Perhaps you thought the Flynn case couldn’t get any worse
Well, think again.
As the pressure builds on the higher-up perpetrators of the attempted coup against Trump – Brennan, Comey, Clapper, and even to a certain extent Obama himself – the Resistance ratchets up its game.
And it’s a very serious game indeed:
A federal judge [Sullivan] is signaling that he may pursue perjury or contempt charges against former national security adviser Michael Flynn over his effort to abandon an earlier guilty plea to a charge of lying to the FBI…
Sullivan said he’s also asking [a] retired judge, John Gleeson, to recommend whether Flynn should face a criminal contempt charge for perjury–apparently for declaring under oath at two different court proceedings that he was guilty of lying to the FBI, before he reversed course in January and claimed he had never lied.
I am no expert on this subject, but I have never heard of such a thing. And in particular, if a guilty plea is coerced under threat or pressure – which often happens – it is often a lie. The same with plea bargains. And everyone knows it.
Has anyone ever been charged with perjury for such a thing before? All you lawyers out there?
Not to mention that there was also a problem with the behavior of Flynn’s lawyers, who had a conflict of interest. And of course there’s the little detail that the DOJ is requesting that the case against Flynn be dismissed due to all the previous FBI and DOJ misconduct.
The judge seems unconcerned with all that. His Javert-like pursuit of his quarry Flynn makes Javert look compassionate in comparison.
Oh, and that retired judge Sullivan has appointed to help Sullivan out? He’s already on Sullivan’s side:
Former Judge John Gleeson – the amicus appointed by Judge Sullivan – has already judged the case.
"The [Flynn] record reeks of improper political influence."
Seems to say a lot about Judge Sullivan's motives.
Even his amicus is biased. pic.twitter.com/egaMGgEPAk
— Techno Fog (@Techno_Fog) May 13, 2020
Last but absolutely not least, we now have some light shed on the somewhat puzzling statement by Obama in that purposely leaked phone call I wrote about the other day. Remember? Here’s what Obama said (among other things):
And the fact that there is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free. That’s the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic — not just institutional norms — but our basic understanding of rule of law is at risk. And when you start moving in those directions, it can accelerate pretty quickly as we’ve seen in other places.
Aside from the familiar irony of Obama accusing the GOP of doing what he and his administration had in fact been doing – undermining the rule of law and “moving in those directions” – one statement that stood out was Obama’s odd accusation that Flynn had committed perjury. At the time I wrote:
Perjury? A first-year law student knows the difference between lying to the FBI – in a matter in which there is no evidence of any crime whatsoever, and the target is not allowed to have a lawyer or be read his rights or even informed he’s being interrogated as a target – and perjury. Obama knows it, too, so why did he use the word? He probably thinks it’s a good talking point because it sounds really bad, and he doesn’t think most people will care about the finer points.
Or maybe he’s just forgotten all the law he ever knew. But I go with: tactical lie.
I followed that with a very lengthy quote from this Jonathan Turley piece explaining both the fact that no perjury charge was involved and that there was ample precedent for the motion to dismiss under the circumstances.
It continued, though, to puzzle me that Obama had said “perjury,” and in particular in a recording that he then purposely leaked, or gave his approval to be leaked. Although he’s not the legal genius his followers seem to believe him to be, he certainly has a basic knowledge of the law and had to know the inappropriateness of the term in this case. But now it is difficult to escape the thought that Obama was signalling the next line of approach, which would be to charge Flynn with perjury, as Sullivan appears to be strongly contemplating.
See, I was thinking in a conventional manner. Obama and Sullivan were thinking outside the box. Such extremely creative use of the law is a leftist specialty.
I don’t know what will happen now. Flynn’s lawyer might file a write of mandamus:
A (writ of) mandamus is an order from a court to an inferior government official ordering the government official to properly fulfill their official duties or correct an abuse of discretion. (See, e.g. Cheney v. United States Dist. Court For D.C. (03-475) 542 U.S. 367 (2004) 334 F.3d 1096.) According to the U.S. Attorney Office, “Mandamus is an extraordinary remedy, which should only be used in exceptional circumstances of peculiar emergency or public importance.”
In the federal courts, these orders most frequently appear when a party to a suit wants to appeal a judge’s decision but is blocked by rules against interlocutory appeals. Instead of appealing directly, the party simply sues the judge, seeking a mandamus compelling the judge to correct his earlier mistake. Generally, this type of indirect appeal is only available if the party has no alternative means of seeking review.
