A video message from President Trump in Walter Reed
I think this sets a perfect tone. One of the things about the situation is that it tempers some of Trump’s harshness without reducing his optimistic fighting spirit:
Some of the usual suspects are, of course, saying it was pre-recorded or made through AI. To combat the first charge, he should have held up today’s NY Times.
yeah – and also declare he’s against White Supremacy.
Get Well Soon.
He sounds good. The next seven days will tell the story, but I am heartened to see this.
For all the bluster and bravado and ego and excesses, I’m more and more struck by how Trump is one of the more normal people in our politics. From Dick Cheney shooting a guy in the face and then having the victim apologize to him to Nancy Pelosi willfully disregarding mask rules and then claiming she was set up, our elites are fundamentally weird and/or disordered. But because they’re all disordered in the same way, everyone pretends not to notice.
Mike
This does not sound like a prepared speech, it is from the heart and a lot of alright feelings, he says I have this stuff and then, thank you very much. He loves this country and he loves his wife and family and the thanks us very much,
Neo, thank you for posting this.
It was twice as long as it should have been. That said, he looks and sounds better than Joe Biden – even when he’s sick.
Trump may go down as our Churchill. May he live as long.
“he should have held up today’s NY Times” 🙂 🙂 🙂
And blinked his eyes in Morse code!!
neo, that cracked me up ….
You know, it’s funny. On my local NextDoor conservatives were respectful and quiet after RBG died. And now the lefties are howling at the moon with excitement over Trump’s ailment on that forum. What a letdown for them it will be when, as the stats suggest, PDJT recovers nicely in just a few days with no particular downside.
And then the “polls tighten”.
Aren’t those liberal tears going to flow even MORE copiously after this brief surge in spirits?
(side note: Dear President Trump, please recover. For the salt, if nothing else).
MBunge: You are grossly misinformed about the Cheney quail hunting event.
Cheney did not intentionally shoot anyone. They were in waist high grass in West TX, the other guy bent down to get a dead bird, and became momentarily invisible. At that point, another quail flushed and flew over the other guy, who rose as Cheney shot at the bird. It was a total accident. Quail hunting is done mostly by seniors like me, because it is very expensive. Cheney’s error was to shoot about 30-45 degrees behind himself. But the other guy should have been walking in parallel with Cheney so each could see the other at all times. Which is why HE apologized to Cheney. The superficial pellets that struck him did no real harm; we all wear shooting glasses!
Well one was an accident but Mike just threw up a cheap shot from the cheap seats. To put Cheney in with Madame Pelosi shows some deep problems.
Cicero, thanks for the background on the accident. At the time I just figured it was another case of the media going after Darth Cheney in their typical fashion.
Glad to see that Neo. I hope that the aggressive therapeutics will mitigate this; but, we should be prepared for rough days ahead.
Anyone who looks at the setting and listens to the context, then claims it was prerecorded says something about themselves. Who cares about their blather?
M Bunge, my observations are that for all his faults, when it counts, as in dealing with ordinary people, Trump is genuinely human; frequently empathetic and compassionate. The truth is that his rancor and roughness is almost invariably directed at people in the arena who should be able to take it. In fact, it is frequently retaliatory. He is a professed Christian; but may have slept through the part about turning the other cheek. Maybe he begs forgiveness from the one who grants it. That isn’t me; but, I do excuse a good bit of it.
“he should have held up today’s New York Times”
They would have said it was photoshopped in somehow. They never let the facts get in the way of the narrative. Also it would have been a defensive move and Trump doesn’t play defense.
Question for all
I just saw a campaign ad for Kamala Harris on tv. Just her no mention of Biden. Stating something along the lines of “soon everyone will be able to be President”. Does anyone ever remember a VP running an ad for themselves and cutting out the top of the ticket? Or for that matter just an add mentioning only themselves?
Hi, Mythx. I looked at the ad you mentioned. You had me scared for a moment, but fortunately the specific wording isn’t as tumultuous: “soon anyone will be able to see themselves as President”. Of course, one could still challenge the assumptions behind even that somewhat scaled-back assertion, but it’s not as bad as what I thought at first.
Along the way, in that clip, there was a brief dirge about Harris having “taken on some of the toughest fights” accompanying a piece of video showing her vs. Kavanaugh – cringe. Amusingly, this ad, which is from some PAC or other, has only 68 views on YT so far, and it’s been on there for a week. I mean, gee, even some of Liz Joy’s home videos from her driveway have more views than that. 🙂
I got distracted… as to your original question, Biden did get a mention in said ad, which was the lead-in to that bit about Harris taking on tough fights, as in that being one of the reasons he picked her. But you’re right, he does have a kind of bit part in the thing. I suppose that’s because it was a women-oriented PAC’s production.
