Lethal biker brawl
Most of you have probably read about the fight yesterday between two rival motorcycle gangs in Waco, Texas, in which nine people were killed and at least 18 injured.
To call these groups “motorcycle gangs” is a bit like calling Genghis Khan and his Mongol hordes “horseback riders.” A mode of transportation is not a completely adequate description.
Not all the articles about the fight explain who was fighting here. These gangs bear a mild resemblance (although not a stylistic one) to the gangs of the prohibition era (see this, for example), in that they also tussle for control of various criminal operations, and are not at all averse to murdering each other in public or semi-public places. The criminal operation in the case of the earlier groups was mainly alcohol; these days it’s apparently meth. The targets of the violence of both types of group have mostly been each other rather than bystanders.
Here’s an informative article from about a year and a half ago on violent biker gangs. Here’s another article of similar vintage. As for race and ethnic origin—which don’t appear to be large motivating factors here—the protagonists seem to be mostly white with some Hispanics as well. For example, despite its name, the “Banditos” are predominantly white although with some Hispanic members, whereas the “Cossacks” are even more white in makeup.
In summary:
Sgt Swanton…added: “This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”
Criminals who have a worldwide reach. The phenomenon and the membership is not limited to the US:
Worldwide, the Bandidos were involved in the “Great Nordic Biker War” with Hells Angels in Scandinavia from 1994 to 1997…
They were also involved in the largest mass killing in the history of Ontario, Canada, when they carried out an “internal cleansing” in 2006. Eight members were found shot dead in cars.
The only question is, are they involved with the Left. Or are the Left using them as bait dogs to get the ATF to crack down on every other private non Leftist organization.
Nine dead and 18 injured but no civilian casualties: they know how to use their weapons
Biker gangs, and gangs in general, answer to no one; although they can be infiltrated and influenced. I see nothing sinister in this incident. Its a blessing when thugs murder thugs and there is no collateral damage.
They’re laughing at Waco in Chiraq: Hey Jackass!
Do Black lives matter?
Aren’t biker gangs usually characterized as being “right wing extremists”?
The SPLC lists them as such. The SPLC also lists Geller and co as such too.
The FBI has normally left citizens alone and haven’t swatted them. But the Left is working on that, making pretexts and justifications.
The leftwing nutjobs have of course jumped on this to push for more Geld the Citizens legislation: this time, to ban online sales of ammunition. You Must Buy Zis Ammo Face to Face! (House Dimwits) —
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=356793
So, a drunk driver speeds through an intersection and kills somebody. Dimwit reaction? Confiscate everyone’s cars, immediately!
That’s interesting since I am reading a book on the Mongols. The actual Mongols that Genghis Khan led. Bike gangs tend to behave a lot like ancient barbarians. Great loyalty to their tribe (Hell’s Angel, Mongol, whatever) and an inability to see those outside it as human.
“Pointe Magazine” recently ran a classified ad, for Texas Ballet Theater, announcing auditions for an edgy new production.
Dancers must have a beer gut, a meth addiction, and a chopper posture.
Now I understand Neo’s interest in this story.
Imagine the surprise and horror of the dead ones as they all wake up in hell together.
DNW,
Arguably, the “Hell’s Angels” are the ‘gold standard’ among biker gangs, venerating such a title would appear to indicate that they are not particularly concerned with their ultimate destination.
“nine people were killed and at least 18 injured.”
What’s wrong with that? Didn’t the injured have Obama care to pay their hospital bill as required by law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center
Like Soros’ org, the SPLC is also a big money source that should be watched.
They were originally set out to con and corrupt Jews, because of the Democrat KKK. Essentially it was the Democrat’s idea to let the Jews think they were above it all, by contributing money to the SPLC’s “hate list” when in fact the SPLC worked for the Democrats. And the Democrats funded the KKK. But the Jews could feel self righteous about being above it all, violence wise, because of the donations they sent to the SPLC’s little confidence game. Which may not be so little any more over the years.
Geoffrey Britain Says:
It’s one thing to travel and another entirely to arrive.
We are very blessed that no innocents were hurt or killed. I find it hard to generate much sympathy for anyone with the biker gang lifestyle.
The Left will probably utilize the propaganda point that more people died in this brawls than in the Jihad over at Garland.
Thus they will help us conclude that their ally, Islamic Jihad, is not a threat compared to some other “domestic terrorists”. And down it will roll according to Leftist SOP.
The Left will probably utilize the propaganda point that more people died in this brawls than in the Jihad over at Garland….
Baltimore Is Averaging 1.3 Murders Per Day Since Riot
It’ll be hard for them to beat Detroit or Oakland, two other places that the Left likes to use to disarm citizens or patriots.
I had an audio conversation with people who live overseas, Europeans essentially. They hear about Baltimore and when they go through the usual European list about gun control benefits, it is then my turn to speak from an American point of view.
Which is generally based on the point of view that the only reason why these riots don’t head on to my neighborhood is because if they started looting and burning down houses, there would be an execution scaffold on the end of every street. That’s why they don’t target us, they target the city boys, the weaklings, the police forces that they know are corrupt or incompetent.