Perhaps there are alternative means of seeking review. Or perhaps the whole sorry charade set in motion by Judge Sullivan has to play out first, with the MSM talking it up every step of the way.
As Ace says:
This is a private prosecution by a lawless former judge who has declared himself Tyrant — and if this is permitted to stand, the American experiment in Democracy is over.
But the actions of the Obama administration in refusing to accept a peaceful transition of power and trying to frame his successor have probably ended that experiment already, anyway. We are in deep and dangerous waters, and have been swimming there for quite some time.
I’ll credit the left for their relentless. They never give up, and they spin, spin like dervishes.
This is all circling the wagons to protect 0.
The only consolation here is that the flak is so heavy we must be over the target.
Judge Sullivan has shown flagrant anti-Flynn bias, including a judicial assertion of possible “treason”. Why doesn’t Turley file an amicus brief, or join the Flynn team pro bono?
Like Neo says, plea bargains are routine, so routine that most criminal cases do not go to trial. And hell, I’m no lawyer.
Whence did cockroach Sullivan spring from?
BHO is untouchable, milk chocolate skin is the ultimate protection. But Comey, Clapper,and Brennaan have no protection beyond being hardcore leftists. I’ll gladly settle for those 3 in Leavenworth. Plus McCabe, Strokz, and Page.
This is the Obamagate equivalent of the “Saturday Night Massacre” from Watergate. Except it is orders of magnitude worse. VERY scary.
On the question of a use of a writ of mandamus, may I ask our knowledgeable lawyer commentors whether the DoJ may itself seek a writ against this lawless Judge, rather than depend on the Flynn defense team, seeing as the Judge seems to defy the aims of the Prosecution itself? Or is there some abstruse rule to prevent this by DoJ?
Haha. Here’s your rule of law, America. Enjoy.
The Deep State has a lot more power than the Leftist alliance ever did.
Salla’s analysis of Flynn’s importance is getting more and more potent by the hour, given Neptune transit.
Hussein is just a puppet. He is not signalling anyone. He was the one ordered to go after X and he and they are doing just that. It is all Part of the Plan.
Kafkaesque.
We’ll ruin your life and lives of your family members unless you plead guilty. If you change your mind, we’ll throw you in prison for doing so.
I read somewhere, maybe here, that Judge Sullivan committed reversible error by accepting Flynn’s guilty plea without having made a finding that Flynn’s purported lie was material.
When I read what Judge Sullivan was doing, the Obama phone conversation immediately came to mind. Of course. He was signaling Judge Sullivan, just as he signaled the DOJ and Comey when he stated publicly that Hillary had no “intent” to break the law with her personal server. Obama seems apathetic, even lazy, but he’s always got his eye on the game. I think the strategy is to make Trump pardon Flynn. Then grouse about what a violation of the public trust Trump has committed. The same old, same old tactics.
I have no idea what the legal ramifications are, but something has to be done. However, Alan Dershowitz was on Hannity tonight and said, “If this judge has the GALL to not throw this out, he ought to be impeached. Remember that judges only have jurisdiction for cases and controversies. There’s no controversy here. Both sides agree this case should be dismissed. This judge has no power to do anything else. And if he asserts that power, he has violated the Constitution.” I hope he’s right.
J.J.:
But the House would have to vote to impeach him. It won’t, of course.
If Biden becomes president, he’ll nominate him to SCOTUS.
parker…you noted 0 is untouchable. I hate that, but I agree.
You didn’t mention the woman who will never be POTUS. Is she likewise untouchable IYHO?
Sydney Powell can petition the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit for an emergency writ of mandamus, demanding that Judge Sullivan (1) rescind his order appointing Judge Gleeson, (2) grant the defense’s Motion to Dismiss with prejudice.
For the availability of this procedure (not for the substance, or for the decision) see
In re Cheney, 334 F.3d 1096
In re Executive Office of the President, 215 F.3d 20
Ira:
The article was in RedState earlier this week
https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/05/12/very-likely-judge-emmet-sullivan-committed-error-in-connection-with-flynn-sentencing/
“Judge Emmet Sullivan Likely Committed Reversible Error In Taking The Guilty Plea of General Michael Flynn”
The Democrats have corrupted the justice system completely at this point in their effort to get Trump. It is simply astonishing the things they will do and the lies they will tell to reach that goal.
