the raid as the straw that finally exposed the Dems hypocrisy and intentions.

24. What to do about current affairs of state is almost a rhetorical question. Maharishi was once asked what to do if “the worst” happens. His answer was to simply witness it. Consciousness is the ultimate reality. Not everything that shows up is something that we as citizens in a corrupted democracy can do anything about.

25. Martin Gurri has a good piece in City Journal https://www.city-journal.org/the-elite-panic-of-2022 .

26. In our dark hour we can draw inspiration from Churchill– from a talk at Harrow school in October 1941. “this is the lesson: never give in, never give in, never, never, never-in nothing, great or small, large or petty – never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy”

27. Sundance is sometimes terribly naive, i value trump as a blunt instrument but he made some really bad policy choices probably mike pence at the top of the list

    Somethings could not be helped say emdorsing the lockdowns for a time but take omarossa or scaramucci relatively low on the totem poll. Bridge builders like mattis and tillerson were a mistake

28. The devil is in the details why they had to cheat because it was the only way to further the destruction he was an imperfect check on the borg feeding on the body politic.

29. Bob Wilson:

    I’ll take Winston’s advice over that of some rando fakir.

30. neo on August 13, 2022 at 6:00 pm said:
    Mike K:

    As I wrote on the open thread today, that post of Sundance’s is garbage.

    I had not seen that. Thanks. I am actually leaning toward DeSantis and was glad to see that he did respond. Trump is too old and focussed on 2020 but Garland might have just re-elected him or scheduled his assassination.

31. Churchill was a fluke because of gallipoli because of his stand on the gold standard and his view on india the Tories preferred baldwin chamberlain and would have taken lord halifax which would have been a disaster.

    Now desantis about the same age as churchill was in his prime a navy man rather than army (although as advisor to the seals, he splits the difference) velvet glove to the iron fist

32. Trump needed to win by a large enough margin that the
    Democrats couldn’t steal the election — or to prevent them from stealing it. Pence shouldn’t have been put in the position of having to save everything at (or after) the last minute.

    Can anything be done about the Trump haters? If Trump could be “normalized” rather than treated as some absurd, illegitimate interloper, that might help. Can he be “normalized”? Is that really what supporters want? Or is it precisely the outsider, the challenger of everything that is established, that we love?

33. The deplorable Hillary Clinton publicly labeled Donald Trump an “illegitimate” president more than once during his tenure and was never challenged by anyone in the propaganda mill that styles itself our news media.

    The most important thing any of us can do this year is hamstring Barack Obama’s third term by voting the Democrats out of their House and Senate majorities, if we can overcome the margin of fraud. That is fundamental. Our votes probably don’t count, the establishment Republicans are worms, and it’s unlikely that US politicians are actually in charge of anything at this point. But the spectacle and symbolism of a crushing Democratic defeat would richly repay the effort of showing up at the polls in November.

    As for 2024, I hope Donald Trump will step aside and let Ron De Santis take it from here. For one thing, Trump is too old. For another, as Mike K notes, Trump is too focused on 2020, and in our current dire situation we can’t afford a campaign that would be all about his wounded amour-propre (to be clear, though, I regard the repulsive puppet Joe Biden and “his” fraudulent, destructive regime as legitimately illegitimate).

    If De Santis runs, he will of course be vilified according to the same playbook run indiscriminately on the vulgar Trump and Milquetoast Mitt Romney. One can hope that the Democrats’ old, stale tactics will be recognized as such and rejected by enough voters, including some who may have been radicalized by the “Biden” regime’s criminal effrontery and overreach.

    That said, if Trump runs, I will vote for him.

34. When you have an avalanche of unverifiable votes mostly from thd mosf corrupt burgs in the country what is your solufion

35. Romney was pregelded more than a harem eunuch but he sings loudly for the progs he wants to impress like his father did in the 60s

36. We were within 50, 000 voted of that down low methhead as governor the dems put up nikki fried who initially seemed sensible but now pledges to abolish fossil fuels charlie cheetah is nearly as bad in different ways

37. It’s hopeless, isn’t it?

    Even if we can replace all the school boards in the country, how are we going to replace all the indoctrinated teachers?

    Maybe we can take back Congress in the midterms and the White House in 2024, and maybe we can survive the damage the Democrats can do in the meantime. But someday they will again control all branches of government, and after that it will be the boot stamping on a human face forever.

    Please convince me that I’m wrong.

38. The intensity of the hatred tells you how evil they are. They lie, smear, slander, steal and cheat relentlessly. And they hate as intensely as any group of people ever has.

    Normal, morally decent people have at least a minimal amount of self-awareness. They realize when they have let hatred dominate them. This level of hatred is not healthy. Not even remotely. And, if they weren’t morally defective, they’d realize this about themselves.

    But they cheer for the corrupt and dishonest. And have for decades. They embrace criminality. They KNOW they aren’t honest about Trump. And they enjoy their dishonesty and criminality.

39. The key point in this is that they have shown how much they also hate the voters. They have zero respect for us. Zero respect for the constitution. Zero respect for democracy and the republic.

    Democracy dies with Democrats.

40. neo moves into Victor Davis Hanson territory with this post — which is a good thing. She supplies the context missing from mainstream reporting/editorializing.

    Example: The David Brooks column MBunge mentioned earlier.
    ______________________

    The [Trump] narrative has a core of truth to it. Highly educated metropolitan elites have become something of a self-enclosed Brahmin class. But the Trumpian propaganda turns what is an unfortunate social chasm into venomous conspiracy theory. It simply assumes, against a lot of evidence, that the leading institutions of society are inherently corrupt, malevolent and partisan and are acting in bad faith.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/opinion/fbi-trump-mar-a-lago-raid.html
    ______________________

    However, Brooks fails to mention all the indisputable evidence — the constant efforts to lie about, frame and impeach Trump — which came to nothing.

    As well as to compare the kid gloves treatment which Hillary and other Deep State officials who attacked Trump received, with the unprecedented iron fist, SWAT team approach used against Trump and his associates.

    However, Brooks is serenely confident that the FBI is likely onto something, but it’s a shame it will polarize the country further because Trump supporters are stubborn and foolish.
    ______________________

    My impression is that the F.B.I. had legitimate reasons to do what it did. My guess is it will find some damning documents that will do nothing to weaken Trump’s support. I’m also convinced that, at least for now, it has unintentionally improved Trump’s re-election chances. It has unintentionally made life harder for Trump’s potential primary challengers and motivated his base.

    It feels as though we’re walking toward some sort of storm and there’s no honorable way to alter our course.
    ______________________

    I do love David Brooks’s wise “more in sorrow than in anger” pose.

41. . . . someday [the Democrats] will again control all branches of government, and after that it will be the boot stamping on a human face forever.

    Maybe, though a string of definitive losses, such as the ones the Dems suffered between 1980 and 1992, not to mention the 1994 midterms, may drive the so-called progressives back under their rock and make the party somewhat sane again, perhaps even capable of productive coexistence with the party across the aisle. It will also help when the current Democratic gerontocracy is forced, or falls, off the stage.

42. Why is he illegitimate is the death by a thousands we are suffering under this regime the new normal some pastiche of 70s 80s and 90s filmed dystopia (although the transgender insanity is something that wouodnt have occurred to any of those writers

43. They return to the engineer ship and settle in their seed pods you basically have to nuke the whole edifice from orbit and start over

44. Ok then

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Ron4California/status/1558593978294890496

    Its not enough they pay the largest jizda in history

45. Raising the stakes.
    (Again…and again…and again…)

    ‘MSNBC contributor, ex-spy chief hint Trump deserves execution over classified records dispute”;
    ‘Michael Beschloss tweeted: “Rosenbergs were convicted for giving U.S. nuclear secrets to Moscow, and were executed June 1953.” ‘—
    https://justthenews.com/accountability/media/msnbc-contributor-suggests-former-president-trump-should-be-executed-having

    Just another charming piece from the purgatory that is America’s Leftist commentariat….
    – – – – – –
    + Bonus…
    Covid-19 CONTINUES TO BE oh-so-very-useful…
    “Two Democratic lawmakers cast 10 proxy votes each on House floor in favor of $740B spending bill;
    “There were 187 proxy letters filed ahead of the vote, according to the House clerk website.”
    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/one-democratic-lawmaker-casts-10-proxy-votes-house-floor-favor-740b

    Useful for killing the elderly (but not only….)
    Useful for killing the economy (but not only….)
    Useful for defenestrating a sitting president (but not only….)
    Useful for destroying your country….

