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In no surprise at all… — 19 Comments

1. A lot of Muslims are apparently very adept at staging provocations, and at portraying themselves as the victims of hate/anti-Muslim attacks that, it later turns out, are phony attacks that they themselves have fabricated.

   There’s the major example of al-Durrah, but think, as well, about all the supposed “attacks on Muslims” here in the U.S. that have almost universally turned out to be phony ones.

   There have also been instances of many atrocities staged by Muslims in which dead children who died or were killed in some another circumstance or place were brought in to a different location and posed for effect, or, it turned out, were not dead at all.

   Therefor, any claims that a healthy 8 month old might have been killed by ingesting Israeli teargas should be viewed with the greatest suspicion. The questions of was there a baby at all, was it a healthy baby, and was the baby in any way effected by the teargas are the first one’s that should be asked, and very objective, detailed, and concrete proof given.

   And, by the way, what sane, caring, protective mother brings an 8 month old baby to the front lines of what is sure to be a violent clash?

   It seems to me that, whatever happened, it is the mother herself who bears the responsibility for whatever happened to her baby.

2. I’m thinking of the video of the “martyrs” in body bags. That are moving of their own volition.

3. Beyond all the women and children they sacrifice in cold blood for the eyes of the Western press, Hamas has an endless supply of willing “martyrs” brainwashed into semi-mindlessly seeking the orgasmic release of an ultraviolent death.

   As detailed in Ronen Bergman’s recent book, the Israelis were only able to slow the wave of suicide bombers of the 2nd Intifada when they began to up the pace of “targeted assassinations” — targeting the leadership, the planners, who were not quite as willing to die as the cannon fodder they led.

4. I really cannot get my head around the anti-Israel sentiment among European and U.S. elites and media. (When I imagine a Venn diagram, elite and media do not intersect, their pretensions notwithstanding.)

   I sometimes wonder if there is something I don’t know, because when I look through their lens, the picture is badly out of focus. The critics suggest that they have the better sources of unvarnished information, and thus see the situation through unfiltered lenses. That might be a valid point if they had not previously tarnished their own credibility.

   I confess, I went through a period of anger at Israel after the Liberty travesty. That faded. I recognize that they can be extremely ruthless; but, who can fault them when their very existence is constantly threatened by a host of enemies? You only have to imagine yourself in their place to be sympathetic.

5. According to the Gazan authorities, around 5 dozen Gazans have been killed by Israeli forces. Not one media outlet citing these figures has questioned their accuracy. Why not? Where are the fact checkers? Is there any reason why any story about Israel should be given credence?

6. “Is there any reason why any story about Israel should be given credence?”

   No. None at all.

   But the damage has been done. Again.

   Severe and extensive damage. But… I guess you gotta hate somebody. So maybe Israel is doing ’em all a big favor.

   (And, of course, Hamas deserves a lot of credit for doing what they do best….)

   SoP – Regarding the baby “killed by inhaling tear gas”:
   https://twitter.com/joelengel/status/996790979733540869/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fmartinkramer.org%2F

   Once again, the damage is done….

7. Not to mention that for all those confused as to what constitutes “genocide”, we finally(!) have an updated definition that is both clear and concise (and very easy to remember)…
   https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/959784/world-war-3-US-embassy-Jerusalem-Erdogan-blasts-Israel-genocide-59-killed-Palestine

8. I’m not sure how much damage they are doing. This is the MSM way over pushing the narrative perhaps thinking that Goebbels was correct is saying that a big lie was easier to put across successfully than a small one. Their problem is that more people support Israel than they do Trump so the obvious fact that this is first and foremost a Hamas provocation will not be obscured by the propaganda. Sure the MSM lies do damage, but at the cost of ongoing damage to themselves.

9. Due to rampant inbreeding in their society, there are a lot of children born to Muslims with severe genetic disorders. We have heard of several horrific examples where these children have been used as inadvertent suicide bombers.

   It would not surprise me to learn that any dead baby that was actually found along the Israeli border was already in poor health and not long for this earth otherwise. If Muslim parents delight in their healthy children being martyred for the cause, how much (or how little) would they care about sacrificing one of their ill chromosomally-challenged offspring in order to score a big propaganda win?

10. “I’m happy you’re always the moralist. You bring it back down to Earth, that’s important.”

    Wow. Can Tur please explain what is moral about instructing protesters to bring guns, knives, infiltrate Israel en masse, invade nearby villages and kidnap Israelis? (Also waiting for environmentalists to condemn them for starting massive tire fires.)

    https://twitter.com/TheMossadIL/status/996264521059786752

    While we’re at it, what’s moral about hiding your weapons under UN schools and in hospitals, transporting terrorists via red crescent ambulances, rewarding mothers who raise up good lil’ suicide bombers with cash?

11. A property dispute that was adjudicated by the UN and then several wars. But like the progressives in the U.S. refuse to accept the validity of elections, the Palestineans refuse to accept the validity of the ruling by the UN and trial by arms. Their main weapon now is propaganda in which they are aided and abetted by the MSM and the progressives.