When Sullivan made the comments about Flynn being a traitor, I knew right then that he was politically bent. He has proven it beyond all doubt this week.
I. AM. FLABBERGASTED. Accusing Flynn of perjury in pleading guilty to a non-crime and then attempting to withdraw the plea when he was finally represented by competent counsel? This fits the old joke definition of chutzpah. Since the judge asked Flynn more than once if he wanted to withdraw his plea (when he was represented by other lawyers), does this make the judge guilty of setting a perjury trap by his own reasoning?
IIRC the original “lie” at the heart of the case was Flynn being confronted with a question as to whether he spoke to Kislyak about a specific issue and replying that he didn’t remember doing that. Really, that’s prosecutable? A lot of politicians and bureaucrats better start lawyering up.
And just to properly set the stage, look at Obama’s claim
“there is no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free”
and then consider:
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/05/10/flashback-barack-obama-pardoned-a-former-general-who-lied-to-the-fbi-n389610
Ace gets a little overworked at times. If worse comes to worse I think it is clear the Supreme Court, including Ginsberg and the rest, would slap this Sullivan clown down. The Supremes have previously shown they’re getting fed up with these #Resistance judges.
But that shouldn’t be necessary. Any judge behaving like Sullivan should get a little “visit” from some of his fellow judges who sit him down and explain the facts of life. Among adults, social norms are supposed to prevent things from boiling over like this. But like a child throwing a tantrum, Sullivan seems like he wants to keep making a scene until he gets his way.
Mike
I think I’ve accidentally run into an answer (partial answer, perhaps) to the question I raised above: @ProfMJCleveland says “My prediction: DOJ will file petition for writ of mandamus and seek reassignment on remand.”
https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1260744037428060161
Well, this gives rise to interesting possibilities when it comes to the use of torture in trials.
You torture somebody until he pleads guilty. His confession is proven wrong later on? No problemo, you charge him with perjury. Win-win!
Some links from Lee Smith:
https://twitter.com/LeeSmithDC/status/1260761791304552449
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1260708257057865731
https://twitter.com/JohnWHuber/status/1260717742296088578
Hmmm. Perhaps one ought to “revisit” John Roberts’s rather optimistic—grandiose?—statement that there are no Trump judges and no Obama judges—there are only judges….? (Well, no doubt he meant well…)
Oh, and here’s another “winner”:
https://www.law.com/nationallawjournal/2019/12/31/chief-justice-roberts-judges-are-a-check-against-false-information/?slreturn=20200414025249
File under: Let’s see now, hmmm, is Obama ruthless or not ruthless?….
“Kafkaesque”
Well, OK, but more like “Kafka-wellian”
(Room 101 meets the Trial chamber….)
Obama has truly TRANSFORMED America.
And in so doing, can—WITH JUSTICE—claim the title as “America’s Most Successful President”!
File under: “I can no more disown [Wright]than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother…”
Barry —
Undercover Huber tweet —
“AG Barr has underestimated the danger he has put Flynn in by narrowly trying to drop the case based on FBI/DOJ procedure failures. Barr needs to put DOJ into a posture where it wants to find a way to have these charges dismissed, by any means necessary. Right now.”
Very interesting reply —
“The fact that Barr, an experienced former AG, underestimated the danger demonstrates just how corrupt the swamp has become since he was last there during his first run as AG.”
Just so you know – it’s not about Flynn, and never was.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/13/devin-nunes-discusses-unmasking-its-much-worse-than-this-the-entire-trump-transition-was-under-surveillance/
Nunes speaking:
More deep analysis at CTH – interesting idea —
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/13/flashback-james-comey-explains-fbi-unmasking-in-2017-today-the-fbi-is-conflating-two-collection-aspects/
This answers some questions I had about why they were so intent on getting rid of Flynn. Cleaning the swamp was a threat, but like most things we think are just ideology or politics — it’s all about the Benjamins, baby.
https://www.redstate.com/slee/2020/05/13/reminder-brennan-and-co.-targeted-flynn-in-part-because-he-knew-about-billions-they-running-off-the-books/
To sum up (somewhat):
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/stunning-move-flynn-judge-appoints-gotti-prosecutor-argue-against-doj-dismissal
What intrigued me, particularly, in the above post was this remark from the Supreme Court (though it might have already been known to many of you):
‘…And as Trump ally and attorney Victoria Toensing noted, the Supreme Court ruled last week that entertaining outside interventions such as these was a “drastic departure” and an “abuse of discretion.”…’
Indeed, “DRASTIC DEPARTURE”, “ABUSE OF DISCRETION”….