46. Neo, you’ve only scratched the surface. Hell here’s the page for Bill Gavin who’s the secretary of state here in Massachusetts. He’s literally campaigning by saying Trump is going to steal the 2024 election.(He literally has a video campaigning on that.) There is much irony in all of that.

47. Snow on Pine on August 13, 2022 at 5:28 pm said:
    “Does anyone think that there are enough informed and capable outsiders who would be willing to move themselves (and likely their families) to a hostile D.C. and to fight–each and every minute of every day–against the permanent Federal bureaucracy and it’s passive–aggressive resistance, plus the more energetic measures of the Swamp?”

    These two (rather long) articles by Axios suggest he has/had been working on this since 2017, and was getting ready to launch civil service reforms by late 2019, but then Covid hit and disrupted these plans:
    https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term

    https://www.axios.com/2022/07/23/donald-trump-news-schedule-f-executive-order

48. “And they know that half of America will agree and applaud them.”

    That’s the real problem, and it can’t be solved.

49. ‘Michael Beschloss tweeted: “Rosenbergs were convicted for giving U.S. nuclear secrets to Moscow, and were executed June 1953.” ‘—

    –Barry Meislin

    Beschloss is a presidential historian, thoroughly committed to the left, facts be damned. He has a Harvard degree and is all over the place. I remember him speaking disgracefully about Obama in 2008.
    ___________________________

    Michael Beschloss: “…this is a guy (Barack Obama) whose IQ is off the charts…”
    Imus: “Well. What is his IQ?”
    Historian Michael Beschloss: “Pardon?”
    Imus: “What is his IQ?”
    Historian Michael Beschloss: “Uh. I would say it’s probably – he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become President.”

    Really? The “unbiased” but clearly in-the-tank for Obama “historian” Beschloss thinks Obama is the “smartest guy ever to become president.” Okay. Based on what? The SAT scores Obama won’t release. The college transcripts from Occidental College that Obama won’t release. The transcripts from Columbia that Obama won’t release. Any existing IQ scores that Obama won’t release.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/douglas-mackinnon-dont-bother-these-guys-with-the-facts

50. This sounds about right:
    _________________________

    So, yes, sooner or later, someone is will get a grand jury or a judge to indict Donald Trump for something or other. Remember — they impeached him twice. Impeachment is a Congressional indictment, so this isn’t exactly a new concept to the Left. Once Trump is indicted, why would they stop there? The next step is to swear out an arrest warrant. At the very least, the former president will need to turn himself in, which will produce the coveted mugshot. Or, if someone especially vindictive gets there first, expect a full-on perp walk arrest. There’s no reason to think the FBI’s needless public arrest of former Trump advisor Peter Navarro was a one-off exercise.

    We have to accept the probability and be ready for it when it happens.

    If and when Leftist goblins arrest former president Trump, here’s the first thing to which we must all commit: We will not erupt into violence. If the anti-American forces succeed in goading the United States into a civil war, we’re over and done. You may as well start brushing up on your Mandarin now, if you think a hot civil war will work out well for us. There are still ways to get out of this mess without breaking the emergency glass yet.

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/08/13/yes-theyre-going-to-arrest-donald-trump-deal-with-it-n1620780

51. “One factor that McCord (Mary McCord, national security lawyer under Obama) suggested would be on the minds of DOJ national security lawyers is what Trump might have done with the highly classified material that was still believed to be at Mar-a-Lago. “Are we worried that some of this information would actually be shared outside of Mar-a-Lago, potentially with foreign adversaries? I’d be really concerned about that,” she said.”

    Something to keep I mind – during the RussiaGate Crossfire Hurricane investigation Ms McCord was the Acting AAG for National Security. That means that she was the AAG over the DOJ’s Counterintelligence Branch, the sister organization to the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division, where Peter Strzok was driving that investigation, as well as the one into Crooked Hillary’s illegal use of her private email system to conduct official business when she was Secretary of State. From their text messages, she worked with Strzok and Page, and had to have been high up in the approval chain for the 4 fraudulently acquired FISA warrants on Carter Page. Probably the highest ranking approval on the DOJ side below that of the AG or DAG required to sign for their department under the FISA statute.

    So, keep that I mind when you see her opining here. Reportedly much, if not most, of the material marked as highly classified (that Trump claims to have declassified) that was seized involved Crossfire Hurricane, etc, where Ms McCord was apparently involved up to her eyeballs.

52. Yes thats the stitchin on the fast ball, what you think this ends with only trump in jail, thats not how it works they want to purge all opposition any real one (the possum they will keep like the imperial senate in the opening of the new hope)

53. Dialing to eleven

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/mark-finkelstein/2022/08/13/cnns-mudd-claims-alleged-nuke-docs-trumps-beach-house-are

    How did we lose to the taliban

54. No, I don’t think Obama was the smartest man ever to become President. That distinction might go to James Garfield. Legend has it that you could ask him a question in English and he (being ambidextrous) could simultaneously write the answer in Latin with one hand and Greek with the other, languages he taught in college before enlisting to fight in the Civil War. I’m not sure I believe that, but in actual fact he is the only President to have published an original proof of the theorem of Pythagoras. Besides Garfield there may be a couple dozen other Presidents who were smarter than Obama.

55. Hmmm.
    So…is the FBI’s panty raid at Mar-A-Lago the prelude for its most ambitious, largest scale, most humungousest-EVAH plan of ENTRAPMENT thus far conceived by that talented, creative, outside-the-box agency??
    “Is the Biden Administration Trying to Start an Insurrection?”—
    https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/11/is-the-biden-administration-trying-to-start-an-insurrection/

    Lordy, how does one go about entrapping half the country?

    (Um, er get ready to find out… Prepare yourselves for the most extraordinary example of perverse “Biden”—i.e., Obama—“humor” ever perpetrated by an American president!!)

    File under: Transformational humor!

56. More disrespect: Fox News reports the FBI seized some records covered by attorney-client privilege or executive privilege, and opposed a move to appoint a special master to review seized records.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fbi-seizes-privileged-trump-records-during-raid-doj-opposes-request-independent-review-sources

57. Under the Federal rules of evidence as interpreted by our current Department of Justice Attorney-client privilege is not available to people guilty of mean tweets.

58. Even VDH is saying that the FBI is now so thoroughly corrupt that it has to be disbanded and reformulated.

    In all of the commentary about the FBI and it’s actions there is always the formulaic preface, about how 99% of the people at the FBI are law-abiding, hard-working, straight arrows–faithful to the Rule of Law, to Liberty, to our Constitution, and to our Republic–and it is only a few at the top who are corrupt.

    My question is, if the vast majority of those at the FBI are, indeed, faithful to the Constitution and to our Republic, how is it that there have been no protests in any way, shape, or form by these faithful public servants–no mass resignations that we have heard of, no public protest demonstrations, no avalanche of whistleblowers, not even an anonymous slogan or poster decrying this corruption posted here or there–put up in the dead of night–protesting against the actions of a corrupt FBI, which are eating away at our Laws, at our Constitution, at the Bill of Rights, at our Republic, and our Freedom.

59. Obama is likely the least intelligent president of my lifetime. His writing was incoherent for his law note. He didn’t know how to pronounce “corps” (note — not a slip of the tongue like 57 states). He regularly demonstrated a lack of intelligence when forced to speak without a teleprompter.

    He wasn’t smart enough to be a talented liar. He lied relentlessly, but not adeptly.

    Just not very bright.

