In case you haven’t seen this video…
…take a look. I think it explains a lot, although I’d bet money that very few people have watched it.
Remember, also, that this video was made the day after Martin was killed, and Zimmerman had talked to police right away with no advice from counsel. This is the story he told immediately after the killing occurred, with no assistance in crafting it. His story conformed in all but the smallest details with his call to the police that night (which he almost certainly had not heard when he made this video), and did not change over time in any essential way, nor did it conflict with the forensic evidence that developed later (and he could not have known at the time what evidence would eventually develop). The video answers questions about the “following” issues and pretty much all the rest, but most people with an anti-Zimmerman agenda have chosen to ignore it, if they even know about its existence at all:
[ADDENDUM: By the way, I was just listening to a cable TV news show, and there it was again: “The bottom line is that Zimmerman was told to stay in his car, and he got out and followed Trayvon, and if he hadn’t done that none of this would have happened.” The host, the usually sharp Greta Van Susteren, said nothing to correct the speaker. And like clockwork, I’ve heard that exchange or something almost identical nearly every time I listen to a discussion of this case. It has become a completely entrenched False Truth.]
I agree. The walk-through was very helpful to my understanding and sense of the case when sharpie posted the video link earlier.
Separate from the merits of the case, it’s the only time I’ve listened and looked at length at Zimmerman to get a sense of the man.
It’s striking how ordinary he is. If we were to construct a typical middle-class American, setting aside phenotype, I believe he’d be an awful lot like George Zimmerman.
“It’s striking how ordinary he is. If we were to construct a typical middle-class American, setting aside phenotype, I believe he’d be an awful lot like George Zimmerman.” Eric
As you’ve pointed out Eric, that is the point.
This isn’t about the right to self-defense. This isn’t about whether Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin. This isn’t about whether Zimmerman ‘provoked’ Martin by somehow disrespecting him. That’s all smoke and mirrors and attempted justification for prosecuting Zimmerman, as proxy for America’s white middle class.
This is about using any occasion when a minority is killed, however justly, as leverage, to support the contention, that a white majority, by virtue of just being a majority is automatically and inherently racist.
That contention only applies to white majorities because America is white majority and, it is America itself that is the left’s target.
As America goes, so goes the West.
The left is making political, cultural, economic and legalized war upon the social infrastructure of America.
This is all part of turning America into AmeriKa.
I found it telling that fellow residents consistently felt that calling 911 constituted rendering aid.
By doing so, Martin lost his life.
One more person would’ve been too much for Martin’s assault to continue.
The cop showed up only one minute or so too late….
When seconds counted, he was only minutes away.
Thanks, Neo. I hadn’t seen this. Zimmerman seems not just ordinary but also cooperative. He is definitely not acting like a wannabe cop. There is no ego on display, no embellishing to make himself a hero and no exagerating Trayvon’s badness.
This is an interesting record.
Marty seems to have had a rather refined instinct, or perhaps he was lost (in the rain) and was trying to find his way about, just like Zimmerman. But Marty certainly seemed to be suspicious of those cars. So would I, actually, if some car and the driver kept following me around looking at me.
While there are some cosmetic differences, the critical difference is that when Martin popped up out of nowhere, I would have maintained the range, if I had a gun. Allowing people to close in, is the number 1 way to get ambushed and killed at the melee range. Number 2 is getting sniped at range while in the open.
Get that hand up, open palm to show lack of threat, don’t go grabbing for anything. Back away along a line of retreat to your base/supply/fort. And just keep backing off ready to pull the gun if he gets to the point where your palm is pushing him away. Keep using verbal de-escalation techniques to delay his advance. If he looks like he is stoking up for an anger burst, try to divert him with some humour or a question of “how can I help you, you look lost”.
The key in these psychological encounters is to present yourself as 1. not a threat, 2. helpful, 3. an ally, 4. dangerous as hell if pushed, 5. crazy. Any number of those can defuse the situation, but not if you wait for too long (2-5s is too long).
Pick whatever options you think will work and work from there on.
Once you allow someone in range, you will not have an easy time dis engaging nor will you be given time to use your verbal de-escalation tools. You’ll have to use either lethal force, weapon lethal force, or some kind of martial art physical contest to get away or neutralize the threat.
Without range, you are stuck in a brawl.
