Ukraine. Biden. Trump.
I utterly refuse at this point to write a big long in-depth post on this subject. Others have given their blood, sweat, and tears in such an effort, and I suggest you read what they have to say: for example, this as well as this.
To me, this tweet by Sean Davis sums it up:
The latest media-manufactured faux scandal is that Trump needs to be impeached because he a told a foreign leader to rein in corruption. Oh, and Joe Biden, who *bragged on camera* about bribing Ukraine to fire a prosecutor investigating his son’s company, should be president.
— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) September 20, 2019
Andrew McCarthy did a fairly good job breaking this all down this morning….bottom line I guess is wait and see.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/09/trump-whistleblower-claim-congress-should-investigate/
physicsguy:
That was the second link I gave in the post.
Codevilla. Again.
Sdferr, thanks for the link.
Codevilla: Preach it brother!
Justice for Corn-Pop ! (see Althouse’s post on this subject)
Let’s all blow the whistle on Dr. Dementia and his crack addict son !
I was watching a video at Conservative Treehouse last night where the reporters kept trying to trap Pres. Trump into saying “yes, the phone call was to Ukraine about Biden’s son” and he kept dancing around and never quite giving them what they wanted to hear.
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
FWIW, leaking presidential phone conversations for anything short of “here are the missile codes, bro” are despicable and should be criminal.
Not that I wouldn’t have liked some of Obama’s buds to rat him out a couple of times — those pallets of currency didn’t levitate onto the plane to Iran — but there are other avenues for getting information out about corruption or misfeasance.
I linked this before, but it bears repeating:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/19/phil-mudd-trump-communications-foreign-leader-dni-whistleblower-complaint-bts-cpt-vpx.cnn
Mudd makes all the points Codevilla does about the impropriety of having anyone reveal Presidential phone calls, and then some.
McCarthy: “While the media purport to be deeply concerned about Trump-administration law-breaking in classified matters, there is negligible interest in whether the intelligence officials leaking to them are flouting the law.”
That has always been true of the Democrats.
If the GOP has had the same modus operandi, I do not know any examples off the top of my head.
All quotes from McCarthy.
Why does the media even know a complaint was made?
Who is leaking NOW about the complaint?
The whistleblower? The IGIC or his staff? Someone else?
If someone has laid out the details of whodunnit somewhere, I’ve missed it.
On what basis is the media speculating about the content of the phone call; nay, are so sure that they are correct? Who prompted them to ask about Ukraine in the first place, that is, who is the leaker? Has the IGIC even confirmed that was the subject of the call?
Dems are never guilty of such bad conduct.
The Left is always at DEFCON1. It’s what they do.
Ace nails it.
The Left is always trying to convince us we live in Bizarro World.
It’s what they do.
Geraghty breaks down the Biden-Ukraine problem as well as putting Trump’s (alleged) calls for investigation into context.
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/trumps-whistle-blowers-complaint-is-probably-about-hunter-bidens-dealings-in-ukraine/
Is the person giving out the information “no quid pro quos” the original leaker, or just “someone with knowledge of the situation”?
Did anyone write a contemporaneous memo about their emotional upheavals during the call?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/intelligence-whistleblower-didnt-have-direct-knowledge-of-the-communications
That’s called “hearsay” and is inadmissable in courts.
I would dearly like to know why the IGIC found it credible and alarming.
AND how did this person not privy to the call learn about its contents, whatever that actually turns out to be?
(What does it mean anyway, to be “briefed on the matter,” and who did the briefing to whom for what reason? None of that should be leaked to the press in any case.)
The Ukrainians didn’t think it was any big deal — IF that was the phone call in the complaint.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ukrainian-foreign-minister-denies-trump-pressured-leader-during-phone-call
We still don’t KNOW that the complaint was about the Ukraine phone call, but that isn’t stopping Biden from campaigning off of it (which I think is ill-advised considering his son’s connection to corruption in that country).
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/enough-biden-fundraises-off-claim-trump-asked-ukrainian-president-to-investigate-his-son
Question: Was the complaint filed for the sole purpose of triggering speculation, knowing that the Dems could use planted leaks for blasting Trump with some kind of foreign collusion, since the Russian gig didn’t pan out?
Even though IGIC Atkinson and acting-DNI Maguire and AG Barr know the facts (and they certainly do), I guess the rest of us have to wait until Maguire’s testimony next week to find out.