I guess the time will soon come to target the SC…as the “Transformation of America” (TM) continues to (much more than) “creep” and “slouch” ahead….
And while one dare not speculate on what the endgame might possibly be, one sorely, dearly hopes that it can—somehow—remain civilized, given the savagery and vileness of the Democratic Party, its criminal operatives and rabid supporters.
Alas, that might not be possible at this juncture. That train may already have left the station….
J E Dyer – it’s not just about Flynn.
(I think I already said that…)
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/13/beyond-biden-brennan-and-clapper-how-grenells-satchel-tells-us-this-is-on-the-right-track/
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/13/report-acting-dni-grenell-to-declassify-intel-suppressed-by-brennan-showing-russians-wanted-hillary-to-win-in-2016/
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/05/12/judge-in-flynn-case-now-solicits-amicus-briefs-sidney-powell-document-indicates-partisan-group-filed-one-on-monday/
Barry’s Zerohedge link:
“To the casual observer, between Flynn’s first legal team (from Eric Holder’s law firm) and Judge Sullivan exposing himself with these bizarre 11th hour decisions, one could reasonably conclude that the fix was in on Flynn, until he swapped legal teams and Trump found an Attorney General with a spine.”
I seem to have missed whatever was reported — if it was — WHY did Flynn suddenly dismiss his (apparently very corrupted) legal team and hire Powell; and how did she know where to start digging to find the bodies?
Yes, that connection between Flynn’s first legal team and Eric Holder is, to be kind, absolutely bizarro.
As is the connection between Judge Sullivan and Holder.
And, as almost everything involving the Obama administration, it stinks to the heavens.
Both connections should be scrutinized. No doubt they will be (if it’s not already happening).
Neo said,
“We are in deep and dangerous waters, and have been swimming there for quite some time.”
Indeed. I remember saying on your Obama phone call post, that the former president was signaling that it was time to hang together or hang separately.
Judge Sullivan got the message.
We now know, without a doubt, Sullivan is Deep State. Infected, if you will.
In my mind. I feel like we are at the January/Wuhan virus stage: we’re hearing things that are worrisome. People in China look scared, and we hear other even more disconcerting rumors, but people here say, nothing to worry about and the Chinese will be able to contain it. Some preppers say get ready, get stocked up, but others say that kind of thing doesn’t happen here in the US. Until it did. And I’m not even talking about whether the virus is that bad. I’m talking about the madness of crowds and leftist politicians running with the opportunity.
This, right here, is The Red Flag. The harbinger, if you prefer. The signal that the Deep State ‘virus’ has broken through Trump and company’s efforts to contain it. Prepare yourselves. Arm up. Keep the powder dry. As Kurt Schlicter says, “They hate you and want you dead.” Keep that in your mind while you quietly get ready. Go about your business but it’s going to get real, real soon. We may still turn the tide back. I hope and pray we do. But those aren’t a strategy. Don’t be wondering where all the TP and bleach went, figuratively speaking.
Pray for us and President Trump. And prepare.
“This is the Obamagate equivalent of the “Saturday Night Massacre” from Watergate. Except it is orders of magnitude worse. VERY scary.”
What’s even more scary is that none of the culprits will ever face the consequences.
In fact they’re more likely to succeed and get rid of Trump and his associates than they are to ever stand before a judge, even a partisan judge that finds them not guilty.
What’s even more scary is that none of the culprits will ever face the consequences.
I hasten to disagree, although without rancor.
We cannot predict the future. What continues to strike me about the relentless efforts of the Deep State to carve the Demon Trump out of its bowels is its feeble inability to do so.
They’ve tried every sort of insult, aimed at his supporters, beginning immediately when he began his campaign. I still recall reading a Florida resident noting- before the Florida primary in 2016- that the anti-Trump ads were endless. They failed. They attempted recounts after the election, which managed to expose democrat vote fraud, at least in Michigan. That failed, then the vote fraud was quickly buried. They engineered the Mueller fraud, helped by the sheer incompetence or betrayal by Jeff Sessions. Failed.
Etc, etc, on, and on- and now they’re attempting to wreck the economy, with malice aforethought, with the idea that this will finally rid them of the Hated Orange Man.
