The Nineteen Eighty-Four election, and the control of history
[NOTE: The first part of this post is a repost of something I originally published on 11/11/2019, a little over a year ago. I think it’s interesting to look back at it in the light of what’s happened since. I’ve added an entirely new portion at the end as well.]
This is the Nineteen Eighty-Four election, according to Victor Davis Hanson:
It is becoming a stark choice between a revolutionary future versus American traditionalism.
I don’t think there’s any “becoming” about it. This has been true of elections ever since at least 2008 and perhaps earlier. After all, remember “hope and change” and Obama’s “fundamental transformation” of this country?
Some of this transformation had already occurred, of course, with events such as the reform of immigration laws during the 1960s. I’m not going to argue about when it really began – for example, you could start with Wilson or TR the “progressive,” or you could talk about FDR or the income tax or even the popular election of senators – but now it’s reached a sort of fever pitch and is far more open in its manifestations and goals.
More from Hanson:
The choice in reductionist terms will be one between a growing, statist Panopticon, fueled by social media, a media-progressive nexus, and an electronic posse. Online trolls and government bureaucrats seek to know everything about us, in Big Brother fashion to monitor our very thoughts to ferret out incorrect ideas, and then to regiment and indoctrinate us to ensure elite visions of mandated equality and correct behavior—or else!
In other words, the personality quirks of a Trump or an Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders will become mostly irrelevant given the existential choice between two quite antithetical ideas of future America. In 2020 we will witness the penultimate manifestation of what radical progressivism has in store for us all—and the furious, often desperate, and unfettered pushback against it.
We are also well beyond even the stark choices of 1972 and 1984 that remained within the parameters of the two parties. In contrast, the Democratic Party as we have known it, is extinct for now. It has been replaced since 2016 by a radical progressive revolutionary movement that serves as a touchstone for a variety of auxiliary extremist causes, agendas, and cliques—almost all of them radically leftwing and nihilistic, and largely without majority popular support.
…Hanson discusses the aspect of this change that has resulted from indoctrination via the school system. He emphasizes universities, but the rot now goes all the way down to the youngest students:
Our universities effectively have eroded the First Amendment and the due process protections of the Fifth in matters of sexual assault allegations. Higher education is now controlled by a revolutionary clique. It institutionalizes racially segregated dorms and safe spaces, matter of factly promotes censorship, and either cannot or will not prevent students from disrupting lecturers with whom they disagree. What or who exactly say not to all that? Who would dare say that America in its third century is not going to change its use of English pronouns or decide that there are not three and more biological genders?
One of the problems is that it may be too late, and that’s true even if Trump is re-elected. Is his unique (to say the least) personality a mere speed bump along the way to leftist domination? In my darker hours I very much fear it may be:
Like it or not, 2020 is going to be a plebiscite on an American version of Orwell’s Nineteen-Eighty-Four. One side advocates a complete transformation not just of the American present but of the past as well. The Left is quite eager to change our very vocabulary and monitor our private behavior to ensure we are not just guilty of incorrect behavior but thought as well.
The other side believes America is far better than the alternative, that it never had to be perfect to be good, and that, all and all, its flawed past is a story of a moral nation’s constant struggle for moral improvement.
The election is almost exactly one year from now.
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That was the end of the original post. Now I will add that, speaking of “One side advocates a complete transformation not just of the American present but of the past as well”: one of Biden’s very first acts via executive order will apparently be to dissolve the Trump-appointed 1776 Commission, a group that sought to counter the lies of the 1619 Project. And its recently issued report was removed from the White House website on Inauguration Day, which tells you something important about the Biden administration’s priorities.
Victor Davis Hanson explains the report here:
…[A]t any other age than the divisive present, the report would not have been seen as controversial.
First, the commission offered a brief survey of the origins of the Declaration of Independence, published in 1776, and the Constitution, signed in 1787. It emphasized how unusual for the age were the founders’ commitments to political freedom, personal liberty and the natural equality endowed by our creator — all the true beginning of the American experiment.
The commission reminded us that the founders were equally worried about autocracy and chaos. So they drafted checks and balances to protect citizens from both authoritarianism, known so well from the British Crown, and the frenzy of sometimes wild public excess.
The report repeatedly focuses on both the ideals of the American founding and the centuries-long quest to live up to them. It notes the fragility of such a novel experiment in constitutional republicanism, democratic elections and self-government — especially during late-18th-century era of war and factionalism.
The report does not whitewash the continuance of many injustices after 1776 and 1787 — in particular chattel slavery concentrated in the South, and voting reserved only for free males.
Indeed, the commission explains why and how these wrongs were inconsistent with the letter and spirit of our founding documents. So it was natural that these disconnects would be addressed, even fought over, and continually resolved — often over the opposition of powerful interests who sought to reinvent the Declaration and Constitution into something that they were not.
The text of the report can be found here. And yes, of course left-leaning historians and the MSM have criticized the report. (By the way, when I used Google and DuckDuckGo to search for “1776 Commission Report text” and compared the results, they were widely divergent in exactly the way you might think.)