In general, if a serial killer is a 7 and a kitten is a 1, T Marty here was about a 1.9 on my personal threat scale. But that might be a 6.5 to somebody else, like Zimmerman. Or if something goes bad/lucky for the enemy.
In this world of ours, No One Will Help You.
Soon as you accept that, sooner you can start improving your individual talents and training.
Geoffrey Britain: “This isn’t about …”
I would just tweak that to say this is about all those things. But as a means to an end:
“The left is making political, cultural, economic and legalized war upon the social infrastructure of America. This is all part of turning America into AmeriKa.”
It’s a process of steps.
Everyone’s focus is on race, but race is their divide and conquer strategy. If and when Zimmerman goes down, the way to the chopping block will be opened to white, Hispanic, black, and all other middle-class Americans.
Neo posted earlier about how Stand Your Ground isn’t some license for the KKK to hunt black people. The law has benefited blacks as much or more than anyone else. Nor was SYG a significant part of the Zimmerman case. Yet Holder is moving to make a crusade of it. What’s behind the leap to SYG? It seems that whatever is behind the Zimmerman controversy is bigger than the Zimmerman case.
I found the video quite chilling. If you start at about 12:30 where Zimmerman describes the beating, there comes a point where his gun is uncovered because of their struggle. When Martin sees the gun, Zimmerman describes Martin as going for the gun and saying “You’re going to die tonight m**f**er”. Zimmerman is one hundred percent believable and acted one hundred percent in self-defense. If he hadn’t, he’d have been the dead one and sweet young Trayvon would have graduated from petty thug to full fledged criminal.
Well, this is a gated residence. 51% voted for Obama, by my guess timate. Even Zimmer was an Obamacan.
Gated residences, don’t really give a damn when some minority gets the beating they deserve. So long as the Left deems it necessary… they say nothing, hear nothing, and see nothing.
Question out of left field that has no answer:
It’s possible the 1st time that Martin got a close-up look at Zimmerman was on the footpath.
Zimmerman looks mestizo. If Zimmerman was white, I wonder if Martin would have chosen not to confront him.
‘He’s white, so I’ll get in trouble.’ versus ‘He’s just some Mexican, so I’m going to fight him.’
There’s no answer to that question, but for a teen, superficial differences can mean more and they can make odd associations.
Add: And of course, it doesn’t appear Martin was above racism.
Jungle denizens learn very early on that the streets of urban night life is full of various kinds of people: prey, predators, crazies, kings, honor guards, etc. T Marty here just made a small, slight mistake.
Marty judged Zimmerman to a push over kind of guy and a jungle denizen doesn’t need to take dissing from a prey, sheep, know nothing untouchable.
However, if Marty knew that Zimmerman was one of those “patrollers” of the night who carried the might of the gun and was recognized by the hood as a gang leader or enforcer… Marty would probably have thought twice about confrontations.
Social status matters a lot. For getting it, means getting deaded in the jungle. Misjudge a predator cat for a mouse? Oh yeah.
Zimmerman’s body language did not communicate the “necessary credentials” required of a gang enforcer, shadow assassin, crazy serial killer, or any other such “higher social status class” as recognized by urban jungle denizens.
Ymarsakar:
I doubt that neighborhood watch would have been feared, because they usually do not carry a gun. Zimmerman was carrying a gun as a private citizen, not as a member of watch.
What’s more, all the more reason Martin might have thought it a good idea to suddenly jump him and incapacitate him before the watch guy could do it to him, gun or no gun.
I’m certainly not trained in that sort of thing, to say the least, but that seems logical to me. The element of surprise can overwhelm even someone with a gun. Martin surprised him—and I believe he was physically close to Zimmerman (literally within striking distance) right from the start, and attacked very suddenly.
Zimmerman said that Martin saw the gun and stopped for a bit.
This was Martin realizing that he had attacked, not a prey or a sheep, but one of the neighborhood’s ENFORCERS. Undercover cop. Neighborhood watch. Pitchforks. Mexican, white, black, whatever CLAN full of American “gun running assassins” perhaps *Eric Holder’s ATF*
Martin, at that time, was pissing his pants in fear, I can guarantee that. NOt because he was afraid of Zimmerman’s pasty faced non fighting self. But because Martin realized he had broken the only rule that ever mattered in the hood. Small things are eaten by larger things. Martin tried to swallow up a whale, thinking it was a fish he could sushi fy.
