Trump’s lawyers describe the irregularities of the Mar-A-Lago raid
Two of Trump’s lawyers were busy giving interviews yesterday.
Here they are:
It seems that these raids were irregular in a number of ways beyond the obvious fact that the target was an ex-president and leading opponent of the current president. But Biden won’t answer and his press secretary just keeps repeating “no comment”. It’s not a good look for the administration.
Then again, maybe they just wanted some fashion tips when they searched Melania’s wardrobe. It’s reported that the warrant was solely about the supposedly classified material in the home, but of course that’s just the pretext, and it’s a very poor one.
Plus:
A source close to the former president expressed concern that FBI agents or DOJ lawyers conducting the search could have “planted stuff” because they would not allow Trump’s attorneys inside the 128-room building to observe the operation, which lasted more than nine hours.
Is it usual to deny lawyers access if they are at the building?
…[The search] extended through the Trump family’s entire 3,000-square-foot private quarters, as well as to a separate office and safe, and a locked basement storage room in which 15 cardboard boxes of material from the White House were stored.
Feds arrived at 9 a.m. and didn’t leave until 6:30 p.m.
An eyewitness to the raid said all of the boxes were confiscated by federal agents Monday, but it is unknown if anything else was taken as no itemized list of items was provided by the FBI.
No inventory given of what was taken?
Also:
Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources…
In May, Corcoran granted access into Mar-a-Lago’s windowless storage room to FBI agents who spent several hours searching through the boxes. Trump stopped by the basement to say hello at one point, says someone who was there.
The same boxes.
Access to the 20-acre private country club is believed to have been granted by heavily armed US Secret Service (USSS) agents stationed at the front gates and toting M4 carbines. Lawyers for the former president, who were caught off guard by the raid, arrived an hour later…
Once inside the air-conditioned, white marble-clad private quarters, agents fanned out to search every room, while shocked staff were instructed by Trump’s lawyers to unlock doors and provide the FBI access to every room, including the sumptuous Versailles Master Bedroom, renovated by Melania two years ago.
Another group of agents, including a professional safe cracker, moved to a separate part of the enormous 1924 Spanish stucco building to search Trump’s office and safe.
The demeanor of the three DOJ lawyers who accompanied the FBI was described by one eyewitness as “arrogant,” and they repeatedly told Trump representatives: “We have full access to everything. We can go everywhere.”
Despite the sweltering 91 degrees temperature Monday, Trump’s lawyers were forbidden by the feds to shelter inside the cool lobby, or to observe the search in any way, but were left outside in the baking sun near a parking lot.
The feds instructed Trump’s representatives to switch off the security cameras but they refused.
So there may be at least some sort of recording, although it depends how many security cameras there are and whether they keep videos of more than nine hours.
Here’s some information about federal search protocol:
The warrant must state with particularity
The person or property to be search
The person or property to be seized, and
The magistrate judge to whom it must be returned…There are also requirements for how a warrant must be executed. This includes: noting the exact date and time the warrant was executed and an inventory of the property seized. The seizing agents must also either provide a receipt to the person who’s property was searched, or a receipt must be left at the location. The agent executing the warrant must also return it to the magistrate judge, with an inventory of the seized items…
Warrants can be challenged if they are overbroad.
For example, let’s say federal agents are investigating a tax crime committed by Jones, but they get a warrant to search for all documents and seize all computers in the house, regardless of who they belong to, with no connection to Jones or the crime investigated. This is an overbroad warrant and the evidence seized should be excluded, or “suppressed.”…
Agents must also follow the scope of the warrant.
A warrant does not give agents the right to go into someone’s home and search for anything they want. Let’s say agents got a warrant to search for and seize a large safe. While conducting the search, they start looking in desk drawers, and seize documents. In this case, the agents exceeded the scope of the warrant. Anything they take should be suppressed.
Was the warrant actually to search everything? Is that highly unusual? Is it not “overbroad”? The fourth amendment prohibits general warrants and requires warrants that “…particularly describ[e] the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” but if you say it’s the house to be searched and the documents to be seized, is that specific enough? I have no idea. And of course, documents can be anywhere – even in Melania’s pockets, or a safe – so would that be a license to search everything, with no one observing them?
And here’s some news on the magistrate, about something he apparently once posted on his Facebook page:
“Thank you, Robert Reich, for saying what many of us feel, ‘John Lewis is the conscience of America. Donald Trump doesn’t have the moral stature to kiss John Lewis’s feet,’” Reinhart added. “Or, as Joseph Welch said to Joseph McCarthy, ‘At long last, have you left no sense of decency?’”
Another Trump attorney says the search warrant is sealed, but even the ones who finally were allowed to see it say that it was vague and the predicate for the search was redacted.
It’s just a straightforward way to go in and search for some embarrassing dirt which they will now leak. Ho, hum.
Merely a crash course in INTIMIDATION AND THREATS 101
…brought to you free of charge from “Biden” University, Faculty of STASI Tactics…
(They really DO have the finest instructors!)
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/fbi-mole-inside-mar-a-lago/
So security sweeps for bugging devices, hidden cameras, and spying employees are now in order, top of the list.