Yet the GOP somehow just managed to pick up a House seat in California and retain another in Wisconsin.
That doesn’t look a looming political disaster to me, such that the lawless criminals of the demonrat party will never need fear any consequences. Their actions indicate they fear otherwise, including those of the precious lightbringer, Barry Obama.
We’ll see. I can’t know how many people reading my comment have heard of a book entitled “The Fourth Turning,” but all of this strikes me as exactly what we should expect based on that book. We have a feeble and feckless elite that uses every trick to retain power- legal and otherwise- yet quite plainly is unable to handle the problems that actually appear- such as the present pandemic.
That doesn’t bode well for them, I think. But I can’t predict the future, either.
Not quite Gary Larson (but it’ll do…for the time being, anyway…):
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/372781/
“…the sheer incompetence or betrayal by Jeff Sessions.”
I think one has to be careful here. Sessions wanted to be above board. And he wanted to appear to be above board.
He didn’t realize he was dealing with criminal scum who were going to manufacture and contrive every possible advantage, using every possible trick in the book (Susan Rice’s “by the book” no doubt), and then exploit it to the hilt.
(Should he have realized it? Maybe; but in 2017, such UNPRECEDENTED knavery and illegality was NOT the default assumption—though maybe it should have been. There was NO precedent in American history of an outgoing president subverting and knee-capping the new President-Elect, NONE. So benefit of the doubt, I guess, heh. Well you can kiss it good-bye; all that seamless transition good-bye; all that good will good-bye—America TRANSFORMED!! Good job—NO, TERRIFIC JOB!—Obama! And all you other goons, charlatans, hypocrites and villains out there.)
The left in your country has decided for good to wage war against what they see as “the unacceptable side”, and this is not a recent change but something going on at least since a decade.
They don’t think anymore there are a shared Constitution and law under which everybody can a find a common ground for discussion and, in case of conflict, adjudication.
In their minds, everything coming from the other side is tainted by “un-progressive sin”: they signal that using terms like “racist”, “fascist”, xyz-phobia. The fact that in the academic world even basic logic is described as “white old man’s logic” means that they are fighting against the very possibility of dialogue.
For this reason, self-evident frauds and absurdities – the Russia Collusion, the IRS scandal, the fight against voter-ID, and so on – can be revealed in all their glorious hypocrisy, without any effect: for leftist, law or the Constitution is a just a possible way to get their goals; if law doesn’t work, too bad for the law, its meaning could always be changed by intellectuals, if necessary.
Mutatis mutandis, this is the n-th incarnation of Leninism, the doctrine stipulating that everything must be placed at the service of the Revolution and its avant-garde leadership.
It’s essential that the culprits are brought in tribunal, before it’s too late and all institutions become corrupt. It’s a corruption of powerful people
who believe to be the best and the anointed, as Sowell would say: they won’t give up without fight, and leftists from all the world are ready to amplify and support their lies.
For some satire in this dire time, where oh where are Manju and Montage to set the record straight?
Let me get this straight. Flynn perjured himself by lying when he said the FBI had convinced him he lied in a conversation he tried to relate to them from memory, when they had the recording and he didn’t, and the agents he was talking to at the time believed he was not intentionally misleading them, and they then rewrote the notes of that meeting to make it seem Flynn had lied, and Flynn finally agreed to go along in order to keep them from maliciously prosecuting his son?
@ Paolo,
The left has always been at war with the Constitution; except in cases wherein they conclude that they can utilize some priniple or procedure still honoured by the traditionalists in order to facilitate or advance their progressive program of directed social evolution.
It’s built-in to what a progressive is for it to be at war with the idea of constitutionalism, with the spirit of the law, itself.
The notion of limiting principles, or areas beyond government purview are anathema to them – unless those same principles can on occasion be leveraged toward an ultimately subversive end.
It probably should not have taken so long for Americans to learn this the first time. But worse yet, until very recently we tended to forget as time went on, that whatever outrage it was that we had just experienced, was not an opportunistic anomaly but programmatic and built into who and what they are, and was reflective of their basic disrespect for the principle of boundaries and limits. They look at the rules in a fundamentally different way: not with internalized respect, but just as one might look upon any other resource ready to hand which means nothing to one personally, but, which might have some instrumental value before its being discarded.
They do not abide the rules themselves, but rather use them on the rule-abiders.