You may recall that in Orwell’s book one of the most urgent concerns of the government was to rewrite the past. The 1619 Project vs. the 1776 Report may seem trivial, but it is a fight over the past and therefore a fight about the basics of who we were and who we are today. This particular act of the Biden administration may seem small, but it is not. And they will wrap themselves in the cloak of patriotism while trying to make the false 1619 narrative become the law of the education land, spread in school after school, poisoning the air and a generation of children against their own country.
Allan Bloom nailed it nearly thirty-five years ago when he wrote this [emphasis and additions in brackets mine]:
Every educational system has a moral goal that it tries to attain and that informs its curriculum. It wants to produce a certain kind of human being. This intention is more or less explicit, more or less a result of reflection,; but even the neutral subject, like reading and writing and arithmetic, take their place in a vision of the educated person…Over the history of our republic, there have obviously been changes of opinion as to what kind of man is best for our regime…A powerful attachment to the letter and spirit of the Declaration of Independence gently conveyed, appealing to each man’s reason, was the goal of the education of democratic man…
But openness…eventually won out over natural rights [in education], partly through a theoretical critique, partly because of a political rebellion against nature’s last constraints. Civic education turned away from concentrating on the Founding to concentrating on openness based on history and social science. There was even a general tendency to debunk the Founding, to prove the beginnings were flawed in order to license a greater openness to the new. What began in Charles Beard’s Marxism and Carl Becker’s historicism became routine. We are used to hearing the Founders being charged with being racists, murderers of Indians, representatives of class interests. I asked my first history professor in the university, a very famous scholar, whether the picture he gave us of George Washington did not have the effect of making us despise our regime. “Not at all,” he said, “it doesn’t depend on individuals but on our having good democratic values.” To which I rejoined, “But you just showed us that Washington was only using those values to further the class interests of the Virginia squirearchy.” He got angry, and that was the end of it. He was comforted by a gentle assurance that the values of democracy are part of the movement of history and did not require his elucidation or defense. He could carry on his historical studies with the moral certitude that they would lead to greater openness and hence more democracy. The lessons of fascism and the vulnerability of democracy, which we had all just experienced, had no effect on him.
We are seeing the fruits of many decades of such education.
A couple of weeks ago, I reviewed a 1954 novel set in a future America (of 1990!) which is effectively ruled by the ‘social engineers’ of the Communications Administrative Department. The political system now in place is called Democratic Rule by Consent, and the business of the social engineers is to ensure that the people consent to what they’re supposed to consent to.
A little too close for comfort.
https://chicagoboyz.net/archives/64491.html
Ummm…. “I originally published on 11/11/2020, a little over a year ago”
11/11/2020 is a bit over TWO MONTHS ago.
I would encourage everyone to follow Chris Rufo’s posts on Twitter, and to read his chilling reports (available at City Journal) on the lamentable state of K-12 all over the nation. By background, he is a film-maker, but no journalist anywhere has done more important work on the corruption of the education of America’s youngsters (some still in grade school) by BLM/CRT/1619 race-baiting propaganda. His latest pieces concern the indoctrination of young children in Silicon Valley and in Missouri; what is frighteningly apparent is that this cancer has metastasized throughout the entire body politic, and, of course, the teachers’ unions are fully behind Harris/Biden and their obsession with so-called “equity” and “racial justice”.
Kenneth Mitchell:
Oops, 2019.
Thanks, will fix.
j e:
Fighting CRT in education..
It’s the economy, stupid.
Republicans gained seats in the U.S. House and would have likely held the Senate if not for Mitch McConnell.
Now imagine what’s going to happen as gas returns to $3 and up as the “new normal” and even big business struggles to find barely competent employees.
The political pivot point is that the top 1% may be insulated from the disastrous consequences of the Biden regime, but those folks between the 2% and 20% who think they’re insulated are about to find out how wrong they are.
I doubt they’ll ever admit how wrong they were about Trump, but I suspect it’s going to become damn hard to find many suburban white folks willing to admit voting for Biden in 2020.
Mike
“white folks” adds nothing.
“Icons for Liberty: The Radicalism of Political Place Naming Tradition Since The American Revolution and How Imperial Conquest Was Defeated.”
THIS thesis is my contribution to Truth telling, that I am too old and too ill-equiped to carry out, but which opens up a new set of neglected data points to identify and with which we can evaluate our Civilization as well as others.
The neglected data to be studied are political toponyms.
The idea is classical, simple, and direct. Everywhere any new regime takes power, it must establish hegemony. In order to secure its legitimacy, it needs to wipe out old memories and connections with place and the past to achieve this. If it fails, rebellion is sure to follow.
Thus, new names are imposed upon the lands and the people who live there. New memories replace the old one.
But what the American Revolution uniquely achieved was the setting of a new and different standard: instead of erasure (as seen in the 13 colonies), all new states (Except Washington state) are all named for French, Spanish, and especially native peoples’ names.
Why valorise the local names? Why remember them? Because here The People Rule, not the Monarchical, Aristocratic or Oligarchic Masters far away.
The American Revolution did not win in Canada. But it did change the Provincial naming process in the interior of the continent of the nation.