The East German vibe is becoming highly intense in America. This cannot end well.
I read in a few articles that the boxes were packed up by the GAO which makes sense since who expects Trump to pack up things to move out. So, why wasn’t a review conducted at that point in time?? Heck, they had a lot of time to do the packing. We all have moved and the seasonal stuff is packed first with the current needs packed last.
Second, if Trump allowed FBI to review the stored boxes earlier in the year, did the FBI not take everything so that they could report that classified stuff was still there?
Third, did they plant anything in the boxes that they took out? And as Sdferr mentioned, did they plant any bugs or cameras in the residence?
“Despite the sweltering 91 degrees temperature Monday, Trump’s lawyers were forbidden by the feds to shelter inside the cool lobby, or to observe the search in any way, but were left outside in the baking sun near a parking lot.”
Then the MAL staff should have just switched off the power to the A/C. Make the agents searching the house a little bit less comfortable.
Casey Stengal in FBI Headquarters: “Can’t anybody here play this game?”
You’d think after Loretta Lynch & James Comey, the AG & FBI would be more … sensitive to optics of interactions with high profile candidates and/or potential candidates.
It may be too big a kidney stone to pass, but rank incompetency is, actually the most likely cause of this. I mean, is there ANYONE who thinks the benefits may, at some future date, out weigh the costs of this?
I mean, wouldn’t you, if nothing else, take into account the magistrate’s background before having him make such a politically explosive approval? Find a milquetoast, not a partisan, squirrely, creepy guy.
John Lewis is the conscience of America.
Lewis grew up dirt poor, and that’s unusual in American politics. He hasn’t suffered any personal scandals. Paul LePage, the quondam Governor of Maine, also grew up dirt poor and his only personal scandal is a divorce proceeding > 40 years ago. LePage, unlike Lewis, is an accomplished businessman and, as a state governor, faced a much more demanding environment as an elected official than Lewis ever did. No one calls him “the conscience of America”.
Lewis was prominent in protest politics during the period running from 1961 to 1966. Some of what he did required physical courage. (Of course, George Bush the Elder also showed physical courage in combat. No one ever called him the ‘conscience of America’). Over a period of 20 years, he was on the staff of one and another NGO and held some minor elected offices. He managed to knock off Julian Bond in a primary in 1986 to land a seat in Congress and that was his last competitive campaign if I’m not mistaken. He was a perfectly unremarkable back bench member of Congress and shepherded only inconsequential legislation through the House. He was in 2007 due for his Social Security and a satisfactory pension after 20 years service, but he continued in office even though he was leaving no mark on the body.
Only someone living in a witless partisan bubble would describe John Lewis the way this ‘magistrate’ did. Whoever’s been doing the hiring for junior grade judges isn’t recruiting the best.
I just read that (OK, not sure where) that supposedly Garland did not know about the Illegal Political Raid, but then it comes out the DOJ Lawyers were with the fbi (refuse to capitalize). Keystone Cops, but very dangerous ones. Fish dead for a week out in the Sun smell better than this action.
If they didn’t leave a copy of the Return & Inventory of what they took, that would seem to be a not insignificant violation of the federal code of criminal procedure, especially since Trump’s attorney’s were right there at the front door.
I would assume that the code of criminal procedure requires that the NKVD agents, mean FBI agents, provide a full and complete copy of the warrant to Trump or his attorneys. So another violation. What are the sanctions for these violations, anyway?
If the warrant specified that they were looking for classified documents that were improperly taken from the White House, then they don’t have much of an excuse for taking pretty much every piece of paper they found, for the simple reason that classified documents are required to be marked as such, on each and every page. In a working environment where both classified and unclassified documents live, both types are required to be marked. For computer generated documents/files, this is usually done by putting the appropriate notations in the headers and footers – i.e., UNCLASSIFIED, UNCLASSIFIED – FOUO, SECRET, TOP SECRET, etc.. A quick look at each paper would tell the observer if the material was classified or not.
Now, the FBI/DoJ mouthpieces will probably try to claim that they took everything because sorting through it all on site would have taken too long. Which is BS – sorting through it all would be what the law requires, in order to ensure that they don’t take things the warrant doesn’t entitle them to take.
Which makes this look even more like a combination fishing expedition and intimidation tactic.
They had better produce the “dead body” soon, and it had better be backed up by solid evidence, otherwise this scandal just keeps growing. And even then, who’s going to believe any of the “evidence” they might produce?
As Shirehome says, this is smelling worse and worse by the hour.
The other thing that bothers me is that are the lower ranks of the fbi agents also so corrupt that none of these agents even batted an eye at what they are doing?? Is the agency now totally filled with good Nazis??
They didn’t allow the property owner’s personal representatives (his attorneys) to watch the search, they eventually let them “look at” a warrant, but not to keep a copy, the affidavit supporting the application for the warrant is hidden, and they didn’t leave a receipt with inventory for what they took. Improper throughout. If any legal consequences result, no one should take the government’s claims of “evidence” seriously.
Biden stormtroopers trampled the law repeatedly in this raid. That’s the message they want to send. That’s the point. Just as it was the point of the election theft. Blatant, in our faces, strong arm violations of law and decency so that we understand who our masters are.
