Who will suffer most from the effects of the Chauvin verdict?
Most people want to live, and I’m going to assume that’s also true of police officers – who, after all, are people. So I’m also going to assume that the logical effect of the Chauvin verdict will be officers quitting or taking early retirement, increased difficulty in recruiting good officers, and a disengagement from confronting criminals on the part of the officers who remain.
I will further posit that the people who will suffer most from those consequences will be law-abiding black people in inner cities run by Democrats. Even gang members in such areas won’t necessarily prosper, except temporarily, because they’ll be more inclined to be left alone to kill each other.
Black lives don’t matter very much to Black Lives Matter. For example (hat tip: commenter “Kate”), we have this from black activist Bree Newsome (by the way, when I went to her Twitter account, her tweets were only on limited view. But apparently this is what that tweet said, as you can pretty much tell from the responses, which were predominantly negative):
Teenagers have been having fights including fights involving knives for eons. We do not need police to address these situations by showing up to the scene & using a weapon against one of the teenagers. Y’all need help. I mean that sincerely.
She’d rather one teenager kills another than that a policeman, called to the scene to stop a stabbing, makes a split-second decision to prevent it from happening by shooting the perpetrator:
Police received a 911 call at 4:35 p.m. about an attempted stabbing on the 3100 block of Legion Lane, which is located north of Chatterton Road. The caller reported a female was trying to stab them, then the caller hung up.
Officers responded to the scene and at 4:45 p.m. an officer-involved shooting was reported.
We also have this sort of thing from witnesses:
Media vs bodycam pic.twitter.com/IYtlQELyhq
— Peace Promoter Poso (@JackPosobiec) April 21, 2021
And this sort of thing from activists:
Kiara Yakita, founder of the Black Liberation Movement Central Ohio, said she is not surprised that another police shooting happened. “Why did they kill this baby?” she asked aloud.
Watch the video, Kiara Yakita, and you’ll get your answer. Or would you rather the other “baby” had been killed by that “baby”?
Or would you rather the community lose the ability to call the cops at all? Because that’s where this is headed: police “no-go” zones in major cities.
I’ve also seen cries that a counselor should have been dispatched. Good luck with that – I think we’ve entered the era of belief in the magic counselor. As a person who has worked with dysfunctional and sometimes even violent families, I have no such faith in counselors to defuse a violent situation in progress. I doubt that those who say it actually think it would solve the problem, either; it’s just something to say in order to criticize police.
I wonder how this is going to play out in the rich, liberal, mainly white neighborhoods of Minneapolis. They could be easy pickings without police protection.
The illegitimate Harris/Biden administration is already spinning this, through the insufferable Psaki, as proof of “systemic racism”, which is clearly the leitmotif of the Dystopian Duo, who are colluding with the MSM (and all the other bad actors in the hysterical psycho-drama brought on by The Great Awokening) in the racialization of every incident involving the police and any black person, no matter the circumstances and no matter the culpability of the black decedent. Under the current reign of “woke” supremacy and anarcho-tyranny, the race of the persons involved suffices to determine guilt or innocence, in pure Leninist fashion (Who/Whom?).
I wonder how this is going to play out in the rich, liberal, mainly white neighborhoods of Minneapolis. They could be easy pickings without police protection.
no sympathy here
The Democrat-affiliated Some, Select Black Lives Matter is an incorporated Pro-Choice sect operating under the diversity racket of the Progressive Church/Synagogue/Agency/Corporation/Chamber/Clinic etc. Baby Lives Matter (BLM)
On the average blacks score 85 points on an IQ test. That means 5/6 of them make less than 100 points on an IQ test. They aren’t very smart.
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Mob rule and social not real justice will hurt everyone.
This scenario will happen again, and again.
Major pull back by Police will occur. And who can blame them. Remember the Korean shop owners in the Watts riots?
I wonder how many abortions these young “babies” have had? Yet, many have no problem with that form of killing. And, will the man, who was kicking the first girl after she was on the ground, be charged with assault?
Would the counselor agree to go to this scene without a police escort? I understand that in some cities, fire and EMTs won’t go to certain areas until there is a safe signal. I think that was the case in MN.