Hah – I love it when I kinda sorta formulate an inchoate theory that J. E. Dyer then explains cogently, AND with data that I haven’t seen on the webz yet.
Just some highlights and teasers. RTWT.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/09/20/sudden-trump-phone-call-whistleblower-theme-looks-desperate-and-preemptive/
Bottom line (same as McCarthy’s I think):
When you lose the New York Times…
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/more-to-be-told-new-york-times-reporter-says-ukraine-story-a-significant-liability-for-joe-biden
…and you can’t make this stuff up.
A new theory about why this “scandal” had to hit the news just now.
Lots of people have claimed the whistleblowing will backfire on Biden; this is the first allegation I’ve seen about that being a feature, not a bug:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/09/soros_and_the_whistleblower_nonscandal.html
I don’t think it would work though, because we already know Democrat’s don’t have a problem with corruption. Any political party willing to overlook Clinton’s operations won’t balk at Biden’s, although his competitors might make some hay out of it.
Who among the Dem movers-and-shakers is most likely to want Biden out (is anyone besides Soros a contender?), and in whose favor?
New news to me, from John Solomon.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462422-missing-piece-to-the-ukraine-puzzle-state-departments-overture-to-rudy
Almost every story I read highlights the “eight times” — which sounds like a series of arm-twisting communications — but only a few clarify (rather than leaving it to the reader to infer) that all 8 occurred in a single phone call. If you have ever watched a Trump presser, he repeats himself all the time — it’s a verbal tic, not significant.
Plus, in light of State’s connection, since he is only asking them to work with Giuliani, did someone at State ask him to “vouch for” the attorney-to-attorney connection discussed in the above post? Or did Trump ask State to intervene?
Chickens and eggs.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462378-trump-asked-ukraine-president-to-investigate-bidens-son-eight-times
“Pressured” is a loaded word.
Are the Democrats going to subpoena the Ukrainian president to clear this up?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462479-ukrainian-official-denies-trump-pressured-president
The deep dive by Jonathan Turley.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/462445-ukraine-could-badly-damage-both-donald-trump-and-the-democrats
Turley continued:
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This is mostly an anti-Biden operation using Trump to get headlines.
Once Flynn agrees to plead guilty, his son stops being investigated.
Oh, wait.
Once Joe Biden stops running, his son stops being investigated.
Maybe.
It might take so much publicity to get Joe to stop running, that there is too much momentum to fully stop the investigation. But to Dem DeepStaters, it’s not so hard to say “not enough evidence for any reasonable prosecutor” to continue.
Rather curious (amazing? amusing?) that the Democratic front-runner is a lying thug with dementia. (Terrific smile, though.)
(And that the other front-runner is a lying, manipulative law professor with wacky economic “ideas”.)
Or maybe it’s not so curious, given the shambles that Obama “his” party in. (The MSM was supposed to do its darned best to ensure that these shambles remained invisible; and having done their absolute very best, and then some, they cannot be faulted…. since—gosh, who knew?—reality will out.)
As for the Flynn-Hunter Biden comparison, it’s not really apt. Flynn’s conviction has already been shown to be sham (for anyone willing to open their eyes); while for the Biden’s, there’s a whole lotta criminality out there.
And Biden’s not Clinton.
Should be “…given the shambles that Obama left “his” party in….”
I kept telling Americans that instead of getting upset and triggered over people using “Trum” to refer to their President, that they should be more concerned about what’s going on in DC and who is gonna backstab, JFK style, Trum.
But Americans are exceptionally prideful. They don’t take advice if it doesn’t mix well with their preconceptions and beliefs.
Then there is the issue of people who think the minority and individual who refuses to bow the knee to the State Consensus Majority view, that they think the minority and individuals are arrogant.
How Dare this one person refuse to Obey and Believe as the Majority has consented to what the Consensus is, they are so arrogant!
Who exactly is the arrogant one, is an interesting topic for discussion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYRckWE_pA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak4e3RH3HyE
So many things are happening now, that the Red vs Blue fight distracts people from. That’s another thing people have a hard time paying attention to. Just as people ignored the cancer and incubation of the Leftist alliance a mere decade or so ago.
People in 1930s knew what was going on. Bella Dodd’s School of Darkness.