If someone dissented from Covid narratives, they were censored. Doctors had their livelihoods revoked. They lost their board certifications, their hospital privileges, teaching positions and even employment. Same thing happens to any scientist working in climate science. Or any college professor or K-12 teacher who dissents from Woke orthodoxy.
Add it all up. The demonization and judicial railroading of police officers. The threats and intimidation of Justices. The blatant election thefts. The politicized and grossly unequal application of law. The censorship by Big Tech at the direction of the government. The ideological “purification” of the military. The relentless criminal behavior of the FBI, CIA and DOJ. The daily propaganda deluge from the news media.The bastardization of science, economics, and all other academic fields littered with fraudulent studies and dishonest indoctrination. The riots of BLM and Antifa without consequence. The radical Soros prosecutors. The purposefully unfair Jan 6 show trial.
They aren’t even bothering to pretend any more. This is punching us in the face and laughing at us.
And their voters cheer and laugh in celebration.
Only someone living in a witless partisan bubble would describe John Lewis the way this ‘magistrate’ did.
Then there are those living in an Art Deco bubble…
As a major activist figure still alive from the Civil Rights era, John Lewis reached canonization level during the Obama years. I saw his name all over Democrat websites.
Lewis also “left his mark” on the Tea Party as one of the Black Congressional Caucus members who lied about the Tea Party using the N-word.
When Lewis died in 2020, Pres. Trump ordered all flags flown at half-mast. Lewis’s death was commemorated internationally.
As we all know, the purpose of this raid is to ‘find’ a pretext for preventing Trump from running again in 2024.
The only certain way to keep Trump from being elected is imprisonment or assassination. If imprisonment fails…
Victor Davis Hanson: ‘I Think They Should Break Up the FBI’; ‘This Is Something Like the East German Stasi in the Cold War’
https://grabien.com/story.php?id=389056
huxley,
“Lewis reached canonization level during the Obama years. I saw his name all over Democrat websites.”
Do you really want to use that laughable standard as validating his importance?
And that simply offers evidence of Trump deciding it to be a battle not worth fighting.
They seem proud they pulled off a massive search, probably not legal, and no one can do anything about it.
Has anyone noticed any statement in comment regarding the FBI/DOJ raid on Trump’s home from highly disappointing former AG Bill Barr? I haven’t seen a thing from him to date, but perhaps I’ve just missed it.
It’s just TDS at work.
SHIREHOME (3:06 pm) expounds on how ” it comes out the DOJ Lawyers were with the fbi (refuse to capitalize). Keystone Cops, but very dangerous ones.”
I appreciate the astute non-capitalization. I further appreciate the subsequent capitalization of Keystone Cops, and how doing those makes a pretty fair point.
Skip:
Ordinarily, such evidence is excluded in court.
Of course, this isn’t “ordinarily “.
I think one keeps forgetting that there is NOTHING the Democrats and their friends WON’T do to stay in power…and transform—that is, destroy—the country.
One might prefer to forget it.
It’s certainly not pleasant.
But it’s a sad and dangerous truth…and one forgets it at one’s peril.
After the bevy of “unprecedented” scandals and criminal conspiracies perpetrated by the Obama administration both during and after that benighted regime—the IRS scandal, the Russiagate conspiracy, the Iranian alliance, the defenestration of Michael Flynn, the political pursuit of Trump aides, the weaponization of government agencies, etc…not to, heaven forfend, forget the GRAND FINALE in Nov. 2020…TOGETHER WITH THE NEGLIGABLE, make that PRACTICALLY NON-EXISTENT, PRICE that THEY paid—why shouldn’t one expect that they’d continue their destructive efforts even more fervently…to “save democracy”, of course…in the distinctive Orwellian, Politburo-chic style they’ve so enthusiastically embraced , together with that other adept of perverting language, George Soros?
(The only thing missing this time around is Susan Rice writing an email to self to insist and ensure that “we do things by the book”; but I guess she’s so busy helping to coordinate the whole fetid game plan that she has no time for such niceties.)
So once again: There is NOTHING the Democrats won’t do to consolidate their power. Nothing.
(McCarthy, Dershowitz, Turley, take note! The writing is on the wall and has been for some time.)
This is absolute comedy gold!
https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/10/20-things-the-feds-probably-planted-in-the-boxes-they-took-from-trumps-house/
#4,6,7,and 14 are my personal favorites but it’s hard to choose.
(And wouldn’t you know it…I forgot to mention their brilliantly orchestrated Jan. 6 production…. Now THAT was a masterpiece….)
…So, once again, WHY wouldn’t they feel that they can get away with ANYTHING…
(Even non-existent hyper-inflation!!)
Well, since there was no inventory of the items taken, it will be a breeze for the DOJ to claim they found classified top secret documents in whatever it was they took.
Too bad the secret service let the DOJ goons into Trump’s place.
Anyway, it looks like there are plenty of US citizens here in the good-old-USA willing to just follow orders (geez, where have I heard that expression before) and do the dirty work they are ordered to do; no questions asked.
There never is a shortage of “willing executioners.”