60. This morning, the Instapundit quotes Howie Carr on what the FBI has been like for decades in Boston. Michael Barone, when Obama was elected, commented that he was bringing Chicago thug politics to the national stage, but maybe the thugs were already there.

    https://instapundit.com/536930/

61. he spoke the zombie patois (woke is their word) flawlessly, it was his consort, who prefigured this rolling witchhunt, ‘barak will not allow you to be uninvolved, we will have to change our history, our language,’

    interesting perspective from the 70s. victor marchetti, a future whistleblower, wrote a roman a clef, which was kind of a picaresque, the plot is an agency middle rank officer decides to turn to the soviets, ala aldrich ames a decade later, but the joke is on him, it turns out the top agency men, one based on william colby, beat him too it by decades, if there is any antihero in it, is a character based on angleton, me thinks the slapstick portrayal was what angered the agency brass

    another was flowers for mother, by aaron latham, leslie stahls future husband, the antihero there was angleton again, the protagonist is a young agency trainee
    the foil is again colby, who goes by kimball ohara, in this story,

62. This is a must read. Claremont’s Klingenstein gets it. Absolutely nails it. https://townhall.com/columnists/willalexander/2022/08/11/the-republican-status-quo-is-officially-dead-n2611585

    “Make no mistake,” said Klingenstein, “we are in the midst of a cold civil war. You cannot win a war unless you know you are in one. Weak men do anything to avoid admitting the hardest truths because they lack the resolve to do what truth demands from them.”

    Trump supporters are behind him even more because political kleptomaniacs are burning things to the ground, all over America, and no one’s stopping them. All this hoopla about Trump has never been all about Trump – “it’s about the fires, stupid.”

    More than ever, we need strong, courageous Republican leaders. As Klingenstein has said, “Trump was born for the current American crisis.”

63. The tragedy of Obama is that he might have gone down as a unifying president. He might have said, “We know our country has done things with respect to race that we’re not proud of, that weren’t up to the great ideals this country was founded on. I’m proof that we have moved on from that.” And if he had been more centrist than far left, there wouldn’t have been a Trump.

64. Another masterpiece. CS Lewis knew there is evil. So did Ronald Reagan. And Roger Kimball calls out the evil in our current crisis citing Reagan’s quoting of Lewis. https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/13/a-token-of-the-managerial-age-bewails-trumps-surge/

    “the evil he has in mind is “conceived and ordered . . . in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice.” Men, that is to say, like Merrick Garland, a lugubrious embodiment of the “Managerial Age,” the “world of ‘Admin’” that Lewis so abhorred. Here, he suggested, is the home office of Hell, “something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business con­cern.”
    …

    “In an extraordinary column called “Did the FBI just reelect Donald Trump?,” Brooks eloquently dramatizes the anxiety of those “quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails” C. S. Lewis wrote about.

    There are two currents of sentiment running through Brooks’ column. One is a certain obtuse contempt. The other is an imperfectly concealed fear. ”

    Kimball is quite clearly calling out the woke Democrats as evil. He’s right.

65. New hit song (of the Day) Starring James Comey & Hillary Rodham Clinton on one stage together!: At This Point What Difference Does It Make?

66. More like tragi-comedy, I would think.
    (He’s laughing all the way to the bank…!)

    Meanwhile, back in the “Unity” Department—“Biden”‘s “Tragedy”?—it would appear that to be TRULY UNITED, we’re gonna have to find someone to rewrite the Declaration of Independence…(or just cancel it altogether, as was done with its author…):
    “….Professor blocked for tweeting ‘all men are created equal’ “—
    https://www.thecollegefix.com/professor-blocked-for-tweeting-all-men-are-created-equal-files-first-amendment-lawsuit/
    H/T Instapundit.

    (Maybe they’ll get around to it once they pack the Court….)

67. no he couldn’t it wasn’t in his nature, he came to destroy this country, how could he not with marshall davis, bill ayers derrick bell, khalidi and co, as his mentors

68. More tragi-comedy:
    “Democrat House passes $737 billion climate and healthcare package without full CBO score of cost;
    “The CBO confirmed to GOP lawmakers on Friday that $20 billion will be collected under the bill from those earning under $400,000, which Republicans say breaks a key Biden promise”—
    https://justthenews.com/government/congress/democrat-house-passes-climate-and-health-care-package-without-full-cbo

    “…breaks a key Biden promise…”
    Well holy mackerel..imagine that… I, for one, I am just gobsmacked I am…

    Used to be “We have to pass the bill before we can possibly know what’s in it”(!)
    Now, “All we have to do is pass the damn law and ‘interpret’ it any which way we want to”!! (Don’t even have to read it!!)
    IOW, “We can do ANYTHING we want (and don’t have to do nuthin’ we don’t want)…so pound sand SUCKERS!”

    Now , THAT’S PROGRESS!
    (McConnell, take note…)

69. Boy oh boy, is this ever a day for tragi-comedy…
    “IRS Deletes Job Listing After Requiring Agents to Be Able to Kill Americans”—
    https://libertywire.net/irs-deletes-job-listing-after-requiring-agents-to-be-able-to-kill-americans/?utm_source=rss
    – – – – – –
    Oh what the heck, might as well throw this one in, too….
    ‘UN official ousted after voicing criticism of Palestinian Islamic Jihad;
    The head of the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the Palestinian Authority was forced to walk back condemnation of PIJ’s “indiscriminate” rocket attacks.’—
    https://www.jns.org/un-official-ousted-after-voicing-criticism-of-palestinian-islamic-jihad/

    Lost soul obviously doesn’t know whom she’s working for…

70. When Schumer said:
    “Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

    He forgot to add:
    “And I’m one of them!”

71. like victor kiam, yes she doesn’t get that jihad is the point of the exercise,

72. Greg ( 10:45) your right could have, but I am convinced Barky was brought up a Marxist and knew his job was to be divisive and start race wars not stop them.

73. I’ll reiterate Stan at 10:56 AM:
    https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/13/a-token-of-the-managerial-age-bewails-trumps-surge/

    Gourmet sandwich guru and ardent appreciator of the crease in Obama’s pants
    (Yes, I’m talking about David Brooks) is jittery about the USA’s Stasi raid on Mar-a-Lago. He fears it will HELP Trump! Pop some Xanax David!

74. meanwhile

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taiwanese-officials-trounce-pelosi-after-sons-huge-holdings-china-tech-exposed

75. Skip, your comment to Greg about Barry is spot on! I often ask myself why it seems we know so many men famous for hurting humanity, compared to the number famous for helping it?!

76. Obama wasn’t going to unite the country. Not because he was a radical or a Marxist, but because uniting his party against the other party — which meant dividing the country — got his party off his back and bolstered the support he got from his half of the electorate.

77. well he is both, and bidens appointees prove it

    https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/the-mar-a-lago-brouhaha

78. I see talk of “Hearings” about the Mar a Lago raid and other things if the Republicans retake the House.

    Unfortunately, Hearings don’t mean a damn thing if there are no serious consequences for not showing up, for evasive answers, for very artful answers which don’t answer the question, for lying, for claiming ignorance i.e. “I don’t know anything about that,” “I don’t remember,” “I don’t have any specific memory of that,” or for just ducking out of the Hearing after evasively answering just a few questions–see FBI Director Wrey’s ducking out of his questioning at a recent Hearing, saying that “he had to catch a plane”–which turned out to be a government plane taking him on his vacation.

    Unless Republican members of Congress and Congressional Committees become deadly serious, put courtesy and politeness aside, and relentlessly pursue answers and refuse to be stonewalled.

    Unless those who do try these obfuscatory tactics face real and immediate consequences–immediate jailing for Contempt of Congress, demotions, firings, and loss of jobs and pensions–such Hearings are just a waste of time.

79. Both Hillary and Trump were accused of violating “793” of the Espionage Act.

    FBI Director Comey said Hillary could not be prosecuted because it was not intentional (a patent lie). And the AG was silent, having met with Bill!

    AG Garland says Trump CAN be prosecuted for the same violation despite the fact that he had the authority to declassify. Wray had gone on vacation.

    This is a pretty simple contradiction. Sure, there are “yeah, buts” about Trump’s authority, but they do not even approach the utter fabrications of Hillary’s government-approved defense!

    This is what we mean when we talk about two tiers of justice!!

80. remember that python sketch about the ‘never pay insurance’https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/janet-yellen-irs-inflation-reduction-act/2022/08/13/id/1082993/

81. “. . . someday [the Democrats] will again control all branches of government, and after that it will be the boot stamping on a human face forever.” bof

    They imagine that they will never be held to account. Yet their policies in pursuit of an impossible to achieve agenda, guarantee a terrible reckoning.