Making that kind of mistake, has caused the crim orgs or mafias to order entire families executed or raped in front of the “perp”. Martin should have been old enough he had heard the stories of what happens to such people who attempt to break the social rules of the jungle.
At the time Martin saw the gun, his body underwent the monkey transformation into the lizard state. Meaning, he started to think in terms of his own personal survival instead of social emotions. He was so afraid for his own life at that point, his anger motivated him to say the converse, which is that “the person he attacked was going to die”. It seemed he believed that if he did that, attacked, and took the gun away, he would live. When Zimmerman demonstrated that this wouldn’t be allowed, Marty gave up. But I don’t think he gave up because he realized he was mortally wounded, but because his instincts commanded him to obey.
Zimmer wasn’t wrong when he thought Marty had given up the fight. Marty had. But it took a few too seconds too late. If Marty had been streetfighting with fists, he might have ran for it then, but he was mma pounding some guy. He couldn’t run for it when he saw the gun. So he reached for the gun, hoping that it would save his life from the consequences he realized he was in.
One time there was a mugging in New York City, there was a sufficient struggle between the woman, her purse, and the mugger that police was able to arrive and make the mugger submit. As they were taking the statements of the witnesses for the record, the name of the woman was mentioned and written down, for the record. When asked if she wanted to press charges, she smiled and refused. The perp, though, then demanded that the police arrest him and put him in jail
The perp had heard her name and realized she was the daughter scion of one of the major mafia bosses of the area.
If he wasn’t in jail that night, his corpse would be found doing interesting things by the police later on.
neo-neocon,
at the time I would estimate that the particular organization didn’t matter. Any organization is a higher social creature when a young guy alone is trying to survive in the jungle, with no particular economic, military, or social allies at hand.
The kind of fear people in the jungle learn, is very foreign and alien to people who live in sheltered civilizations and towns. It is often times irrational, but it isn’t irrational but perfectly suited to survival.
Martin’s “intelligent” friend told him some things that would have prejudiced his thinking, certainly if he was afraid and unsure/lost at the time. If Marty had ever believed that Zimmerman was part of a “higher social class” backed by force, than Marty, Marty would have been able to swallow his pride and let it go.
Because that’s how people survive when faced with guns, assault rifles, and serial killers. The jungle denizens BACK DOWN. It’s no longer about pride, but about whether you want to eat dirt cocooned underground for a few decades.
People that don’t live under the protection of white civilization, so to speak, don’t think in those terms.
They think in terms of mafis, gangs, etc. They intellectually are aware that the neighborhood watch isn’t out to “get them”, but this is a very shallow understanding. So if Martin was doing a predator role and trying to burglarize the neighborhood, sure he might have considered Zimmerman’s organization. But that doesn’t appear to be the role he was playing at the time.
Or at least, that wasn’t his primary role at the time.
In moments of danger, people fall back on their instincts and their ingrained socialized skill sets. For a gang or hood member, their reality is the reality of force, violence, and fear. Even if they were intellectually aware that the whiteys in the gated communities were different, they weren’t going to bet their life on it.
Even criminals will run away from people, even without the threat of 911, police, or the watch coming.
The only situation that makes sense to me that Martyn confronted Zimmerman were
1. Martin got lost, again, doubled back, saw Z man.
2. Martin hid in one of those side panel walls, waiting for Z man to go by him so he could ambush/run away from this stalker (gay rapist). Martin was doubling back, saw Z man, became afraid, then murderously angry.
3. Martin couldn’t swallow his pride and have his friends all say that he was being chased by a gay rapist that was going to make him his B, while Martin ran around wet and in the rain lost. So Martin wanted his pride back and needed a fight to get it.
I cannot think of a realistic circumstance where Martin would know that Z man was part of an official group tasked with patrolling the area, without knowing whether he was armed or had police/backup, yet still attacked him.
Now if he was high on drugs, that would certainly be something for it, but that’s not rationality to me.
Ymarsakar:
Zimmerman does NOT say that Martin saw the gun and stopped for a bit. Perhaps you should listen to the end of the tape again. He never says that, at least not to my knowledge.
Zimmerman says that Martin saw the gun and reached for it, saying something like “You’re going to die, m-fucker.”
Then Zimmerman shot him. Zimmerman says that after that, Martin (gravely wounded, although at first Zimmerman was unaware of whether he’d been wounded at all) sat up for a moment and said either “you got it” (Zimmerman thought Martin might be alluding to the fact that Zimmerman had a gun) or “You got me”. After that Zimmerman got on top of Martin as Martin fell or at any rate went down, wounded.
