Maxine Waters tells Kanye West to shut up
Well, not in so many words. But that’s exactly what she’s saying—and in doing so she comes close to calling him “boy” or perhaps “stupid.” Imagine if a white person had said this:
“Kanye West is a very creative young man who has presented some of the most revolutionary material in the African-American community,” she replied. “But we also think that sometimes Kanye West talks out of turn and perhaps sometimes he needs some assistance in helping him to formulate some of his thoughts.”
She said West should think about the impact of his words and “maybe not have so much to say.”
“We don’t think that he actually means to do harm,” she added, “but we’re not sure he really understands the impact of what he’s saying, at the time that he’s saying it and how that weighs on, particularly the African American community ”” and for young people in general. … And I think maybe he should think twice about politics, and maybe not have so much to say.”
Physician, heal thyself.
I actually think that West has thought at least twice about politics. And I really do think that he clearly “understands the impact of what he’s saying.” At least, the potential impact.
And I think Waters understands it, too, and is absolutely terrified that “the African American community—and young people in general” might start thinking a bit differently and questioning leaders like Waters.
Interesting times; interesting times.
[Hat tip: Juliette Akinyi Ochieng (baldilocks).]
[NOTE: Apparently, Trump has been mentioned in quite a few hip/hop songs for many years, even prior to his presidential campaign:
Trump’s name first appeared in hip hop lyrics during the 1980s when the business mogul became an icon of the ultra rich. Among the earliest mentions of Trump in rap lyrics was the Beastie Boys’ 1989 track “Johnny Ryall”, in which they pit Donald Trump alongside his homeless alter-ego, Donald Tramp.
While many rappers praise Trump’s wealth, usually comparing their own financial aspirations or success to that of the billionaire businessman, others have used their music as a platform to criticize Trump’s practices and politics….
ESPN’s political site FiveThirtyEight documented that between 1989 and 2014, 19% of song lyrics about Trump were negative while 60% were positive.
Later the mentions were more frequently negative, as one might imagine.]
Yeah, that’s rich, crazy Auntie ‘Impeach 45″ Maxine telling West to shut the hell up, for fear of rousing the sheep, and maybe causing some of them to break their mental fences, and run away from the Democrat Plantation.
I take it, then, that ol’ Auntie and the Left are the ones who decide when its West’s “turn” to speak, and what he is allowed to say.
people hiring Maxine Waters to serve the uncle tom role for the democrat plantation got their money’s worth.
I would love to see Waters challenged for her seat in Congress and West campaigning for her opponent. Where would the young voters go?
If Maxine Walters is calling this guy an idiot, I’m with her on that. How else can we explain this:
“When you hear about slavery for 400 years … For 400 years? That sounds like a choice.”
and this “clarification”:
“[T]o make myself clear. Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. My point is for us to have stayed in that position even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved.”
Ann:
I had no trouble getting what he meant. And I’m not really conversant with the oeuvre of Kanye West or his thought processes, and have no vested interest in defending him. But I think it’s pretty clear that he meant that it’s a choice to keep talking and talking about slavery as though it’s still in operation, and blaming everything on it. Not that slavery itself was a choice.
He says “when you hear about slavery for 400 years” I think he is talking about the talking about it, not the thing itself. In fact, that’s the only way to make sense of his words. But it’s not a convoluted interpretation—it’s the obvious one that occurred to me before I ever saw his attempts to clarify the misunderstanding. Everything that’s happening today—a hundred and fifty years later—is blamed on slavery. This is the same sort of thing that Sowell has criticized in many of his books and articles, and I think it’s interesting that West quoted Sowell recently.
Here’s a somewhat fuller quote of what Kanye West said [emphasis mine]:
Do you really think he’s saying the Holocaust was a choice? No. He’s saying talking about slavery incessantly and making it be the “all of y’all” (i.e. the theory of everything, the explanation for all the present woes of black people) is a mental prison—just as it would be a mental prison if Jews were to only focus on the Holocaust and attribute everything wrong in the present to that particular experience.
I think it’s quite clear what he meant. You can agree with it or disagree with it, but although he wasn’t crystal clear the man’s not stupid, and it was clear enough for those who are actually paying attention and/or trying to pay attention instead of trying to skewer him and give it the worst and most stupid interpretation.
Physician, heal thyself.
You beat me to it, Neo.
It appears that Congresscritter Waters is not aware how readily she makes a fool of herself when she opens her mouth.
As expat points out, it would be great to have a strong primary opponent for Congresscritter Waters – assisted by Kanye.