Yeah, the nursing homes are full of Alzheimer’s patients who can now legitimately dream of running for President…..except, of course, if you were in a nursing home in New York.
Oh, well, tomorrow the media will be filled with accounts from doctors who had patients who rallied from being at death’s door to releasing youtube videos and working at a desk only to die the next day.
What strikes me here (and it’s not unusual in his speeches) is how he starts and ends by thanking other people, with additional gratitude and praises in the middle, and talks about “we” more than he does “I” — somewhat of a contrast to his predecessor and contenders.
Very natural, very unaffected, very characteristic.
This is RedState, not the Bee, but it’s still satire.
Just in case anybody at Snopes or CNN gets confused.
https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020/10/03/op-ed-president-trump-must-start-condemning-white-supremacy-every-day-just-so-we-can-be-extra-sure/
Like Oldflyer, I ask myself, “WHO CARES??? what the NYT “thinks” / writes / manipulates / lies about?”
(Yes, yes, I know. And I know you’ve posted about it many times… And I know you’re right… But there’s got to be a point where there’s a (last?) straw that’s got to break the camel’s back. So I’m back to “WHO CARES….”)
He looks pale, no more orange ray/skin. ANd his hair looks thinner or paler too.
His emotional affect is decreased as well, compared to his campaign speech energies.
I was told by several people here, that everyone needed to vote trump in 2015 because the world was ending and Trump would save them. I called him Trum until recently, because they never provided any evidence of who amongst the voters would save Trump that tries to heroically slay the swamp beast. Nor even if Trump was even going to make a good attempt.
Well, he is making a good attempt now, thus I add back his P. P not for Pence. So who amongst you are going to save Trump or are you going to rely on Q, this hidden invisible Alliance, or even Ymar’s Divine faction?
At the time I just figured it was another case of the media going after Darth Cheney in their typical fashion.
Darth Cheney is almost as scary as Ymar is now to people.
huxley on October 3, 2020 at 10:38 pm said:
Trump may go down as our Churchill. May he live as long.
But the Brits saved by Churchill voted him out of office because they liked emergency war power socialism. Cursing Trump to be another Churchill may be counter productive.
Sounded a little gaspy a couple of times but wtf he’s sick. Did get a nice dig in at Uncle Gropey: [paraphrasing] leaders don’t hide.
Stay strong, prez. Prayers up.
MBunge wrote: … our elites are fundamentally weird and/or disordered. But because they’re all disordered in the same way, everyone pretends not to notice.
Please say whether “they’re” refers to “our elites” or to “everyone.” Thanks.
Most telling line (not an exact quote): “Presidents can’t hide in the basement.”
Aesop, Trump has polarized more to service to other in his time in the WH, than his entire life added up together, likely.
JimNorCal: yours is not the only mention I’ve seen of political quarrels on NextDoor. This is interesting to me because I live in a very red state and NextDoor is almost 100% politics-free. The town is mostly conservative with a certain number of very conspicuous progressives (those preening “we believe” signs etc). But neither group has brought it onto ND much at all. Seems significant and I hope it stays that way.
Mac, yet more proof that conservatives make the best neighbors!
Thanks for more evidence that the Left is not the only thing wrong with America. I didn’t say Cheney shot someone on purpose. Of course it was an accident. But he still shot a guy and stood there before national TV cameras while the guy he shot apologized to him.
THAT IS NOT NORMAL.
Can you even imagine yourself doing something similar? Being at least partially responsible for an accident which injured someone else and having the injured party apologize to you?
Wait. I’m responding to people defending the honor of Dick Cheney, a man who helped lead America into one of the worst foreign policy disasters in its history and hand the White House and Congress to the Democrats. “Not normal” might be common for you.
Which brings us to another dimension of our disordered politics. Leaders who failed used to be held somewhat accountable by their own side. LBJ. Nixon. Carter. Dukakis. Maybe they weren’t run out of town on a rail but there would be an acknowledgement of their failure and diminishment of their standing. But whether it’s Bill Clinton leading Democrats to their worst political defeat in two generations, both Bushes ending their Presidencies with historic unpopularity which facilitated Democratic victories, or Obama presiding over an electoral slaughter of Democrats at the state and local level, their status as “leaders” remains secure.