The Europeans have nothing to say to that, because it’s not something they hear. It’s not something they are allowed to hear on MSNBC or CNN or their local domestic propaganda outlets.
They know very well the violence in the cities, but they think it’s cause of guns. The Gray incident doesn’t fit the narrative precisely, because Gray wasn’t killed by a gun.
The Euros are conditioned to defend themselves against proposals against gun control or proposals for American wild west gun ownership. I undercut them by using the Left’s propaganda to empower my position, not the Euro one.
It is a simple manipulation and turn over.
But not even the Leftists can produce propaganda ready for the commons to sip up, if they have never heard of the counter points that people like me make about the threat of US cities raising US crime levels above Switzerland’s gun crimes. Switzerland is another shocker for people. I speak little about Democrats or Republicans, because they have been conditioned to respond to that. So instead of attacking their strongest point, I find their weakest point and crush it. Something they never thought to defend and were never ordered to consider a vulnerability.
Killing cops or bystanders brings on lots of heat and is bad for business.
Bought my first 22LR rifle more than 60 years ago, delivered to the farmstead by the USPS. I don’t need no stinking gun control. My right fore finger is my gun control.
parker, my left trigger finger is the only thing leftie about me.
It is too early to say that no innocent members of the public will die. Members of the biker gangs are traveling to Texas right now with the intention of killing as many policemen as possible.
Unfortunately for these particular biker gangs, they are mostly white and Hispanic so president Obama and the attorney general won’t be by their sides promoting their crusade to kill cops from the White House.
Maybe I am not looking in the right places, but there seems to be very little detail on what actually happened. For instance, who killed who? There has to be a lot of video on this.
It will be particularly interesting to see which bikers were shooting at the police (horrible shots, too, no hits). And it just goes to show how dumb bikers are, shooting at police while in the middle of a fight with another gang.
It is a good thing that “reliable police intelligence” (one of the few facts we are told) showed that these bikers intended to kill police officers. It will be fascinating to see how a scuffle in the men’s room or argument over a parking space morphed into the biker’s intended attack on police (based on reliable intelligence).
And thank God there was no collateral damage to innocents from the 100 bullets that were fired (the number we are given, with no other information, such as how the number was determined, or the provenance). Those bikers really deserve the worst penalty possible for putting so many people in danger.
We will find out much more soon, probably, but in the meantime this appears to be a good example of how the gang mentality (us against you) leads to mayhem.
Sgt Swanton…added: “This is not a bunch of doctors and dentists and lawyers riding Harleys. These are criminals on Harley-Davidsons.”
Except for the motor cycle clubs present who were just motor cycle clubs, such as the current and former Marines who belong to the Leathernecks motorcycle club.
How many of those present were actually criminals?
The meeting in the restaurant of numerous motorcycle clubs was for what purpose?
And how many of those clubs were indisputably not criminal?
Purely a subjective reaction, but I look at the statements by the police and think that more facts might be useful.
No one here has mentioned that the gangs broke a well-known Texas gun law, no firearms where alcohol is sold. We’ve had that one for well over a hundred years. Still, it failed to prevent violence.
It would seem that the Lefty press is using conflation to good advantage, calling every group that rides motors a ‘gang’. Anyone who cared to know was perfectly aware, thirty or forty years ago, that ‘biker gangs’ ,meaning criminals on motorcycles, were deeply involved in meth manufacture and distribution, prostitution and its subset, stripping. This certainly does put the idea of “bourgeois exploitation of women” into a very different context. The bikers are anything but bourgeois, and the women are definitely degraded, and financially exploited.
The police repeatedly point to the franchise owner of the Waco Twin Peaks as being somehow responsible for the bloodbath, and the restaurant chain has cancelled his franchise agreement. How was he responsible? No one is saying, but it smells like CYA on the parts of the police and Twin Peaks corporate. If he is so responsible, why have no charges been filed? And being south Asian might not be working In his favor.
Yes, that was made very clear from the police statements, the restaurant owner must share a heavy burden of guilt related to these deaths and injuries. It is just difficult to understand exactly how with so few facts beyond failure to cooperate.
I hope the police were not upset and feeling disrespected before the deaths and injuries occurred because of the bad owner. The police spokesman sure sounded like he felt disrespected, and his feelings were hurt.
Did the owner’s bad behavior force the SWAT team to pre-position itself in case a scuffle in the mens room flowered into a situation where the bikers were able to fulfill their intention to kill police officers, as reliable police intelligence stated? That would be bad.
It sort of sounds like the police might have been demanding that the meeting inside the restaurant should not be held in Waco, period, but it is hard to tell. What was the meeting about, and who exactly attended the meeting?
One thing is sure, Waco attracts its share of really, really bad, bad people, like the child abusing Branch Davidians.
And I hope the active or former Marines or other law-abiding motor cycle clubs who attended the meeting didn’t insist to the owner that the police were not welcome to overhear their discussions, whatever they were.
How was he responsible?
Hooters have been sued in the past for discrimination against males, not hiring them as much as hot or attractive girls with large chest features.
This was perhaps in the 90s, which may be why the original Hooters franchise owners sold the franchise. It was a good capital sink and future investment, but attracted all kinds of…. lawyer people and their clients.