Looks like The Bee was scooped…
“The Left is Now Desperately Trying to Change the Meaning of the Word ‘Raid’
“It was a lawful search pursuant to a warrant. Don’t let Trump and pals frame the messaging.”—
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/08/the-left-is-now-desperately-trying-to-change-the-meaning-of-the-word-raid/
Compare and contrast with the above:
“Hamas Orders Gaza-Based Journalists To Cover Up Civilian Deaths By Misfired Rockets, And Blame Israel For The Conflict”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/08/hamas-orders-gaza-based-journalists-to-cover-up-civilian-deaths-by-misfired-rockets-and-blame-israel-for-the-conflict/
Would appear that Hamas thinks it’s the Democratic Party…
(Actually, they have a point….)
Ah, “words, words, words”…
Meanwhile, some of the features of the new spirited public servants that “Biden” is planning to hire (no doubt to nip “unemployment” in the bud):
“IRS Criminal Investigation Special Agent Job Posting: ‘Carry a Firearm and be Willing to Use Deadly Force, if Necessary’;
“Be willing and able to participate in arrests, execution of search warrants, and other dangerous assignments.”—
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/08/irs-criminal-investigation-special-agent-job-posting-carry-a-firearm-and-be-willing-to-use-deadly-force-if-necessary/
Rumor has it that the name of this new Uber-Elite Corps will be “The Lois Lerner Division”.
Isn’t the Biden administration doing for real what Trump was accused of in his first impeachment? Uning the power of the presidency to try and weaken a prospective opponent? How do the two cases compare?
Speaking of non-existent hyper-inflation, here’s a somewhat surprising odd ball:
“Larry Summers ‘Appalled’ At Special Interest Tax Carve-Outs In Democrat Bill”—
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/larry-summers-appalled-special-interest-tax-carve-outs-democrat-bill
Key grafs:
‘Former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers says he’s “appalled” by the special interest carve-outs in the Democrats’ recent tax-and-climat bill, which he says threatens a historic international agreement….
‘…That said, Summers praised the overall bill, which he says marks “the first major legislation taking on climate change as an economic strategic priority.”
‘As far as the economy goes, Summers says we have a “very serious inflation problem.”‘
Seems to be having monumental trouble making up his mind…
Short version: “I’m appalled BUT hey, it’s for a worthy cause!”(?)
(Makes Krugman seem almost coherent by comparison…)
the last clever strategy had was telling the vinklevossi not to sue mark zuckerberg, before that, pushing the carve up of Russia’s infrastructure, to the newly minted oligarchs,
summers was present at the carve up of Russia, so it’s par for the course,
yes the impunity began with the november criminals, one might say the whole coen bros militia (whitmer scam preceded it) moved on to January 6th where they shot unarmed protesters, a whole list of proscriptions of persons for various thoughtcrimes, most recently the handcuffing of navarro and jeffrey clark,
now the fact that the raid occurred when trump was not on the premises, is a little like a die hard caper, see gruber, his brother, or colonel stuart,
Do you really want to use that laughable standard as validating his importance?
Geoffrey Britain:
I consider it important to see reality as it is, not as I might judge it or prefer it.
I don’t like John Lewis either. He paid some real dues in the Civil Rights movement. It’s a shame he slid into becoming a grifter.
However, Art Deco down-played Lewis as minor has-been. He was not. He mattered to a lot of people. He was still a force, even if I didn’t think he was a good one.
As I say, I prefer to see reality clearly. Others may do otherwise.
}}} Despite the sweltering 91 degrees temperature Monday
91 degrees? Sweltering? What province are these yahoo writers from, Nova Scotia? Nunavit? 😀
91 is COOL for a Florida daytime.
The idea that someone should have shut off the AC in the private quarters was a good one. And really? They went through Melania’s wardrobe? They thought she kept top secret documents in her shoes?
FBI decision-makers in Washington and Miami thought that denying the former president a photo opportunity or a platform from which to grandstand (or to attempt to thwart the raid) would lower the profile of the event . . .
Instead they got the Streisand Effect.
Morons. Fascist morons.
BTW, the history of Mar-a-Lago is rather amusing.
It belonged to Marjorie Merriweather Post, as in “Post Raisin Bran”. Yes: $$money$$. She was the owner of General Foods, having taken it over — and yes, run it — when her father passed away in 1914 (No relation to Emily Post, of “Post’s Ettiquette”)
When she passed away in 1973, among the things in her will was the Mar-a-Lago estate, which she willed to be given to the PotUS as a winter residence.
Google Maps:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Mar-a-Lago+Club/@26.6769778,-80.044806,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d8d71e9a5c409d:0x71bb1222105e5650!8m2!3d26.6770665!4d-80.0369802
Well, the Secret Service went to the estate, and, as you might guess from looking at the map above, said, “Uhhh… Thanks, but no thanks. Security for the President would be impossible.”
It then reverted to the City of Palm Beach, and sat there, with no real owner, for a decade and more. Then Trump came in, and bought it for a dime (not literally), because the City was gaining no revenue from it.
