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Hydroxychloroquine begins to claw its way back? — 35 Comments

1. I have thoroughly researched this issue independently and concluded, as NewNeo has, that HCQ is safe and effective. I have provided the evidence to my own primary care physician (in Vermont), who I otherwise respect and trust. He still refuses to promise to prescribe it in the event I become infected. He cites a couple of studies that I looked at and were noncommittal. If anyone knows how to get it prescribed, or a physician who will prescribe it, or how to get a hold of it, please post it. For those who have been very ill or who know some who has died, this is a travesty.

2. Sheldon Katz:

   Did you show him some of the articles I’ve linked in the past, such as this?

   Your state may very well prohibit him from doing it, and he doesn’t want to take the risk.

   I noticed that in Ohio, the state responded to activist demonstrations demanding an end to the ban. You might want to organize a group. It probably must be done at the state level rather than doctor by doctor, if there is a state ban.

3. Let’s see; HCQ has been in use for 50 years and we are to believe the MSM and demokrats, the FDA has allowed this lethal drug to be prescribed for that time period, even though they knew it would kill people.
   Sure.
   And Trump is a Russian spy.
   If Obama had declared he was taking this drug, it would immediately be available over the counter – for FREE – for everybody- and he would be given a second or third Nobel Peace Prize for promoting its use.
   Why anybody can not see thru all the lies and dis-information is truly baffling to me.
   By the way, there is very well regarded epidemiologist at Yale U. who has been pounding the pavement in support of this drug.

4. John Tyler:

   The link I gave in my comment above is to an article by that Yale epidemiologist.

5. I wonder how many of the rabid opponents of hydroxychloroquine have ever voiced any support for “right to try” laws.

6. Did I read about a group of doctors who will prescribe HCQ?
   I don’t recall where I saw the link … or what questions they would ask, etc. (it doesn’t seem like reputable doctors would prescribe without some interaction with the patient?)

   My doctor would not prescribe HCQ as a prophylactic.
   An online doctor friend suggested this, which I bought. Zinc plus Quercetin to help get the Z delivered to cells.
   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087YLTR4G

   (I am not a doctor, please due your own due-diligence research)

7. Rufus’ Covid-19 Story:

   So I came down with Covid last month. I thought some of you may be interested in hearing how it went and this seems like a relevant Post.

   Reader’s Digest version: My case was fairly similar to a bad flu; fevers, chills, lost some weight. Pretty weak for awhile. If it hadn’t been for the current epidemic I likely would have assumed it was the flu and resolved myself to resting and getting better. Thinking it was likely Covid (and, eventually getting confirmation) I was more uneasy than with a normal flu, but I never had any serious respiratory issues so I was fairly confident I would recover without requiring medical care; which was the case.

   I’ll add a more detailed comment below, if anyone cares about more details on what it was like.

8. Covid seems to affect people in so many varied ways. In my case I’d say there were three things that made this seem a bit different, or unusual. First, the “wavy” nature of it. I’ll explain that in more detail later. Second, the plateau or step’ped nature of the recovery. Third, the nearly complete absence of normal cold or flu symptoms. I was rather ill, but didn’t really have any conventional symptoms. Never lost my sense of smell, no body aches, no runny nose or headache, no sore throat. But I sure felt pretty lousy.

   At the end of my workday I started feeling a bit fuzzy and had a feeling I may be coming down with something, so when I got home I went to a corner of a room and text’ed my wife (who was in the house) and told her what was going on and that I should probably avoid her and the two remaining Little Fireflies who live with us. For the next 4 days it came and went in waves. Most mornings I felt fairly good. I would go for very long walks (completely isolated) and think, “Well, if I do have Covid it fortunately seems to be a very mild case.” Then at some point in early afternoon I’d feel tired, fall asleep and feel warm and sort-of ill for the rest of the day, evening and night. In those first four days when I took my temperature I never had a reading above normal, but I felt mildly feverish. I also had no desire to eat. I would feel hungry at times, and I could smell food that was being cooked in the house, but I did not have a desire to eat. Not only that, I had a sense that eating may make my symptoms worse. I did eat a bit; probably about 200 calories a day; maybe a bowl of soup, a gatorade, some orange juice… I was taking care to drink fluids.