And after all, why should progressive godlets in the very act of creating the world they dream, their world, allow lesser beings or their rules of association to inhibit them ?
Since we cant pay attention to more than one thing, i thought i would help us.
Bing, a Chinese researcher in the US has been assassinated for his work on Covid.
they are calling it a murder suicide, but given how things are and what he was doing, its likely that the person who shot him and committed suicide was compelled (making this an assassination not something else).
US: Chinese-American researcher studying virus murdered
Colleagues of slain Dr. Bing Liu say he was about to finalize successful research on COVID-19 before homicide
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-chinese-american-researcher-studying-virus-murdered/1831236
On another note, the Chinese think tank has published a paper i am trying to get a copy of, which details how the Americans were idiots in helping them… and that they have to use the American left to their advantage, and basically how the American lefts elite were morons thinking (going back to Nixon) that they would change, and not take advantage… and how they have not changed… ANd how they have to leverage their invasion of the education system even more.
Austrialia claims the chinese are preparing for war, and are in a bad economic tussle, as china is now blackmailing countries… also, china is suffering internal unrest given that apple and others have shut down over what they are reporting there as the CCP virus… (chinese communist party virus).
though i find it most interesting that that we will not recognize an assassination as what it is. Hao probably has family and ties back home (a important condition of being able to be outside the country), and so, knows what will happen to wife and kids or connections if not wife and kids if he did not follow ‘orders’.
Professor on verge of ‘significant’ COVID-19 findings killed in apparent murder-suicide, officials say
https://abc7chicago.com/bing-liu-university-of-pittsburgh-professor-killed-murdered/6156236/
Pa. Researcher Making ‘Very Significant Findings’ in Coronavirus Killed in Suspected Murder-Suicide
Bing Liu, 37, was found dead in his home Saturday, the apparent victim of someone he knew who was found dead nearby from a self-inflicted gunshot
https://people.com/crime/scientist-very-significant-findings-covid-19-killed-suspected-murder-suicide/
Some news channels who are not leftist and socialist and so on, are reporting it as an assassination.. However if you ever wanted to know how a communist state can assassinate on US soil and not get blamed or thought of that way, you now have a microcosm to look at…
do not let the Flynn stuff and other stuff distract from the larger things going on
Flynn is an internal issue and a dog and pony show that has no meaning
ie. everyone will be drawn to look at it, but what will come of it? not much given the left is lying and using it to split the polity and its not unifying… meanwhile, we are ignoring the islands in the china sea, the incursions, the fighting now going on the border of india and china, the threats to taiwan and singapore, the uighers, the organs being sold, the electronic spying, the recent attacks on UK college computers, the space debris that fell over california and nyc into the atlantic, and about 10 other things or more i can list (that we will not pay attention to as a whole)
NEO: Has anyone ever been charged with perjury for such a thing before?
All you lawyers out there?
No… but it depends on how they are going to go about it.
I suspect that they are going to do this.. [watch out for the real twister]
He lied to the FBI becuase of the situation compelled by the FBI employees.
When he confirmed the lie to the court, rather than deny it, to get the plea,
he didnt tell the truth, and so committed purjury to the court
NEO: But now it is difficult to escape the thought that Obama was signalling the next line of approach, which would be to charge Flynn with perjury, as Sullivan appears to be strongly contemplating.
Duh… once you wake up the the ‘collective’ game you get as paranoid as Jesus Angleton and others as you start to see how they coordinate, without creating evidence of coordination.
Donald J. Trump, @realDonaldTrump: “If I were a Senator or Congressman, the first person I would call to testify about the biggest political crime and scandal in the history of the USA, by FAR, is former President Obama. He knew EVERYTHING. Do it @LindseyGrahamSC, just do it. No more Mr. Nice Guy. No more talk!”
Heh.
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1260938381254701060
Margot Cleveland expands: The Constitution Requires Judge Emmet Sullivan’s Lawless Amicus Order Against Michael Flynn Be Overturned
https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/14/the-constitution-requires-judge-emmet-sullivans-lawless-amicus-order-against-michael-flynn-be-overturned/#.Xr1Q7bxijS0.twitter
Rtwt
Yancey Ward: The Democrats have corrupted the justice system completely at this point in their effort to get Trump. It is simply astonishing the things they will do and the lies they will tell to reach that goal.