“Or would you rather the other “baby” had been killed by that “baby”? ”
At this point, yes. Let the police pull back and let the anarchy reign in those neighborhoods.
As others have predicted the Chauvin verdict is only emboldening the nutjobs. Once again they are back on the street harassing innocent diners just because they are white.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/juliorosas/2021/04/21/blm-protesters-harass-nyc-dinners-after-chauvins-guilty-verdicts-n2588317
“Who will suffer most…”
Well…if current trends are any indication, it’ll be black folks. Since black criminals tend to victimize people in their own neighbourhoods, they’ll leave a trail of dead and bleeding black bodies. Who’s going to stop them?
Next in line will be any white cops who stay on the job past this weekend. What black criminal is going to come along quietly after the Floyd verdict? Every white cop has a bullseye on their back from now on.The white cop that shot that murderous woman in Ohio is probably on his last day of work in Columbus. He’s the last of a rare breed who is actually doing his job.
Eventually…you. Cancer spreads unless it’s cut out & killed.
And I reckon that’s coming.
For decades feminists have been complaining that the government does not take domestic violence seriously enough. So now, when a woman calls 911 that her husband is trying to kill her, will she understand when a social worker shows up?
Ray:
We’ve had many many discussions here about the issues involving IQ tests and race. I can’t possibly recap now, but suffice to say it’s far more complicated than your statement. You might want to read this for starters.
Criminals are going to find out that in reality the police and the court systems were there to protect them from the law abiding who will eventually take matters into their own hands. Old style justice wasn’t too just but was fast and permanent, which is why we evolved the system we have which the Left in their insanity is trying to wreck.
Not to divert from the topic, but I have a question for anyone who understands our system of justice. In the scheme of things it is trivial, but to me exemplifies this disgusting charade. If anyone can answer great, then go on with the core question. By the way, my answer to the original question is, the United States of America.
Now my question. By what logic do you convict a man of murder and manslaughter for the same action? I believe that juries already have the option of finding guilt to a lesser offense in lieu of a more serious one, and it is for the Judge to instruct them of that option. My understanding is that murder requires intent to kill, while manslaughter, unless it is charged as wilful does not consider intent. Again, my understanding is that wilfulness refers to intent to harm, but not to kill. Hence no charge of murder. How can you be guilty of both? So, did Chauvin intend to kill Floyd, or not? What am I missing?
Disclaimer. I did not attend law school, so I did not sleep through that subject; nor did I stay at a well known motel chain recently. Just an ordinary citizen trying to make heads or tails of how our system is meant to work compared to how it is manipulated.
I see that Turley somehow decided that the evidence was overwhelming, and now a hand full of GOP politicians have rushed to catch up with the parade. Human weather vanes.
“police “no-go” zones”
It’s barely relevant to this post but I’ve always puzzled over the furor which erupted when squishy GOPe Gov Bobby Jindal went to Europe and talked about no-go zones in France.
I believe there are websites and perhaps even guidebooks which document the locations but somehow this was considered fantasy on his part.
JimNorCal;
French website. “Atlas des Zones urbaines sensibles”
https://sig.ville.gouv.fr/atlas/ZUS/
@tcrosse:I wonder how this is going to play out in the rich, liberal, mainly white neighborhoods of Minneapolis. They could be easy pickings without police protection.
They will be aggressively patrolled for possible racism. The United Kingdom went down this path already: when the cops are not allowed to confront violent crime, they focus on non-violent crime. Middle-class people give no trouble, and have a lot to lose, and can afford to pay fines.
Well, in these occasionally stressful times, a little comic relief is always going to be appreciated. Possibly featuring a prominent Democrat city council, or woke school board, member.
The question is whether those poised to benefit from all this bounty are likely to fully appreciate the fact that this low hanging fruit is there, ripe, and lucious, for the taking – with few likely to complain or care as they are seen helping themselves to the property and persons of liberal America. Should be easy pickings. “Resistance is Violence!”
And yes – in answer to a rhetorical question posed elsewhere – I have been convinced for some time that the police are wasting their time and the citizen’s money in responding to repeated domestic disorder calls, and to the violent flailings of the emotionally and behaviorally incontinent.