   On the very early morning of day 5 I woke up drenched in sweat. I had no memory of falling asleep, assumed it most be about 6am and that I must have been asleep for about 8 hours. I was hot but also had chills and was very weak. I eventually sat up and looked at a clock. It was 1:15am. I remembered still being awake around 11pm the prior night, so I had only been asleep for about 2 hours. Now I knew I was really sick. Between bouts of trying to get dry and to pace (I was stuck in that room, but concerned about respiratory issues, so wanted to stay upright and moving) and periods of more sleep I awoke again around 6am. My wife knocked on the door with some more fluids and a small breakfast as we had been doing all week and I explained the change to her. For the next four days it was almost the identical thing, except now I was also very weak during the day. Pretty much on my back. I read about and watched some TV on my laptop, but didn’t have much desire even for that. Time moved very slowly. Now when I took my temperature I had a fever.

   When I napped during the day and evening sleep was normal. I’d awake and have a good sense of how long I had been asleep. I’d remember falling asleep. But every morning, between 1am -1:30am I’d awake drenched in an incomprehensible amount of sweat, thinking I had been asleep for 8 or more hours, with no memory of falling asleep. I assume I what was happening is sometime between 11pm – midnight each night my fever would ramp way up and my brain would shut a bunch of non-essential stuff down to try to control temperature. For the next four days I always had a low to mid-grade fever, but I suspect those 2 hour periods late at night it was higher.

   Two days into this phase I forced myself to get up and go to a local Urgent Care to be tested. I had tried about 5 days earlier, when I felt better, but the parking lot was completely full, so I turned around and came back home. I figured if I didn’t have Covid I’d certainly get it sitting in a room of sick people and an obviously long wait. But now that I was really feeling bad I knew I would need positive or negative confirmation to determine a quarantine period and when I could legally return to work. I got there before they opened and there was already a line of about 11 people. Some had brought their own lawn chairs. After a few minutes I was too weak to stand, and had to sit on the concrete sidewalk to wait.

   The Urgent Care had a fairly efficient process. They processed the line quickly and sent you to your own car to wait, where’d they’d text your cell to limit folks in the building. Even in my weak and tired condition I could tell the staff were wonderful. Every single person I dealt with was very friendly, patient and efficient. Right when the Dr. saw me I think she was confident I had it. She asked a few questions and administered the test. I have heard so many people saw the swab in the nose was painful. I think I was so dead tired it didn’t even affect me. She then spent about 2 minutes checking around both my lungs while having me take deep breaths. “Your lungs are completely clear.” Then they sent me home with official paperwork about quarantines. In those, lonely, very early morning, drenched in sweat sessions where I forced myself to pace I kept remembering those words, “Your lungs are completely clear.” I was so grateful she had checked them and said that so clearly. It kept me from feeling dread that I may have to be hospitalized and put on a ventilator.

   At one point while pacing I thought maybe I should do some deep breathing exercises. I began to take a deep breath, began coughing violently, and realized I could not take a deep breath. I tried again. More violent coughing, but I got a bit deeper. A few more times. I had barely coughed all week, but in those 10 minutes, or so, I coughed a lot and worked very hard at getting whatever may have been in my lungs, out of my lungs. It was a shock on that first attempt that I could not breath normally and I didn’t want that to get worse.

   The Urgent Care doctor also recommended alternating Tylenol with Advil to keep the fever under control. I had been taking Tylenol every 8 – 10 hours, and it helped, but she said to add in Advil at the 3 – 4 hour mark and keep alternating every 3 – 4 hours. That was a big help! My wife kept me on top of that and it either lessened the severity, the duration, or both. That was a big help.

   Then, coincidentally, after four days of that night sweat phase I woke up around 6am and immediately knew I was better. I’d say I felt 20% better than the night before. I assumed that was it, the fight was over, and I’d get better by the hour, or at least the day, but that’s not how it went. This was the plateau thing I mentioned. I didn’t get better. I was 20% better, but still maybe only 60% of my normal self. Then, 2 days later I woke up and I was about another 10% better. Again, I was looking forward to a steady, uphill climb, but nope. Still very weak and not improving. Not getting worse, but not improving. Then, 5 days later I woke up and felt another jump. I was probably 85% of my normal self. But, again, there I stayed until waking up 2 days later and having a strong sense I was completely back. And, now, 2 weeks after that day that has been the case.

   I feel great now, better than before the illness. Some of that is undoubtedly due to weight loss. I lost 12 – 15 pounds and am simply lighter on my feet. Even though I hadn’t run for about 3 weeks, my running is about where it was prior to being ill. I don’t have the same endurance, from taking time off, but I’m not carrying as much weight, so it’s about a wash. I didn’t lose just fat. I definitely lost some muscle. A few times I’ve been surprised at not being able to lift things easily, or as high. Putting the lawn mower back on the wall in the garage was a struggle last weekend. Hopefully I’ll get my strength back, but the weakness no longer feels like the illness keeping me down; it just feels like lost muscle that I need to recover.