They weren’t as big a jackpot as other people, though, but the expenses they had to payout were still decreasing the franchise’s ability to expand.
So they cut and run here because they don’t want to get sued. And the smart business owners know that if they get too much media attention, they will also get the Homo, Gaystapo, and feminazi crowds on them, again. So they’re cowards, but this is America, so I perhaps repeat myself. When a store clerk shoots a robber in defense, he gets fired for a similar reason. When Geller defends American freedom, Americans try to tear her down. This is to be expected. This is how America is right now.
And the biker gangs have very solid social structures. They don’t necessarily work based on what mainstream society says is right, but American freedom originally allowed experiments like them. But they are being alienated the same as anyone else, just that they have the anger and fury and arms to do something about it.
I won’t come down on the side of the polizei or the gangs or anyone, until I research what the Left has been doing. Only until they have been ruled out, can the problem be isolated.
Michael @ 10:36 – –
The article cited by neo only mentions knives and chains, no guns, but an article I read somewhere said knives and chains and bats, but then a gang member pulled a gun. We just don’t know.
Thank God the SWAT team was pre-positioned (or were they – – hard to know) or else those gang members would have really hurt some officers and by-standers with their guns and all the bullets they fired, and with their “reliably reported” intention to kill police officers at this meeting they were attending, whatever it was.
And it is worth mentioning, once again, how some folks love the picture of America as a country of lethal motorcycle gangs, racists, rapers, child abusers, animal torturers, wife beaters, dis-respecters of women, cigarette smokers, polluters, and all around venal imbeciles.
If you are not on board, you are in favor.
Hey, invoke a category, and game over! How high do we jump? Fry ’em! And the sooner the punishment and righteous condemnation starts, the better!
Hey, invoke a category, and game over! How high do we jump? Fry ‘em! And the sooner the punishment and righteous condemnation starts, the better!…
#WhiteBikersLivesMatter!
Wondering since we now have all conspiracies no theories ….
We see through a glass darkly.
I could very well be wrong, and at times suspect I certainly am.
Our social dynamic has been changing, we are more susceptible to manipulation without facts or just a few, with simple reference to categories.
I don’t know what happened in Waco. It sounds weird to me. Is it even possible to get a time line? I have not seen one, let alone one which accounts for all those shot and killed and injured.
The only video I have found is eerie, of docile bikers submitting to police inspection.
On a daily basis we are being subjected to a kittens and puppies, villains and monsters propaganda. We have been and are being groomed for a totalitarian mentality. I hope I am wrong.
Is it even possible to get a time line?
In the DC case, the Left’s propaganda line about terrorists being executed ramming barricades was exposed for what it was by user video. Only user video is qualified to be valid, all other sources can be easily tainted.
I can think of some scenarios. The FBI is known for posing as kids or people wanting to buy/sell bombs on the net, in order to setup ambushes or entrapment ops.
But the federal branch involved here would be the ATF. So they and the prosecutor will offer the most data points for analysis later on.
It could be a civil forfeiture sting that went wrong. It could be a false flag operation, where the conflict was ginned up by undercover agents. This chance increases if there is a SWAT team ready nearby. They normally aren’t alerted until on site intel assets exist.
The police admitted to shooting through into the group. But while this was in response to shots fired, unless there are bullet holes in the police cars, behind them, or police casualties, there’s no evidence for the shots being “fired in defense”. It would be a more pre-emptive attack, and the bullets would have ricocheted around, causing more casualties. As shots were fired, if the gangs didn’t already use firearms, they would have found a way to get them if they thought they were under attack by bullets. So take care to note the order in which things happened.
The SPLC is another data point, if they are proven to be involved, in cooperation with ATF. Once enough organizations demonstrate 3 parallel independent confirmations of cooperation via source verification, then it become something interesting or mysterious.
For example, Ferguson and Baltimore were both situations in which Jackson and Sharpton reacted to. They didn’t act quickly enough for it to be an instigated incident. Thus it implied that the people getting shot were acting on their own authority. Watching how fast people react to an incident is an easy way to see if something alerted them ahead of time.
Whne I was young I did some temp work at a warehouse in SF. One of the other guys working there was a Gypsy Joker, going on trial for killing an Hell’s Angel. He just didn’t seem to give a damn about causing other people pain. Other than that he wasn’t a scary type, just hard.
}}} Most of you have probably read about the fight yesterday between two rival motorcycle gangs in Waco, Texas, in which nine people were killed and at least 18 injured.
…They keep misspelling the town’s name. I’m sure there’s a “k” in there somewhere. … Maybe just before a vowel.
Even though people don’t mention it now, the ATF was in charge of Fast and Furious, a false flag operation to confiscate American guns by forcing US gun sellers to sell to drug cartels and Mexicans. Or maybe people think that was the ATF’s side project for making money, heh.
So what would be their back up project, are people capable of thinking ahead by more than half a baby step?
One thing is sure, Waco attracts its share of really, really bad, bad people, like the child abusing Branch Davidians.
Congratulations on falling to the Leftist propaganda. As much as people think they are immune, they are too weak to claim such a position seriously.
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