    When you attack your neighbor, you should expect to see some defense. Insanity is defined as trying the same failed strategy over and over. Hamas is insane.

12. Palis saw how Amis fell for that Syrian “WMD attack” a few times. So they thought “hey, if it worked over there, we can make it happen here too”.

    Westerners are trained and indoctrinated to believe what they see.

    What they weren’t told is that video, pictures, and tv only shows you what they want to show you.

13. and now, from debate team, i take another side just for the interesting points you can make being different…

    Friedrich Nietzsche spoke of the “transvaluation of all values”: the inversion of our conceptions of good and evil in this post-Christian era.

    What had been regarded as good–humility, self-denial, obedience, love of the poor and of poverty, looking towards a world to come–was, in his system, to be seen as evil, and what had been regarded as evil–imposing one’s will by domination, satisfying one’s lusts, crushing the weak, dismissing thoughts of an afterlife, living for the moment–would now be virtues.

    The éœbermensch or Superman would be the exact contrary of the Christian saint.

    the cultural changes that put the ladies square in the middle of the second part!!! living that as the new goodness… is something the people of Islam find very offensive and are willing to die to stop – as it IS being exported to their countries by the west to their famlies… something NOT reported much here..

    not that i am siding with Hamas, that wont happen, but what everyone misses in their anger about how their own culture is changing, is the fact that these people do not want to give up their culture any more than the slavs did when trotsky coined the term racism about their not wanting to

    someone ran commercials in indonesia in which they took a woman with family, and basically tried to tell her have fewer kids, dont dress the same, have fun, liberate, and so on..

    what if ISLAM took kids, made videos about that, and forced people in the west to watch.. you know, like happens in no go areas of sweden?

    what is the best defense?
    a good offense…

    they took the fight to the people who are poisinong their cultures
    but like good colonialists wanting to end colonialism, they just wont leave them alone to be what they want to be… will they?

    honest quiz here i bet few would answer!!
    1) would you accept your child wearing a chador because someone came to your country and said so?
    2) why should they accept abandoning their way of life because someone from here came there?
    3) how many people here would love to see their daughter doing modern art jamming knife handles into her crotch while cutting tomatoes with it to symboloize her parents oppressive values?
    4) how many would like their 11 year old daughter having already had sex with 60 or more men?

    thats how many of them see it and how they get converts
    how many in the african community in the US converted for some form of power? Rap Brown? how many killed cops after taking an islamic name? how many are now recruiting by saying to men, you can have a place at the table again…

    note how they dont go back in time much!!!
    but this has gone on since about 1968
    for russia it was a lot earlier, so they did things to fix it
    we made sure those fixes can never happen

    US Birth Rate Hits All-Time Low: What’s Behind the Decline?
    https://www.livescience.com/62592-birth-rate-declines-2017.html

    The number of babies being born in the United States continues to fall, with the birth rate reaching a new record low in 2017

    Last year, about 3.8 million babies were born in the U.S., which is 2 percent lower than the number born in 2016, and the lowest recorded number of births in 30 years

    here were about 60 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44, which is 3 percent lower than the rate in 2016, and the lowest recorded rate since the government started tracking birth rates in 1909.

    -=-=-=
    heck i said this was happening to no no no
    well, wake up… its yess yess yess ten years later
    sweden is a dead state…

    Sweden to raise retirement age to pay for Muslim migration
    ‘Limit Muslims’ Birth Rate’: Sweden Democrat
    The End of Marriage in Scandinavia
    Swedish Police Admit Losing Control Of 55 No-Go Zones
    Could Western Civilization Be Saved If Most Europeans Converted to Islam

    and who had it before us… and still havent stopped it (we are not trying)
    Russians debate country’s Declining Birthrate over social media

14. Sweden in Free Fall
    Gate Stone Institute

    If it is considered ‘objectionable’ in the West to talk about the factual consequences of migration, in Sweden it is now viewed as a crime.

    The kind of ‘integration’ that the mosque in Vé¤xjé¶ is reportedly spreading to the local Muslim inhabitants is that Muslims are urged not to participate in the Christmas celebration of “kuffars” [a derogatory term for ‘disbelievers’], and Jews are, of course, mentioned as the enemies of Allah. The mosque’s school uses Saudi Arabian school curricula, and encourages women not to dress in ‘Western clothes’.

    so they are doing to the west what the west been doing to them? no? you may think the crowbar knows they are being used for robbery?

