The best revenge…
…for what?
For having more money than the members of Obama’s audience, of course. Romney’s rich, and the rich are the enemy—unless they’re Democrats.
Barack Obama, such a likeable guy.
Any other questions?
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Also agree with Powerline’s take – it’s revenge for daring to run against the mighty Obama. Both. Revenge against everything evil America has ever done.
I have to admit this little incident is forcing me to revise my prediction to some extent. I still am certain Obama is going to win, but probably not by the margin I predicted. Indeed, I would take him down to the 350’s in the EC. He won’t win any McCain states. He will win every state he won in 2008, except Indiana, North Carolina and Nebraska-2. I believe based on the pre-census map, that puts him at 353; slight adjustment for reapporitionment which I didn’t calculate.
I do think I overestimated Obama and his handlers, once again. After the first debate, we increasingly saw the real Obama, the unscripted, unfiltered Obama: arrogant, petty, small, prickly. I believed Romney was on his way to victory both because of his own success and because the facade had finally collpased, the veil lifted on the President’s real personality and actual motivations.
And then, Sandy. Deus Ex Machina. My assumption was that Obama and the Democrats would exploit the tragedy to show him as “Presidential” as a manager, a leader, a compassionate, yet determined problem solver. They did all of that successfully. (Chris Christie helped). But, but, but… The coup d’grace would be extrapolating from that to demonstrate how he will do the same, writ large, for America in the next four years. In other words, run a very upbeat, inspiring, lofty campaign for the final four days.
Yeah, well, not so much. It’s as though, Obama’s petty, prickly meltdown was simply put on hold during the storm. Now it’s back. This clearly was an unscripted, off teleprompter moment. I’m just utterly amazed that Obama is so clueless and his handlers so inept. But, maybe I shouldn’t be.
Meanwhile, after bungling for four days, Romney is closing well so far. The speech in Wisconsin was great, the super rally in Ohio appeared to go very well, and most importantly, his people are exploiting the “revenge” gaffe to the fullest. Bravo!
But, not nearly enough in my opinion. But who knows? There’s still two days for Obama’s hubris to snatch defeat out the jaws of victory. He’s certainly capable of no less.
The Marxist concept of revenge is like the Islamic one in the cause for it: Revenge for unbelievers standing in the way of world domination, which is the believers’ entitlement.
Ackler: I’ve been reading a lot of polling analyses and I don’t think anyone thinks Obama will win big.
Win maybe, but not big.
Three most likely scenarios are Obama ekes out a win, Romney ekes out a win, or (my favorite) the polls aren’t reflecting Republican enthusiasm and Romney wins big.
While far from certain, I believe the only candidate who is toying with 300+ electoral votes is Romney. If Obama wins, I expect it will be by a number well, well under 350.
Ackler reminds me of the Ten Spies of the Torah (Numbers 13 and 14).
I still am certain Obama is going to win, but probably not by the margin I predicted.
A comforting fantasy for many, to be sure.
In the real world, it’s clear that the nation will choose Romney by a solid margin. The polls showing Obama ahead are deliberately using the 2008 model. In Ohio, 270,000 fewer Democrats have voted early compared to the same point in the 2008 election. Obama carried Ohio by less than that in 2008, so he’s toast there. Plus, the Obama strategy has consisted of getting his most likely voters to vote early, leaving him fewer reserves on election day.
Romney, on the other hand, has concentrated on getting his least-likely voters to vote early. Thus on election day he has a massive reserve of likely voters. He’s “bungled” nothing, while the president put another nail in his electoral coffin by making one of his trademark gaseous speeches about how he ordered all the red tape to be cut in getting aid to the East Coast and then jetted off to campaign.
He’s blissfully unaware that the normally protective media is calling Sandy “Obama’s Katrina,” and multiple papers have published op-eds about the coverup over the president’s lethal indifference to the fate of American citizens in Benghazi.
As for Obama’s brain-dead “revenge” remark, his expression as he says it matches the one he donned when gay activists had the nerve to interrupt His Excellence at a fundraiser for Boxer.