Auntie Maxine plays the role of Leftist “slave catcher,” trying to round up a former mental slave, a black man that has dared to, had the effrontery to try to think for himself, and escape from the Democrat plantation, Auntie to “teach him his place,” and drag him back onto the property.
Ann:
What happened with that statement was that he gave the people who are afraid of him the perfect ammunition to discredit the other things he said. “He’s crazy!” “He’s stupid!” “The crazy stupidhead Trump-supporter says slavery was a choice!” “Now no one should listen to anything he says!”
Most people (I’m included in this group) don’t take political direction from Kanye West. But he’s actually trying to say something important here, although that particular utterance was a clumsy one. Someone who steps outside the box that is the “mental prison” designated for black people by the left is not allowed to make a single misstep or say a single clumsy or less-than-completely-articulate thing.
Ann:
Another clarifying quote from West:
I don’t think it’s at all clear that “he meant that it’s a choice to keep talking and talking about slavery”. That clarification of his was on Twitter, so he had more time to think about what he’d said in the TMZ interview– and if he’s talking about the here and now and not the condition of actual slavery, why did he use the past tense?
Again, here’s what he wrote: “[T]o make myself clear. Of course I know that slaves did not get shackled and put on a boat by free will. My point is for us to have stayed in that position even though the numbers were on our side means that we were mentally enslaved.”
remember the scene in shawshank redemption when the character Morgan Freeman played asks for permission to take a leak voluntarily out of habit developed from being in jail for so long, that is the mental prison.
even though none of the black people living today in america have ever been slaves they still feel like slaves here despite none of the minority ethnic group feel the same, why is that? the problem is mental, They have a chip on shoulder and angry because they still see themselves as slaves and project everyone out there as slave owners oppressing them, looking down on them because they are black.
Ann:
It was already clear in the original statement. And then it became more clear. I think those who don’t see what he meant prefer not to see.
I think this part of his clarification…
(emphasis mine) makes clear that he is not just talking about being mentally enslaved post-slavery, but that mental slavery kept actual slaves enslaved.
He’s saying blacks could’ve overpowered the slave-masters, since they had the numbers on their side. But they didn’t, because they were mentally enslaved. In this sense, slavery was a choice…or so his argument goes.
When will black people forgive the white men and let their grudge go? Their hatred for the white people are keeping them in the mental prison. Han Chinese were slaves of the Mongols for 100 years, Han Chinese were slaves of the Munchu for 300 years, Japanese invaded China and killed us in millions, the Brits sold Opium to us that made half of the country was opium addicts and took lands away from us after our defeat in the Opium, I was born in Hong Kong a city taken by the brits. Imagine if Chinese indulge in our grunges against all the people who have wronged us in past we wouldn’t have achieve nothing either.
Manju:
Yes, he is talking about that, too. He is talking about both things. But that’s a subsidiary part of the main message, which is about mental imprisonment today. That message has been distorted—actually, both messages have been distorted—and replaced by the idea that slaves somehow made a choice to be slaves and therefore were responsible for becoming slaves, which is not what he said and not what he meant.
Of course, there were ways in which slaves were kept from using their numerical power to rebel against their masters. This was not just true in this country, but everywhere there were slaves, because slave owners were well aware of the danger they faced from rebellions. Slave rebellions were successful in Haiti (although look where that brought them), but in this country and most others any hint at slave rebellion was met with force and put down. It’s not that easy for slaves to rebel successfully even if they try to; not at all easy.
See this.
The absolute glory of the left is it has absolutely no self-awareness.
Maxine, Hillary, Nancy, 0, the white-but-pretending-to-be-black people…if they weren’t absolutely serious & devoted to destroying the free world it’s comedy no one could deliberately script.
But they are serious & they are damn destructive. And therefore they must be thwarted at every turn. If Kanye can be part of that…I’m ok with odd allies at times.
Still not buying his music & still convinced his kids are gonna grow up Kardashian-crazy…but that’s his gig.
“he needs some assistance in helping him to formulate some of his thoughts.”
Wow – just wow!
I think she needs help before she opens her mouth to sound like a “teacher” in a “re-education” camp.
And people vote for her!?
Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae
West is referring to systemic (i.e. generational, progressive) slavery under black African tribes that persisted and finally concluded in the West. A state of mind where individuals are diverse (i.e. “colored”), and do not recognize their individual dignity. Where life may be deemed unworthy and summarily aborted. And redistributive change (i.e. minority capital and control) denies people choice and freewill.
Late back to the thread…
Sorry Ann, you (imo) are obtuse or pretending to be slightly on the right. Do you by any chance know Bill Kristol?