It took a while for Zimmerman to realize Martin had been wounded. And he only learned Martin had died after the police told him so, hours later. But Martin certainly didn’t hesitate (according to Zimmerman, the only witness) when he saw the gun. Au contraire, he seems to have seen it as an opportunity to threaten or kill Zimmerman.
Zimmerman mentioned that when his gun was showed, Martin looked at it for a bit. This is an interpretation, since Z man mentioned primarily that he felt the hands go to his gun first, not that he saw the hands first.
“I saw… I feel like he saw, looked at”-Z
This is evidence that Martin hesitated and there was a delay introduced.
The delay was “long” enough that Zimmerman even “felt” like Martin was looking at something when Z didn’t seem to be able to see Martin at all at the time. That was how long the “delay” felt like.
Ymarsaker:
Boy, I don’t hear it that way at all. Zimmerman seems to be saying that Martin perceived the gun and went for it to threaten him all in one smooth flow.
Martin certainly couldn’t go for a gun without perceiving it for at least a split second, could he? I get no sense of a hesitation of any duration on Martin’s part except the duration needed to perceive there is a gun for the taking. It’s Zimmerman who hesitates a moment when telling the story, saying “I feel like he [Martin] saw it.” Zimmerman seems to be searching for the right term to describe, hesitating between the words “looked” and “saw” it. It sounds like it all happened in a fluid sequence to me, with Martin’s threat to Zimmerman coming almost instantaneously on perceiving the gun.
Thanks for the video. I had not seen it before. It is pretty much exactly the same story we heard in court. I agree that Zimmerman is quite ordinary and quite believable.
I have linked this back as a reference for someone who is trying to make up a narrative the makes Zimmerman guilty.
Thank you, Neo, for posting this video. I found it very interesting. It really cleared up the sequence of events. And made it starkly clear how inaccurate the standard version of events as presented by reporters and pundits was and is.
Having seen this, the only things I would fault Zimmerman for would be the tactical errors of failing to maintain awareness of his surroundings, thus allowing Martin to close with him and then, having let Martin get within striking range of him, taking his eyes off Martin to look for his cell phone.
Zimmerman’s account in this video looks completely convincing to me.
Does anyone know if this video was ever played on any of the major news shows? I would be surprised if it was since it clearly does not fit the party line.
Neo: “It has become a completely entrenched False Truth.”
I see from your sidebar, you have 149 posts carrying an Iraq label, so I assume you’re experienced with the immovability of a completely entrenched false truth.
Given that the Democrats and the media used false truths to great political effect during the Bush administration, we shouldn’t be surprised that they would continue to use an effective tool when in power.
Oddly, the video confirmed what I thought had happened from reading the bits and pieces I’ve read since the beginning.
I go with Ymarsaker about the lack of fluidity in TM noticing the gun (and Y’s speculation about what was going through TM’s head) and Y’s interpretation, neo.
Z’ described the way time expands in those kinds of moments, where eternities pass in milliseconds …when time slows down, and a second is many minutes.
My suspicion has exponentially grown though, after hearing Z’s walkthrough dialogue, about the motivational factor behind why TM circled back …and that his movement was due to what I suspect Rachel J’ has left unsaid [to anyone!] in public about the full content of her phone conversation with TM during those moments when TM made the decision to go back after Z.
You can take that for what it’s worth in salt and tears; but it’s my belief that TM was “proving” something to someone, and unlike Ymarsaker, I don’t think it was about jungle ideation at all (though I found your description fascinating, Ymarsaker …and also think you’re correct about what coursed through TM’s thoughts during his last few seconds on this plane) …but rather something more common between hyper hormonal teenage boys and teenage girls who are deep in the rut …and I speculate that the someone who knows exactly why TM turned back to where Death awaited him, is never, ever going to admit her …active …part in this tragedy.
If I’m interpreting what she did say about creepy-ass crackers as being the clue, I think deciphering TM’s motivation – to impress her with his courage and vigor – isn’t a stretch at all.
RJ still has secrets.
She’ll go to the grave with the truth.
…well, if my read on this a’right.
Which at the least might make part of a good scene in a script about all this.