The findings of this thesis is a direct contradiction to the grandiose moral indictments claimed by the fatuous Left radicals.
This new subject matter means that offical documents and maps and gazetteers can all be re-investigated in order to research the historical reach of this radical change. Let the facts come out! Let the Truth be told!
VDH identified the election choice in 2020 as one between American tradition and a Revolutionary future:
“The choice in reductionist terms will be one between a growing, statist Panopticon, fueled by social media, a media-progressive nexus, and an electronic posse. Online trolls and government bureaucrats seek to know everything about us, in Big Brother fashion to monitor our very thoughts to ferret out incorrect ideas, and then to regiment and indoctrinate us to ensure elite visions of mandated equality and correct behavior—or else!”
If so — and recent event tell us that it’s true, then where does the New American Social Credit System stand compared with the original Communist one in China?
We live in an Information Age of social management. Is ours better or worse?
Felix Rex finds that ours is worse, more evil and unforgiving and dysfunctional than our planetary rival’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp-IODzScgM
I came across this link to the 1776 report in pdf format earlier today. Perhaps it’s of some use?
http://www.newamericancivilrightsproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/The-Presidents-Advisory-1776-Commission-Final-Report.pdf
““white folks” adds nothing.”
Sorry, but it does. This crisis is not one with roots in American minority communities. Until you recognize that this is about some white folks trying to assert their moral superiority over other white folks, you cannot understand the problem. If you can’t understand the problem, you can’t fix it.
Mike
Voters, not race of the voters, or is it all about melanin? Some people are aholes no matter what their color.
MBunge:
You are correct. Very simply put, this is a class war.
Oligarchs + their Managerialist Minions (= 90% GoodWhites™ + Opportunistic High Functioning Far Right Tail Immigrant NonWhites) vs. The Rest of us Whites (= BadWhites™)
The great chance that has come over Western politics since the end of the Cold War is that the GoodWhites™ have become Class Aware; they now see themselves as an entirely different people from the BadWhites™ and will say/do/perpetrate literally anything to convince themselves and their peers that they are not BadWhites™. This bodes very badly for the BadWhites™.
Immigrant Fellaheen Hordes + American Blacks are merely weapons unleashed by the GoodWhites™ to belabor and punish the BadWhites™ with. They have little real input into the strategizing and by virtue of who /what they are, are incapable of doing anything more than increasing local entropy wherever they go.
Not terribly interested in how the West got here today. It’s Complicated™. Plenty of blame to go all around.
Since Class War is interested in us, whether we like it or not, it’s time to think like we’re in one. And so the only question becomes that hoary old re-run:
What is to be Done?
“Voters, not race of the voters, or is it all about melanin? Some people are aholes no matter what their color.”
Stop focusing on how much you dislike me and think.
Trump did better with minority voters in 2020 than in 2016, yet lost by a great percentage of the popular vote. Trump lost because a greater percentage of white people voted against him. Trump the supposed white supremacist did better with minority voters and worse with white voters.
Those are the facts. Facts are what you have to grapple with if you want to understand and change the world. Your unthinking and reflexive rejection of these facts actually sort of demonstrates what I’m talking about.
Mike
Folks, do as the good man says please. No unpleasantness!
https://www.jns.org/opinion/its-time-to-stop-counting-jews-in-the-cabinet/
While I find this amusing in the extreme and would not consider developments post Moses Mendelssohn and Napoleon to be entirely upside for all concerned, it *is* a bit of a sideshow in the Current Year.
There’s plenty of Jews who are going to find themselves lumped in with the BadWhites™ come what may. Everyone has decisions to make.
Many of us here could also don GoodWhite™ Garb easily if we so desired.
Mind you, with reference to my post agreeing with MBunge above, make no mistake there *is* a Race War coming, like it or not.
But won’t be hyper autistic Black and White (ha) clear cut boundaries. There will be some exceptions. But, given that the GoodWhites™ are hell bent on punishing BadWhites™ using Diversity as the bludgeon there are going to be strong racial issues shall we say going forward.
But, never forget that a segment of the White Population consciously willed and brought this thing upon us. It may be necessary to fight and cow the dusky hordes, but it is the GoodWhites™ we need to ultimately defeat. It’s them or us.
I hate to tell this author this news but federal courts struck down the practice of all black dorms nearly forty years ago. His comments implied that this is an ongoing practice. I’m sure the Civil Rights Division of DOJ would like to know if that’s the case.
Mr Bunge:
Think before you write and consider that your opinion is not the same as a fact. Trump got 10 million more votes in 2020 than 2016. Creepy Joe got 80 million votes? Otay Buckwheat. Both are “facts” to you. One of those things is not like the other.
We are stuck with Creepy Joe and the Ho, that is not an opinion. You can blame that outcome on the “white suburban folks.” I’ll look at Democrat practices in PN, GA, MI, WI, and AZ. Which do you think will produce a better result next time; fixing the voting process or blaming the melanin? It’s black and white. One of those things can’t be changed by the way, IMO.
And Zaphod circles back to Jews? WTF is up with that? Smoking something in Hong Kong?