Note the brief moment of glaring hatred in Obama’s face; the way he actually brushes his shoulder where Boxer touches him; and then the way he seems to remember where he is and switches on his well-practiced grin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOrm32arPcc
This cheap, phony, rage-filled, mentally ill, incompetent, corrupt, amoral, lying hologram of a person will be voted out of office in a matter of days. Count on it.
And then we’ll never again have to witness our president behaving as abnormally as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsQ5wxZI1U4
Ackler, Obama had 365 electoral votes in 2008. However Romney will hold all of McCain’s electoral votes and at minimum will take Florida, Indiana, and North Carolina for a total of an additional 53 electoral votes.
That will leave a ceiling of 312 electoral votes for Obama if he carries all of the swing states. That ain’t gonna happen.
Dont forget to punish their enemies too.
Ackler Says:
“I have to admit this little incident is forcing me to revise my prediction to some extent.”
Your funny. Keep the day job though.
Ackler: “My assumption was that Obama and the Democrats would exploit the tragedy to show him as “Presidential” as a manager, a leader, a compassionate, yet determined problem solver. They did all of that successfully.”
I’m 1 1/2 blocks from Zone A in downtown NYC. Nobody here is looking at Obama as presidential, FEMA as a savior, or anybody – government or ngo’s – as competent. Democratic celebrities are partay-ing in mid-town (Thanks Bette!) while FEMA can’t bring bottled water in until Monday. Bloomberg, who endorsed Obama just before Sandy hit, only cancelled the marathon when a spotlight was put on all the generators being saved for use by the media during the marathon, instead of for people literally near death from exposure in Staten Island (not to mention all the families who lost their homes due to Sandy being evicted from hotel rooms for the marathon runners). And the pictures are starting to hit the front pages everywhere.
The dems’ mood here is hardly great. I think even they are upset or embarrassed how things have been mishandled. Sure, the rich bought their way out of the storm ($$$ hotels, etc.), but you just can’t hide this reality from anybody. Standing in a long line at Union Square to get dry ice on Thursday, nobody – and I mean nobody – was talking about the election. This is the second home for OWS and even they were silent for once. That should tell you something.
Obama might squeak through, but if he does, it will be due to dirty tricks. There’s an exhausted mood here in Manhattan that I hope doesn’t bode well for Obama.
Romney by 300+.
Revenge? Revenge? WTF?
I believe it sounds better in the original: Vergeltung.
Jay Cost is now predicting that PA goes to Romney. If that proves to be true then this election belongs to Romney.
I don’t know of any public figure I have detested as much as I do Obama. I just cannot understand how we elected him in the first place and how he can be even close to Romney in the polls.
I don’t think the polls are that close, these last RR rally’s are drawing immense crowds, 30K last night in Ohio, when 3 of Obama’s in Ohio didn’t draw 10K put together, tonight in Denver looks like a blowout also, 17K.
Bigger than red rocks:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_21922720/romney-rally-at-comfort-dental-amphitheatre-may-be
KLSmith, 6:23 pm: “Also agree with Powerline’s take — it’s revenge for daring to run against the mighty Obama. Both. Revenge against everything evil America has ever done.”
Yes, revenge for daring to run against the mighty Obama;
[M J R now adds . . . ]
– for having the temerity to puncture forever the fragile cult-bubble of all those who worship at the feet of The One [exalted be He forever],
– for having the temerity to actually call Him to account for his record [for the first time, nowhere to run],
– for having the temerity to act literate and civilized when doing the latter, instead of acting like the bigoted yahoos the left habitually imagine are the only opposition to The One.
There . . . that felt better.
Dont forget to get everyone.. voting for Romney.. you know.. to actually show up and vote. Good polls can be just as big a hazard as bad.
In Ohio, 270,000 fewer Democrats have voted early compared to the same point in the 2008 election.
This is significant. Also, in early voting overall this election, there has been a +3.4% increase in the net number of white voters and nearly a 4% net decrease among black voters compared to the 2008 numbers. (PeachPundit, http://www.peachpundit.com/2012/10/19/comparing-early-voting-turnout-2008-vs-2012/). They’re just not feeling the love for Obama that they did in ’08.