Now, the next fun part is this — if you zoom out a bit:
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.6830381,-80.0733682,15.25z
Notice where the airport is. Right. The planes take off right over Mar-a-Lago. LOTTTTTTTS of noise (and yes, trust me, I grew up about a mile closer to the airport — if you look to the immediate east of the airport, you see: Marshall and Vera Lea Rinker Athletic Campus — that used to be a neighborhood. The county wound up buying all the homes there because of the noise complaints. My old house survives, literally the last house on the street that did not get torn down for that area.
Trump sued the county over the takeoff noise. It was obvious when he was buying it that that was an issue, but, hey, this is NOW… 😛
Now here’s the fun part.
To get him to shut up about the noise, the county leased him a huge swath of land to build the Trump International Golf Course, West Palm Beach — word is it was leased for a buck a year. You can see it, here (yes, that’s the airport to the top).
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Trump+International+Golf+Club+West+Palm+Beach/@26.6672498,-80.0984751,16.75z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88d8d7df3310075f:0xb49cb049921fa85!8m2!3d26.6659648!4d-80.0985665
Now, I haven’t checked, but I heard the dues for this club were like a quarter of a million a year. Maybe that’s too much, dunno. But notice to the top-right of that, the “Palm Beach County Main Detention Center”.
Yup. The county jail. Which is like 12-14 stories tall.
So these guys in prison are looking out their windows at a golf course that they could not even get onto with a job as a caddy.
😀
And the final irony, remember that Mar-a-Lago was willed to the President of the USA, and the SS said, “Nahhh.”
Then Trump gets elected President, and, of course, he does spend time there, regularly. So the SS gets to guard him there, even though they think it’s a nontrivial security risk.
Molly G:
I’d rather they were moronic fascists than smart ones.
Kate:
You write, “They thought she kept top secret documents in her shoes?”
Doesn’t everyone?
Sure, Neo. And mine are large, so I can stuff LOTS of secret documents in them. Melania is tall, like me, so her shoes are perfect, complete with stilettos for defense from foreign spies.
Sandy Berger hid classified documents in his underwear so that’s the first place the fbi agents thought to look!
I’ve read, and it makes sense, that President Trump had kept documents that John Ratcliffe and the President assembled showing how the justice department spied on his campaign. He had declassified them, but remember the bureaucracy was slow walking the release of much of what Trump had declassified.
The FBI and DOJ needed to get those back.
Maybe somebody’s already thought of this: The warrant is unclear, parts are sealed or otherwise not available for Trump’s attorneys or the public.
Because the doj doesn’t want to get tied down too soon.
They plan to redo the warrant for whatever they find which is interesting, legally compromising or not.,
Or whatever they plant.
old standards, like sinatra, or dean martin
https://tinyurl.com/yc37pmmb
six recusals
https://t.me/The_Library_II/82847
Art Deco down-played Lewis as minor has-been. He was not. He mattered to a lot of people. He was still a force,
He was from 1962 to 1966 the chairman of a protest organization which was founded in 1960 and dissolved in 1968. None of the seven people who ran the organization had notable accomplishments in mundane life bar Rap Brown, who owned a boutique grocery store he’d founded and ran. (Unfortunately, the man’s criminal qualities resurfaced in late middle age and landed him in prison). Two held political office. One, Marion Barry, held a demanding position of which he made a hash. The other, John Lewis, was a back bench legislator. He wasn’t a force in Congress. He just got his name in the papers every once in a while. He mattered to people whose worldview is superficial.
So have we discussed the Newsweek “exclusive” from “senior government officials” claiming that, no, AG Garland didn’t know anything about this, nor the White House. Of course not! And, the raid was triggered by an inside informant. If I read this correctly, the FBI has been spying on the former president in his home. Do these people think that any one will believe this, and that it helps?
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283
Like it or not — and clearly you don’t — John Lewis mattered to and was revered by a great many people.
As I said, Trump ordered all flags to be lowered to half-mast after Lewis died. There is likely going to be a John Lewis postage stamp in the future.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/new-postage-stamp-could-honor-civil-rights-icon-john-lewis/AL54K253FNAAZNA5LWX6PBQQOU/
Few people get that treatment.
But you’ve made it clear, abundantly, repeatedly, your personal opinion is supreme on everything and everybody.
So if John Lewis did matter to others, that’s only because their worldview is superficial.
There’s no way to argue with Pope Deco. Anyone who disagrees is obviously a partisan hack in a bubble.
I took it personally when John Lewis lied about the N-word and the Tea Party.
I knew Lewis was a force. I knew it mattered when he did that. I knew that was a big deal to Democrats and blacks.
John Lewis did some real damage there. It wasn’t on the same order as the DOJ raiding Mar-a-Lago, but it was serious enough. John Lewis still had the mojo to do that damage — despite Art Deco’s claims he was some back-bencher non-entity.
Lewis was a serious Civil Rights icon. I don’t believe Art Deco or Geoffrey Britain have any idea what that means or what it meant for Lewis to lead the first “Bloody Sunday” Selma March.
Some of my campaign here is for conservatives to understand the Left on its own terms, rather than their personal rejections, as we see with AD and GB.
huxley:
You aren’t the head of Church of Rome either. Opinions, you have them too.
huxley:
Know them on their own terms? Know them by their fruits, poison and evil.