No… they corrupted the system a while back but were careful not to wake up the public to the changes they make incrementally… what has happened here is that the public is having a rare opportunity to notice changes they did not notice before that could go on and on… with he way the press focuses on split events to split the public, the public fights rather than pays attention and gets unified.. you can see it in the arbory situation, you can see it in the marion barry cocaine incident (ie. would he have done what he did and get caught if his mistress wasnt witholding sex to make him do it? entrapment). then you can see it now with the “murder suicide” not “assasination”… your going to have the left say murder suicide.. and the right say assasination… a split when there should be unity.. and while we fight over the distraction, they get to move the pawns and bishops around in the game without us noticing.
There is another point to consider that I think is important. What former president Obama said (emphasis added):
When did simply being charged with something become the barrier to being scot-free?
Filthy piece of shit Barack Obama thinks the persecution Gen. Flynn has been put through is “scot-free”. No surprise there, since Barack Obama is a piece of shit: this is just what such pusillanimous twats do.
BHO: He don’t need no stinkin’ constitution. He got a pen and a phone. He knows what you said on your phone. Don’t think “you” are scot free! Worst President ever.
One wonders why original counsel didn’t recommend a plea under the Alford doctrine. They too might be at risk, perhaps for subornation of perjury. At the very least they should have immediately moved to withdraw from representation. Never allow one’s client to lie to the court.
General Flynn got terrible legal advice back then. He should not be punished for relying on his counsel’s probably criminal advice.
I guess Trump really, really pissed Barry off when he questioned his birth certificate.
Yes Ira that was the first thing I noticed about Obama’s statement, he didn’t say “guilty of” but rather “charged with”. So much for the presumption of innocence.
The peaceful turn-over of power to the next administration ended first with Nixon’s impeachment followed by the attempted impeachments of Reagan and Bush, and by the actual impeachment of Trump. It was also signaled at an end by Clinton’s people when they sabotaged all the computers and typewriters in the White House by removing the Ws before they left.
How many indicators are needed for conservatives to awaken to the fact that we are in a new era of all out warfare for the future of the country? The left is in a street fight and we’re still following the rules of civilized competition. We can’t possibly win following rules that limit our options when the other side follows no rules. If we fall, so does the world.
“in 2017, such UNPRECEDENTED knavery and illegality was NOT the default assumption—though maybe it should have been.”
You got that right. Have you looked at the Watergate prosecutor’s and judge’s shenanigans? Cox went on a three year fishing expedition that had nothing to do with the DNC office break in and bugging. Judge John Sirica was threatening the accused with long prison sentences if they didn’t confess and implicate Nixon.
Xennady–
I’ve been saying this was the Fourth Turning for a while now. I only hope we come out of it on the other side with an America that errs on the side of liberty.
You really need to keep up with the current status of the law when you are preparing your rulings.
According to the article linked below, last week a unanimous U.S. Supreme Court ruled on a case about the improper use of amicus briefs by judges to shape the outcome of a trial.
See https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020/05/13/supreme-court-ruled-unanimously-last-week-against-improper-use-of-amicus-briefs-flynn/
Not to worry, my liberal pals have all this justice stuff and assorted strife figured out, simply offer DJT as a human sacrifice to appease the pagan gods. (I wish I was kidding.)
This reeks of desperation.
We should be careful in accusing Obama. It is still possible that he is a “fool” rather than a “knave” in all of this. We need to be content with methodically working our way up the chain.
Roy Nathanson:
What part of guilty of perjury when accused until proven innocent belongs to a fool?
Thanks for the link, Snow.
If one needed any further evidence on the importance of control of the presidency and the Senate for judicial appointments…here it is.
Sullivan well knows he will be smacked down by the D.C. Circuit. That’s not the point. The point is to keep the Flynn circus in the news a little bit longer, so the MSM can spin, spin and spin it as more evidence of the partisan DOJ, Flynn’s obvious guilt of….something, and Trump’s obvious undue influence. More time for faux outraged tirades about Trump turning our legal system into a banana republic.
Progressives are masters of political projection. Whenever they accuse Trump or anyone in his administration of anything improper, you can bet the Obama administration was guilty of exactly that thing and/or the next Democrat administration will be.
Roy Nathanson:
I have long thought those who think Obama is a fool are – foolish.
It is one of the many times when people underestimate the enemy. Not only do I believe it’s incorrect, I also believe it’s dangerous.