Neo re the video, thanks. I may have seen this before, but I certainly found it interesting to watch now. Sad how few have bothered to avail themselves of it since July of last year.
davisbr says,
I agree. She didn’t call the police because she says, while sworn on the stand (if that means anything), that she just thought it was a fight. You know, one of those everyday occurrences wherein there was nothing to get upset about.
Trayvon was just taking care of business … with someone she supposedly advised him to run from earlier. Someone she says “to her mind” he had successfully eluded, to the point of getting within two houses of his Daddy’s fiancee’s house.
close paraphrase “I told him ‘Run Trayvon run’ ”
Later, Why didn’t you call the police?
paraphrase :”I thought it was just a fight”
And now she admits that she thinks that Trayvon threw the first punch.
What’s left to say, regarding the state’s case?
It sounds like it all happened in a fluid sequence to me, with Martin’s threat to Zimmerman coming almost instantaneously on perceiving the gun.
While I’m reconstructing T Martin’s pov, it’s from Zimmerman’s evidence claims that is the base.
Zimmerman put things in a linear time scale, 1, 2, 3, etc. What led me to conclude that the reconstruction of the incident had a delay on Martin’s part is because of what Zimmerman reported Martin said during the fight, as well as Zimmerman’s own accurate analysis and details (which would normally only be feasible if he had time to distinguish 1 from 2)
That was an entire full sentence “you are going to die tonight mfer”. Adrenaline probably allowed Zimmerman to capture it cleanly, for permanent memory storage. Z man even heard the “mfer” at the end, and didn’t just “reconstitute” the last half from the first half of the sentence (which is usually the case with eye witnesses that don’t clearly hear things)
From what I know, people who plan on saving their lives or ending someone else’s lives, don’t have enough brain time to spare for talking. They talk before they act, not while they act.
Zimmerman also consistently kept saying the word “feel” for things he perceived to be true. Such as where Martin’s arms were going. Such as what Martin was doing, even though Zimmerman was crawling around on the grass/sidewalk sideways, making it very hard look up or around at Martin. (MMA side control perhaps)
So this wasn’t with his eyes he was perceiving the chain of events. So what would lead Zimmerman to think a person attacking him and maybe trying to kill him, would then “look” at his sidearm, say a full sentence, and then Zimmerman would have the time to conclude that Martin was going to get that gun and use it on him?
Those are 2 or more different OODA sequences, which can go anywhere from 2 to 10 seconds.
As a comparison, Zimmerman couldn’t adequately report how he got on the ground or how Martin “got on top of him”, even though physically this might take 1 to 5 seconds. He couldn’t do it even though he was looking straight at his attacker (tunnel vision) and upright. He couldn’t report his feeling, because he was unable to have time to perceive what was going on. Things that all happen at once or too quickly for a sequence to built, human minds just perceive it as a jumble. But Zimmerman didn’t perceive his sequence as a jumble. Which suggests to me that it took longer than a physical struggle to put Z man on the ground by Martin. Yet Zimmerman clearly had time to reconstruct the chain of events leading up to the firearm draw, at least his interpretation of it in a sequential motion. And this was when he felt his life was on the line.
The expansion of perceived time due to adrenaline and life threatening situations can explain how Zimmerman was able to clearly articulate a sequence of events as he saw it. But it doesn’t explain why Martin took those precious seconds to say a full sentence.
To be able to shift from a monkey bar room fight, to thinking of killing someone or being killed by someone, to being able to talk, is a substantial amount of time for Martin, no matter how short it may have been to Zimmerman.
If Martin had already planned on killing Zimmerman, he would have just saw the gun, 1/2 seconds later got the gun, and shot ZImmerman. There wouldn’t have been any need to “verbalize” things. Even in street fights, people aren’t usually “verbalizing” their threats as they use their fists, let alone in a life/death conflict. It’s either before or afterwards that they start talking a lot. During their attack or defense, they say nothing. They fully concentrate on the action.
FBI hostage negotiators use this to keep someone talking, so they aren’t thinking of executing the hostages. So long as they are talking, they aren’t shooting. There’s a significant delay and time required to shift mental gears. So long as a person is talking, they don’t have time to switch gears. They have to stop talking, then they can take 1-2 seconds to switch gears.