And yeah, Ackler, don’t quit your day job. Hopefully it doesn’t involve any sort of financial forecasting…
‘I have to admit this little incident is forcing me to revise my prediction to some extent’
That’s the problem with predictions unless they are based on science. They assume to many unproved variables, My equally unscientific prediction is that Romney will win by a margin somewhere between comfortable and a nailbighter.
I accidently hit send before I edited that last post. It should have read:
‘I have to admit this little incident is forcing me to revise my prediction to some extent’
That’s the problem with predictions unless they are based on science. They assume to many unproved variables, My equally unscientific prediction is that Romney will win the popular vote fairly comfortably but the Electoral College will be a nail biter.
Concern troll recently popping up here = desperation in the Obama camp.
I’m going with Romney. I know Obama now, and he’s about 0.01 Romney.
“Voting is the best revenge.”
Which is why ∅bama and his handlers try to keep him glued to the teleprompter. Whenever he speaks without a script, the real ∅bama comes out, and it ain’t pretty.
Though perhaps ∅bama is correct when looking at those of us who will crawl over broken glass to vote for Romney. Voting ∅bama out might well be considered the best revenge for putting up with four mendacious years of The Won.
∅bama has definitely been the most polarizing President in many a year.
kaba Says:
November 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
If Pennsylvania is called for Romney on election night, then it’s time to break out the champagne.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2012/11/03/breaking_naacp_takes_over_polling_station_advocates_for_president_obama_at_houston_polling_location
Revenge proved a powerful political motivation in the 20th century, leading men like Obama (whom I won’t mention) to rule countries (which I won’t mention).
These are the men Obama admires (he hangs Christmas ornaments of their likenesses) and he works every day for the USA to be like those countries.
Ahhh, revenge! 🙂
And it ain’t just Obama … O’s Puppeteer, Valerie Jarrett speaks in the same vein:
“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go.”
~~ Valerie Jarrett
http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/evil-incarnate/
Lovely people. Just lovely, right? *eyes rolling*
I watched the inauguration of President Eisenhower in 1953 and have followed Presidents ever since. Obama is the most divisive and mendacious President of my lifetime. God help us if he is re-elected.
A high quality concern troll, at least, so we have that going for us.
The President drew a biggish crowd in Milwaukee (expanding the map, anyone?), but maybe it was to see Katy Perry in a tight rubber dress. Although she doesn’t have the legs to get away with a dress like that. Why do I feel like I’m channeling “What Not to Wear?”
Field report:
On Friday, Mrs. Oblio took a walk around our neighborhood, an inner ring suburb of Minneapolis. In 2008, my street was covered by a blizzard of Obama yard signs, and our McCain/Palin sign looked pretty lonely. This year, there are far fewer signs of any kind, and by Mrs. Oblio’s count, the score was Romney/Ryan 11, Obama 0. This is a battleground neighborhood and socially liberal. Big shift in Minnesota.
In a sane and just world this President would produce ample amounts of liberal guilt. The problem of course is you have to actually have a conscience to feel guilty.
Here’s what “Donald in Hawaii” a white Democratic politician from Hawaii thinks about his fellow whites who vote Republican:
” Well, I guess we could be just as ignorant. (none / 0) (#49)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 03, 2012 at 02:43:47 PM EST
I mean, given that Romney is probably going to capture about 55% of the white vote, I’ve generalized that this means most white Republican voters are prejudiced and stupid. Some would say that’s an ignorant statement, while I’d retort that this video only proves my point. ”
Actually his earlier statement was not about “white Republican voters” it was about whites in general. Whites in general are stupid bigots because they mostly vote Republican.
THIS is the modern day Democratic party. Only self-loathing white men (and feminist white women) need apply.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2012/11/3/52434/0573
I must also point over that at Talkleft they are now very sure of victory.
They’ve run various electoral maps and -because early voting turnout has been good and seems to favor Obama- they assume regular turnout will be good and that Obama has this in the bag.
PLEASE everyone…do something to help Romney win this election.
Here’s a good way to help:
1. Go to http://www.mittromney.com/call-home-landing .
2. Sign in or register.
3. Follow instructions to begin making phone calls… not a lot of fun but winning and helping to save our country is worth it. The site is extremely well done and helpful.
4. Making phone calls is a lot easier than placing our lives in danger in Afghanistan like our troops do, isn’t it?
because early voting turnout has been good and seems to favor Obama
Really? Everything I’ve read says that Romney is up 6 points in the early voting.