In listening to the opinion shows, I heard that the FBI came earlier in the year to check out the boxes removed from the White House, took about 15 boxes of stuff and then demanded that the storage unit be secured and Trump complied.
So, if true, there was no need to do an all day raid.
Reinhart recused himself from Trump’s lawsuit against Clinton. Maybe he shouldn’t have been on this case either.
Living politicians are fair game. They can be defeated if they aren’t satisfying their constituents. They can also be criticized. Trump’s comment seems to me to have been a throwaway, just something dashed off at the moment. The sort of things politicians often say or have said about them. It wasn’t a deep cut at Lewis, just a flesh wound. Whether it was wise or good politics I can’t say.
John Lewis led one of the most crucial and dangerous Civil Rights demonstrations in our history:
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“Bloody Sunday” events
On March 7, 1965, an estimated 525 to 600 civil rights marchers headed southeast out of Selma on U.S. Highway 80. The march was led by John Lewis of SNCC and the Reverend Hosea Williams of SCLC, followed by Bob Mants of SNCC and Albert Turner of SCLC. The protest went according to plan until the marchers crossed the Edmund Pettus Bridge, where they encountered a wall of state troopers and county posse waiting for them on the other side.
County sheriff Jim Clark had issued an order for all white men in Dallas County over the age of twenty-one to report to the courthouse that morning to be deputized. Commanding officer John Cloud told the demonstrators to disband at once and go home. Rev. Hosea Williams tried to speak to the officer, but Cloud curtly informed him there was nothing to discuss. Seconds later, the troopers began shoving the demonstrators, knocking many to the ground and beating them with nightsticks. Another detachment of troopers fired tear gas, and mounted troopers charged the crowd on horseback.[58][59][page needed]
Televised images of the brutal attack presented Americans and international audiences with horrifying images of marchers left bloodied and severely injured, and roused support for the Selma Voting Rights Campaign. Amelia Boynton, who had helped organize the march as well as marching in it, was beaten unconscious. A photograph of her lying on the road of the Edmund Pettus Bridge appeared on the front page of newspapers and news magazines around the world.[9][60] Another marcher, Lynda Blackmon Lowery, age 14, was brutally beaten by a police officer during the march, and needed seven stitches for a cut above her right eye and 28 stitches on the back of her head.[61][62] John Lewis suffered a skull fracture and bore scars on his head from the incident for the rest of his life. In all, 17 marchers were hospitalized and 50 treated for lesser injuries; the day soon became known as “Bloody Sunday” within the black community.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches#%22Bloody_Sunday%22_events
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John Lewis wasn’t quite at the Martin Luther King level, but he was close. Art Deco breezily dismisses Lewis thusly:
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[Lewis] was from 1962 to 1966 the chairman of a protest organization which was founded in 1960 and dissolved in 1968.
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I don’t consider Art Deco an honest intellectual broker.
It seems you don’t like it when Art Deco’s opinion doesn’t comport with yours. No counting for taste. Don’t be a Bunge about it. 🙂
om:
It seems you can’t muster any argument of your own beyond “Tu quoque.”
(Look it up! It’s fun!)
I reapect what lewis did 62 years ago. However if he were alive today he would have been fine with the killing of innocent civilians like ashley babbitt (its not a stretch)
huxley:
Get over your own opinion.
Anyway.
John Lewis was a serious guy in a serious time, then the times changed or got more complicated.
It’s a tough call. Lewis stuck with his tribe and his past. I understand. It’s not easy.
Going OT, but not long ago I was researching P.D. Ouspensky. Without getting too tiresome, Ouspensky was a Western disciple bringing the New Age news from an odd Middle-Eastern guru guy, who called himself Gurdjieff.
Skipping too much exposition, Ouspensky became disenchanted with Gurdjieff, but he had developed a gravy train of moneyed disciples lined up for the inner “Gurdjieff” wisdom. Ouspensky liked the cushy life of nice hotels and nice restaurants, so he continued to ride that gravy train and as much admitted it to a journalist.
My point being that John Lewis was not unlike P.D. Ouspensky. He acquired a lifestyle he wanted to keep … and he made a few compromises.
I dont make excuses for people abusing their authority, i understand nelson mandelas turn to violence (wilbur smith fictionally depicted it in rage) but i dont excuse it.
So if John Lewis did matter to others, that’s only because their worldview is superficial.
I had a dear friend who spent 31 months in the Army and saw combat in the Pacific theatre. (He was also deeply involved in local politics coincident with Lewis’ period of prominence). I’m not seeing how John Lewis was demonstrably more courageous than my friend. A seven-digit population of men born between 1904 and 1927 saw combat during the 2d World War. They matter to those of us who remember them and loved them. Lewis also managed to complete a college degree, though his family had nothing. Pat Nixon did that; she was regarded congenially by the public at large and the mainstream press, but derided by a segment of the word merchant sector (e.g. Judith Viorst and her editors at the WaPoo).
How did this man get promoted to ‘conscience of America’? ‘Conscience’ in regard to just what? It’s a meme transmitted by people who aren’t thinking about what they’re saying.