    The stupidity of intellectual arrogance and assumption of a moral superiority answerable only to itself is their fatal flaw, just as it was with France’s ‘nobility’ and revolutionaries. The same fate awaits them.

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83. They believe that all Republican presidents are illegitimate.

84. Obama was a true leftist.

    Not to the point he would sacrifice his comfort, as his Weather Underground mentors Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn did, but in terms of strategy and tactics, Obama was a leftist.

    Once I saw Ayers and Rev. Wright on Obama’s resume I knew who Obama was. It was never a possibility he would unify the country.

    I was surprised he didn’t occasionally feint to the center to be more effective. I believe he would have been even more dangerous then. But in his terms, not going full-bore for socialized medicine immediately was his idea of feinting to the center.

    These days true-blue leftist activists decry Obama’s “moderation.” They see that as a lost opportunity, which allowed the reviled Trump an opening to set their plans for utopia back four years or more. This is a mistake today’s Dem base won’t make again.

    As the radical French “68ers” (1968) sloganed it:
    ___________________________________

    Be realistic — demand the impossible!
    ___________________________________

    I don’t believe the Democrat High Command — Biden, Pelosi, Shumer, et al. — are true leftists. I consider them deeply cynical political opportunists. They could just as easily have been anticommunist hatchetmen for Joe McCarthy in another time and place.

    These Democrats are riding the tiger of the revolution. They aren’t in control. It’s not going well, but they are desperate and keep doubling down to please their base and hoping it will all work out.

85. he was as left as the times allowed him to be, as he told his true believers, he could not confiscate guns, bring single payer, to the forefront, but his heart was in it, you can see all the personnel, who buried themselves in the bureaucracy, like the german werewolves, who nest in the groves of academia, and they all act in unison, the so called antifa, the shocktroops of the army that ravaged this country for at least a year,

86. Enough of trying to redeme the good intentioned “mistakes” of the young leftists of the last century, or discern BHO’s and his minion’s motives, for we have known since 2016 “What difference at this point on time does it make?”

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/security-and-double-standards.php

87. Trump was surrounded by many jealous and corrupt people typical of the W DC corruptocracyThe msm are DEAD, totally discredited.
    The institutions are led by inept, corrupt and deceitful people. Many do NOT have the best interest of the country in heart. Plenty of selfishness.

88. These Democrats are riding the tiger of the revolution. They aren’t in control. It’s not going well, but they are desperate and keep doubling down to please their base and hoping it will all work out.

    I agree with this and the grifters should remember the fate of the Girondins. The radical left will turn on these rich dishonest politicians like Robespierre sent those he considered less virtuous to the Guillotine. God help us if they ever get real power.

89. are they dead, no just pining for the fjords, they have less purchase in red states, but still in blue enclaves which comprise the largest cities, palm beach is certainly the latter berg,

90. well we have seen courthouses mortared ‘not for a day a month or even a year’ in places like portland in minneapolis, they still have not rebuilt the 3rd precinct, Los Angeles is some blend of Day of the Locust, and Wild in the Streets, very close to the world of strange days, Garcon’s reckoning is coming up, i’m not entirely sanguine, about that, even in red states like alaska, they are gambling with ranked choice voting, a moose in a poke,

91. The Democrat party has become totally corrupt, anti-constitution, anti-America, and moving to the extreme left. They have weaponized the 3-letter government agencies and they have demonstrated time and again that laws are for conservatives, not them. Every single member of that party makes them stronger so the solution is not voting for another Democrat at any level of government. Even if you agree with a Democrat’s position or policies do not vote for them until their party stops its insane extreme leftist movement and starts obeying the constitution, local laws, and returns closer to the center. You have the power to take them out with your vote.

92. whose side are they on, that’s not even a question,

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2022/08/biden-administration-stonewalls-inspector-general-on-afghanistan-on-terror-cash

93. They cannot, not arrest him now, here is what I wrote hours before the raid.

    “My money is mid October they will trigger their plan to indict and arrest president Trump and multiple Republican congressmen to stop the GOP from getting the majority in the house and senate. They know they can’t steal the election using the tactics of 2020. Nancy piglosi stated the other day that the commiecrats will keep the majority, this is why she backed off on her plan to retire after the midterms, she knows what is coming.”

    They have to arrest him in order to save face but also because it is part and parcel of their plan. Here is what I also wrote in reply to an MTG social media post about their plan, this all segways into the January 6th show.

    ““But change is coming in the 118th Congress”. Nope this is not what is happening, conspiracy theory incoming. Right now using the 2020 election alternate electors and January 6th as the pre-text the DOJ is confiscating multiple GOP congressman’s cell phones and are also going thru all their electronic records on their computer’s. This is part of their plan to steal the midterms and keep their majority in the house and senate. You see they know they won’t be able to pull off the same massive fraud they did in 2020, so their plan is to use lawfare. Next month or in mid October they are going to announce the indictment and arrest of President Trump and multiple GOP congressmen and senators, they only need to keep about six seats to maintain their majority. With 51 commiecrat senators and a majority in the house they can institute packing the Supreme Court, codifying the election fraud and ending the right to keep and bear arms and all their other communist dreams. This is the exact same plan that the leader of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi) party used to gain ultimate power, that leader was Hitler and the parallels with what happened then with what is going on now are frightening. Look it up, look up the Reichstag fire.”

    Does anybody believe the AG and DOJ can’t get an indictment and conviction in the corrupt DC court system? We have crossed the Rubicon and are now in the period that Ayn Rand called ” the rule by brute force”, she said we are approaching it, we have actually now entered it.

    “We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.” -Ayn Rand on Rule by Brute Force

    Get ready people it is coming.

94. Excellent thoughts Mike K, but there’s no way in hell the folks who’ve been swept up in this nonsense have a clue about the French Revolution, much less who the Girondin were. If they were that well educated then, well, they wouldn’t have gotten caught up in this nonsense.

95. they have purging the ranks to allow for more of ocasio cortez justice democrats, they have been 50% successful in those venues, more at the local level, then national politics,

96. Yes, it’s exactly as described by Neo. But it was already so when the Tea Party was unfailingly depicted as a dangerous group of idiots, while the Occupy movement was exalted notwithstanding the mayhem, dead people included.
    And you know many, many similar cases.
    It’s a patent refusal by the ruling class to concede legitimacy to half of your country.
    It’s an escalation of authoritarianism, more and more openly. Trudeau is acting the same way in Canada.

97. Ok, it’s payback Time . We charge Obama, Soros, And their Administrations with TREASON . We have proof, they don’t. Get busy Please

98. if, you agree please copy and paste everywhere you can

99. I’m struck by how people assume that the politicians on their own side are weak-kneed, spineless sellouts and those on the other side are steely, determined, uncompromising ideologues. Some politicians start out as dogmatic and doctrinaire, but most are creatures of circumstance and opportunity. Europeans are more familiar than we are with politicians who come from the hard left becoming more moderate as they climb the ladder. Are they what they said in the past? Or are they what they did when they were in office?

    For a lot of people, it can’t be Joe Biden who’s the radical, it has to be the foreign guy with the foreign name, and maybe foreign birth and religion who’s Mephistopheles. Biden isn’t a true radical or leftist, but his people see the opportunities open to them and he’s not in any condition to disagree. Obama, by contrast thought that he was himself the hope and change that his side was waiting for. Nobody pushed him to go further. After the Republicans won back Congress there wasn’t any opportunity for him to do so, and he really didn’t feel the need to try. Yes, he pushed for what he could for his side, but he wasn’t the steely-eyed, America-hating, Marxist fanatic he’s been portrayed as being. But I understand. Trump isn’t what his opponents say he is, but everybody’s on one side or another, and have to think the worst of politicians on the other side.

100. Obama claimed to be a Marxist revolutionary in college. He later described himself as a radical when he was in NY and said he spent all his time with fellow radicals. His closest advisors had family ties with hardcore left-wing radicals.