What good did we ever imagine the authorities were accomplishing when helpless children were not the proximate target of the intervention?
“At this point, yes. Let the police pull back and let the anarchy reign in those neighborhoods. “ (above), and;
“Eventually…you. Cancer spreads unless it’s cut out & killed.” (above).
I think you’re right, inner city blacks will suffer the most; life is tough, and cheap, in those neighborhoods and it’s about to get tougher and cheaper. I don’t expect Thunderdome, but some nights in some cities may come to resemble it.
Forget not the ability for cancers to metastasize; without treatment there’s no hope, even with radical treatment delivered too late the outcome is almost always negative. Some of our cities will be lost forever, no amount of Good Government will be able to turn around a deeply entrenched severely destructive culture, and an average-size state with several destroyed cities will become a total loss. Our children will see a lot of it, our grandchildren will wind up living too much of it. I doubt the Republic is gone, but within a decade, probably sooner, it will hobble with a permanent limp.
Oldflyer:
Here’s an attempt to answer your question about the charges.
By the way, the felony murder charge in this case is preposterous. The statute has never before been used to convict someone where the supposed felony is the same thing that caused the death, as far as I know. Most states have explicit laws forbidding using the action causing the death as the felony in felony murder, so this charge would be prohibited.
LTEC:
The Jacob Blake case involved a man violating a protective order against his girlfriend (or ex-girlfriend), and if I remember correctly, she was the one who called the cops on him. Didn’t matter to the feminists, who gladly ignored that fact. Racial martyrdom to the Cause trumps women’s right to be free of abuse.
One of the things that I noticed about the Bree Newsome tweets when Kate first brought up the topic (aside from the overall absurdity of them) was the titling Newsome used. From memory it said:
Defund and Abolish the Police; Refund Our Communities
For some of these activists, it is about the money. IMHO.
TommyJay, if the title in question said, ‘refund our taxes’, I could support it. I would also support something that called to ‘defund the police, issue ammunition to every law abiding citizen’.
I have commented before. Growing up I spent part of my time on a farm in Suwannee County, Fl. In the summer of 1947, my last time there, the area was still without electricity or telephones. It was over a mile to the nearest paved road. So, there was no effective police protection; and no one pretended otherwise. Every family was on its own. There were two deterrents to crime. One, every household was armed. Two, the “law” might catch up with you eventually. I don’t think anyone felt less safe than the typical American does now. Certainly, not an American in a Democrat run city.
Neo,
I have the book “The Bell Curve” and I am familiar with the literature. I am retired and have an MSEE. To be a good engineer you need to score at least 125-130 on an IQ test. I have only known only 2 black engineers, one a mecanical and the other an electrical. I have known a dozen female engineers. The HR departments were always looking for the mythical black engineer, They didn’t exist.
Ray – I worked automotive for 40+ years. I know of hundreds of extremely qualified, competent black and female engineers. I ran patent projects in my division. They had their fair share of patents particularly if they graduated from upper tier schools. You need to put aside your preening self regard and examine the facts.
Read Thomas Sowell’s American Spectator article that appeared the same time as the Bell Curve. He thoroughly dismantled the premise that your conceit has posited. They used to say the same things about Pollacks, Spics and Wops. After a generation in a competent education system they all caught up.
So what you see is the result of a failed education and culture of underachievement brought on by progressive policies. Put your darling ones in Chicago, New York, Baltimore or Detroit schools and see how they turn out.
Unfortunately I can’t get to the article itself but here is a summary. Also read his “Black Rednecks and White Liberals” book. It will disabuse you of your smug superiority.
https://ricochet.com/194295/archives/thomas-sowell-on-iq-and-race/
So if honky’s are so smart how come South and Central Asians get the bulk of technical degrees? It is a culture and not a genetic reason.
Neo: “Or would you rather the community lose the ability to call the cops at all?”
The Marxists are aiming to make life so miserable that people demand the government do something. That something will be federalized police. With federalized police, they will then crack down on anyone who objects to the loss of free speech, a corrupt justice system, the end of the second amendment, etc. This is not about police brutality to blacks. Anyone with a computer can look up the statistics. This is about bringing down the system to be replaced with a Marxist utopia. That’s why nothing, no appeasement, will satisfy these people. There’s a much bigger game going on. Slow Joe may not realize how he’s being used, but Kamala, Barack, Susan, and others in the brain trust that’s driving the train certainly do. We are supposed to look only at separate incidents because they obscure the bigger picture.