I eagerly await the woeful wailings of Andrew Sullivan on Wednesday.
Steve D:
I should have clarified:
It’s because the likely battleground states seem to favor Obama in early voting. This is all based on electoral vote and nothing else. As you know the popular vote could be very close or even go to Romney and he could still lose the election.
Brad: That’s what makes the Electoral College system much more interesting than a straight vote. But where do you get this information. For example, in Wisconsin there has been a lot more early voting in GOP heavy areas.
http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/03/wisconsin-early-voting-gains-solid-in-gop-areas-2/
On another subject here is an interesting article on people lying to pollsters. But what he doesn’t say is that I believe that a lot of people may lie to pollsters just to mess with them.
http://jewishodysseus.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-secret-of-romney-landslide-here.html
Here is an interesting article about why people lie to pollsters. But what he doesn’t say and what I believe is that a lot of people may lie (or just simply give random answers) to pollsters just to mess with them.
E.g. how often might a pollster get contradictory responses to his questions and what does he do with them (throw them out)? Like this:
1. I strongly disapprove of this presidents performance but
2. I definitely plan to vote for this president.
http://jewishodysseus.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-secret-of-romney-landslide-here.html
Revenge for wealth? No, no, that’s too narrow. After all, plenty of Obama’s supporters are very rich indeed.
No, when he speaks of revenge, he means revenge for everything. For America’s existence. For people owning slaves a century and a half ago. For settling this continent and building a wealthy nation. For fighting against the evil “progressive” megalomania of the Marxists and Fascists. For being who we are and believing what we believe.
That is our offense against Obama and his supporters. Our existence.
To delve into Freudian theorizing, Obama has never “belonged” anywhere in his life. He wasn’t Hawaiian, he wasn’t Indonesian, he wasn’t an American black man or an American white man either. He is the ultimate outsider. Stir into that a heady dose of Marxist theory from his parents and grandparents, and you get a man full of hate and self-pity — a perpetual victim who has been handed everything by the people he despises as “oppressors,” a chameleon capable of changing into whatever he thinks will gain him any advantage, a hollow man with nothing but a sense of grievance.
He could have been great. He could have been the racial uniter white voters hoped for — but that would have meant abandoning his resentments, and he couldn’t do that. He could have broken the logjam in government and actually reduced spending — but that wouldn’t have let him punish businessmen for being successful. He could have genuinely shifted American foreign policy — but he hates America and could never stand up for her best interests.
He is a failure who will never understand why he failed. He will lose on Tuesday and blame it on all of the same “them” he has been angry with his whole life. He will take the fact that he was elected President and failed as proof that America is racist and unfair. He will want MORE revenge.
Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Colorado.
Obama could lose three of those and still get to 270 if he carries all of his 2008 states except for NC and Indiana, which he will obviously not win this time. Romney must win all 4 states or, failing to do so, steal another one of Obama’s 2008 states. So, why is he campaigning in PA, WI, etc? My guess is he knows winning all 4 of those states is unlikely, so he must steal another of Obama’s 2008 states.
My prediction: Romney wins popular vote, especially with the the light Post-Sandy turnout in the northeastern solid blue states, and Obama wins electoral vote, just barely.
Kungfu: I think Obama IS going to lose Virginia, AND Florida, AND Ohio, AND Colorado — AND Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, too. He’s going to be lucky to get more than 45% of the popular vote, and when you consider how concentrated much of his support is in places like California, Illinois, and New York, he’s spread very thin elsewhere. He is going DOWN.
Trimegistus,
Care to wager?
Technological tea leaves and computerized crystal balls are no more reliable than the older kind.
He could have been great. He could have been the racial uniter white voters hoped for
The greatest service he could have provided has nothing to do with whites, namely, to have a collective Sister Souljah moment for the aggrieved members of black America.
From the ultimate bully pulpit he could have taken a leaf from Bill Cosby and exhorted the black underclass to pull up their socks, to stop deprecating education and meaningful achievement, to abandon their childish fantasies of making it big in athletics, to shun rappers, to turn their backs on gangbangers, and to stop blaming others for their shortcomings. In short, to grow up.
