Well, that certainly made for some grim reading; God knows how hard it must have been to actually sit there and take it (and I can’t even imagine what being surrounded by that adoring crowd was like).
Thanks for mucking out that grossest of stables, David.
Carl:
Lots and lots of women.
I was talking to some old, rich, liberal white women in the line. It was freezing cold and they were talking about their winter vacations in the Tropics and summers in Vermont.
I asked them about Trump. He is “icky.”
I then cited the stat that 40% of voters think Hillary is dishonest. One argued with me about what section of the electorate did the 40% come from. I didn’t know. Looked it up later. Turns out it is 60% of all voters.
But one of them spun my stat and claimed that 80% of voters think ALL politicians are dishonest so therefore Hillary was only half as bad.
I was with the true believers and it was discouraging on many levels.
Yes, that’s her tarmac speech next to the coffins; I’ve saved it permanently so that I’ll never forget.
In terms of political controversy, the Libya controversy doesn’t have sufficient legs as long as it’s overshadowed by the Iraq controversy. As long as the ‘Bush lied, people died’ false narrative of OIF holds sway, then Republican attention to the Libya controversy seems like an obscene lack of self-awareness.
To reframe the Libya controversy for political effect, it’s not enough for you to know that the decision for OIF was correct on the law and the facts. The public needs to know Bush was right on Iraq in order to re-contextualize the Libya controversy.
The vulnerable issue for Clinton is Iraq … if you can re-lay the foundation in the people’s court by setting the record straight and discrediting the false narrative of OIF, and thereby establish she was correct to vote for the 2002 AUMF, which highlights that her record on Iraq thereafter as Senator, POTUS candidate, and SecState disqualify her as Commander in Chief. Note section 4 of the 2002 AUMF raising section 7 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.
The core of Hillary’s supporters are going to vote for her no matter what. That core is not enough to give her the Presidency. She needs the LIVs to do that.
“If the public doesn’t care about a certain tree falling in the forest, does it actually make a sound, even if the right is fussing about it?” neo
Of course not. Unless… the tree falls on them. Thus the only thing that drives the LIVs away from an inclination to vote for Hillary is to feel profoundly, personally, threatened. And, for that threat to be perceived as an inability of democrats to protect the public.
An insight into that eventuality is encapsulated in neo’s prior post, “Why did Paris and San Bernardino affect people so deeply?”
“Americans feel helpless in the face of their leaders’ failure to protect them, or to even acknowledge there might be something wrong with accepting all these refugees at this point.
In short, they–and we–feel vulnerable, unacknowledged, not listened to, betrayed, and literally disarmed in the face of a hidden enemy that has been revealed to have been as ruthless and bloodthirsty as the villains in a terrible nightmare. Only this nightmare is real.”
San Bernardino was just the beginning, the tip of the iceberg.
“A Middle Eastern woman was caught surveilling a U.S. port of entry on the Mexican border holding a sketchbook with Arabic writing and drawings of the facility and its security system, federal law enforcement sources tell Judicial Watch.”
“Staffers said the men were asking questions about the dam. They wanted to know if they could rent a boat and tour the dam.
The Camden County Sheriff’s Office tells Lake News that they received a tip about a group of “Middle Eastern” men asking about Bagnell Dam.”
The nightmare is going to continue and… deepen.
At the movies yesterday to see In the Heart of the Sea we happened into a preview of the coming Michael Bay film about the Benghazi attacks. It’s difficult to grasp how that won’t be a problem to Clinton, though god knows measures will be taken.
There are 3 things that will turn the ‘independents’ away from the eventual democrat nominee (I do not assume hrc has a lock on the nomination). As noted, further jihad attacks, which I agree is highly likely. The real state of the economy becoming more apparent in 2016. And, bho flooding the border with ‘refugees’. The question of concern is who will come out in large enough numbers to actually vote.
The democrat party needs its usual coalition of victim groups to come out in large numbers. The youth vote, the single female vote, the black vote, the hispanic vote, and now the muslim vote. The youthful voters are turned off by hrc, they will show up for bernie. Single women will show up, especially to vote for hrc. The black vote will be lower than 08 and 12. Hispanics will continue to vote (D) and muslims will definitely vote for the party of bho.
Botton line, there is much that can happen in the next 11 months that will shape the results of the election. And, there are always surprises along the campaign trail.
I have intelligent friends who are like the ladies Dave met in line.
This is so sad.
I have my doubts that Hillary will even be around for the election, she is 70, an alcoholic, and has a series of strokes. The stress of a real campaign has yet to kick in.
The Navy is responsible for the Presidents health. Do the candidates have to turn themselves in at Bethesda Naval Hospital at some point, so the Navy can rummage around under their hoods, and make sure they are physically capable of being POTUS?
Botton line, there is much that can happen in the next 11 months that will shape the results of the election. And, there are always surprises along the campaign trail.
heh, like that October surprise the Demoncrats like to spring on America every once in awhile.
“She is waiting for Trump and wants to run against him because she knows Trump can’t beat her.”