Marxism delende est!
J.J.:
Yes, I’m aware of the endgame.
Neo is right on who will suffer most: poor black neighborhoods. They already do. Twelve miles from me, in two directions, downtown Durham and southeast Raleigh both suffer from frequent violence. In Durham, residents march against “gun violence” and demand that the city “do something” about it. Meanwhile, when police apprehend criminals, alive or not, there’s an outcry against police brutality.
My 20% black neighborhood won’t suffer. My neighbors are homeowners and responsible employees or entrepreneurs. Same for our 10% Asian immigrant households. They’re just like the rest of us, except for the cooking smells wafting towards the street at dinner time.
J.J. has the right of it. The immediate goal is to prepare the public for the federalization of police forces. In order to accomplish that goal, the violence has to spread into white suburbs and gated communities.
It’s already started, the Canary in the Coalmine was this incident; “Oakland Asian family robbed in disturbing home invasion” https://www.hopclear.com/oakland-asian-family-robbed-in-disturbing-home-invasion/
As has long been the case in South American societies, kidnappings of the wealthy will begin. Bill Gates regularly stops at a local to-go hamburger joint making him an easy target. Warren Buffet still lives in the modest home he grew up in, another easy target. Then there are the media ‘celebrities’ and politicians…
I wonder how many of hollywood’s former notables like Rob Reiner currently have bodyguards? I imagine fewer than you might think. No doubt that will change.
The end goal is indeed a Marxist State. Euphemistically rebranded a Socially ‘Just’ State.
Pretty bold statement Spartacus. Hundreds?
I don’t think Ray was casting stones in his observations. Your attack does not reflect well. But, aren’t you fortunate that you use a pejoriative such as “Honky” and not pay consequences?
No one disputes that Progressive policies have contributed to the problems within the Black community in America. Unintended consequences. We should all applaud those like Thomas Sowell, Justice Thomas, and Dr Ben Carson who beat the system. We should also recognize that they are the exception rather than the rule.
Speaking of failed systems that enable anti-social behavior, I recommend this very short video of a Black woman illustrating a core element contributing to the Black problem–with graphic examples.
(Guess you have to copy/paste the video URL–and sit through about 30 seconds of ads to watch.)
https://youtu.be/8G6nx2Q6G0M
with critical race theory, progressive mathematics, abandonment of constitutional principals, how do you think we will get there, they are pushing the whole sale deconstruction of all of the institution, the beachhead was in the 80s, with the first wave of constructivist (non knowledge based) curriculum, then nclb, and finally common core, I call it rotten core, they know less, but are more confident of more things, like 57 genders, climate change, ‘sky dragon’ worship and more,
Why, Chauvin himself, of course.
And then working and middle class White People.
Blacks will keep on trucking, just more so. This ‘Poor Blacks will suffer most’ nonsense is pathological altruism — one of the root causes of what ails the West today. If you can’t look to yourself first, there’s really not much more to be said.
Oldflyer:
Who put you in charge of attributing “consequences” for wrong think and bad speak? Maybe Ray can cipher that out. He’s an EE of some sort, undoubtedly a genius who will find the solution, being smarter than the average bear, don’t you know.
So if honky’s are so smart how come South and Central Asians get the bulk of technical degrees? It is a culture and not a genetic reason.
Bachelor’s degrees in engineering issued to resident students in the United States (2017 / 18)
white: 72,484
black: 4,836
hispanic: 12,777
Oriental / East Indian: 14,080
In the first three months of 2021 there have been 213 people shot to death by police. Of those 30 were black (14%, very close to the actual black population). We don’t hear anything about the rest unless it is local news.
Here is a good analysis of the last six years of statistics regarding race and police shootings…
The Truth About Police Shootings in America https://t.co/LDYNpnUYCT
Maybe I should start posting links to Gab posts listing all the current Black on White murder and rape details which get censored out of daily news feeds. Something new and wonderful most days. Never a dull moment.