“fixing the voting process or blaming the melanin?”
I’m sorry. I forget sometimes that you genuinely aren’t that bright. Let me dumb it down further for you.
I’m not suggesting a greater percentage of white people voted against Trump because they were somehow genetically predisposed to do so. I doubt anyone else reading what I wrote would have been stupid enough to assume that, but there’s always you. Let me again try by rephrasing things as though I were dealing with a dim-witted and overly emotional child.
If you want to win elections and, in the most recent one, your preferred candidate running for re-election did BETTER with population subgroups B, C, and D but lost by doing WORSE with population subgroup A, it’s really important to understand why that happened. That’s because the goal is to keep doing whatever attracted more support from population subgroups B, C, and D while trying to address whatever diminished support from population subgroup A.
It’s impossible to do that, however, if you are intellectually paralyzed when someone uses the term “suburban white folks” instead of “population subgroup A.”
Mike
@Om:
I’m only repeating a Jew asking Jews to please stop mentioning that Jews are all over the Biden Administration. Why he would do that is anyone’s guess. I couldn’t possibly speculate. He points out the same was true of the Trump Administration. Plus ca change.
If you bother to actually *read* me rather than knee-jerk, you might begin to grasp that I do not see Jews as being some malign Man Behind the Curtain. Jews just gonna do what Jews are inclined to do for both plenty of good and some bad. Their motivations and interests may not always coincide with those of Legacy Americans, but that’s not to say that they’re totally incompatible. To pretend that they don’t exist and don’t exert disproportionate influence in American politics / Wall Street / Silicon Valley is disingenuous. Slapping down anyone who mentioned the Jews actually just helps breed fever swamp conspiracy theorists — something I am not.
Jews need to be just like the BadWhites™ illuminated from all sides and studied from top to bottom and viewed Warts and all. Doing the ‘You’re Hitler’ thing on anyone who tries to limn the Jewish Milet in the USA’s whacked out Ottoman Milet System Lite just helps divert attention from the fundamental Oligarchs+GoodWhites+Fellaheen vs. BadWhites battle. Also making Jews unmentionable and uncriticisable just further encourages fever swamp nutjobbery amongst a small fraction of the BadWhites — further helping the other side.
It’s complicated. You need to be too. Dig into your DNA and grab ahold of some of that supposed subtlety.
As a further contribution to the Melanin Debate going on above.
We don’t want this to be about Skin Colour.
But if this thing is forced upon us, like it or not, Skin Colour will become one’s uniform. In civil war there is no time to ask for a statement of beliefs and intent every time you meet a new face.
It will be hard enough for GoodWhites and BadWhites to identify friend or foe. Everything other opportunity for cognitive short circuiting and chunking will be jumped at.
Not very nice. But that’s how it goes. Exigencies.
Smart people don’t want to go there. Our Overlords sure think they are smart. Never a good sign.
Apposite Post here from Z Man about Becoming Ungovernable:
https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=22596
The more obsessively scrupulous amongst you BadWhites who have been carefully (*) taught to hate the idea of Being White, could perhaps imagine that you’re Gandhi engaging in more or less passive resistance to the Raj. Would that work for you? 😀
Interesting song, ‘You have to be carefully taught’… Gets the arrow of causality completely backwards and is itself an example of Very Carefully Designed and Administered Pedagogy. Hmm… 🙂
Zaphod:
Your magic DNA to the rescue again like your Magic Dirt, or just code to cover flimsy thoughts? Try substituting “people” for “Jews” and magic “Legacy Americans.”
How many generations does it take to become a “Legacy American?” Do you get a Legacy American certificate and special privileges? Come sir, explain more. Does the magic Zaphod DNA have any non-Legacy American contamination, shudder? Does Legacy American status extend to offspring if you mate with a non-certified Legacy American? Don’t be shy, serious people want to know how to live into the Legacy future.
Drspock:
Something you might like to know: see this, this, this, and this, just to take a few examples.
Mr Burge:
I forget, you get insulted when someone doesn’t agree with your profundity. Oh to be an unrecognized genius must be a constant irritant. But enough about you. You can’t dumb down a dumb idea and make it not dumb. Clear enough for you to grasp?
Have a good day and
Keep on the sunny side of life, always on the sunny side of life, it will help you on your way ,,,, you know the song.
Om:
The Magical Zaphod Uebermenschliches DNA is an ungodly misch-masch of Anglo (ho-hum) / Celtic (can’t win ‘em all) / (quelle horreur!) Litvak.
So you might imagine I score low on Big 5 Trait Agreeableness. Bolshie *and* Stiff-Necked. Who woulda thunk?
Therefore you might want to consider just how much of a valuable investment of your time it is to belabor me with ad hominems.
Personally I’m more interested in finding ways forward from where we are now.
Pax.
Anyone finding me too much to stomach could always head over to National Review to read a Bengali by name of Avik Roy lecturing us on how to Restore the Conservative Conscience. YMMV.