That’s what the GOPe says, but I’m not convinced. Are you (or is she) thinking Trump “can’t win” because a lot of republicans will stay home…or because she will best him in the debates?
Thanks for the report. It was good.
Polls show Trump loses to her by five points.
Polls show Trump loses to Hillary by 5 points.
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Well, that certainly made for some grim reading; God knows how hard it must have been to actually sit there and take it (and I can’t even imagine what being surrounded by that adoring crowd was like).
Thanks for mucking out that grossest of stables, David.
Carl:
Lots and lots of women.
I was talking to some old, rich, liberal white women in the line. It was freezing cold and they were talking about their winter vacations in the Tropics and summers in Vermont.
I asked them about Trump. He is “icky.”
I then cited the stat that 40% of voters think Hillary is dishonest. One argued with me about what section of the electorate did the 40% come from. I didn’t know. Looked it up later. Turns out it is 60% of all voters.
But one of them spun my stat and claimed that 80% of voters think ALL politicians are dishonest so therefore Hillary was only half as bad.
I was with the true believers and it was discouraging on many levels.
Cornhead:
See this.
…and watch this ( if you can stomach it again).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K10ioQdEv80
Yes, that’s her tarmac speech next to the coffins; I’ve saved it permanently so that I’ll never forget.
In terms of political controversy, the Libya controversy doesn’t have sufficient legs as long as it’s overshadowed by the Iraq controversy. As long as the ‘Bush lied, people died’ false narrative of OIF holds sway, then Republican attention to the Libya controversy seems like an obscene lack of self-awareness.
To reframe the Libya controversy for political effect, it’s not enough for you to know that the decision for OIF was correct on the law and the facts. The public needs to know Bush was right on Iraq in order to re-contextualize the Libya controversy.
http://www.hillaryhq.com/2015/05/hillary-clinton-never-supported.html
The vulnerable issue for Clinton is Iraq … if you can re-lay the foundation in the people’s court by setting the record straight and discrediting the false narrative of OIF, and thereby establish she was correct to vote for the 2002 AUMF, which highlights that her record on Iraq thereafter as Senator, POTUS candidate, and SecState disqualify her as Commander in Chief. Note section 4 of the 2002 AUMF raising section 7 of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.
The core of Hillary’s supporters are going to vote for her no matter what. That core is not enough to give her the Presidency. She needs the LIVs to do that.
“If the public doesn’t care about a certain tree falling in the forest, does it actually make a sound, even if the right is fussing about it?” neo
Of course not. Unless… the tree falls on them. Thus the only thing that drives the LIVs away from an inclination to vote for Hillary is to feel profoundly, personally, threatened. And, for that threat to be perceived as an inability of democrats to protect the public.
An insight into that eventuality is encapsulated in neo’s prior post, “Why did Paris and San Bernardino affect people so deeply?”
San Bernardino was just the beginning, the tip of the iceberg.
“Team led by Middle Eastern Woman Caught Surveilling U.S. Facility on Mexican Border”
“FBI alerted about group of men asking about Bagnell Dam”
The nightmare is going to continue and… deepen.
At the movies yesterday to see In the Heart of the Sea we happened into a preview of the coming Michael Bay film about the Benghazi attacks. It’s difficult to grasp how that won’t be a problem to Clinton, though god knows measures will be taken.
There are 3 things that will turn the ‘independents’ away from the eventual democrat nominee (I do not assume hrc has a lock on the nomination). As noted, further jihad attacks, which I agree is highly likely. The real state of the economy becoming more apparent in 2016. And, bho flooding the border with ‘refugees’. The question of concern is who will come out in large enough numbers to actually vote.
The democrat party needs its usual coalition of victim groups to come out in large numbers. The youth vote, the single female vote, the black vote, the hispanic vote, and now the muslim vote. The youthful voters are turned off by hrc, they will show up for bernie. Single women will show up, especially to vote for hrc. The black vote will be lower than 08 and 12. Hispanics will continue to vote (D) and muslims will definitely vote for the party of bho.
Botton line, there is much that can happen in the next 11 months that will shape the results of the election. And, there are always surprises along the campaign trail.
I have intelligent friends who are like the ladies Dave met in line.
This is so sad.
I have my doubts that Hillary will even be around for the election, she is 70, an alcoholic, and has a series of strokes. The stress of a real campaign has yet to kick in.
The Navy is responsible for the Presidents health. Do the candidates have to turn themselves in at Bethesda Naval Hospital at some point, so the Navy can rummage around under their hoods, and make sure they are physically capable of being POTUS?
Botton line, there is much that can happen in the next 11 months that will shape the results of the election. And, there are always surprises along the campaign trail.
heh, like that October surprise the Demoncrats like to spring on America every once in awhile.
“She is waiting for Trump and wants to run against him because she knows Trump can’t beat her.”
That’s what the GOPe says, but I’m not convinced. Are you (or is she) thinking Trump “can’t win” because a lot of republicans will stay home…or because she will best him in the debates?
Thanks for the report. It was good.
Polls show Trump loses to her by five points.
Polls show Trump loses to Hillary by 5 points.