Hello. I suppose the proximate answer to the question Neo poses here is the police themselves. I’ve been trying to imagine what the day-to-day of a patrol officer would look like insofar as it would be in any way different after State of Minnesota vs. Chauvin, D.
My feeling at this point, having chewed on it over the past 28 hours or so – and my feeling is certainly not set in stone necessarily – is that it wouldn’t actually be such a massive change, in terms of some of the rather apocalyptic predictions I’m seeing to the effect that cops will just ignore criminality as much as possible, at least in certain neighborhoods. Although it’s possible that that could become an effect if certain reasonable-looking adaptations to the new order are implemented (will get to that in a moment).
What do I see as a likely outcome? Well, obviously police will become at least a little more likely to handle suspects gingerly, especially if the suspect is brown. I suppose in those cases in which police have to deal with palefaced suspects, the level of daintiness might not change, but I’m not sure if it’s realistically possible for cops on the beat to calibrate their use-of-force and other responses base on the suspect’s race that quickly or easily. But in any event, one thing that I do expect is that responses will be, in every way, more or less officially stratified by the race of the suspect. This may not happen in the next year or two, but given the way things seem to be going almost everywhere in this country, with the racialization of pretty much every economic and social phenomenon in the offing (and increasingly being written into law – not so much by the legislatures, maybe, but by the courts above all, and by the administrative state in turn)… well, I don’t want to get into the weeds as far as my big-picture prognostications about race relations go. Have to keep some focus here, otherwise I’ll be typing all night and no one wants that.
But anyway, to a first approximation, police actions and responses increasingly calibrated explicitly by race, officially or otherwise. That’s point one. Point two: police will be forced (if they want to keep their jobs) to expose themselves to greater levels of physical risk because they’ll be expected, I think, to coddle the more problematic brown suspects in particular. I have an image, for example, of something like the G. Floyd arrest, but imagine how that whole sequence of events would have played out if the officers had been expected to essentially restrict themselves to polite requests – sir, would you please exit the vehicle; sir, would you please get into the patrol car; (20 minutes later) sir, please get into the patrol car; (30 minutes later) etc. In other words, police will now be expected to do more and more rigorous ‘de-escalation’ across the board, making arrests more of a negotiating process – I suppose this would be a sign in the eyes of some that the police would then be showing proper “respect”, never mind the fact that the suspect, as putative citizen, is not at the same time being expected to show proper respect to the duly constituted governing authority.
But as to the risk aspect, if an officer is supposed to approach a suspect who’s acting out a little bit with only and ever a minimum-level-of-force attitude – and we mean here absolute minimum – is it not conceivable that the officer is going to have to be willing to take a certain amount of physical interaction and be essentially required to drop his or her defenses to some extent? Not necessarily to the point of being violently attacked by the suspect, although that could and will surely happen; but say an officer is called upon to break up a fistfight or something – if this, I’ll call it doctrine of absolute minimum force has to be adhered to, if nothing else, the officer will inevitably take a certain amount of collateral damage from even simply random punches that the two pugilists are trying for all they’re worth to direct at each other, but the cop necessarily has to get into the middle, so anything could happen. And the officer is going to be expected to just suck it up.
Which, I suppose, could lead to the even wider use of things like body armor – passive defensive measures for patrol officers even in their day-to-day routine. They won’t be allowed to take pre-emptive action themselves, only to react. Getting pulled over by a state trooper, for example, it’s nice for a normal person to be able to interact with a normally-dressed officer, just uniform, badge, normal equipment, maybe the classic hat, etc. That same interaction with the same officer, now decked out all the time in Kevlar and a riot helmet just for his own safety because he’s no longer allowed to control or initiate anything, is going to be a little less relaxed for all concerned.