    In 2017, a Swedish police report, “Utsatta omré¥den 2017”, (“Vulnerable Areas 2017”, commonly known as “no-go zones” or lawless areas) showed that there are 61 such areas in Sweden. They encompass 200 criminal networks, consisting of an estimated 5,000 criminals. Twenty-three of those areas were especially critical: children as young as 10 had been involved in serious crimes there, including ones involving weapons and drugs. Most of the inhabitants were non-Western, mainly Muslim, immigrants.

    its against the law to say something…
    swedes who can leave are leaving
    those who cant, are busy with feminism mostly

    the men, are neutered and not goingto do anything
    they do not want to be what they ladies said they were, and so, will sit and idly watch as they preserve their moral high ground as defined by the feminist movement…

    “The Relationship with the Judiciary in Socially Vulnerable Areas” from BRé… (Brottsfé¶rebyggande Ré¥det), the Swedish Crime Prevention Council, shows that more than half of the inhabitants of these areas — around 500,000 people — think that criminals affect people in the areas by scaring people from appearing as witnesses, from calling the police, from moving freely, and from intervening when witnessing vandalism. Residents fear repercussions from the local criminals, not only against themselves but also against family members.

    and the feminist ideology, unpacking the backpack, neutralizing others judgements, forcing peope out of office and into office under the new definition that relies on genitals as a proxy for what?

    Nonetheless, Swedish newspaper Expressen recently published a report that out of 32 gang rape cases adjudicated in 2016 and 2017, 42 of the 43 of the rapists were migrants or descendants of migrants; 32 had been born abroad. 10 were born in Sweden, with one or both parents born abroad. The men were on average 21 years old at the time of the crime, and 13 of them under 18.

    This is what feminists did to their own space? yes… because what can they now say about the rape culture in their country? but no one is poiting out that its the same groups doing this. they even tried to cahnge their designation to asian, which is now tarnishing who?

    Feminist politician in office Stina Holmberg says:

    What is needed now, according to Holmberg, is the “integration” of migrants, which she believes will end the crimes. According to her, the 42 migrants guilty of gang rape are a negligible part of all migrants ////

    Peter Springare, a Swedish police officer, said that gang rapes were a new cultural phenomenon in Sweden — a consequence of the last 10 to 15 years of immigration policy.

    “There are also ethnic Swedes engaged in gang rape , but not in the same numbers as foreign-born offenders,” Springare said. For those comments, Springare was reported to the police, who announced that they would conduct an internal investigation into his remarks

    [for the record he is in trouble not for saying swedish men gang rape but for repeating the fact of the feminist politician, which is a hate speech, like in the US academia areas]

    and HOW you gonna assimilate people who want you to assimilate to THEM not them to you? how you gonna do that when your men are standing around, and the otehrs are throwing hand grenades at your police (women too).

    It increasingly appears, therefore, that it will be Sweden that integrates into Islamic culture. Recently, a Swedish court ruled in accordance with principles aligned with sharia law, when the jury — which had two Muslim members — found that a woman who had been violently abused by her husband could not be trusted because she came from a ‘lesser family’ than her husband and that it was “common” for women to lie about abuse. The jury also berated her for having involved the police, instead of solving the issue by consulting her abusive husband’s family. The case caused a scandal in Sweden and the two jury members were subsequently dismissed.

    its here too in the US..
    just hidden until you cant..
    you know, like the left wanting laws that mimic the jews laws of germany against the unprotected classes lowering diversity by existing..

    fun fun…
    not my circuis, not my monkeys

15. Oldflyer said:

    I really cannot get my head around the anti-Israel sentiment among European and U.S. elites and media. (When I imagine a Venn diagram, elite and media do not intersect, their pretensions notwithstanding.)…

    It’s a sign of their desperation. The sentiment in 1948 was that Masada shall not fall again. Our sentiment in 2018 is that Masada shall not fall again.

    The leftists who are now openly advocating for a holiday in kali to celebrate Marxism is now trying to cast us as the extremists.

16. “Is there any reason why any story about Israel should be given credence?” (Cont.)

    Actually, as shown in the more recent “Crossfire Hurricane” post (above), NOTHING reported by the media on ANYTHING should be given credence. (Until time has passed and the dust has settled. Perhaps.)

    Unfortunately.

    Though this grim reality should already have been obvious (after eight years of egregious “reportage” during the Obama administration) and seriously awful reporting from the Mid-East even before that.

    The MSM has created an absurd situation inimical to a free society. Although this was likely the case all along, it has reached epic proportions: one has to read very carefully from a wide range of sources. And then wait a bit. Or even more than a bit.

17. Hamas, and Israel’s other enemies, intend the destruction of Israel and the renewed genocide of the Jewish people. At present, they lack the means and warfare skills to achieve their aims, but they are working to improve them. When people complain that Israel’s response to some provocation is disproportionate, I have to wonder what actions they consider proportionate to attempted genocide?

    Under the Fourth Geneva Conventions, the responsibility for the death or injury of civilians among whom fighters are hiding belongs to the side hiding its fighters among the protected civilians. In this case, that is Hamas.

    The fundamental issue is not difficult to understand. If Israel’s enemies lay down their arms and stop attacking Israel there will be peace. If Israel lays down her arms and stops fighting there will be genocide.

18. “I’m not sure how much damage they are doing….”

    I guess that depends on how one defines “damage”….
    https://twitter.com/Ostrov_A

19. Those accusing Israel of “genocide” because some of the Hamas attackers were killed, using just the current example, consistently overlook the fact that if Israel were deliberately committing genocide, there would be far, far more than 50 dead Palestinians.

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