I never thought Obama to be anything close to being a fool. Now, I don’t think he’s a genius. But I think he’s smart, strategic, aware, and well able to pull off a certain persona that appeals to people and disarms people.
Does that mean he acts totally alone, and is 100% in charge of everything he does and every tactic he comes up with? No. He has leftist allies, supporters, colleagues, advisors. But he is a very big player in the decisions he makes and the actions he takes. He is a leftist ideologue and always has been. He has been told, and has believed, ever since early adulthood, that he can and will be president. He is also ruthless, as I have written several times before.
The jury is not out.
Part of that is confidence born of blind ignorance of not knowing any better, never being told he was wrong, never really having to fight (he never tried a case as a lawyer), never encountering an obstacle that couldn’t be vanquished with the grievance card, other emotional cheats, or (in a pinch) a little help from friends. Obama almost always projects “winning” but on closer examination it’s cheating.
He didn’t build that. It took a village.
I also don’t think he’s a fool but he ain’t all that either.
Deep down, he knows this.
And his buddies know it, too. About him and about themselves.
They’re no Michael Flynn, person of actual accomplishment.
And they are NOT going to let him get away with it.
It’s awful/horrifying and comically sad at the same time.
Irv on May 14, 2020 at 1:49 pm said:
The peaceful turn-over of power to the next administration ended first with Nixon’s impeachment followed by the attempted impeachments of Reagan and Bush, and by the actual impeachment of Trump. It was also signaled at an end by Clinton’s people when they sabotaged all the computers and typewriters in the White House by removing the Ws before they left.
I agree with this. I don’t know how it will turn out. How many people have read Kurt Schlicter’s novel, “People’s Republic?” I hope it remains fiction.
The peaceful turn-over of power to the next administration ended first with Nixon’s impeachment followed by the attempted impeachments of Reagan and Bush, and by the actual impeachment of Trump.
There was no attempt to impeach Reagan, Bush pere or Bush fils. There actually were hearings on impeachment resolutions in re Nixon, but he resigned before the House voted. There was a reason there were impeachment resolution in re Nixon: his campaign staff committed crimes, and he authorized efforts to bribe them to fall on their swords.
Art – They were attempting to get to Reagan with the Iran-Contra investigation but Lt. Col. North was in the way, the same as Lt. Gen. Flynn with the Russia investigation. Also, Reagan was so popular with everyone that they couldn’t make anything stick to him.
Bush Sr. wasn’t in long enough for them to really go after him. Also, they were able to push him around so much that they didn’t consider him a threat. Rest assured if he had been re-elected they would have found a reason to go after him.
They went after Bush Jr. with the “Bush Lied, People Died” meme. They just couldn’t make it stick enough to progress to an impeachment vote because people still remembered and approved of his handling of 9/11. But, that is definitely what they were aiming for. If they had taken control of the House a little sooner in his administration they would have gotten there I assure you.
I don’t want to re-argue the Nixon case because positions are so hardened after all these years it would be a waste of both of our time. Just suffice it to say that I disagree with your over-simplified and incomplete summary of the situation.
I think it’s fitting that Obama be back in the news at this time. Someone once said that it was after Red Diaper Barry’s election that “liberals” and “progressives” started changing the bumper stickers on their cars from the one saying “Question Authority” to the one that says “Obey.” The mask has pretty much stayed off all this time.
Art – They were attempting to get to Reagan with the Iran-Contra investigation but Lt. Col. North was in the way, the same as Lt. Gen. Flynn with the Russia investigation. Also, Reagan was so popular with everyone that they couldn’t make anything stick to him.
Reagan was never in danger of impeachment proceedings. He was bedeviled by Lawrence Walsh, whose office was eventually shut down for cause at the end of the 1st Bush Administration. When Democrats were subjected to the splendors of the independent counsel law, they agreed to let it expire.
Bush Sr. wasn’t in long enough for them to really go after him. Also, they were able to push him around so much that they didn’t consider him a threat. Rest assured if he had been re-elected they would have found a reason to go after him.
Walsh had it in for Bush, and secured an indictment of Caspar Weinberger days before the 1992 election. The indictment was substantively absurd and invalid due to the passage of time. At that point, Bush shut down the office and issued pardons to a mess of people.
They went after Bush Jr. with the “Bush Lied, People Died” meme.
There were no impeachment proceedings, just the usual propaganda campaigns and congressional committee harassment. That’s what they do. They may be the occidental world’s most mendacious political organization.