   That’s about it. Now that I’ve talked with other folks who have had it that “wavy” part seems to be common. Also, older people who don’t have a terribly bad case (like myself) also report a similar recovery; in steps rather than a steady climb.

9. One more thing some of you may find interesting. I didn’t feel like Covid or the threat of Covid was weighing on me much, but a few days after my quarantine was over I went to the grocery store. I put on my mask in the parking lot as I walked to the entrance and I paused to look at all the signs with rules and instructions. And it hit me: “None of this applies to me. I had it, recovered, and have the antibodies.”

   It is a uniquely nice feeling living in a world where everyone is concerned about something that you are immune to. That has surprised me. I just hadn’t thought much about it, but it I now consider it a blessing to have gotten over it and to be on the other side. Obviously it is such an unpredictable disease I would not encourage anyone, especially anyone over 55, to hope to get it just to get to where I am, but it is nice to feel like we all did back in late winter.

   I should also add that, unfortunately, the jury is out on how long I will have the antibodies and resistance. I hope it’s a long time. I’m not anxious to get it again. I have had worse flu’s*, and, if I had to I may choose Covid over one of those, but it did knock me on my butt.

   *I would prefer Covid to a flu with nausea and vomiting, for instance. Although some people even get those symptoms with Covid.

10. Excellent useful educational story, Rufus!
    Good luck on a full recovery.

11. I too have read extensively on the HCQ treatment and am absolutely astounded that it’s “illegal” in so many places in the US. How DARE THEY! What is going on in this world today? Are politics actually responsible for killing people?

    Like Neo, I decided to Google to see if HCQ is banned in Pennsylvania and wasn’t able to find anything. How crazy is that? No list of states that permit/don’t permit, let along a specific finding re: Pennsylvania. I wanted to know if it’s prohibited before I called my doctor to ask if she would be willing to prescribe for me. I’ve read not just the articles by Dr. Risch but also his paper summarizing the data from around the world. The bottom line is that there are 50+ studies that show robust positive results when HCQ is given (usually along with zinc and an antibiotic) at the very beginning of a COVID infection. Not one study using this protocol shows dangerous side effects. Not one! And yet we are still not having an open national conversation about this option.

12. Rufus T. Firefly:

    So glad you made it through without any major effects!!! Thanks for telling your story. Very interesting.

    I’ve had bad flus that had a very up and down nature, and which took a month or two to fully recover from. So that part isn’t so unusual, I think.

    My guess is that your immunity will last quite a while, and that even after that if a person got it again it would be a milder case. But don’t take my word for it.

13. Rufus T. Firefly:

    Do you have any idea how you contracted it?

14. Rufus – that is some story, dude! So glad you made it through!

15. Glad you made it through and glad you’re back.
    (Was wondering where you’ve been of late….)

    And thanks for the detailed play by play…

16. Rufus T. Firefly,

    Thanks for the detailed narrative. What a trip!

    Congratulations on your recovery . . . see ya ‘roun’ . . .

    Your friend,
    M J R

17. We just moved to Florida and HCQ appears to be legal here at present, in fact the state seems to have a stockpile…

18. “…reversal…”

    So what might have been Walz’s motivation?

    Here’s another question:
    If it can be shown that government authorities and/or other public agencies actively DISCOURAGED (Fauci? MSCM?) and/or OUTLAWED (any number of Governors, legislators and doctors) and thus PREVENTED the use of a drug (or treatment) that would have saved who knows how many lives—thousands? tens of thousands?, might these people be liable to be on the receiving end of future lawsuits?

    Just wondering…. (and wondering, too, if the lawyers are starting to salivate…)

19. Thanks for the well wishes! As I wrote, I feel fortunate to have not had a case with respiratory issues. When I finally felt better my mother, of all people, sent me a link to a CBS news feature on people developing odd and mysterious health issues a month or two after recovering from Covid. Thanks, Mom! So far, so good, and, as I wrote, I feel better than before I came down with it.