(let’s see, how long is this so far… yikes…)
The other thing that I think could happen is that urban police departments will conclude that it’s just simplest not to send white officers to brown neighborhoods at all. If a given department lacks sufficient numbers of brown or at least browner patrol officers to cover the necessary shifts in those areas, well, too bad. And of course if the diversity hiring program is lagging behind targets somewhat, that’s naturally the police department’s fault and some penalties will be conjured up by the mayor or what have you. As a corollary, I can even imagine scenarios in which, say, a white cop pulls over a motorist on a routine traffic stop, walks up to the car, finds that the driver is browner than he expected, and then has to pause and call for a brown backup, either because only brown cops will be allowed to arrest or otherwise deal with brown suspects, or because the presence on the scene of a brown fellow officer over the entire interaction will be either perceived as unofficially necessary for some political CYA for the white cop (I think this less likely because all the police would have to account officially for their time on the clock), or at the very least the white cop will be permitted by regulation to continue interacting with our hypothetical brown civilian only in the presence of a monitoring brown cop.
I note, too, that this possibility of a shortfall in patrolling in certain neighborhoods can easily feed into the ideas expressed here about federalization of police (see Geoffrey B., Neo, and J. J. above), in that such a consequence could be seized upon by Wokington (especially if the evolution of a sort of quasi-Apartheid regime in the USA proceeds as I suspect it might) as an excuse to muscle into cities that can’t muster up “enough” brown police to “help” them make up the shortfall using cops from some sort of new National Police and Social Justice Force, who of course would in no way be answerable to the municipality, its citizens, or its existing LE command structure. Indeed, I wonder if the Feds would find it easier to implement their dream state in this way rather than simply replacing the odd local police department wholesale, as the latter might be too burdensome for them.
Phillip Sells. Yes, the restriction on the mid-level uses of force require either backing off or going to the really serious things like shooting. One of the characteristics of recent issues is the perp fighting the cops. Had he been controlled, somehow, he’d be alive today.
There was some footage from a year plus ago. Two cops trying to get a guy out of his car. Spent a quarter of an hour yelling, pulling, dragging, and so forth. Guy got about four seconds with one hand free, retrieved a pistol from under the seat, killed one cop and wounded the other. Guy was white.
That’s what batons are for, but they’re bad optics.
A reply to Sowell on race and IQ.
Claim: Flynn effect is not relevant. Claim: the best evidence bearing on the issue is black children raised with white parents. Findings? Doesn’t made a difference in outcome. Third claim: Sowell doesn’t grasp Arthur Jensen, who strongly argues against hundreds of articles that purport that inheritance doesn’t matter.
https://the-boomer-tribune.medium.com/thomas-sowells-arguments-on-race-c177757d6b8e
Not having read Jensen, nor have I read the adoption studies, I take no stance on the debate. I’ll only note that there apparently is one.
Additionally, I’ll note that contrary to Flynn, IQs are falling in recent decades.
I’m mystified by this. (As are others. We ought to have better if not the best data! But could there be activist sabotage at work? Pre Wokery?)
Who will suffer? Poor people, particularly blacks, in Democrat run medium to large cities, and the police in those places.
“In the first three months of 2021 there have been 213 people shot to death by police. Of those 30 were black (14%, very close to the actual black population). We don’t hear anything about the rest unless it is local news.
Here is a good analysis of the last six years of statistics regarding race and police shootings…
The Truth About Police Shootings in America https://t.co/LDYNpnUYCT”
As was said on Tucker last night, stats and logical reasoning aren’t going to get you anywhere. They don’t care about data (it’s RACIST! BTW). All they care about is the narrative. And if it’s a lie, so what? Arguing with data and reason with these people is pissing into the wind.
Did you see the bodycam? That girl in pink was going to be carved up like a Halloween pumpkin! There was a fully grown man running the heck away from the fight. Can’t say I blame him.
^^ Reminds one of The Latest Decalogue:
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Thou shalt not kill; but need’st not strive
Officiously to keep alive…
Cappy – the video I saw had a man going after the girl on the ground, trying to stomp on her, near her head. He should be arrested for assault.
The response today is basically that they should have not stopped the girl… they were mad the cops showed up… ok… fine… then the cops should stop showing up to black communities… let them kill each other… they do not want the police to respond, show up, do a thing… so maybe its time the cops should not show up??
they are saying the girl was murdered…
they are saying the cops should do something other than shoot (what i dont know)
they are saying kids have had knife fights for ages, so its ok to have teenage knife fights
Its time we give them what they want…
IF the people living there want police, then they should do something about the people who dont want them… there is nothing else to do but stop showing up… and restrict responses to those areas that want a response… (and no complaints how police only go to white areas, asian areas, spanish areas, etc).
