More black people are discovering they’re actually Republicans
[Hat tip: Artfldgr]
Here’s an interesting interview with two black women explaining how they realized they were actually Republicans. It takes a particular kind of courage:
Parker: Well, I came to believe what I believe by reading a proverb a day. I was believing the lies of the left for a very long time. I believed all that we even hear today, that my problems were somebody else’s fault. That America was racist and I shouldn’t mainstream. That I was poor because others were wealthy…
Look, the polls have been showing forever that a third of African Americans say publicly that they’re evangelical and conservative. A third. This has been 25 years. This is Republicans’ fault they don’t have more…
Then we had a war on poverty [in the Sixties] that basically said, “Don’t think about any natural consequences that come from these decisions you’re now making without religion and without family, because we have safety nets.” Over time, those safety nets evolved into three rules: Don’t work, don’t save, don’t get married, and we’ll keep you addicted to a government …
…Don’t get married, and now we’ll keep you enslaved to our poverty plantation…
In the ’60s, black marital rates were at 70%. Today, they’re at 30%. You can’t have 30% of your adult population married and wonder why your kids don’t know what to do.
It’ a long double interview, and there’s much much more. But here are some excerpts from the answers of the other woman interviewed:
Sears: Well, I am a Marine and I had had my last child, my husband and I, and we were living in California at the time. It was right around the time of the election and George Bush Sr., he was running, he was a candidate and I was still a Democrat. I’m black …
…I’m black, I’m supposed to be a Democrat. It rhymes, OK. The whole family’s full of Democrats, so what am I? I am what I am. [Mike] Dukakis, his commercial came on and he said, “I’m going to expand welfare. I’m going to make sure that this, that, the other, we’re going to give you money and we’re going to… ” I thought, “But if that happens, my folks, they’re just going to be living on what they get. There’s nothing to propel them.” Then he said, “For abortion, I’m going to make sure abortion is this and legal and expanded and do this and public monies and public…” I had just had my baby and I thought, “Well, I don’t believe that.”
Then right behind him came George Bush Sr. with his commercial, and he said, “If all you have is welfare, is what the government gives you, you will never have anything to pass onto your children.” Then he said, “As for abortion, I’m going to try and make it less and less and less.” Then I said, “Oh my God, I’m a Republican.”…
The next thing was, “How am I going to tell my family?” Because it’s almost as if I was changing my religion. It was a shock to me and I think to many black people; they really are Republicans because we are the most conservative, really, group. It’s just a matter of me getting in there and people like Star and everybody else getting in and saying, “Let us be who we want to be. You don’t get to tell me how to run my politics and I don’t get to tell you either. Just let us be free.”
That’s also the message of Kanye West and Candace Owens. And it’s a message that strikes the greatest fear into the hearts of the left. The left depends heavily on the monolithic support of black voters in order to win elections. Without it, they would be far less likely to get elected, and they know it. Even a small percentage of black voters hearing the message from Parker and Sears and West and Owens would have large repercussions, and Trump has made it quite clear that this is one of his goals.
Somehow I suspect that the danger to the Democrat party lays less in the numbers defecting than in the thinking which gets loose into the population at large. Wrongthink. Can’t have it.
The issue that is confronting the center-left is that Dem party is starting to be dominated by the unhinged far-left. This is similar to the situation that happened during the Kavanaugh hearings. The accusations against him had a degree of plausibility but that all disappeared when accusations escalated to him waiting politely in a line in the hallway outside the room for his turn at Swetnick. People have to be pushed to the extreme before they realize that they will pass on the Kool-aid.
Perhaps some black voters will vote republican, but if it exceeds 20% it will be a miracle.
Most folks, black or white, really never delve into the issues; they just listen to the mainstream media and believe they are being presented the unbiased truth.
It is this reason that the media keeps pounding the message that Trump/republicans are rascist, Russian spies, proHitler, etc.
Aside from black voters, the other group that will vote democrat in overwhelming numbers are jewish voters.
Despite the democrats having several members in Congress that fit right in to the nazi hate-jews ideology – in response to which the democrats in Congress could not even vote to condemn the comments of their fellow party members – jewish voters will once again vote democrat.
That’s simply just the way it is.
I don’t understand it, I don’t get it.
But that’s just the way it is.
JohnTyler: As to the Jews and their voting, Commentary magazine, a basically politically conservative Jewish publication, did a whole issue on this topic some years ago under the editorship of Podhoretz the father. The global consensus was they did not, could not, explain it.
For us who are older – and maybe true for younger folks, too – the word Republican is a dirty word. The way they see it, Repubs are the root of all evil and Dems are the only ones who are for the people. Root out the Repubs and all would finally be well!
Many Dems would rather die than even consider changing sides. I can imagine it’s at least as hard in the black community as in the mainstream to overcome that thinking.