    How did I contract it? Well, one of our kids who lives with us had a very mild case about two weeks earlier. He had symptoms for one day (and did have a positive test result), but I was hardly around him, the dates don’t line up and no one else in the house caught it from him. Three days before feeling ill I had attended a Catholic Mass with about 150 people and only 3 mask wearers. I too was not wearing a mask there. We were social distanced with every other pew unoccupied, but statistically that seems like a good guess of where I might have gotten it.

    But there are so many interactions we have in our lives it’s hard to pinpoint. Maybe I gassed up one of our cars and the person using the pump right before me had it. Maybe the person using the touch screen at the grocery store right before me inadvertently put some virus on the screen? The only person I know I was around who had it in the prior two weeks was my son, and the outer limit of the incubation period is 14 days, so maybe that was it, but again, that seems like a stretch. Or, maybe I had it earlier than I knew?

    When I caught it my State had been a few weeks into a huge ramp up of positive test results. The vast majority of new cases have been young people and most are barely exhibiting symptoms. And since then the number of new cases (now, including me) has continued to rise, so it’s very much “in the air” here. I’ve been graphing new cases and deaths for my State since April and daily deaths have stayed fairly low and steady despite an exponential leap in new cases. It seems either most are getting a mutation that is not as harmful, or the fact that most new cases are 20 – 30 year olds (many of whom are ignoring guidance on group sizes, etc.) means they simply tend to fight the infection better.

20. Rufus:

    Glad you are on the mend, I had also wondered about the silence from Fredonia.

21. Rufus T. Firefly–I join the chorus of people thankful for your recovery and for your sharing your experience. When I had it (came down with it exactly 2 days after my husband) I had the cough during the night followed by the fever the next day and for 3 days lay low with a fever. On the 4th day my fever was normal, I went to work (I work alone in my office with equipment that is solely mine) but wearing the N95 mask for 20 minutes sent me headlong into the worst of it. So again the fevers, now with slight headache, the anosmia and eventually a rash just across my upper chest area. But the sweats!!! Never in my life have I sweat like that during my sleep. For at least 9 nights I woke during the night between 1 and 3 times to change my pj’s as I was soaking wet. I ended up sleeping in 2 beds during the night necessitating washing sheets every day, which I was already doing for the hygiene factor. In reading your account it occurs to me that during the daytime I was fever-free and no unusual sweating. I did lose 11 pounds (the one plus of COVID-19 that I threw away with both hands in due time). While I was more tired than normal, I worked, doing my payroll each week at the office but the rest from home. I did end up with a terrible cough that I had to address, but that is normal for me with any cold-virus (cold-induced asthma) and I have developed a sensitivity to the inhalers so it sounded terrible to anyone that was speaking to me on the phone. Once I brought my husband to the hospital I didn’t take any fever/pain reducers because being on my own I needed to be able to assess where things were at in case I too started having life-threatening symptoms. But all-in-all, I had a flu about 18 years ago and was only down for 2 days but in much worse overall condition than with this COVID-19. I know what you mean about feeling relieved to have the antibodies. The truth is I didn’t fear this virus before, during and now after. I feel the lockdowns are preventing what could be natural herd-immunity in our populace. As for HCQ, it was available here in Los Angeles and I requested it for my husband twice in the lead-up to his hospitalization but by the time it was administered (after they stabilized his pneumonia) it was too late the cytokine storm had commenced. I have a good friend who has been using it for 10 years for her rheumatoid arthritis. We had spoken in mid-March about her family all coming down with the flu (?) in mid-January and she even sharing a hotel room with her daughter who got sick but she never got it. She also has COPD so it would have been serious. Both she and another friend had offered the HCQ to me when my husband was first diagnosed, one even sending me the pills from Oregon, but even though I had the z-pak and zinc on hand I wasn’t comfortable taking matters into my own hands. The hospital administered intervenous azithromycin, not pill form. I feel certain that if they had admitted him when I brought him 4 days earlier, he would have been helped by the protocol and not had to fight for his life.

22. Sharon W,

    I actually thought about the details (and photo) you had shared more than once while I was ill. That’s a big part of what motivated me to also share my story. Ordinarily I would keep mum about something like that in a public forum, but you sharing your and your husband’s circumstances helped me, so I thought maybe some others would want to hear how Covid transpired in my case.

    I didn’t want to get too specific (and gross) about the night sweats, but since you elaborated; my goodness yes! There were two nights in particular that I could not even conceive I had that much water in me. I literally awoke in a pool of my own sweat. And not a kiddie pool! Dealing with that while so tired in the wee hours of the morning, and then becoming exhausted and trying to find a dry spot to sleep some more… That was a challenge.