Still, he did work for Bain Capital and JPMorgan Chase, so you just know he’s got your interests at heart. Now you might think from preceding sentence that there’s a chance that he could be Mitt Romney’s Bitch… and you would be right. But then again if you can’t stomach the clear eyed view of what’s coming down what pike, probably best to go snuggle up to Mitt anyway.
“The commission reminded us that the founders were equally worried about autocracy and chaos. So they drafted checks and balances to protect citizens from both authoritarianism, known so well from the British Crown, and the frenzy of sometimes wild public excess.”
The parallel to today is blatantly obvious. The american Left in its moment of triumph is vigorously imposing the ‘seeds’ of its own demise.
“Stabbing Hector’s Corpse”
“Americans hate one thing more than a sore loser, and that is an arrogant, vindictive—and bullying—winner.”
By Victor Davis Hanson
https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/20/stabbing-hectors-corpse/
MBunge,
“Trump lost because a greater percentage of white people voted against him.”
That is a factually untrue assertion. Which begs the question, do you actually believe that to be true?
I confess to being uncertain as to whether you’re that foolish or simply so biased that you’re unable to see past it. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and vote for the latter…
As to my claim that your assertion is factually untrue, when you see a massive amount of smoke rising up just over a hill, but out of sight… count on it, something is burning.
“I suspect it’s going to become damn hard to find many suburban white folks willing to admit voting for Biden in 2020.” – MBunge
I think the key adjective is “suburban” not “white.” Plenty of other middle-class racial groups are not going to be happy with Biden’s EOs — it’s a class war, remember?
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/01/21/political-strategist-explains-why-he-loves-president-bidens-executive-order-on-trans-women-in-girls-sports/
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/01/21/are-the-suburbs-having-fun-yet-n314135
Zaphod:
When you cite magic DNA and Legacy Americans don’t tuck your tail and claim ad hominem. Some of my ancestors were in VA in the late 1700’s, some got off the boat from Sweden in the early 1900’s, so much for Legacy Americanism.
AesopFan:
It *is* a class war. Still, how many (dot) Indians do you realistically imagine ending up in a foxhole with you? How many do you interact with personally/professionally? Based on my experiences I’d predict very @#$#@ing few of them will side with BadWhites. They’ll mostly pile on. Ultimate striving opportunists… these are people who have managed to take over the Antwerp Diamond Quarter in a generation. When you think about who they took it from and how long *they* had been running that show, better quake in your boots.
More luck with the East Asians perhaps. Wouldn’t write them all off.
Everyone gets to pick a side. Once. Won’t be many second-chances.
Looks like a good thread for this example (h/t PowerLine)
“How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?’
‘Four.’
‘And if the party says that it is not four but five—then how many?’
‘Four.”
https://spectator.us/topic/terrifying-scourge-multiracial-whiteness/?utm_source=Spectator+USA+Email+Signup&utm_campaign=e5b4e390e9-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_8_31_2020_19_27_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_edf2ae2373-e5b4e390e9-154751589&mc_cid=e5b4e390e9
by Cockburn
Even if you have read other commentary on the WaPo article (because we don’t give them clicks by reading the original), check out his masterly fisking.
BONUS post, just because it came up on the search for the Orwell quote:
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/seventy-years-later-its-still-1984
Not yet – we may have a couple of more weeks to go before the Bidenistas really get rolling.
They seem to have hit the ground running, with their pre-prepared Executive Orders ready to go on Day One.
“I forget, you get insulted when someone doesn’t agree with your profundity.”
So…you actually DO understand what I was writing now and are embarrassed that I had to dumb it down for you in such a public way.
Just to complete the lesson, when I referred to you as an example of what I’m talking about, what I mean is that your kneejerk reaction pretty much proved that you’ve internalized the idea that “Good people don’t talk about race.” Now, while racial discussions and ruminations can turn very ugly very quickly, pretending race doesn’t exist foolishly limits your capacity to comprehend the world around you.
And when I write “race doesn’t exist,” I mean exists as a cultural, psychological, historical, societal reality. Race from a scientific/biological perspective is, of course, a bunch of bunk.
Mike
I scrolled through the comments at PowerLine about the Multiracial Whiteness idiocy, and found (as always) some very astute observations and one very appropriate anecdote.
This is for the people who keep claiming that conservatives didn’t ever push back — they did; the idiots are just too numerous to overcome.
Martin said:
Some “journal” would certainly publish it, and many fools would believe it.
Of course, the kernel of truth is that white people of the misnamed “liberal” faction ARE practicing systemic racism against actual non-white people.
Martinaz: “I guess Oreo is kind of limiting.”
Mr Bunge:
You seemed to have missed this concept:
Dumbing down a dumb argument doesn’t make the argument wise (correct, profound, insightful) even when it is your argument.
As Aesop Fan noted there are more than just white voters in the suburbs now.
Try to check the insults, or not. That’s your choice.
Keep on the sunny side, always on the sunny side, always on the sunny side of life, ….
“Race from a scientific/biological perspective is, of course, a bunch of bunk.”
Put your money where your mouth is when it comes to medication dosages, organ transplants, etc.
Good Luck.