     Weather Underground leaders, Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were his mentors and financial benefactors in Chicago. Ayers ghost wrote his book that was the source of substantial income. Dohrn’s firm hired his wife. Ayers and Dohrn hosted his first political fundraiser at their home. Ayers was responsible for his appointment as head of the Annenberg Challenge. And Ayers introduced him to many of the radicals and terrorists that Obama admits were friends of his.

     His extremely close ties with these America-hating terror bombers should be enough to convince anyone that he’s a radical from the far left. That and his voting record and his secret back door deals to give Iran nukes.

101. Davis, a close male friend of his mother whom he called “Pop” and wrote poems to was a member of the Communist party who actively worked with party leadership to spread Soviet propaganda.

102. We were within 50, 000 voted of that down low methhead as governor the dems put up.

     Remember that DeSantis won by backing school vouchers. Black mothers voted for him on that basis. He could use that for a national campaign and destroy the teachers’ unions. The opposition to vouchers was white suburban wine moms when it was on the ballot in California 20 years ago. I think many of them have changed their minds about public schools since then.

103. Worthy of note:

     One of the side effects (purposes?) of the raid was to enfeeble the Trump RICO case against Hillary Clinton et al.

     RTWT. Pull quote:

     “If nothing else, the raid on Mar-a-Lago will probably succeed in getting material Trump may have hoped to bring in evidence to the RICO suit stamped all over with ‘pending federal case.'”

     https://theoptimisticconservative.wordpress.com/2022/08/13/two-pings-on-the-fbi-raid-on-mar-a-lago-classification-kerfuffle-and-trumps-rico-suit/

104. Here’s another angle, which might be related to JohnK’s link.
     _________________________

     Justice Department officials appear to be maneuvering to block the disclosure of documents from the so-called “Russiagate” controversy, according to a top Pentagon official from the Trump administration.

     Kash Patel appeared on Fox News on Sunday and defended former President Donald Trump’s claims that he issued sweeping declassification orders of documents after the FBI raided his Mar-a-Lago resort and seized more than a dozen boxes of materials in an investigation that could have national security implications.

     Patel, who was chief of staff to acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and held other high-ranking positions in the Trump administration, said Trump named him his representative to the National Archives, and they have been locked in a “bureaucratic battle” over documents that were taken to his Florida club.

     Because there appears to be an “ongoing” counterintelligence investigation, he argued, “you will never be allowed to see the Russiagate docs or any other docs that President Trump lawfully declassified, and they will hide it from the public,” Patel told Sunday Morning Futures host Maria Bartiromo. Patel was being interviewed along with Devin Nunes, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who is now the CEO of Trump’s social media company.

     https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-records-negotiator-warns-russigate-cover-up

105. Fwiw
     https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11111169/Trump-gets-10-point-bump-GOP-Mar-Lago-raid-30-40-point-lead-DeSantis.html

106. Victor Davis Hanson is a cool head with a *long* historical perspective. However, even he is now calling for…
     _______________________

     And finally, I never thought I would say this. The FBI is beyond redemption.

     All of its bureaus and institutions have to be farmed out and broken up. If you have a warrant, an FBI warrant, there’s no guarantee that that has not been altered If you subpoena, and you want FBI records on phones with Mueller, they will be wiped clean.

     https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/08/14/victor_davis_hanson_democrats_and_the_media_are_destroying_the_rule_of_law_in_america.html

107. If Trump is the only one with a chance to drain the swamp, then we are well and truly hosed, because in four years he never showed any real interest in doing so. Two closed regulations for each added new one is a nice gesture, and might be enough if you had a hundred years, but it’s nothing like what is really necessary.

     Understand that I am a happy Trump voter and am tickled pink by our new originalist Court. But if draining the swamp is what you want, I don’t think Trump is your man. I’m not sure who is.

108. Doctor Mist:

     My impression is that Trump learns and changes. I’d say he’s learned a thing or two about the Swamp since his first term. (So have I.)

     Plus … “This Time It’s Personal.”

     I’d say he’s the best person to drain the Swamp starting in 2024.

109. Andy McCarthy still maintains the MAL raid is looking for J6 dirt, and it’s not about classified documents.
     He does raise the issue that the President doesn’t have to do much to declassify a document, though the limits have never been litigated, though he thinks the powers are pretty sweeping.
     So everything that’s going on is just optics to justify the raid and continue the “Trump is a Russian lacky” (with a Saudi twist).

     https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/08/andrew-mccarthy-comments.php

     McCarthy doesn’t mention it but others have mention both Bush the Younger and Obama issued EO’s basically saying that the President and VP are exempt from following the regular procedures for declassification.

     “Obama’s executive order no. 13526, issued in 2009, laid out the stringent process all federal officials and agencies needed to follow for declassification, but explicitly exempted the sitting president and vice president from having to follow those procedures.”

     https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/all-things-trump/breaking-trump-describes-process-how-he-declassified-documents

     Ran across an interview with John Solomon just after the J6 protests and the subject of the Crossfire Hurricane documents came up. He said back then he was expecting the documents which Trump had declassified to be released shortly (January, 2021).
     Still waiting. Both Senator’s Grassley and Johnson have sent letters to DOJ demanding there release recently.
     Solomon also said that it was Fiona Hill that introduced Christopher Steele to the source of all the fake Russian dirt back in 2008/9. Small world. According to Solomon, the source was considered a Russian agent by some in counterintelligence at the time. That’s the kind of information he expected to be learned when the documents were released.

110. Yes a russian asset caused all this unpleasantness

111. No, Hillary and the DNC caused all this unpleasantness.

112. Hill and Danchenko both worked at the Brookings Institution.

     A cesspit of intrigue and lies under the guise of seriousness and respectability.

113. As if there’s not enough BS out there….
     “Ray Epps Told FBI He Expected Bomb Attack Near The Capitol On January 6, Documents Show”—
     https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ray-epps-told-fbi-he-expected-bomb-attack-near-capitol-january-6-documents-show

     Gosh, he must be psychic!

     (Wonder if Epps is getting a bit nervous. One would think he’d be doing his best to stay OUT of the news cycle…)
     – – – – – – –
     And from the “HEH!” Files (Sub-section “Pelosi”):
     “Taiwanese Officials Trounce Pelosi After Son’s Huge Holdings In China Tech Exposed”—
     https://www.zerohedge.com/political/taiwanese-officials-trounce-pelosi-after-sons-huge-holdings-china-tech-exposed
     Key phrase:
     “… raising questions about his secretive visit to Taiwan with his mother….”

     Accompanying Dear Mother! Such loyalty! Love! Devotion! (Almost, but not quite—though that remains to be seen—Hunter-level…)

114. WHAT IS TO BE DONE? WHAT ARE WE TO DO? This query was trenchantly mooted here in the shortest first post, in reply to neo’s starting thoughts, by Brian E at the top..

     In the middle of this 112 post thread, huxley LINKS to Athena Thornes prep talk published at PJmedia, late Saturday night. Her realism provoked solid discussion over at Instapundit the next day, Sunday. Allow me to perhaps finish this thread by a lengthy reprisal of both her argument and the discussion thus provoked.

     My initial conclusion is this: we may have election in November with armed militia’s standing somewhere nearby, too. Something that was unthinkable the last national election.

     My second conclusion is that we must vent our seething anger MORE at vacuous nudities in the GOP like Senator Turtlehead, who asked about recent events deflected about floods in KY, thusly, than anyone else:
     “We’ve tried the speakers box, the ballot box, the jury box, yet We Are Still persecuted and unheard.

     THAT FINAL BOX, the ammo box, IS SURE LOOKING FRIENDLIER AND KINDER AND MORE AND MORE CONCERNED AND TRUSTY TO OUR FATES THAN YOU #&@#-Heads ARE!”

     PLEASE add your disagreements or digressions below. Meanwhile. Here goes.