Best to juxtapose these points on Jewish voting from above posts.
Cicero: The global consensus was they did not, could not, explain it.
Andy: People have to be pushed to the extreme before they realize that they will pass on the Kool-aid.
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/06/09/jewish-vote-in-london-denies-corbyn-opportunity-to-prevent-conservative-led-government-analyst-says/
“There were massive swings to Labour recorded across North London,” Mendoza said. “That is, except for Harrow East, Chipping Barnet, Finchley and Golders Green, and Hendon.”
In all these constituencies, Mendoza observed, Labour came close to winning, only to fall at the final hurdle. The strong opposition toward Corbyn among Jewish voters – a May 30 poll conducted by the Jewish Chronicle put support for the Conservatives in the community at 77 percent – played a major part in “stopping a clean Labour sweep across the north part of London,” Mendoza said.
The battle in Finchley and Golders Green pitted the serving Conservative MP Mike Freer against Jeremy Newmark, a high profile Jewish community figure who is currently the chair of the Labour Party-affiliated Jewish Labour Movement. After a nail-biting contest, Freer won by a wafer thin 1,500 votes.
“Clearly Labour’s problem with antisemitism would have weighed heavily on (Jewish people’s) minds,” Freer told the Jewish Chronicle afterwards. “In terms of what we’re feeling the Jewish community have stuck with me and got us over the line.”
In nearby Hend0n, the defeated Labour candidate Mike Katz, who is Jewish, told the Jewish News that “it would be a folly” to ignore the fact that Jewish anxieties about Labour’s antisemitism assisted in his defeat….
When i worked for the welfare dept in Philly back in the late 60s, and older black co.worker came up to me one day and said he had done something really terrible. When he was reviewing her case record for a home visit, he had noticed that it was 25 years ago on that day that she first got welfare (she was about 6 then). When she answered the door he congratulated her on her anniversary. He felt terrible. Then about a month later,he came over and said the woman had just called to cancel her welfare. She had gotten a job and told him that what he said made her realize that she had never thought about what she wanted to do with her life. It was one of the saddest things I had ever heard. What it did show me is that breaking out of the victim mindset requires a one on one occurence that touches where a person is at the time. When enough people like Candace et al reach people, there might be a tipping point.
All I can say is that I’ve got black neighbors here, in North Carolina, who are Trump voters, and also Asian immigrant neighbors who will vote for him.
Jews are predominantly Democrats, but only about 2/3 of them. So as a group they are much less monolithic than Democratic affiliation among blacks. Orthodox Jews tend to be on the right. Many Jews in this country are not the least bit religious and are only culturally and/or ethnically Jewish. They also tend to be well-educated and urban and to be concentrated in NY and LA. So like the vast majority of well-educated people in those cities, they are liberal Democrats.
I don’t see the mystery.
Plus they are surrounded by fellow liberals and immersed in that milieu.
“For us who are older – and maybe true for younger folks, too – the word Republican is a dirty word.”
I think I qualify as “older”. My mother was a lifelong Democrat, my father was a Republican. Neither made any effort to influence me to vote either way.
I was in college when they had the party conventions for the 1960 election. The conventions were broadcast on television. They weren’t cut and dried as they are today, but the Democrat convention was so unruly and disorganized compared to the Republican convention that I decided at point that I identified as a Republican. I haven’t had any reason to change that decision, although I certainly haven’t always thought that the Republicans made the best choice for their candidate.
History has – if anything – convinced me that the Democrats are a party I would not want to have in power. Unfortunately, they do have one strength – they are very unified in following their leaders. Republicans tend to have the old “herding cats” problem. Independent thinkers can make for a difficult “herd”.
Reading what I just wrote, it strikes me as odd…Democrats work together as a herd, but they were totally disorganized (at least at that convention). Republicans tend to be independent thinkers, so I’d expect them to be disorganized, but they weren’t.
Still…I’m of the opinion that Dems are followers, and Repubs are independents.
JohnTyler – It might be very difficult to get 20% of black voters to vote for the Republican Party. But the general concensus is that if that many do, then the Dems are in big trouble.
The bloc is so monolithic that it doesn’t take much to make the Des hurt badly.
They also tend to be well-educated and urban and to be concentrated in NY and LA.
New York and Miami. The two metropoles have Jewish minorities of a similar dimension (10%) and encompass north of 40% of the Jews in the country. The Boston and Washington belts are next in line (4.5%), encompassing about 5% of the Jews in the country.
I suspect the Republicans will shake loose another 15% of the black electorate – in the Keynesian long run.
“Perhaps some black voters will vote republican, but if it exceeds 20% it will be a miracle.”
A poll came out recently that 1 out of 3 black males supported Trump. I think a quiet seismic shift or realignment is, in fact, taking place.