    I’m hoping I can keep the weight I lost off and one thing that is making it easy so far is I have completely lost my sweet tooth. I wasn’t a huge fan of sweets prior, more of a salty snacks fan, but ice cream or a slice of apple or key lime pie or a cookie always sounded good. Now I have no interest in such things. There are times when I’ve been driving near our local Dairy Queen and I’ve thought, “Well, I didn’t eat too much today and I am a little lighter than normal, a cone wouldn’t hurt.” But the thought of the taste of ice cream just seems, “meh.” I can’t figure out the reason for this since, as I wrote, my sense of smell has seemed fine all along. No anosmia* for me.

    I share your attitude about the lockdowns. I think so many of our states, counties and cities are over-reacting. What I had was not fun and I am VERY glad that I did not seem to pass it on to anyone. But I would much prefer an approach where people at risk due to age or co-morbidity take extra precautions and the rest of humanity go about their lives. And, by all means, let’s help those at higher risk!

    As I wrote, many of the 20 – 30 year olds in my state seem to have figured out they are at minimal risk and are doing what 20 – 30 year olds do, and our case numbers are expanding by leaps, but hospital admissions and deaths are not rising. No civic leader in my area will mention this, they only focus on the climbing, positive test numbers. But I personally review the CDC numbers and they don’t lie. I also hear plenty from local healthcare workers about hospital capacities. So why not let those 20 – 30 year olds (and anyone else who wants to take the risk) congregate in restaurants and bars (that are also willing to take a risk)?

    It’s funny, our eateries have a lot of restrictions, including outdoor seating, reduced capacities… Last weekend my wife and I met friends on the outdoor patio of a local restaurant. Towards closing time I needed to use the rest room, put on my mask and went inside. The only patrons left where about 12 young people and they had all gathered together at the corner of the bar, conversing and laughing; just as people normally do. They know the risk they are taking. If they want to do that, and the restaurant is comfortable with it, why go through this charade at the beginning of the evening at the front door?

    Have you or your husband noticed any after affects? Anything that popped up after you recovered?

    *Cool word! I had to look that up when I read it in your comment. I can’t wait to use it in a conversation!

23. I should add;

    At the times when I did feel up to reading, thenewneo.com was one of the places I would often go. Neo’s posts and your comments helped keep me occupied and my spirits up while I was locked in my quarantine room, sipping orange juice. I didn’t feel up to writing, but I appreciated all the wisdom you all always impart.

    Thanks to all!

24. Rufus T. Firefly–I am very thankful to Neo and this community for the support while I was dealing with a terrible crisis. I am happy to say that my husband and I both are in very good health following our disparate experiences. He, as I have previously shared, did incur damage to a lower artery (a result of the cytokine storm) and needed an angioplasty/stent procedure. He has been in “Cardio Rehab” and despite having to wear a cloth mask, is able to do all of the exercises at his pre-infection ability and maintain excellent oxygenation while doing so. I don’t think that would be the case for me. I struggle with feeling oxygen-deprived with the mask (even the custom cotton ones my daughter made for me) so it is very good that I didn’t have to do any kind of outside exercise rehab. We have both been back to work full time since June 10 (less than a week after his procedure.) It is truly remarkable that when my husband came home, walking 12 feet even with oxygen assistance (2L) exerted him and he would have to rest and recover (his heart rate soaring from that or a shower). The human body is truly fearfully and wonderfully made–Psalm 139:14–and I thank God for our society’s medical capabilities.

25. Americans are even dumber slaves than people thought.

    There is a cheap treatment for a deadly disease available? And Americans still allowed Demoncrats to kill off about 50,000 in concentration camps.

    When will I see GB’s organized resistance, when the bodies stack up to the moon and another 500 million bodies get destroyed in Leftist concentration camps?

26. Sharon W:

    Glad to hear you’re both on the mend. Hopefully you’ll make a 100% recovery. I had a friend who almost died from H1N1 and it took her at least a year to really feel decent afterwards. So it can take a while and still the recovery can be full.

    I was glad to be of any help. What an ordeal you went through!

27. Incorrect Neo. HCQ with zinc has been suppressed not to hurt Trump but to kill more Americans so as to create the totalitarian justification for rules and regulations that restrict religious liberty and other problematic “freedoms” of the world.

    This is a world wide Marxist style subversion and normalization take over.