Mike Bunge – your 4:37 post is spot on “I doubt they’ll ever admit how wrong they were about Trump, but I suspect it’s going to become damn hard to find many suburban white folks willing to admit voting for Biden in 2020.”
Just like people saying they voted for Carter starting in 1979. That is why I will always remind them. “You voted for it.”
I live in Oakland County Michigan and Biden did better than Hillary with the 1%-20% economic strata by about 20K looking at Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills as a proxy. Many of them are not white. In and of itself this did not win Michigan for Biden because Trump stomped his 2016 numbers in Macomb and Kent counties that overcame his 2020 Oakland county deficit. Only in Wayne Country where I was a personal witness to voting fraud did Biden win. To state otherwise is to spout the corporatist line. You are smarter than that.
It is just not feasible that Trump got a minimum of 10M votes more than 2016 and that the 1%-20% upper strata turned out in such numbers for Biden to have 15M more on a gross basis. It was fraud by the deep state, coordinated and planned.
This is a very erudite and thoughtful board. If people have trouble with your arguments step back and examine how you put them together. That is what I do.
Come on, man! You can’t go into the White House without a slight Corn Pop accent.
“Come on, man! You can’t go into the White House without a slight Corn Pop accent.”
Or callused knees, a pillow, and some elbow grease.
I’m short Cornpone futures and long Chapatis.
Naan but the Lonely Heart, opening soon at a drive-by near you.
AesopFan,
Re: “at a time when political dishonesty is rampant, we should remember “1984’s” most important lesson: The state can occupy your mind.”
A mind grounded in principles consistent with logic and reason cannot, short of compulsion, be ‘occupied’ by an ideology that rests upon a deeply flawed rationale.
Enough torture can break anyone but a mind so coerced has not been persuaded. There’s a great deal of difference between compulsory acceptance and zealotry.
Would you like paneer with that, White Boy?
(Shakes Head)
Oops.. you just said Yes in Keralese.
The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk–
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.
The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control–
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.
The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.
This was my father’s belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf–
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine. <<— Naan and Arack, you peasant!
My 2nd attempt at posting on this; not sure how the 1st attempt got lost?
I found the 1776 report here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/The-Presidents-Advisory-1776-Commission-Final-Report.pdf
Another link was provided by a Hillsdale College email to their site, but maybe its URL was so long that that is why my 1st posting did not go thru?
Authoritarians never seem to learn. By deleting and denigrating this report, it will now be downloaded for safe keeping by more people, and presumably read by more people, than would have been the case if they had just “let sleeping dogs lie.”
R2L:
I scan Chapter 4 in table of contents and I don’t see anything about an Immigration Moratorium for a generation or three.
Is there something in there? Or can I just TL;DR it as being irrelevant because will do nothing for addressing demographic drift?
“This is a very erudite and thoughtful board.” – Spartacus
Not flattery, just facts! 😉
On the demographics of the election (IF we take the results at face value), Trump did win the “white” vote, just at a lower percentage than in 2016.
I used the Guardian to set the overall context.
“Results” are presented differently according to how the reporters grouped the demographic categories.
“Margins” changed for some groups in some states, but the overall totals showed white support for Trump over Biden.
You have to make sure you are not only comparing apples to apples (not oranges) but apple buckets to apple buckets.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/05/us-election-demographics-race-gender-age-biden-trump
I note that one now-unfindable post attributed “all” of Biden’s popular vote win to new voters, in the same way that Hillary’s popular vote total topped Trump’s by the population of Los Angeles.
https://www.brookings.edu/research/2020-exit-polls-show-a-scrambling-of-democrats-and-republicans-traditional-bases/
I think some of those numbers are interesting but counter-intuitive.
Blue-collar white men, major beneficiaries of Trump’s economic and social policies, liked him less this year? Hillary had fewer WFCG voters than Biden?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-made-gains-in-every-demographic-except-for-white-men/ar-BB1aJ1Rs
“We don’t want this to be about Skin Colour.
But if this thing is forced upon us, like it or not, Skin Colour will become one’s uniform.” – Zaphod
The whole idea of “multiracial whiteness” cuts across that theory, at least for the Left’s useful idiots.
Going one direction, they can’t assume every black or Hispanic or (choose your ethnicity / religion now designated as race) is “on their side.”
Going the other direction, with all the “woke white liberals” teaching CRT and supporting (commandeering?) BLM, could we not argue that we now also have “multiracial Blackness”?
So some melanin-challenged people are actually “on their side.”
And, of course, since we now have a growing number of black and Hispanic conservatives / Trump supporters, as shown by Republican gains in those demographics in the 2020 election and by increasingly prominent non-white pundits, conservatives also cannot use skin color as a distinguishing characteristic of the two (or more) sides.
“In civil war there is no time to ask for a statement of beliefs and intent every time you meet a new face.” – Zaphod
That’s why armies have uniforms, and guerrillas and terrorists usually don’t — keeping allegiances ambiguous plays to their advantage.
Closing thought: if both blackness and whiteness are multiracial, then Black Lives Matter = All Lives Matter.
Geoffrey – here is someone who doesn’t seem to be giving in to coercion.