That’s one of the big reasons American politics has degenerated into a massively dysfunctional gerontocracy.
Mike
First a cheap shot at Darth Cheney. Darth Cheney must have coerced the apology in some sinister NOT NORMAL way. Do tell Mr All Caps.
All those politicians were not reelected; their “standing” is not diminished? Oh yes, they are held up as exemplars of leadership among all the people (not just in their own party)? No they are not.
And to finish Mr Bunge has his masterstroke, our older political leaders are, wait for it, old. Astounding, never happened before, a country with old politicians. How old was Ronald Reagan again? How old was FDR, Truman, Eisenhower?
Don’t fret Mike, you can follow AOC, Illan Ohmar, Presley (sic), or the Detroit Hamasite, they aren’t old.
a man who helped lead America into one of the worst foreign policy disasters in its history
It wasn’t.
MBunge:
I should have added to my Cheney story that I personally know one of the others who was on that hunt, a witness.
What you read in the anti-Cheney, anti-Trump, anti-GOP, anti-hunting, anti-gun MSM is always misleading. Always. Because they always have an axe to grind. And they want to put you in chains.
MBunge:
I missed your BS post that says you “didn’t say Cheney shot someone on purpose”.
What you posted before that one reads “Dick Cheney shooting a guy in the face and then having the victim apologize to him”. No reference to circumstances, to “accident”. Just pure MBunge ugliness.
You have covered yourself with discredit, perhaps better known as bullshit.
We here can disregard your future comments. Your thinker is broken. And you are devoid of humility.
Doctors at Walter Reed say if Trump’s improvement continues he might be discharged back to the White House as early as tomorrow.
If he continues to do as well as he has, this is an object lesson in using aggressive treatment EARLY in the course of the disease for any at-risk person. At this point, if I got it, my 71-year-old self would be told to stay home and do nothing unless I get sick enough to be hospitalized a week later.
If he continues to do as well as he has, this is an object lesson in using aggressive treatment EARLY in the course of the disease for any at-risk person. At this point, if I got it, my 71-year-old self would be told to stay home and do nothing unless I get sick enough to be hospitalized a week later.
Kate: Excellent, tragic point.
The anti-Trump forces are going to hate it if Trump bounces back quickly and my bet is he will.
He is receiving great early treatment and he has ferocious energy. I can’t think of any president who was such a force of nature. Maybe Andrew Jackson. (Just read the wiki entry on Jackson sometime.)
My younger sister isn’t a reader and she isn’t political. She lives in Boston where most people are anti-Trump. She was surprised I am for Trump. I gave her various reasons for Trump over Biden, but the one that stuck was asking her which candidate was stronger.
Unless one is deeply prejudiced, as many are, it’s obvious Trump is still a dynamic, vital man, while Biden should be playing shuffleboard or dominoes.
Yes, Huxley, plus: Trump will have confronted, and defeated, the viral enemy, while Biden must still remain locked up with very little contact outside his home. Is he proposing to give his inaugural address on Zoom?
Trump’s experience has underlined the divisions and dishonesty in many ways.
There is an article this morning in my local rag with a NYT byline headlined: “A White House long in denial faces reality”.
If someone believed the NYT they would never know that early on the President Trump formed a Task Force headed by the VP to bring the resources of government and private industry to bear on the Virus. To believe the NYT they would have necessarily missed, or ignored, the daily televised press briefing presided over by the President that went on through the early weeks. A briefing that included not only his science advisors, but many others who were recruited into the effort to defeat the virus; and at which he fairly patiently answered inane and hostile questions from the press.
I really worry about the effect of fake news on this election more than I do about Trump’s personality or illness; or about Biden’s electability. Despite justified losses of credibility, the legacy media still have huge megaphones. The terms “endemic racism” and “systemic racism” have entered common usage. An appropriate addition would be, “endemic and systemic media dishonesty”.
Editorial note: Near the conclusion of my brilliant post at 11:18 PM I wrote of President Trump seeking forgiveness for not turning the other cheek, saying; “Maybe he begs forgiveness from the one who grants it”. Although probably not necessary, I later wished that to insure clarity I had written, “from THE ONE who can grant it..” Language does matter.
I really worry about the effect of fake news on this election
Fake news, fake advertising, fake civil rights movements, fake searching (i.e. steering). A sad state of affairs and possibly a progressive condition. Pass the Kleenex… I mean, tissue.