Some of my campaign here is for conservatives to understand the Left on its own terms, rather than their personal rejections,
I live with the left seven days a week, and count them among my close relatives. I understand them on their own terms as best one can. What I’m doing here is pointing out the nonsense.
John Lewis wasn’t quite at the Martin Luther King level, but he was close.
King was a charismatic public speaker. His time in public life lasted a little over 12 years (1955 to 1968). It was a case of a man and a moment coming together. He was pretty much out of ideas by 1968, and had no message or skill set to address the black population’s actual problems after that date. (His feet of clay are also most embarrassing).
(His feet of clay are also most embarrassing). And in case anyone here has forgotten some of the details of those embarrassing details, they were well recorded by the FBI and used to regale LBJ. Another example of the FBI getting out of line.
“…irregularities…”
One of the added advantages of behaving like a third-world country is the distractions that “irregularities” like this afford.
We’re all talking about Melania’s undies…or Joe Biden’s dementia, or Hunter’s megalomania, or hyperinflation, or mere regular 17% inflation (the 8.5% is an accountant’s trick), or Covid-19, or Monkeypox, or the agriculture “crisis”, or Global warming (TM), or CRT, or racism, or white supremacism, or the supply chain “crisis” or the energy “crisis” or the border “crisis” or Ukraine, or Gaza, or…..well, you get the idea…
MEANWHILE….
“Five Minutes from Disaster’
“The U.S. is offering Iran the deal of the millennium, and yet the Islamic Republic—and Russia—want more concessions”—
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2022/08/10/five-minutes-from-disaster/
(Which might raise a question or two about the “Biden”-Putin nexus on this particular, um, issue…)
But, no doubt, for world peace, everything must be done. The last stone must be upturned. The last mile must be walked.
But of course!!
File under: But you absolutely gotta help out yer friends. Reacg OUT to ’em. Otherwise, just what are you?
My gosh, but the State of Israel has gotta give Joe Biden another shiny medal/prize/award. (No doubt he’s forgotten about the one he was awarded three weeks ago…)
P.S. Should one wonder if Ms. Griner will be released once the “Deal” is penned…?
You want a bit more “Biden”-Putin nexus.
Well “suck on this” (as Travis Bickle might say…):
“China and Russia—With Help from Biden—Attack the Dollar”—
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18787/china-russia-attack-dollar
“Tout commence en mystique et finit en politique.” I think that means that everything begins as a mystique and ends in politics. I understand that Lewis was a hero of the civil rights movement, and I’m not going insult the man, but he was a politician for much of his life and his political career has to be judged by its results. Think of a general who was brave and brilliant during the war, but then moves on to a political position. Is he to be above criticism?
If you can define who the sacred cows are, you can control opinion. At this point, there’s been so much “soul of America” talk and it’s been used to justify so much misconduct, so it’s understandable that people are disenchanted with the regime using it as a pretext and with the talk itself.
Garland knew there was going to be a raid, just look at how they’ve coached his knowledge. If the Clinton years taught me anything, it’s to read between the lines.
The senior Justice Department source says that Garland was regularly briefed on the Records Act investigation, and that he knew about the grand jury and what material federal prosecutors were seeking. He insists, though, that Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it. “I know it’s hard for people to believe,” says the official, “but this was a matter for the U.S. Attorney and the FBI.”
So what if he didn’t know the date and time of the specific raid, he probably told them to keep him out of THAT LOOP. It’s called plausible deniability.
And Boltin’ John Bolton is clueless in D.C.
(He apparently thinks that HE’s more important than “WORLD PEACE”(TM). Actually, the fact that he thinks he’s important at all is rather chuckle-worthy…)
“Bolton blasts Biden for negotiating with Iran after assassination plot”—
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/bolton-blasts-biden-negotiating-iran-after-assassination-plot
This should be fun to watch:
“It’s Real –> Financial Transactions Over $600 To The IRS”—
https://www.trevorloudon.com/2022/08/its-real-financial-transactions-over-600-to-the-irs/
H/T Blazingcatfur blog.
(Featuring Janet Yellen in another forked-tongue cameo…)
BTW all this added taxation revenue—which Americans will doubtless be simply overjoyed to be able to shell out to their “government”—is no doubt the reason why Joe Biden “assured” everyone, way back when, that passing Bastinado Back Better wouldn’t cost anyone a dime(!)
Such a KIDDER!
(With overtones of “I wouldn’t hurt a fly….”)
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Speaking of “irregularities”, if things get any further out of hand then the Democrats might come to the conclusion that they’ll just have to run with—I’m-always-prepared-to-run, just ask me!–Preparation Hillary.
(Who better, after all, to preside over the dissolution o the Republic?)
Why were 3 DOJ lawyers present at the raid? Government lawyers don’t go along to execute search warrants, that’s strictly a law-enforcement function. It’s a bad idea in principle because, when the legality of the raid is later contested in court those lawyers become witnesses and can’t act as advocates for the government. This is yet more evidence that this was a stunt, political theater, not a serious search for evidence.