(H/t PowerLine)
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0121/bershidsky012121.php3
Zaphod – Navalny seems to know this as well as Kipling did:
NOTE: “wanted” in your transcription should be “wonted”
https://www.bartleby.com/364/308.html
“In civil war there is no time to ask for a statement of beliefs and intent every time you meet a new face.” – Zaphod
So, as I called up Not the Bee out of the Internet Aether, what was the very first post?
If you said, “knitting clubs” you were close.
Here are some more of those multiracial white supremacists and their evil twins!
https://notthebee.com/article/mommy-wars-are-back-and-theyre-getting-political
Now go rub some salt in the wound.
https://notthebee.com/article/welp-here-it-is-the-most-truly-awful-thing-youll-see-on-the-internet-today
https://notthebee.com/article/this-is-a-real-article-from-the-new-york-times
https://notthebee.com/article/antifa-dot-com-now-redirects-to-the-white-house-website
https://notthebee.com/article/hey-jack-this-should-get-this-guy-banned-from-twitter-yeah
Remember my first post from The Spectator?
“what if the white supremacists aren’t white supremacists? What if they’re just a sundry array of people with different political beliefs and a tragic, delusional belief in Donald Trump?” – Cockburn
Okay, that last phrase was sarcastic.
Here we have a hero of multiracial-whiteness.
Or maybe just a guy with standards, principles, and values.
https://newsla.localad.com/2021/01/21/jason-whitlock-tells-tucker-carlson-i-compare-black-lives-matter-to-the-kkk-i-really-do/
It occurs to me that some readers may not know that Whitlock is black.
Here is another powerhouse interview from last November.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/jason-whitlock-tucker-carlson-media-racism
AesopFan @ 12:48 am “Navalny isn’t strong because he’s supported by Western leaders; his strength comes from being able to jettison the round-the-clock protection he got in Berlin courtesy of the German government – and fly completely defenseless to Russia, where he’d just barely survived an assassination attempt. There, the world can do nothing for him, if only because of Putin’s endless arsenal of dirty tricks. There, he stands only because he won’t kneel.”
It reminds me of Solzhenitsyn quote. “You only have power over people so long as you don’t take everything away from them. But when you’ve robbed a man of everything, he’s no longer in your power – he’s free again.”
Amazing from Tolstoy to Dostoyevsky to Chekov to Pasternak (if you believe he wrote Dr. Zhivago) to Solzhenitsyn the Russian authors deal with the human condition at such a spiritual level and the struggle between good and evil. Something about that Russian Orthodox outlook drives that creative tension.
By the way in Russian High Schools they are required to read the “Gulag Archipelago” according to Jordan Peterson. Looking what dreck our high schoolers have to read and wonder why we are so behind.
I have the 3 volume Gulag set and intend on reading them after I read “Satan and Marxism”. Reading Cicero at the moment. A man who was killed at the end of the Roman Republic. Getting kind of morbid aren’t I.
@AesopFan:
Navalny may well be a saint. I have no idea. But what he represents and what his success would bring to Russia is more of the Poz. More Pussy Riot throwing menstrual fluid around Orthodox Churches, more depravity, more of everything which the West sinks under. There seems to be some flaw in Western Liberalism which inevitably ends us up in that sewer no matter how pure our intentions at each step along the path. I wish it weren’t so. But seems to be that way.
Now, in my wildest youthful dreams I never thought I’d wake up one day to find myself an obscurantist authoritarian Slavophile… but here I stand. Putin is just a despot with a bunch of cronies. Least Bad Option. He doesn’t want or represent that which would in time erase his people and his country.
As for why Navalny is so popular in the West and why Putin is so demonised, I can only speculate. The world is full of impenetrable mysteries. Another such mystery being why Solzhenitsyn kind of became unpersoned in the West after his 1978 Harvard Commencement Address (he saw the Poz early on with far-seeing eyes) and why his later work Two Hundred Years Together hasn’t appeared in the West in an English language translation. *puts on best inscrutable Yul Brynner expression* It is a Puzzlement.
I’d also posit that anything involving Germans and Russians and the batting back and forth of the most famous Russian dissident du jour almost certainly involves some very cynical calculations about Russian Natural Gas. Russia has Europe by the balls thanks to the treachery of Gerhard Schroeder and later Merkel.
I don’t think the Germans think that Putin would knock Navalny on the head in broad daylight now. If Navalny could by some remote chance win out, he’d end up richer than God, and the Germans might sleep better at night — especially in Winter. Also Merkel would get to pocket the slush that Schroeder is getting now. She’s up for retirement soon. Not that GloboHomo Elites ever retire from sucking our blood.
Is totalitarianism nearly around the corner? Yes — it does take Big Government, Big media, and Big Tech.
But doesn’t it require overt control to make this power oppressively strangling? That’s not how it needs to work.
All that’s needed is an alignment of ideology and compatible coordination, and viola! So say the political experts interviewed by Peter Svab at the Epoch Times:
MORE frighteningly MORE “Ideological Alignment Pushing America Toward Totalitarianism, Experts Warn”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/one-party-rule-ideological-nexus-of-big-tech-big-media-big-government-is-totalitarianism-experts-say_3664663.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-20-5
People are getting what they voted for.