I can’t resist tossing in some of the wiki entry on Andrew Jackson:
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Jackson’s quick temper was notorious. Biographer H. W. Brands notes that his opponents were terrified of his temper: “Observers likened him to a volcano, and only the most intrepid or recklessly curious cared to see it erupt. … His close associates all had stories of his blood-curdling oaths, his summoning of the Almighty to loose His wrath upon some miscreant, typically followed by his own vow to hang the villain or blow him to perdition. Given his record—in duels, brawls, mutiny trials, and summary hearings—listeners had to take his vows seriously.”
On the last day of his presidency, Jackson admitted that he had but two regrets, that he “had been unable to shoot Henry Clay or to hang John C. Calhoun.” On his deathbed, he was once again quoted as regretting that he had not hanged Calhoun for treason. “My country would have sustained me in the act, and his fate would have been a warning to traitors in all time to come,” he said. Remini expresses the opinion that Jackson was typically in control of his temper, and that he used his anger, along with his fearsome reputation, as a tool to get what he wanted.
Jackson was one of the more sickly presidents, suffering from chronic headaches, abdominal pains, and a hacking cough. Much of his trouble was caused by a musket ball in his lung that was never removed, that often brought up blood and sometimes made his whole body shake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Jackson
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They don’t make ’em like that no mo’ … except maybe Trump.
Saw this on another blog, I’m not on Twitter and haven’t checked it but have no reason to doubt it ….
“After President Trump announced he had been tested positive for the coronavirus Dr. David Samadi, a top 100 US doctor tweeted out encouragement to President Trump and suggested the proven early treatment of HCQ, zinc and Zpack.”
….and so that got him banned of course, no bans for all the messages of hate against him.
”Insane by @Twitter @jack I hope Twitter corrects this. @drdavidsamadi is a friend and once treated me & is consistently named as one of best doctors in America. I thought we were supposed to “support the science?” Does some 20 yr old at Twitter know more than @drdavidsamadi ? https://t.co/bvVEMCPvxX
— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) October 3, 2020
”
…. and twitter removed that too.
I don’t think anyone comes close to Jackson. He was tougher than most everyone in an age when there were many tough men. But he should have hung Calhoun.
There’s a conspiracy theory out there that suggests that Trump has faked his infection for political gain.
I don’t see how that’s possible as his doctors would absolutely not lie for anyone.
I would know as I’m married to one.
Henry Clay was a more attractive personality, as well as a man of greater and more generous spirit than was Andrew Jackson.
Jackson was undoubtedly a hard case; and probably was critically shaped by his awful childhood encounter with Tarleton’s men, which left him with a sabre scar for the rest of his life. His wife being shamefully maligned as she was – whatever the technical irregularity of their frontier union – probably added to his murderous disposition.
He did as mentioned, carry a dueling ball in his chest all his life subdequent to the event. He should not be pittied nor admired in this regard though. The reason the shot did not kill him according to his biographer, was that he had secretly (and dishonorably) armored himself with a heavy coat stuffed inside with a virtual ream of papers, because his opponent was a noted and crack shot.
The final acts and words of these men tell me much of what I need to know about their characters. Some men are great men as politics and battles judge great men, but are neither very good nor very admirable men.
In my estimation, Henry Clay was both. Andrew Jackson might have been had he been able to rise above his vengeful – if in human terms understandable – character traits.
My point in mentioning Andrew Jackson was the sheer force of his being, which reminded me of Trump, not approval for Jackson as a person or his policies.
Without a doubt Jackson is problematic from his involvement in slavery and his Indian policies, his temper and duels. Plus, perhaps of particular interest here, his followers founded the Democratic Party that we know today.
Jackson seemed damn near unkillable. He survived near-starvation, smallpox, the loss of his brothers and mother left him orphaned at the age of 14, numerous duels, and even an assassination attempt in which two guns misfired. Of course, after the misfires Jackson attacked his assailant with a cane and had to be restrained lest he succeed where the other failed.
What a character! I felt disappointed my school textbooks failed to cover such a man in detail. But then, Jackson is tough to understand from a modern perspective.
So, Trump feels good enough to drive-by and wave at his supporters and media Twitter, while acknowledging Trump and everyone in the vehicle with him was wearing a mask, starts screaming about Trump putting people’s lives in danger. And the media seems equally enraged that Trump did this after calling a “lid” for the day so his press pool went home.
I don’t know which is more revealing: the total lack of human concern for Trump or the indignation that they can’t treat Trump like garbage and receive courteous consideration in return.
Or course, what’s most revealing is that amidst all the raving and whining, no one actual disputes my contention that shooting someone in the face, accident or not, and then having the victim publicly apologize to the shooter is WEIRD.