     ***Civil War Talk intensifies after FIB Raid on Trump***

     Athen Thorne, Saturday night at pjmedia: “Yes, They’re Going to Arrest Donald Trump. Deal With It.”

     https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/athena-thorne/2022/08/13/yes-theyre-going-to-arrest-donald-trump-deal-with-it-n1620780

     If you haven’t yet come to terms with the fact that vile, power-abusing, Left-wing goblins are going to arrest former President Donald Trump, you’ve got your head in the sand. These people are unprincipled cage-fighters animated by their seething lust to destroy Orange Man Bad. Our upper echelon law enforcement has been transformed into an iron fist, and we’ve taken unprecedented blow after unprecedented blow for years now — presidential candidate Trump wiretapped, the Russia Hoax, two impeachments on the flimsiest of grounds, FBI raids of conservative journalists and political enemies (especially those in Trump’s orbit, including his attorneys Michael Cohen and Rudy Giuliani), and most recently, the reprehensible raid of the Trump family’s beloved home. Why on earth would you think these people will stop there?

     And because it’s unimaginable to conservatives to politicize and weaponize the DOJ and FBI to this extent, we’ve been caught flat-footed every time the establishment demolishes yet another norm of American civility.

     Did you think partisan Leftists are conducting all these endless trumped-up malicious prosecutions for fun? While that is undoubtedly part of it, there is now an all-out race to be the Historic™ first prosecutor to hack off a presidential scalp. The mad dash is on! Who will take that victory lap? Who will be the champion to bring the Party the coveted optics of a Trumpian perp walk and mugshot? Who will be the toast of the elite, with access-for-life to the best parties, jaunts, and boondoggles? Who will rake in all those fat book, Netflix, academic, and corporate appearance deals? Whose name will make it into the history books?

     Attorney General Merrick Garland is in a strong position with his latest Mar-a-Lago panty raid tranche. But then again, New York AG Letitia James, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg, and Fulton County, Ga., DA Fani Willis all have a solid start with their own trumped-up investigations. Either way, make no mistake: every one of these hacks is gunning for Trump’s head.

     What has always been unimaginable in the United States is now pretty much guaranteed: Yes, there will be an indictment of a former president. Leftists are saying it out loud now. Obama wingman and former weaponized AG Eric Holder said as much on Thursday, in an interview with Joe Madison on SiriusXM:

     HOLDER-“My guess is that by the end of this process, you’re going to see indictments involving high-level people in the White House, you’re going to see indictments against people outside the White House [eg, Law School Prof. John Eastman] who were advising them with regard to the attempt to steal the election, and I think ultimately you’re probably going to see the President, former President of the United States [Trump] indicted as well.”

     So, yes, sooner or later, someone will get a grand jury or a judge to indict Donald Trump for something or other. Remember — they impeached him twice. Impeachment is a Congressional indictment, so this isn’t exactly a new concept to the Left. Once Trump is indicted, why would they stop there? The next step is to swear out an arrest warrant. At the very least, the former president will need to turn himself in, which will produce the coveted mugshot. Or, if someone especially vindictive gets there first, expect a full-on perp walk arrest. There’s no reason to think the FBI’s needless public arrest of former Trump advisor Peter Navarro was a one-off exercise.

     We have to accept the probability and be ready for it when it happens.

     If and when Leftist goblins arrest former president Trump, here’s the first thing to which we must all commit…[NO VIOLENCE!…Ya Da, Ya Da, Ya Da].

     DISCUSSION OF THE ABOVE AT Instapundit,
     https://instapundit.com/536985/
     My CONDENSED VERSION:

     Johnny_Layabout • 10 hours ago ?You’re kidding yourself if you think it [Trump arrested, put on trial] won’t happen. Sure, the charges ultimately won’t stick, but the process might take years to work out. The point will not be conviction, but the election of Democrats (see Ted Stevens and Bob McDonnell for recent examples of Republicans whose convictions were ultimately overthrown, but were succeeded in office by Democrats).

     ?What will stop them? Honor and decency? Hah. Do you think a Washington, D.C. grand jury will hesitate to indict Trump for anything the prosecutor asks? If there is a single member who isn’t a rabid Trump-hater, I’d be surprised. So, yes, it will happen, so Trump & co. better have a plan for when it does happen and be ready, and I suspect they do. I also believe that Garland will wait until Trump has locked up the nomination to drop the bomb, to attempt to maximize political benefit for the Democrats.

     * ??Peter Hanely to Johnny_Layabout • 8 hours ago ?We are uncomfortably close to the point of hunting election cheats and thieving revenue.

     ??George Scoresby • 10 hours ago ?Really dumb post [by Athena]. The confused writer’s conclusion, should Trump be arrested, is to do nothing. Let the legal system see it through. Trump can still run.?Dumb because if Trump is arrested then the legal system will make sure he can’t run in 2024. And dumb because the provocation of such an arrest will make political civility impossible. Writing such drivel may even encourage the Dems to take such a disastrous step.

     * ??Peter Hanely to George Scoresby • 8 hours ago ?Legally, they can’t stop Trump from running. But if they’re willing to arrest and prosecute based on a lie, and I believe they are [AGREED], they won’t let the law stand in their way of keeping him off the ballot or otherwise stealing the election.

     I welcome our Orange Overlord • 10 hours ago
     That [Athena’s… or Peter’s?] is one possible endgame because they hell bent on preventing him from becoming POTUS once again. He will be hounded unto death and beyond to make sure no one ever challenges them again. But to do so guarantees a hot civil war because like the late Roman Republic it would be dangerous to ever surrender power once attained.

     ??Peter Hanely to I welcome our Orange Overlord • 8 hours ago ?That is the deal with democracy: those in power risk removal, but so long as they submit to the election they retain their rights as Citizens. Where a deposed tyrant faces exile, prison, or death. The democrat Junta has chosen the latter path.

     Democrats placed themselves above the Constitution.

     ?ontoiran Thresherman • 7 hours ago ?when has muh constitution stopped them from doing anything?

     ??Peter Hanely to Thresherman • 7 hours ago ?The Constitution won’t stop them. Citizens standing up for the Constitution should.

115. Barry Maiskin ABOVE observes DC corruption too kindly:
     “Hill and Danchenko both worked at the Brookings Institution.
     A cesspit of intrigue and lies under the guise of seriousness and respectability.”

     No. IT’S much worse and far more sinister than that!

     Vert recently, I came across a list of Federal employee political contributions by party, a top ten list by Department.

     The median political contribution to Dems was over 95%. Top was 99%, and only one Department — Agriculture — fell below 90%! 89 point something percent.

     THAT’S our enemy, that’s Trump’s enemy.

     In other words, the DC Federal government is just as out of touch with American citizens as the various and sundry campi are. GIVEN THAT WALL, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

116. Today was supposed to be deadline for the warrent to be revealed but betting its a nothingburger, they will claim its top secret and important to the investigation

117. John Ratcliffe:
     “Former National Intelligence Director: Trump Has ‘Ultimate Declassification
     Authority’ “—
     https://www.zerohedge.com/political/former-national-intelligence-director-trump-has-ultimate-declassification-authority
     Key grafs:
     ‘A former director of national intelligence said Aug. 12 that it is “virtually impossible” to prosecute people for mishandling classified documents, and asserted that former President Donald Trump has the “ultimately declassification authority” in terms of such documents….
     ‘…“He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken into the residence were deemed to be declassified,” a Trump spokesperson told Just the News. “The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the President of the United States. The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat, with classification authority delegated BY THE PRESIDENT, needs to approve of declassification is absurd.”…’ [Emphasis mine; Barry M.]

     And so…looking more and more like it WAS all about the panties.
     (Either that or just another decisive step in the Democratic Party’s gradual grand plan to take Trump—and any other PERCEIVED, or DEFINED THREAT—“out of circulation”.)

118. If our federal politicians were worth anything, the events of the last 7 years should have been sufficient for a death warrant on the FBI. Our politicians aren’t worth anything.

119. RE: My comment about Hearings yesterday at 1:18 P.M.

     Thinking a little bit more about this issue, it may be that the most effective way to force Federal employee witnesses to testify–is not to threaten to, but to actually make–immediate and drastic cuts to the part of the organization that they work for, or their entire organization’s budget, or to even abolish their organizations entirely, if they don’t answer honestly and fully.

     This change in tactics would, I’d imagine, require the cooperation of the budget committees, and the backing of majorities in both the House and Senate.

120. “PREPARE FOR PANDEMIC II.” This is the message I’m sending out.