His influence could have turned a page in the American social dynamic by removing the biggest single impediment to racial comity. THAT would have made him a truly great, truly historic President.
Instead, we got … well, we all know what we got.
Romney is holding a rally today at Shadybrook Farms in Yardley, PA – a suburb of Philly and less than 5 miles from Trenton, the capital of NJ – Democrat land. This is big! His inside polls must be telling him he can win PA if he’s coming this far east.
The misery index from Sandy is really high right now in Bucks county PA and Mercer NJ. Obama is running a negative campaign, not a good idea when people need hope. A summer storm would have been more bearable, the past week has been cold and dark. After 6 days my power was just turned on last night and I was able to print out my rally tickets. With or without power, nothing is going to keep me from voting on Tuesday.
Brad: you report that early voting has gone well for Democrats in swing states, and therefore Democrats are optimistic. But everything I’ve read indicates that although Democrats lead in early voting in general, Republican early voting is way ahead of what it was in 2008. That represents a change in favor of Republicans. How do you reconcile that?
Justice does not result from high minded idealism but starts with the impulse of revenge. It is no more divorced from the nature of man than the other virtues and vices. It exists because a transcendent God has declared for justice, which declaration exists in every man because every man has been made in His image.
But revenge, that impulse which at once makes a man judge and jury, is, by God’s law, denied to the individual and shall be administered by a social process. The God of the Jews required his people to place their hot desires for revenge in his commandments rather than in a free for all which is revealed in the slogan “No Justice, No Peace.” The Biblical way turns that phrase around and requires the wronged party to abide in peace and trust in God’s way until justice has been achieved.
Obama has shown that he is willing to jettison three millinium of tradition and wisdom and trade the horrific version of immediate revenge for justice. We don’t deny his sense of outrage for, say the consequences of the BP oil spill or the GM bankruptcy, but his solution was revenge and he thwarted the rule of law to obtain it. In both cases, justice was not achieved.
Such a man is a rebel and accepts only his own authority. For all those who applaud him, they should know he has no particular sympathy for them and will ignore due process if ever there is a conflict between them and him. The excursion into Libya, the killing of American citizens, the granting of amnesty, all these and many more of Obama’s actions show he will deny the social process of justice and make justice a result of his impulse for revenge.
Ultimately, his followers will taste of this corruption should his power continue to grow. The media and Hollywood and academia, so rich in their support of the social judicial process, so willingly to make documentaries and throw lavish fund raising parties and “raise awareness” have all abdicated their recent positions to support a fake champion who raises his fist against any limitations whatsoever.
The well-spring of their revenge is against God who dares “limit” their freedom and so they find great cause and unity with their Leader. It only takes a little bit of living, however, to find that unfettered freedom brings the manacles of misery; the self-spoiled man is a suicidal man willing to take all others down.
The election is, at a more fundamental level, a choice not between more or less federal government, but a choice to accept or rebel against Nature and Nature’s God.
benning: that link to the Jarrett quote gives no source for the quote. Extremely unreliable.
Brad is either lying or unknowing of the facts of the results of early polling. In 2008, early voting was an uncontested weapon used by the Obama campaign to demoralize the opposition. In 2012, this tactic has been rendered useless by Romney’s campaign.
The illiberals are hyperventilating because they know, deep down they know, that pollling results have been improperly skewed. They know a tie is really a Romney win because the chances of the same proportions of a 2008 turnout are nil. And even worse, other factors which skew poll results all skew them in the Democrats favor.
Mitt’s momentum continues. Hurricane Sandy has not enhanced but depeleted Obama’s credibility. Benghazi continues to drip, drip, drip. Obama helps out with gaffes like “revenge” and the endorsements continue to help Romney, even when they are against him.
It’s a perfect storm and my “blink” tells me this country, although deeply divided, has enough truth and good in it to defeat the lies of Barack Obama.
Neo:
I merely reported on what Talkleft is saying.
I am not a progressive, and I only hold a few “liberal” positions. Since what I reported was not my position, I don’t feel I have to defend it. You can go there and read tons of discussion yourself. They’ve done almost as much election coverage as you have, and you admit to being a bit overboard with it. 🙂
I think I’ve mentioned here before my personal opinion is that Obama will lose because he will not get the turnout he did in 2008. I’m not sweating details.