Mike
Mr Bunge:
You seem to revel in proving Cicero’s point. Oh well, enjoy the hole you are digging for yourself. Have you considered that the person giving the apology may have been sincere, may have felt bad about his mistake? Oh, I forget you know what was in his mind, the circumstances of the accident, and the subsequent events. Or maybe you don’t know squat. Kinda weird.
Another case of Mike and his hobby horse.
MBunge: It’s the way of the world, I’m afraid, sir, to ignore the plain statements of sublime truth offered by towering intellects and exemplars of moral righteousness such as your good self, in favor of their own foolish opinions and selfish priorities.
Most distressing, sir.
Good old Bunge, I have been a bird hunter for the last 60 years, I am that old and I have shot a lot of quail, pheasant and dove. Limited out on opening day out of Abilene Texas on two days. A lot of things happen when birds are flying and I have only seen one incident occur when a person got pelted in the back from bird shot hard enough to raise a few welts. It was a similar occurrence to the one that happened with Cheney and all of the people present knew at once that it was one of those things and if the man who was actually shot had not been so old, a bit older than me he would not have required any kind of treatment other than a shot of scotch at the end of the day. In his case, like me his skin was old and thin and the few tiny pieces of shot actually went under his skin and one was a bit dangerous however it would not have made even local news had it not been Cheney, folk who are bird hunters knew and understood the situation, some who know little bring it up once more.
There’s nothing to be done with adolescent dorks who want to evade the issue at hand. That kid in high school who thinks he’s too smart for the world has to learn otherwise for himself. Sadly, some never do.
For any others having genuine difficulty with the situation:
1. Dick Cheney shot a guy in the face.
2. The guy who was shot then stood in front of TV reporters and apologized to Cheney over the incident.
3. If someone shot YOU in the face and it was at least partly THEIR fault, would you apologize to THEM?
4. If YOU shot someone in the face and it was at least partly YOUR fault, would you expect THEM to apologize?
5. Did Dick Cheney ever apologize for shooting the guy in the face? I just did a quick check and found a news story that as of 2016, TEN YEARS AFTER THE FACT, Cheney had still never told his victim “I’m sorry I shot you in the face.”
Seriously, what am I missing here? People keep talking around the actual facts of the event without engaging with what actually happened. I think it’s because people do understand that a high government official shooting someone in the face and the victim apologizing to the shooter doesn’t sound like it happened in the United States. It sounds like something that happened in a banana republic or some third-world dictatorship.
I mean, is it somehow too much to say “I think Dick Cheney is still great but…yeah, that was a weirdly inappropriate situation”? Maybe you should think about that the next time you see somebody make some ridiculous excuse for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.
Mike
Seriously, what am I missing here?
That Richard Cheney has private conversations with people that reporters do not know about or report.
MrBunge:
Do you get paid by the word when you beat your dead horse? Your opinion of your own opinion is highly exaggerated.
A comment from the JustOneMinute blog:
“… doctors saying they’d knowingly use mental health laws for political purposes is precisely why many conservatives question the practical implications of red flag laws.
Good work. Your politicization of medicine erodes trust in ways you never considered.”
Leana Wen, M.D.
@DrLeanaWen
If @realDonaldTrump were my patient, in unstable condition + contagious illness, & he suddenly left the hospital to go for a car ride that endangers himself & others:
I’d call security to restrain him then perform a psychiatric evaluation to examine his decision-making capacity.
MBunge:
The Wiki entry for the incident says “Cheney visited Whittington in the hospital on Monday, February 13, and at other times, telephoned him.” Were you present? Do you have a clue what Cheney said to him? No.
In addition, here’s a video of Cheney accepting responsibility for the shooting. All parties agreed it was a complete accident.
I’m feeling a weird urge to pile on…
Actually, if a misfortune happened to me because of my own error, and that misfortune redounded to someone else’s worse misfortune, even if that other person technically was the instrument of my misfortune, yeah, you bet I’d apologize to that person. Publicly.
Say for instance that I was in a rush to get my kids to school one day. Say that my husband had unexpectedly parked partly behind my spot in our curving driveway the night before, such that when I too-quickly checked my mirrors in my usual way, I didn’t see his car. Say I hit his BMW, causing thousands of dollars of damage and scaring the kids. Yes, he was technically to blame for having parked behind my car – but I absolutely apologized to him for not adequately checking behind my car before backing out. Being in a hurry is no excuse for not ensuring I was clear, just as being eager to bag a bird is no excuse to forget one is surrounded by armed hunters who are primed to fire at a flushing quail.