There are quite a lot of blacks in the #Walkaway videos on YouTube, far more than their 10% of the general population. Same goes for homosexuals of various kinds. We’ll see if it translates into something substantial in the 2020 election.
In Re the future of our nation, I take great comfort in the existence of Candace Owens. She is a young woman with her head screwed on right.
I will have to assume that the particular person they are now looking for is not going to vote Republican:
VIDEO: Purse snatcher drags woman out of the Galleria after following her from ATM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsDhGsCqCmo&feature=emb_logo
The article goes on to mention that they dont know if she could have done anything to prevent it
[in Texas? really? nothing? how about having her talk to the pregnant woman that saved her family?]
And this was to bring up the issue of the large contingent of people who side WITH criminal action over prosecution.
In general, they will not find a lot of people on the opposite end of the political divide to take their side, even for votes
which would also include voting from prison if they are caught and prosecuted for their actions..
how do you crack that nut?
Art Deco,
“…Keynesian longrun… ”
Many here may not have understood that, but I thought it was funny as hell. 🙂
Art Deco:
For US cities with Jewish population, NY is first and LA and Miami are neck and neck for second. One site has LA as number two and one has Miami as number two.
If the Tricky Ds nominate the old white woman they’ll have done more than any Republican could do to push the black vote towards Trump and/or keep blacks home.
Here’s another good comment from the interview:
any and almost every socialist country, there’s no coexistence between God and government. That’s what’s the big struggle today. The cultural war rooted in this determination that the left wants to do abortion is what started the cultural war.
30 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the CSSFR Velvet Revolution, there is a lot of talk about changes over those years in the media, all this month of Nov.
But not so much about religion, and Christianity.
Yet it was faith which gave most of the earliest protesters the willingness to maybe be martyrs.
I thought the interview would be about those two known black women who have been supporting Trump for years now: Diamond and Silk.
https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk
MAGA hat wearing Kanye West has a new Christian rap album:
https://genius.com/albums/Kanye-west/Jesus-is-king
Not my style of music, haven’t heard it all, But some of what I did hear was spiritually powerful, authentic.
Trump gets more than 20% of the African American vote (60% likely).
For US cities with Jewish population, NY is first and LA and Miami are neck and neck for second. One site has LA as number two and one has Miami as number two.
Greater Los Angeles is 2.6x as populous as Miami.
Art Deco:
I wasn’t talking percentages. I was talking numbers.
Black support of Trump is rather different when broken down by sex- or is that gender. 🙂 In the 2016 Presidential election, Trump won the support of 4% of black females and 13% of black males.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
When the subject of race comes up with someone who tells me they tend to vote Democrat I always ask them what Dr. King’s party affiliation was. I have yet to meet a Democrat who knows the answer. I’ve met a few who know Lincoln was a Republican, but I’d put it at less than 20%. I don’t want to quote LBJ’s language, but his theory proved correct.
Candace Owens has had an astounding impact on opening people’s minds to the evils of welfare and the soft bigotry of low expectations.
It’s unlikely there is a person alive today who is not descended from slaves. Statistics mandate it. There were a lot more slaves in history than monarchs or emperors. If that is true, and all people share that history, why is it that so many, primarily on the left, only associate blacks with slavery? Weird.
A year or more ago I was eating at Mcdonalds and Fox News was on. At the long extended table with me was a white older middle aged guy and a 30ish aged black male. The white guy was afraid Trump was going to get us in to a war and the black guy was saying how much he admired Trump’s strength.
If there’s a significant increase in Black support for President Trump, it will be a wonderful thing. Consider, during Obama’s years, the racial tension in this country seemed to be increasing. Also consider that Obama’s previous occupation was rabble-rouser . . . Divider. Now, during Trump’s years, the tension is decreasing, and Trump’s previous occupation? Builder.
Star and Winsome (an awesome name for a Marine!) gave a great interview; I’ve read Parker’s articles from time to time, but didn’t know Sears.
Credit to all of them, and Owens and West, but we shouldn’t forget the vigorous support that Diamond & Silk gave Trump from the beginning.
Daily Signal also ran this story today
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/11/14/4-things-to-know-about-republican-daniel-cameron-kentuckys-first-black-attorney-general/
Here’s a heartening interview with Daryl Davis, a black man who talked to Klansmen and persuaded over 200 to ditch white supremacy.
I’d heard of Davis before, but not read an interview. I don’t know he is Republican, but he is clearly a strong, square shooter who thinks for himself, which I’m sure was a key to his success. I can’t imagine any wokester with the qualities to pull off what Davis has.
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spiked: How did you earn [the Klansmen’s] trust and win them over?