     This is the code phrase I’m advising family and friends to use while they quietly prepare for the possibility of uncivil action. If it comes, it’s likely to pass swiftly in weeks. But what if it doesn’t? What then?

     What if ATMs no longer work? What if whatever leadership is pre-occupied by threats and riots and disturbances within?

     China cannot invade Taiwan easily — and not at all if the US defends her. But will a ‘leadership’ preoccupied with self-survival care or have time? What if Xi decides that the US is too weak to defend her and this moment coming soon is his one chance to seize the island? What then happens to the US supply chain? And essential meds disappear?

     FOR THE US, IT WILL BE LIKE PANDEMIC II.

     Time to quietly stock up on water and food and firearms and anything else essential for months survival.

     The World is disturbed by what’s happened this past week. I am both outraged, angry and fearful. (And I’m South of the border, not even in the US, myself.)

     How to reach those indoctrinated by the state fascist propaganda? Still in denial of any Rubicon’s crossed? What I posted above is one thing I will share.

     Another is Victor David Hanson. Legal Insurrection has a post sir discussion.

     But VDHs original 5m monologue on Tucker with Will Cain sitting in as host is better. And MRC provides a near transcription.

     https://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/victor-hanson-we-dont-have-rule-law-washington-fbi-beyond-redemption

     THIS is his devastating account — and even though I’ve been preparing for these times since the first Marxist President was re-elected — and the first Hate America First President, too, was re-elected — almost ten years ago, I’m still in pain and agony at this grim realisation.

     I’m still in re-current disbelief. But what’s happened is real.

     “We no longer live in a democracy.”
     “There is no more rule of law in Washington,” DC.
     “The FBI must be abolished.”

     —THANK YOU, Victor.
     It is still like shock therapy to hear this.
     And if I need to confront theses dark ugly Truths, what about everybody else?

121. Thinking a little bit more about this issue, it may be that the most effective way to force Federal employee witnesses to testify–is not to threaten to, but to actually make–immediate and drastic cuts to the part of the organization that they work for, or their entire organization’s budget, or to even abolish their organizations entirely, if they don’t answer honestly and fully.

     The most effective way is to make it the law that a contempt citation costs you x% of your pension. Another more effective way would be to allow Congress to appoint a special counsel to prosecute federal officials for contempt, though that’s a sword that might cut both ways.

122. Well said !!

123. To repeat myself yet again;

     Trump will never be “allowed” to become president.

     If need be, he will be “taken out,” existentially speaking.

     Speaking of the Rosenbergs: the left at that time was proclaiming their innocence and I would not be surprised if they still do.
     The fact that they spied for Joseph Stalin – a tyrant who murdered upwards of 50 million people – tells you how leftists / progressives think.
     There is no price too costly, too painful, too horrible that can be allowed to stand in the way of them imposing the “heaven on earth,” utopian worker’s paradise upon the unwashed masses.

124. Speaking of the Rosenbergs: the left at that time was proclaiming their innocence and I would not be surprised if they still do.

     The Rosenberg case buffs gave up on their innocence some time ago, including Walter and Miriam Schneir, their chief defenders for decades. Morton Sobell eventually admitted his guilt publicly. I think even their sons have changed tacks in defending them.

     There was as of 15 years ago a surviving corps of Alger Hiss defenders arrayed around Victor Navasky and Tony Hiss, the traitor’s son. Not many and I’m not sure they’re still attempting to peddle the idea. Their last gambit was propagating the notion that the figure referred to in the Venona transcripts was actually Wilder Foote (d. 1961), a public relations officer associated with the Department of State and the United Nations. Foote’s family was most displeased at this nonsense. Note, Foote during the 1930s was employed by a succession of newspapers in Vermont and spent the last phase of his working life supervising the printing and distribution of UN publications. Deeeep Cover, I suppose.

125. A funny montage showed up yesterday showing all of the MSM talking heads spouting the Party Line, and denying that the Raid–at least 30 vehicles full of FBI agents, the agents pictured were apparently armed with automatic weapons, and one commenter mentioning that there were even boats stationed in the water adjacent to Mar a Lago, and likely helicopters flying above–was actually a “raid.”

126. RE: Political/Intimidation Raids–

     Forcing those Federal employees ordering and conducting such an unnecessary Political/Intimidation raid to pay the entire cost of such a raid out of their own paychecks and other assets would, I’d imagine, cut the number of such raids rather dramatically .

127. Given today’s education, I wonder how many young leftists have even heard of the Rosenbergs.

     I recall a blog comment somewhere mentioning that in high school they spent six weeks on the sixties and three days on WW II.

     Then there was a recent story which explained why schools aren’t teaching kids to read with the superior phonics method anymore.
     __________________________________________

     As a teacher in Oakland, Calif., Kareem Weaver helped struggling fourth- and fifth-grade kids learn to read by using a very structured, phonics-based reading curriculum called Open Court. It worked for the students, but not so much for the teachers.“ For seven years in a row, Oakland was the fastest-gaining urban district in California for reading,” recalls Weaver. “And we hated it.”

     The teachers felt like curriculum robots—and pushed back. “This seems dehumanizing, this is colonizing, this is the man telling us what to do,” says Weaver, describing their response to the approach. “So we fought tooth and nail as a teacher group to throw that out.” It was replaced in 2015 by a curriculum that emphasized rich literary experiences. “Those who wanted to fight for social justice, they figured that this new progressive way of teaching reading was the way,” he says.

     https://time.com/6205084/phonics-science-of-reading-teachers/
     __________________________________________

     Rich literary experiences, indeed.

     Phonics worked for the kids but not for the social justice teachers. There’s another institution which needs a near-death experience to be reminded its charter mission is to teach children basic knowledge and skills, not indoctrinate them to be leftist activists.

128. The Federalist, Margot Cleveland, 8/15/22: Records Suggest A Backbench Bureaucrat’s Partisan Grievance Spurred The FBI’s Nakedly Political Raid On Trump

     Last week’s raid on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home represented the culmination of a criminal investigation pushed by a partisan bureaucrat who called January 6, 2021, the “absolute worst” day of his life. And while since last Monday, the country has focused on the FBI’s raid of Trump’s personal residence, seeing that as the crossing of the Rubicon, the die was cast this spring when the DOJ went to the grand jury about Trump’s presidential records.

     Reporting by the New York Times and Washington Post — some from months ago — when pieced together and considered in tandem with past practices related to presidential and other governmental records, reveals this reality. The relevant reporting started no later than February of this year, when the Washington Post broke the news that the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) confirmed in a statement, issued by the then-archivist of the United States David S. Ferriero, that in January of 2022 NARA had retrieved from Mar-a-Lago 15 boxes of presidential records, which according to sources included items such as mementos, gifts, and letters. NARA added that Trump representatives were “continuing to search” for additional records.

     https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/15/from-bureaucrat-hack-to-grand-jury-witch-hunt-the-dojs-trump-raid-smells-like-spygate/

129. Art Deco:

     A lot of them haven’t given up the innocence of Ethel, and also that they should not have been executed, especially Ethel.

130. sdferr, I find this quote in the article particularly ironic;

     Ferriero said he recalled watching “this angry mob … really angry, angry people” and thinking to himself, “if these people realize what’s in this building they’re passing, we’re at risk here.”

     Those angry people were angry, because they do realize the significance of what is in the National Archives – and how the ideas embodied in the documents contained therein were being ignored, when not outright violated, by those rushing to certify the election on 06 January 2021.

     These angry folks have far more respect for the contents of the Archives, than those elected to govern in accordance with those contents.

     Methinks that Mr. Ferriero is treating the contents as the talismans of cargo-cult worship, the way the Yangs treated the Constitution in the Star Trek TOS episode “The Omega Glory” … revere the documents, as they ignore their meaning.

131. A lot of them haven’t given up the innocence of Ethel, and also that they should not have been executed, especially Ethel.

     Good point. There actually is reason to believe that Ethel was not guilty as a matter of law, or at least not guilty of the offense with which she was charged. Ronald Radosh, Joyce Milton, and Sol Stern have for decades offered variations of that thesis. For the Schneirs, David Dellinger, Bonnie Brower, and others, that notion was anathema because it incorporated an acknowledgement of the guilt of her husband.