This “delay” on Martin’s part is inferred from Zimmerman’s account, juxtaposing the two perspectives together and reconstructing events. I can get a more accurate basis if I could question Zimmerman directly. Even if things flowed to one point for Zimmerman, Martin’s reported actions (by Z man) didn’t “flow” at all. It was very sequential with a lot of OODA loops. Far more than is necessary to kill or attempt to escape death.
To expound a little further in my own way to Ymarsakar’s excellent analysis:
When you are in a highly critical situation of some sort – and even moreso in a life-threatening one – the “flow” of time, i.e., for the participant(s) …changes.
Call it “real time” that has become disconnected from “perceptual time” for the participant(s).
To an outside casual observer of the event, time flows in the usual linear fashion, at the same “speed” as usual (a minute remains a minute).
From the “observer perspective” (and even then, only if they themselves possess an unusual mental acuity in the ability to process “high speed events”), the only “time” peculiarity may be in how fast the physical action and reaction times of the participants have become (due to the adrenal surge having pushed the event participants into otherwise phenomenal feats of mental acuity and physical reactions).
To wit: the event participant(s) exhibit much faster than what appear as otherwise normal purely physical movements to the outside observer.
But it’s not that way – to the participant(s) – from “inside” the event. For the “perceptual time” of the participant(s) has become compressed, and though time “flow” appears as usual to them, in reality they are mentally processing – and physically reacting – at speeds that are in no wise part of the ordinary human state, or experience (i.e., most people have never experienced …had cause to experience …this).
When you are in this …enhanced …state, you are mentally and physically faster than is ordinarily possible. Here’s the kicker: you might not know it.
Because time flow still seems “ordinary”. To you.
(In conversations over the years, my pet term for this condition is “situational awareness”, by which I mean the ability – and to a degree, it can be taught and practiced – to prepare yourself for entering this state of mental awareness and enhanced reactions …or “time flow”. But I also liken it to the old Norse term, the Berserker Rage, which I believe is a more, shall we say, emotional variant of the state.)
…and – accepting the above – it’s quite possible (I’d assert highly probable), that Z was going in and out of this state when TM threatened, and then attacked him.
And so the disjointedness (if you will), that so struck Ymarsarkar (and myself) as being evident from Z’s observational descriptions during the walkthrough, is quite reasonable and conclusive of Z’s veracity.
…been there, done that (which are several life stories in and of themselves lol).
Since my original interpretation was focused primarily on Martin’s perspective, his reactions were more important to me at the time. Zimmerman’s reactions made normal sense (not common sense, just normal). Martin’s reactions, I explained as I have above.
The stories I’ve collated over time seems to suggest that based around the environmental stimuli and a person’s individual quirks, their mental internal perceptions can become very different. A door kicker in a SWAT team can perceive the room clear as being one long 2 hour conversation with his buddies making funny comments. Another guy in the same team can perceive it as happening in 5 seconds what took 30 seconds. Another guy could simply be blank and says he doesn’t remember doing anything in those 30 seconds it took to clear the room. Etc
Adrenaline, how big the spike it has in the beginning, people’s tolerance and reactions to it, and how adrenaline tapers off or otherwise affects the mind, as well as endorphine reactions and what not, were side topics I had to research for an unrelated context (not crime).
It turned out to be useful for H2H conflicts as well or war.
Much as those who go up to mountains, meditate fast and achieve nirvana/satoh/enlightenment, can’t come back down and write down their impressions of the Universal Truth, so the same is for those who have experienced a mentality suited to battle and survival.
It is not something they used or understood with words, so with words they cannot easily explain or process it. Even though PTSD episodes can be analyzed with words if such training is provided as a form of therapy. Most of the words lose their meaning, though some of it can be transferred. Those who have not experienced such states, can only get a slim percentage though. Those who have been in survival situations where their brains recognized their life was on the line, can probably adapt such experiences to other people’s situations, eventually.
I’m with Blert on this:
“I found it telling that fellow residents consistently felt that calling 911 constituted rendering aid.”
It could be that those who said they would call 911 rather than “join the fight” were not able to physically help – but, could that really be true for every one of them?
Here was a guy helping THEIR neighborhood and they feel that “call the cops” is the best they can do to help Zimmerman when his life is in danger. Shameful, just shameful.
It’s probably the reason why that neighborhood has a lot of burglaries. The mentality of the people are very victim like
Not exactly armed to the teeth type of mentality. Burglars can pretty much guess those kind of people aren’t trained to fight, nor will be armed to any great extent. Free money.