    What people call the Covid, which is in fact a bio weapon designed to facilitate Georgia Guidestone pop caps, did not kill sufficient number of individuals. The engineering to make it virulent succeeded but the mutation made it just a slightly worse flu/cold for most.

    Thus they needed the casualty and fatalities to be higher, other wise the sheep may begin questioning why they need enforced vaccinations, social distance, masks, etc.

28. Rufus T. Firefly on August 18, 2020 at 9:42 pm said:

    Congrats Rufus. As I said, you must survive to 2021 to see the Season Finale. You don’t want to check out now of all times.

    Your vibration levels are relatively high (for this locality). That gives you a substantial buffer against the bioweapon’s electro magnetic signature.

29. Something is terribly wrong when a state governor (an attorney) has or assumes the power to ban or allow HCQ, or any other med. He knows as much medicine as does a mouse.

    The country is in the very worst of state governors’ hands.

    Note that Gov. Whitmer, aka Ursus horribilis, used the MF word in a televised speech to the public the other day. I guess that makes her an authentic antiracist.

    I think masks are BS, and they make easy symbols to identify the compliant as well as the non-compliant. Kind of like the obverse of having to wear the Star of David during the “golden” German years of the 1930s.

    The key is frequent hand-washing. That’s it. We are not all generating micro-droplets into the air everywhere we go! And masks like bandanas and neck gaiters have been shown to be worthless unless you’re robbing a bank.

30. Sharon W,

    I don’t recall reading the part about your husband later needing a stent. Yikes! I am so glad he is better now.

    Regarding oxygen levels, my wonderful sister, frustrated that she was 1,000 miles away and unable to help (due to quarantine she couldn’t have helped even if she was next door) sent me a thing that clips on your index finger and nearly instantly displays your pulse and O2 levels. I never thought of buying one, but now that we have it I recommend everyone getting one. My wife is fascinated with it and checks her levels for fun most every day. And nothing against my sister, she really is wonderful, but based on the craftsmanship and plastic materials I do not imagine they are very expensive. A really handy thing to have (pun intended).

31. Cicero,

    I agree absolutely. If you touch something foreign avoid touching your face until you can wash your hands, then wash your hands. I wear masks where they are mandated, but my attitude all along has been to avoid being really close to people; except for those I live with. Unless one is singing an aria from Madame Butterfly, or sneezing with their mouth wide open standing a couple feet away from folks is sufficient; especially outside on a summer’s day. Unfortunately, I do see many people deploying masks like talismen.

    (Although, I’m the guy who caught Covid, so maybe my opinions should be discounted. 🙂 )

32. “even though I had the z-pak and zinc on hand I wasn’t comfortable taking matters into my own hands” – Sharon W

    That’s how we all used to live until we had doctors who were “professionally trained,” and we collectively lost the memory of taking care of ourselves.

    The history of medicine is astounding, wonderful, marvelous in it’s life-saving discoveries, and frightening in the details of how many people were killed by trial and error dispensing of “new” remedies, concurrent with the discarding of millennia old folk remedies out of hand*; doctors putting their egos in the way of adopting remedies that DID turn out to work; and most of the medical establishment refusing to admit when their mistakes killed people**.

    And now it’s obvious now that some of them don’t know the best way to heal people any better than we do.

    * Check out this book. Revolting title, outstanding research.
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/459894.Honey_Mud_Maggots_and_Other_Medical_Marvels
    Honey, Mud, Maggots and Other Medical Marvels: The Science Behind Folk Remedies and Old Wives’ Tales
    by Robert Root-Bernstein, Michele Root-Bernstein

    ** As usual, everyone has an oar in the water, so the boat continues to spin around, but there are useful things to know in each of these articles.
    FWIW, I have friends and family who experienced severe medical errors, although they didn’t die directly from them.
    https://www.physiciansweekly.com/the-third-rail-medical-error-as-a-leading-cause-of-death/
    Good middle-of-road explanations.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in-a-review-of-337000-patient-cases-this-was-the-no-1-most-common-medical-error-2019-07-22
    This one had good information for keeping yourself from being one of the adverse effects cases.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/
    For the serious data wonks.

33. Good news from Mr. Firefly.
    Thumbs up on your recovery, Rufus.

34. Ymarsakar on August 19, 2020 at 3:48 pm said:

    .. some things that were speculated about as early as March.

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/485921-the-coronavirus-blueprint-for-bioterrorism

35. AesopSpouse says this is the best summation of the Covid situation.

    https://jbhandleyblog.com/home/2020/7/27/lockdownlunacythree

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