Brad: I guess my question, then, would be whether they attempt to address the fact that Republican early voting appears to be way up.
Sorry Brad. You’re obviously the good bread not the moldy bread.
Neo:
While I haven’t read every single one of their election posts – nor yours! for that matter- I would guess the answer is ‘no’.
They’ve worried about Democratic turnout (and seem relieved it seems high) but I’ve never seen them mention Republican turnout. It seems not to occur to them. Basically if Democrats turnout, Obama wins would seem to be the opinion of the vast majority of their commenters.
Brad: well, that doesn’t seem very bright.
But I suppose that shouldn’t surprise me.
There IS one more way for Romney to win that isn’t much talked about.
Even if turnout is rather low for Republicans if Romney gets more of the “white vote” than a Republican normally does he might pull it off.
And this just might happen because Obama has been pretty open about his use of race during his administration. I suspect quite a few whites have picked up on that. It’s sad, but I’ll blame no white person if they consider that Obama doesn’t appear to much care for them when they make their decision in the voting box.
The dufus Friedman in which he attempts to strengthen the narrative that Romney flip flopped from a tea party right wing extremist to a middle the road nice kind of guy which, he claims, America basically is. Everybody come in. It’s all over. I guess we’re all pretty much the same.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/opinion/sunday/friedman-the-morning-after-the-morning-after.html?_r=0
Doesn’t it give you the pukes when pukes like Friedman say that crap. When we ourselves went through the whole process and had to acknowledge that Mitt refused to say the types of Newt things we wanted him to say, that he refused to define his position as tea party and indeed jeopardized his win by remaining moderate, and then, at least at the RNC, and after winning the nomination, turned rightward, at least socially, and we were gobsmacked, and now this crumb, this flacker, this Friedprawn remembers it exactly wrong.
Get out the sauce, it’s time to eat some Friedprawn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3TQmCTWFbg&feature=fvwp
Brad: I expect the TalkLeft crowd et al will be quick to start screaming “FRAUD! VOTER SUPPRESSION! DIEBOLD!” when returns start to favor Romney. Because Democrats can’t just lose an election any more. It has to be some kind of monstrous crime.
Neo:
It’s not as dumb as you might think.
It’s based on demographics such as :
A. Whites don’t vote in as racially solid blocks as others do
B. Heck, white single women and white single men could almost be on different political planets
C. They think they have the “hispanic vote” in the bag
D. Democratic strength tends to be focused in a very few high population states (and in large cities in the rest of the country) that have high electoral votes so they only need to grab a few of the other states (which large city political machines can help them do) for Obama to win. It makes me sad looking at their proposed electoral maps and noting how much of the country apparently “doesn’t count” to Democrats. If Obama could win the election while winning just 3 or 4 states out of 50 they’d be perfectly ok with that.
Tri:
It will be “voter suppression”.
They’ve basically ridiculed fraud repeatedly at that blog because the blogmeisters and 90 percent of the commentariat don’t support voter ID’s and things of that nature. Requiring proof of being able to vote is racist don’tchaknow(because it arguably affects poor, colored people the most)?
They make one exception for the 2000 election wherein the majority appear to believe in hanky panky in Florida but otherwise they don’t think there has been any cheating since even by Republicans. Well, ok, Republicans cheat not by messing with ballots but by depressing turnout for minorities and Democrats don’t cheat at all.
Such is the Holy Writ at Talkleft.
Anyone who says “Heck” is okay in my book.
What did one demon say to the other demon in hell? To heck with you.
The big city domination truth brings up a sore point with white suburban drwellers who fled the high crime rate of Berekely type environs. Prop 31 here in California is, according to Stanley Kurtz at National Review, exactly the type of “pulling income from the suburbs to the nigga’s in the hood,” which Obama favors.”
Everybody get an Obama phone cause Romney sucks, bad.” –Obama phone lady.
Ya think there might be a little white back lash vote?
And here’s the sad thing:
there REALLY IS cause to be concerned about US electorial fraud on both sides in part due to lax security with electronic voting machines, lack of paper records, that sort of thing. That’s on top of the traditional dead voters , multiple voters, and etc. that Democrats and Repubs have done in the past.