If you voted for Blue, you will get Blue
If you voted Trump/Q, you get Q/Trump.
Standing orders from your President is still in effect. Shelter in place, maintain food/water/power supplies for 2-4 weeks or 3 months if you are more religious, and develop some spiritual wisdom.
Humans are learning what humility means, that is all.
QAnon kills
even its shills
who really
need pills.
QAnon kills
even its shills
who really need
pills
or some coping
skills.
Ashli Babbitt RIP
Zaphod on January 22, 2021 at 12:07 am said:
I am drawing a blank on your reference to Chap. 4 and immigration. My comment concerned the 1776 Report, which does have a Chap. 4 that I just now scanned. It is pretty benign 1950’s or early 1960’s American History, but if immigration was mentioned there I missed it during my quick scan.
Perhaps you meant to address another commenter?
“On his first day in office, President Biden signed more than a dozen executive actions…”
“Another executive order issued Wednesday night will extend existing federal nondiscrimination protections to LGBTQ people. ”
This story is conflating Executive Actions with Executive Orders. They are not the same.
In fact, I see a bunch of stories that mix the two and some that point out they are not the same. Stupid media or gas lighting?
As of right now (10:11 PST) the Federal Reg. has not received any Biden EO’s
https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders
MBunge and om duke it out. Does race matter? Or not at all? Or does it matter sometimes in some ways?
“And when I write ‘race doesn’t exist,’ I mean exists as a cultural, psychological, historical, societal reality. Race from a scientific/biological perspective is, of course, a bunch of bunk.”
I’ll defend the third part of my trichotomy. Namely, race matters to strongly genetically driven characteristics like genetic diseases, eg, Tay Sacks among Jews; Sickle Cell Anemia among black people.
And it matters with IQ and criminal behavior. The Twins Raised Apart study at the University of Minnesota is the source of science, that is the behavioural genetics, that got Charles Murray into trouble in the mid-1990s (and almost ever since).p, in “The Bell Curve.”
But my classmate’s father, David T. Lykken, founded and led this study to re-do earlier efforts only longer, deeper, with better assessment tools. And the longitudinal study goes on, studying twins raised apart over most of their lives. (Hence my interest is longstanding.)
The key finding is this. Human inborn traits correlate between 0.2 (low) and 0.8 (high). When the twins raised apart research reached 100 subjects, the IQ positive (criminality negative) correlation was 0.7 — which is unusually high.
That was what Murray’s “The Bell Curve” reported on two pages of one very long book. Those were their findings at around 1990.
When the study reached 400 subjects, the correlation had increased to 0.78.
Somehow, when co-investigator Nancy [last name] published a general study with Harvard University Press (2008 or 9, I think), the settled correlation reported was 0.75.
Another finding is that IQ varies among classically defined races, and that these results are stable through the decades measuring this trait. And that this cardinal ordering — Sephardic Jew, East Asian, White, black, native or aboriginal — as we’ve seen reported in the past remains with us today.
Finally, it is worth adding that EVERY human emotional trait also exhibits some (ie, more or less) genetic loading (or determination).
This, therefore, constitutes an omnipresent noise among humans wherever we hope to find reasonableness.
Thus for me, race matters sometimes and in some ways — but not others. Sweeping generalisations only muddy the truth.
Confusion is understandable. But conflation or dissimulation about the evidence ought not to be excused.
TJ:
Context is a useful thing: “suburban white folks” started this contention. As it played out it seemed that one must not question whether “white” added value to the argument. The important thing is not to question the authority?
As to your comment at 3:51, that ground has been well plowed by many on this blog.
TJ, humanity’s understanding of genetics is still at the first grade level, if not the kinder garten level.
TJ and Zaph, can anyone here help out Om from their mental and emotional breakdown? I am skipping past them to adhere to my own banishment execution, so I can’t do much about it now.
https://www.amren.com/features/2021/01/an-open-letter-to-trump-supporters/
In many ways, Q (Qanon=fake news) was countering and pacifying the Alt Right’s white nationalism and “race supremacism” reaction to the Left’s POWER is in racism antics.
Now that people want to get off the hopium, they now choose the Amren (alt right) black pill. Q was and is a multi national, multi patriotic, world wide movement. That somehow converged with T Red’s conservative movement. Just like the ALt Right although from another direction.
Interesting.
QAnon kills, Yammer, and yet you peddle it.
Ashli Babbitt RIP
Jason Whitlock just doubled down.
(see my comment January 22, 2021 at 1:09 am)
Bravest man in America today.
https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/whitlock-i-stand-by-my-comparison-of-blm-to-the-kkk–no-matter-who-might-object
A Panopticon is a perfect image for the relationship between government and it’s citizenry that the left wants to build. Thank you for that reminder of VDH’s excellent piece.
I think that a shorthand way to identify where one stands on issues of freedom and equality is incapsulated in whether one holds to the 1776 or the 1619 Project. There the two roads diverge and one, IMHO, leads off the cliff!