Davis: I think it comes from being transparent. And also the fact that I would sit down and listen to them. Of course, these white supremacist, KKK people are an abhorrent group of people. They have abhorrent beliefs. So most of the time when they are talking to somebody outside their own little echo chamber, they are often being confronted, and the conversation is very combative.
I, on the other hand, was not there to do combat with them. They know that I don’t support their beliefs. But I am willing to sit there and listen to them as they spew all their nonsense and tell me why they think that I’m inferior [and] why they are superior. I allow them to air all of this, which throws them off. I also tell them that they are wrong and explain why. But because I listen to them, in exchange for doing that, most of them end up listening to me.
After that, it’s not like they go through an overnight conversion by any means. I don’t convert them. A lot of the media describes me as a ‘black musician who has converted 200 klansmen’. I didn’t convert one of them. Yes, I was the impetus for over 200 of them to leave the klan, but they themselves came to that conclusion.
At the end of the day, they go to bed and think about how they had just sat down and had a talk with a black guy and didn’t expect anything like what happened. And then they struggle with the fact that I was making sense but was also black. Then finally, they have to decide in their own heads whether to continue living a lie or to accept that the truth came from a black man. That’s their dilemma.
Racism is a learned behaviour. And if it can be learned, it can also be unlearned. And just as it’s learnt over a period of time – let’s say, you’ve been inundated with racism from age three by your parents – you can’t just flip a switch and all those years go out the window. Just as it takes time for you to saturate yourself with racism, it’s going to take a little bit of time to drain yourself of it. And that’s where I come in. People are very impatient. They want to tell you something and make you believe it overnight. But that kind of change doesn’t work. Instead, you need to plant the seed and keep nurturing that seed to bring about change.
–“Why I befriended the KKK: Daryl Davis on how he persuaded hundreds of klansmen to abandon white supremacy.”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/11/15/why-i-befriended-the-kkk/
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Might I add, it speaks well of these Klansmen to look at a new reality conflicting with their old beliefs, then go with their minds and hearts, instead of old, easy comfort. ‘Taint easy.
Perhaps an item for neo’s Changers.
God bless Daryl Davis. A great man.
Let’s not forget “The Sage of South Central.” Larry Elder has been a powerful and far reaching voice for black empowerment through Conservatism for many decades. Drs. Sowell and Williams have made the case eloquently and intelligently in many great books, essays, speeches and interviews.
In Dem world, guys transitioning to gals and gals to guys is absolutely acceptable and even to be encouraged.
Perfectly natural.
However, I suspect that Blacks discovering that they are really—deep down—Republicans is taboo and must be prevented at all costs.
(And I would expect that Democrats will set up “Political-Affiliation Crisis Centers” where professional counselors will—for no charge—try to persuade, convince, cajole and otherwise threaten potential transitioners not to go through with their perverse fantasy, their unnatural folly—a simply awful decision that the transitioner will undoubtedly regret in the future.)
http://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/blacks.png
“In other words, even if a black individual describes himself as a conservative, firmly believes in God, views homosexual relations as sinful, opposes affirmative action, thinks income taxes are too high, and is pro-life, there is still a 96.2 chance that he will vote Democrat. More or less the same identity-first behavior holds true for other minority groups.”
If gender is just a collection of genes and cultural traits, and race is just a collection of genes and cultural traits, and by the woke new rules we can self-identify our own genders, why can’t we also self-identify our race (like Rachel Dolezal did)?, but also interchange gender and race?…if they are both equal to the same thing? E.g. What race are you? I’m male. What gender are you? I ‘m black.
We could then have thousands of pronouns to remember. Might as well have fun talking gibberish as we all go loopy.
in Texas? really? nothing? how about having her talk to the pregnant woman that saved her family?
The first rule of pregnancy is protect the baby. The second rule…
The Second Amendment recognizes her civil right to protect her baby, her family, herself and other purposes in the service of a private training regime.
Here’s to mothers, fathers, and unplanned children.
Sex (i.e. genetic): male and female. Gender (e.g. phenotype): masculine and feminine, physical and mental (e.g. sexual orientation) sex-correlated attributes. Social/cultural, including: dress, embellishments, divisions (e.g. physiological differences/biases) of activities, etc.
There are very eloquent Jewish voices for conservativism, Denis Prager & Mark Levin as well as the late Joan Rivers.
huxley – as you suggest, Mr. Davis’s comments & techniques would apply to working with anyone in the grip of an extremist ideology. However, as many people here have testified, leftists and Democrats (not necessarily a complete overlap) seem to be more resistant to change than even the KKK members.
They seem (from reports) to be denying from the get-go that anything said by Republicans or conservatives (not necessarily a complete overlap) makes sense.
That might apply to people who actually are working for a common goal. It does seem probable that many of the Leftists are not looking to reduce racism, but to increase their own power.