There was no “inside source” — the feds knew where the documents were because they had been to MAL a few weeks before, inventoried the documents, and added their own padlock to the room where they’re kept.
hey rob how you been, this group, does fulfill mark twain’s maxim to the nth degree’
‘the lives and property are not safe, when the legislature is in session’
From what I’ve read:
one of Trump’s lawyers was there, + she asked to read the search warrant.
A number of things are needed on a search warrant, for it to be a LEGAL search warrant.
Did they let her read it?
She says she was shown a search warrant, from 10 feet away.
Was she allowed to read it, to make sure it was a [legal, search warrant]?
Here is some information on how search warrants can and can’t be used:
https://stepstojustice.ca/steps/criminal-law/1-ask-see-search-warrant/
From what I’ve read:
one of Trump’s lawyers was there, + she asked to read the search warrant.
A number of things are needed on a search warrant, for it to be a LEGAL SEARCH WARRANT.
Did they let her read it?
Did the FBI agents who searched Trump’s house, let her read it?
In the USA, [the Government and police] CAN’T do illegal search and seizure [actions] against people!
She says she was shown a search warrant, from 10 feet away.
Was she allowed to read it, to make sure it was a [legal, search warrant]?
Here is some information on how search warrants can and can’t be used:
https://stepstojustice.ca/steps/criminal-law/1-ask-see-search-warrant/
Why were 3 DOJ lawyers present at the raid? Government lawyers don’t go along to execute search warrants, that’s strictly a law-enforcement function. It’s a bad idea in principle because, when the legality of the raid is later contested in court those lawyers become witnesses and can’t act as advocates for the government. This is yet more evidence that this was a stunt, political theater, not a serious search for evidence.
Evidence that (1) they brought along Kevin Asshole, JD to try to intimidate the staff and any other lawyers present or (2) DoJ lawyers don’t have enough work to do. Remember the investigation run by Lawrence Walsh, special-prosecutor-for-life? The odious Jeffrey Toobin, then aged 27 and a year out of law school, was hired by Walsh. He’d been a clerk to some federal judge prior to that. Don’t know what clerks to federal judges were paid in 1987, but I do know what their counterparts employed by the Appellate Division in New York were paid in that era and Toobin’s starting salary was twice what those young lawyers were receiving. Then Toobin was permitted to spend large blocs of time attending trials and taking notes for a book project on which he was working. (He was bound by some disclosure rules, so the book’s typescript had to be reviewed by lawyers in the office after it was completed and he’d left federal employment. The man in the office who took time out to read Toobin’s typescript was the very very busy Lawrence Walsh). You’ll recall, I assume, that by 1992 Walsh, while still the titular ‘special prosecutor’, was living in Oklahoma City.
An Albany, New York- newspaper, + the watchdog group, Judicial Watch, ask that the search warrant used in this search, be [unsealed], + shown to the US public.
They say the public HAS A RIGHT to see this entire search warrant.
I think they want to see that this warrant is a LEGAL warrant.
More on that story, here:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fbi-raid-albany-times-union-judicial-watch-request-release-mar-a-lago-search-warrant
I just saw that about Judicial Watch.
Just to be clear, I think the raid was one of the most egregious things Ive ever witnessed by the government. However, I also just read that Trump has the warrant and could release it on his own. True??? And if so, why hasn’t he released it? Not a good look, but then I also don’t understand all the legalities his lawyers are dealing with by releasing the warrant.
One consequence of this raid is that it may have re-elected Trump. On the other hand, it may now be down to assassination. I hope he has good personal security. I don’t trust the Secret Service any more than the fbi. Remember the SS agent (female) who said she would not take a bullet for Trump?
Remember the SS agent who retired when Reagan left office and continued as his personal friend and protector? Those days are gone.
Hi physicsguy,
As I understand it, after reading the article that I mentioned above, is that-
[The U.S. District Court of the Southern District of Florida] has sealed the search warrant, in this event.
As I understand it-
by SEALING the search warrant, the court has decided that the warrant [has sensitive information in it], and that means [the court says] this warrant can’t be seen by the public, AND that if, in my opinion, if the court, or Trump, or anyone shows this warrant to the public, [while the warrant is still sealed], then these people are BREAKING THE LAW.
Please, do we have a legal expert, reading this site?
Is this what happens, when [a court seals a document?]
Please tell us what you think.
Another example of the FBI getting out of line.
Stanley Levison and Jack O’Dell were in the King entourage. The FBI had a legitimate interest in keeping an eye on them given their history and intersection with a prominent extraparliamentary politician. What they shouldn’t have been doing was bag jobs without probable cause and judicial sanction.
About the warrant —
The court has sealed it, and various entities are suing to get it unsealed. It is not unusual to seal a warrant but ordinarily it’s only done until the search occurs and then it’s unsealed. So extending the sealing is very unusual. As far as I know, Trump was not given a copy; at least that’s my impression from what I’ve read so far. If he did have a copy, I would assume he would not be allowed to show it, because of the sealing. But I’m not 100% sure that’s how it would work.
Hi neo,
Thanks for the information about the search warrant.
Yeah, I’m wondering about when the warrant will be unsealed, + stuff like that. 🙂
Tell us more about the second video, the one from a “YouTube account that has now been TERMINATED.”
That raises a lot of questions.
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