Philip Sells on April 21, 2021 at 10:47 pm said: As a corollary, I can even imagine scenarios in which, say, a white cop pulls over a motorist on a routine traffic stop, walks up to the car, finds that the driver is browner than he expected, and then has to pause and call for a brown backup, either because only brown cops will be allowed to arrest or otherwise deal with brown suspects, or because the presence on the scene of a brown fellow officer over the entire interaction will be either perceived as unofficially necessary for some political CYA for the white cop
This will not work… I have previously reported the reason why over the years by actually detailing te conversations and claims in various groups that dont bubble up to everyone. in this case, the point made was how the leaders of these movements have claimed that the system and laws were made by white men, and so are not valid for black men (and or women, lgbtq, abcdefg… )… so the idea that a black officer would change this is null and void given that he would be enforcing white mans laws…
avi on April 21, 2021 at 3:39 pm said:
I wonder how this is going to play out in the rich, liberal, mainly white neighborhoods of Minneapolis. They could be easy pickings without police protection.
They will be told that they have made an “unplanned donation” to a person or persons who needed it more than they do and have to accept it, while paying a higher insurance premium
Oldflyer on April 21, 2021 at 4:22 pm said:
By what logic do you convict a man of murder and manslaughter for the same action?
None… the jury was sending a message without verbalizing it… we are afraid of the mob, and the state is not doing anything about this mob, and has no onus to protect us, so anyone put before us is guilty of everything. this will lead to a mistrial and be someone elses problem.
TJ on April 22, 2021 at 1:49 am said: could there be activist sabotage at work? Pre Wokery?
feminists started on white males a long time ago – they were exposed on a channel of teachers and admins bragging as to the damage they were doing
last night there came out a discussion on a tape recording of a teacher and an administrator talking about how they are basically damaging the white boys.. (now is it any wonder that they grow up and do mass shooting?)
One thing I don’t think we’ve tried yet is a variation on the policy instituted on college campuses sometime in the past decade regarding dating. Remember that? Having to ask permission?
May I hold your hand?
May I kiss you?
May I remove your blouse? Etc., etc., etc.
The new version would be for a police car to roll up to a fight in progress and speaking over the loudspeaker on the car’s system (which would be recorded for future use), the officer would ask:
May I get out of this patrol car?
May I approach the individuals who are fighting?
May I request identification from them?
Right up to: “May I shoot this one here?”
Yeah, we laugh. But we’re moving in that direction.
I forget where but read that already certain actions taken by cops will have to have supervision approval before acting.
The police are going to stop going to “in progress” calls and just take their time to arrive to just take the report (at least those who can’t retire or find a supportive agency to work for).
hi, artfldgr. Re: your point @ 11:23: I think you misunderstand the point I was making. Having the brown/black cop as third wheel, so to speak, would not have the purpose of making a black suspect more agreeable. If it did work out that way, then great, but no – the point would be to provide the necessary political cover and ‘cred’ for the police, especially for the white police. From that PR-related point of view, it might work just fine.
Jack – it was Mayor Lightfoot in Chicago.
And as to the points made by F:
The Babylon Bees have those covered, of course, both for real and for satire.
Snopes et al. can’t tell the difference, and it’s getting hard for me.
If I wasn’t familiar with the writing style at both sites, I would not always know which one was the exaggeration.
https://notthebee.com/article/chicago-seriously-might-start-requiring-cops-to-get-permission-from-a-supervisor-before-chasing-a-suspect-on-foot
https://babylonbee.com/news/chicago-police-now-required-to-ask-for-consent-before-arresting-someone
This one addresses the comment by physicguy & how much we aren’t being told by the media and the BLM hustlers.
https://notthebee.com/article/i-think-you-should-read-these-few-pages-from-voddie-bauchams-new-book
Of course, you should read the Bees daily; they cover most of the hot topics and there are bonus features like this one. I think it’s probably Joe Biden at work sometime in the past. 😉
https://notthebee.com/article/this-poor-guy-was-just-tryna-fix-his-porch-and-he-ended-up-turning-himself-into-a-looney-tunes-cartoon