     Somehow Gen. Eisenhower got the idea in his head that Ethel was the primary instigator of Julius’ activities, so he declined to commute her sentence. I think there is evidence that the FBI lied to the President, but he should have seen through that.

132. I asked the question. What to do?

     The colleges are lost at this point. We need to prevent further decay of education by getting involved at the local school board level. Run for positions on the school board. Attend meetings. Be polite, even when evil ideas are being pushed.

     Push for more vocational programs. Make the case that everyone isn’t suited/doesn’t need a four-year degree to make a good life.

     Home school. A Beka, a company that makes curriculum for Christian schools also offers curriculum for home schoolers and on-line classes. Parents need to form home school options like daycare, but with the purpose of individualized instruction. There are Christian schools using ACE, Accelerated Christian Education materials, that are quite affordable. There is no reason the same solution couldn’t be applied to a more secular education– based on a traditional patriotic format.

     JJ @5:53 pm Aug 13 has good suggestions.

     Push for candidates that fully support America First principles. When you can’t get those folks elected, support the most conservative candidate running.

     I expressed reservations about DeSantis, based on what is unkown about his positions, but I was surprised at the reaction at TCT. The election for President is a lifetime in political years. We need to get conservative candidates elected this fall. That includes every candidate the President endorsed, and every Republican candidate in every other election. The Republican party must retake the house and senate this fall. Without that, the Democrats will continue their scorched America policy.

     I wince every time I hear talk of some sort of armed rebellion. Anyone that suggests that hasn’t been paying attention the last year and a half. I remember the same talk after the 2020 election. Civil War talk. That is rubbish.

     But there are ways to push back, and we’re seeing the path. Conservative states need to make self-defense pacts with each other. The blue west coast states did just that during the 2020 election.

     We’re seeing Hispanic communities recognizing they have more in common with conservative values than the insanity exposed by the left. We need to be the party of common sense.

     Everything is about persuasion.

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134. POTUS45 DJT has obviously been and always will be a colossal threat to all those amoral elitists who loathe and despise him. And why? Because of his keen perception and willingness to actually bother to listen to all the voters out there who have been long ignored, used, bilked, conned, perpetually lied to and taken for granted by the same elitists contempt for decades.

     But perhaps more than that, these evil and conniving elitists are definitely beyond terrified of what DJT would do in a second term if he was to yank the curtain back to finally expose their treasonous high crimes and run them out with many bound for prison or even execution no doubt. Nevertheless, the ill fated strategy to endlessly and relentlessly harass, demean, embarrass, persecute and prosecute him however possible actually achieves the opposite affect with the general public who are increasingly fed up with the incessant political BS. They’re saturation point and disgust has pinnacled. Meanwhile the economy and their country are in total free fall to a disaster. Bottom line, no one likes bullies, heavy-handedness or an imbalanced and perverse injustice no matter who’s doing it. Especially by an increasingly corrupt and dishonest government who’ll eventually mistreat and bulldoze them or anyone else the same way.

     The elitist progressive left tend to always overplay their hand, yet are baffled when it backfires. They never know when to stop. As outrageous as their twisted witch hunt against DJT has become, it has only served to intensify and propel his immense popularity and probable path to the WH again anyways. One must admit that ironic reality is certainly gratifying.

135. Brian E: regarding your excellent question at the top of this thread, here’s the answer I gave on this forum on November 8, 2020:

     https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/07/fire-and-ice-on-the-enthusiasm-gap/#comment-2523839

     Specifically, and to your point about states making self-defense pacts with each other:

     “The question now for us seventy-something million is, How best to resist and make clear that we are withholding our consent? Trump is an obvious rallying point for the resistance, so we can expect multiple indictments to be filed against him and key members of his entourage at 12:01 PM Eastern Time on January 20, 2021. With a few honorable exceptions (e.g. Nunes, Hawley, Cotton, possibly Crenshaw, possibly Cruz), the D.C. GOPe is either useless or toothless. That leaves the states. Governors of Red states–especially states with critical energy and manufacturing sectors (e.g. Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott, and Doug Burgum)–who are not already having serious conversations with the National Guard and state law enforcement about worst-case scenarios are being derelict their duty. In fact, they should be having those conversations with their counterparts in neighboring states. And they should make it known that they are having those conversations. They can frame them as purely precautionary and just-in-case, but they should have them.”

     I was about two years early on the indictments, but they’re coming. I left the state departments of emergency management and revenue off the list of agencies to be consulted. I was dead wrong about Noem and I didn’t see DeSantis on the horizon. Otherwise, I’d give pretty much the same answer today. If this can be fixed, it will have to be fixed at the state level.

136. Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College. Trump wasn’t considered a legitimate president because he wasn’t a legitimate president. His actions in office merely underlined his long history of confidence trick, mob footsie, and tax evasion. Treason and sedition are easy when you think the law doesn’t apply to you or your family.

     As Trump said, nobody who takes the 5th under oath is qualified to be the president, or even a federal employee.

137. SkippingDog:

     Bless you heart.

     Treason, sedition, anything else? Shopping at Walmart, having a cousin named Cletus?

     Do share more wisdom about the Electoral College and how presidents become legitimate. You are legitimate, and can prove your parentage?

     Cheers until then.

138. Skipping Dog, apparently you don’t believe in the rule of law.

139. Skipping Dog.

     The Electoral College promotes diversity of thought.

     I used to think that Democrats cherished diversity, but when it comes to diversity of thought y’all are as lock-step conformist as the most prominent fundamentalist sects.

     Trump’s actions in office expanded the ability of ordinary people to live free and pursue happiness as they saw fit … instead to leading them into Flounderian trust in a Pedestaled Elite that seeks to impose its answers blindly, without being able to accurately perceive what is best for each individual.

     It is that trust, that makes you submit to everything that you decry, from your heroes.

     C. S. Lewis described Progressives well …

     Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

     Neither is Trump a racist. He treats people, regardless of color, as responsible adults who deserve respect for their liberty and deserve being challenged when intellectually dishonest … as opposed to Progressives, who come dressed in the royal robes of “bless your heart” condescension (the more common dress for bigots these days) and pigeonhole people into “victims” and “privileged” on the basis of surface appearances, like skin color.

     Is he over-the-top at times? Yes. Is he a self-promoter in the vein of P. T. Barnum? Yes. But our “statesmen” have become so full of their own above-it-all elitism that they have become the equivalent of Judge Smails in Caddyshack … and we needed an Al Czverik to come in and expose the rot behind the “respected” facades that resemble the description recorded in Matthew 23:27 – whitewashed tombs full of dead men’s bones.

     Progressives insist that they Know Better™ and should be allowed to call the shots. They do not know better.

     Calling Trump the dictator is nothing more than PROJECTION.

140. Not that anyone here will be particularly surprised, but if you click into Google News the Trump Raid is still the #1 story and the items listed are 90-95% anti-Trump.

     To casual news consumers it looks like the DOJ had damn good reasons to bring the hammer down on Trump and the MAGA hats disagreeing are gullible, stubborn, and likely violent.

141. Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College. Trump wasn’t considered a legitimate president because he wasn’t a legitimate president.

     Understanding positive law is difficult to you. By the way, here’s a list of candidates who ‘lost the majority vote”

     Hillary Clinton
     Albert Gore
     Bill Clinton (2x)
     John Kennedy
     Harry Truman
     Woodrow Wilson (2x).

142. Not to hassle Jester Naybor, who alluded to Matthew, but I like my Gospel straight, no chaser:
     __________________________

     27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

     –Matthew 23:27 (KJV)

143. As far as The Left being “against Trump, himself, personally” — I seem to recall one of those so-called Hawaiian judges opining on (that is, *against*) one of Trump’s Executive Orders… (think this had to do with restricting travel from certain Islamic countries) to the effect that if Obama had issued the same order it would be legal and appropriate, because Obama had the proper benign mindset. BUT! because Trump was of course bigoted, hateful, and Islamophobic, his INTENT was malicious, and therefore Mr Hawaiian Judge was going to nobly forbid The President from exercising his Constitutionally-enumerated power regarding immigration.

     (Does that ring a bell for anybody else here??)

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