And yes, my husband apologized to me too, for having done an unexpected and unwise thing, as I’ll bet Cheney apologized privately to his hunting companion. But in the case of Cheney, I’m willing to bet said hunting companion knew without even being told that Cheney could not publicly say something like, “I apologize for shooting you (!),” without a huge hue and cry, any more than we were about to volunteer to our car insurance company that my husband had acted unwisely in parking in my blind spot. And yes, of course, true story.
I don’t believe anything I read. But, if I did, I’d say,
Thank You very much.
Re. Bunge`s comments. I dont see Mike as a troll, and I would hope that some measure of divergent opinion would be as welcome here in fact, as it is in profession.
In my view he has stated a correct conclusion about our politics as it relates to the shooting incident, but has misconceived the dynamic in operation in the incident:that is to say, the reasons for the relatively taciturn response by Cheney.
Although I have hunted grouse and woodcock in the northwoods, I am unfamiliar with the shooter ethics that apply to game ranch hunting. But, in the instant case, the Wiki entry says that the ranch owner stated that the 78 year old victim failed to announce his position as he went and stooped to retrieve his bird. He was, she says, responsible.
In normal circumstances, when hurting someone who has precipitated their own injury at your hand, the natural reaction is to express concern and sympathy. The term “I am so sorry”, or words to that effect would be used to express regret at their suffering, but not necessarily as an admission of moral culpability or guilt.
Our social hostilities are so intense, and some partisans so malevolent, that were Cheney to use the word “Sorry” in public, it would immediately be touted by his political adversaries as an admission of his moral negligence and physical incompetence, when according to the ethos or protocols applying, there technically was none.
I find it interesting that Cheney was using a 28 gauge loaded, apparently, with number 6 shot. Possibly choked down and with a 1 oz load. Had his shells been packed with 3/4 ozs of “sand” I doubt that at the outside limit given of 120 feet, it would have had anything like the same penetrating impact.
I suppose that in open field drives, even for tweetie birds, you need something that will carry further than 8 shot.
But then, these fellows may not even have been wearing canvas game coats if the weather was warm.
Quail hunters probably use their take. Do dove hunters actually try and convert theirs into squab? I dont know. I do know that woodcock are not really worth the trouble to clean, and therefore to shoot.
The pres. out of W.R. and back to work ? Good news if true.
A relative from Iran jokingly texted there is a buzz among Iranians that they should all quit voting in Iran’s elections in favor of voting in American ones from now on. The latter’s outcome effects their lives in meaningful tangible ways absent in the former.
Ever since Jan. 03, 2020 when DJT dusted off all experts’ dire predictions and liquidated God-In-Waiting Qasem Soleimani my relative and his circle of friends have been celebrating life and times of DJT.
With that celebrated action the president showed people inside Iran as well as in greater Middle East that the emperor has no clothes. No reason to fear the Mad Mullahs in Tehran. The IRI is the real Paper Tiger here.
Equally as jokingly I suggested the relative and all his Iranian buddies should visit the Swiss embassy in Tehran, get ballets and vote Trump in 2020’s!.
Rose. Wrt your last graf. That would be considerably more legitimate than a whole lot of votes the dems are going to get.
The latter’s outcome effects their lives in meaningful tangible ways absent in the former.
Thta is so funny and true.
Equally as jokingly I suggested the relative and all his Iranian buddies should visit the Swiss embassy in Tehran, get ballets and vote Trump in 2020’s!.
Regardless if their votes are physical or not, Divine agents will count them.
Richard Aubrey, the Demoncrats plan to count the votes of the dead and living, up to 70 million. In addition to what they normally get.
There’s nothing to be done with adolescent dorks who want to evade the issue at hand. That kid in high school who thinks he’s too smart for the world has to learn otherwise for himself. Sadly, some never do.
MBunge: Geez. Have you looked into a mirror lately?
My problem with your comments isn’t that you say things I disagree with — that’s the nature of beast, as DNW noted — but you seem unable to recognize that most arguments in a political forum are about opinions. Some opinions are better supported than others, but life is infinitely complex and we are finite, fallible humans. Some humility is in order.
Meanwhile you often post as though you possess the one true Truth and the indisputable arguments to refute all others.
Then, if people persist in disagreeing and presenting their arguments, you simply repeat your arguments and insult us with terms like “dorks.”
I don’t find this debate style attractive or persuasive. I find it rather … adolescent.