Manju, thanks for pretending. Stick with your day job, if you have one. No one here is fooled. Well, except perhaps Ann. Sorry Ann, you are not ‘conservative’. Just what you are only you know.
Ann is a troll.
Maxine brings home the bacon and money. That’s what they put her up there for as an aunt T.
Kan will be good so long as he doesn’t apologize or show weakness. Being stupid is just an opening but not a fatal weakness.
Last I heard Bill Kristol was a conservative, although not a Trump person. But maybe that’s too abstruse a thought for some folks to wrap their head around.
Bill Kristol…conservative.
Two thoughts that never belong together in the same sentence.
Labels are the dogma of the new religion and idols people worship in the USA.
It is a very good and convenient way to brand the human livestock.
If Kristol is a conservative, then he can be dismissed if one is not in favor of neocons or conservatives. If Trum is a fascist, then if one dislikes fascists one doesn’t need to consider it for much longer.
It’s a shortcut to actual thinking for these humans.
Being stupid is just an opening but not a fatal weakness.
Ymar’s #1 rule for life?
😉
Chinese believe face reading, its a belief system that how you look is affected by how you think. Perverts all have a pervert face emitting a certain pervert vibe that most people can detect. Liars have a liar face, arrogant jerks have a jerk face, etc.
Every Trump haters in the media all have a scumbag face like they all walk out from a dick tracy / batman comic strip.
Bill Kristol, Jake Tapper, Chuck Todd, Colbert, John Oliver (people with rats’ teeth are known to be notorious liars, he has those) to name a few
Neocons are Trotskyites, even an Amateur of western politics like me knows it.
Maxine Waters wondering how they ever let Kanye West off the plantation?
Just keep on talking, Ms. Waters! (You too, Mr. West!):
http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/02/reuters-poll-black-male-approval-for-trump-doubles-in-one-week/
So long as Trum refuses to back down and apologize, his weaknesses won’t become fatal for him.
The number 1 rule would be the Meta-Golden Rule, which I created to patch in certain problems and weaknesses in the Golden Rule.
Instead of treat others as you would have them treat you: treat your inferiors as you would have your superiors treat you.
After re-translating the Greek New Testaments and the Hebrew Old Testaments, I modified it to be more inline with the concepts of the ancients. Be loyal, just, and righteous towards your god as you would have your neighbor be just to you, as you are just and loyal to yourself.
Human language is rather limited in communicating true principles, as Kan has found recently.
Number 2 on my list would be the question:]
Do you wish to change yourself or change the world?
I guess the irony of her statement “…perhaps sometimes he needs some assistance in helping him to formulate some of his thoughts.” is lost on her.
Django Unchained. I wonder what character Waters is .
Dave:
Are you calling me a Trotskyite? If so, that’s absurd.
If you’re talking about Bill Kristol, he’s a neocon in one way only: he favors the spread of democracy and liberty around the world. He’s fairly interventionist in that way (much more so than I am, for example).
But in the other major use of the word—someone who underwent political change from left to right—he’s not a neocon at all. Born and raised conservative.
If Hell exists there is not a person in this world deserves to be in it more than Bill Kristol, more so than jeffrey dahmer or any mass shooter you can name. yes I went there.
Bill Kristol is Devil’s incarnated, the kind that causes wars and chaos and death everywhere in the name of spreading democracy and liberty and peace.
HKDave:
I have no idea why you think Kristol is so evil.
I disagree with him on Trump and quite a few other things, but I certainly don’t see him as evil or anywhere near it.
Maxine Waters [translated}:
“Don’t get uppity, n*****.”
That’s it.
I’m starting to wonder about Ann. I can’t say she’s a troll. Yet. But man, I’m starting to think that ‘Obtuse” label is right on. I’m just not sure if its deliberate, as Andy Dufresne might say (2nd Shawshank reference of the thread!!).
If West is referring to 400 years of psychological slavery, or a particular mentality, he, and the others who I have seen use the figure, could not have been talking about “American Negro” legal chattel slavery.
Slavery existed in the United States for about 80 years; in the English speaking American colonies for about 150 more.
The importation of black slaves into the American colonies was minuscule compared with those imported into Brazil or the Caribbean.
From Wiki: “A 1625 census recorded 23 Africans in Virginia. In 1649 there were 300, and in 1690 there were 950.’
I think that most people are shocked to find how few Africans were in the Continental Colonies before 1700.
Neo:
But you are neo neocon, the advanced version, not the unevolved corrupted, unhinged, out of touch and dogmatic version of neocon that bill kristol is.
“I’m starting to wonder about Ann. I can’t say she’s a troll. Yet.”
I can. I don’t wonder about it at all any more.