I think it’s likely at least a few elections (mostly at State and local levels) really have been messed with, usually by a political machine for one party or the other.
Being partisan about it won’t help solve these problems.
“Democratic strength tends to be focused in a very few high population states (and in large cities in the rest of the country) that have high electoral votes so they only need to grab a few of the other states (which large city political machines can help them do) for Obama to win. It makes me sad looking at their proposed electoral maps and noting how much of the country apparently “doesn’t count” to Democrats. If Obama could win the election while winning just 3 or 4 states out of 50 they’d be perfectly ok with that.”
This is one reason I’m so strong for states rights and often think that I would vote to secede Texas from the union if given a realistic chance.
Sorry if that sounds unpatriotic but the federal government no longer follows the Constitution that was in place when Texas joined the Union.
And why are those states Democratic: California, New York, Illinois–all need federal bailouts, all have a privileged union class, all suck, suck, suck, like a baby at Mother’s teat. How were they turned from industrial, financial and agricultural powerhouses into beggars?
Brad said:
“I am not a progressive, and I only hold a few “liberal” positions. ”
Brad, I’d be interested in which issues you hold a “liberal” position. I’m a libertarian and wouldn’t be surprised if you and I agreed on some things.
there REALLY IS cause to be concerned about US electorial fraud on both sides in part due to lax security with electronic voting machines, lack of paper records, that sort of thing. That’s on top of the traditional dead voters , multiple voters, and etc. that Democrats and Repubs have done in the past.
Evidence of Republicans doing this, please, or feather the moral equivalence. Electoral fraud has been a core value of the Democrat Party since Tammany Hall.
Prop 31 here in California …
… exemplifies exactly what is wrong here. The state voter information guide describes it in vague platitudes (always a bad sign here in CA). It provides for “local governments to ‘create plans for coordinating’ how they could provides services to the public. (Whatever that means.)
The best part: “If local governments find that a state law or regulation restricts their ability to carry out their plan, they could develop local procedures that are “functionally equivalent” (quotes in original) to the objectives of the existing state law or regulation.”
So … state law is … uh … optional, kind of a suggestion, really, to be followed or not as one sees fit.
And who decides what is “functionally equivalent,” or is that a stupid question?
Bottom line: Prop. 31 is CA’s answer to the Enabling Act.
Occam:
I’m not really even going to engage in argument about this with you as I’m sure you can pull a bunch of bullshit out of your ass and obfuscate the issue. If I give you one source you’d say he or she is biased. If I gave you a study about a single election , you’d find another one that dissed Democrats or complain that the study wasn’t definitive.
The point isn’t which freaking party is “most guilty” the point is that it is relatively easy to do, and wouldn’t necessarily be easy to prove.
I suggest looking askance at any State where you can’t get some sort of “receipt” for your vote and they use electronic machines and at any state where they unreasonably intefere with election observers if they are using manual methods.
I’m with those who say Romney will win the popular vote but lose the EV. Recounts like the one that elected Al Franken in MN will see to that. To which I say good; the problem with Obama was never that he was a knave but that the electorate was stupid enough to elect someone like him. Another four years of him should teach a few more of his besotted nincompoops not to vote on the basis of looks. An economic and military collapse is a hard way to learn a lesson but there does not seem to be any other way.
BTW is there a single definitive poll that gives Romney OH and one other state? I hear a lot of what could be called circumstantial evidence but nothing conclusive.
‘Your quest is known to us,’ said Galadriel, looking at Frodo. ‘But we will not here speak of it more openly. Yet not in vain will it prove, maybe, that you came to this land seeking aid, as Gandalf himself plainly purposed. For the Lord of the Galadhrim is accounted the wisest of the Elves of Middle- earth, and a giver of gifts beyond the power of kings. He has dwelt in the West since the days of dawn, and I have dwelt with him years uncounted; for ere the fall of Nargothrond or Gondolin I passed over the mountains, and together through ages of the world we have fought the long defeat.”
– [Galadriel, Chapter 19, The Mirror of Galadriel, LOTR]
Keep fighting. If the Birchers and the Perotistas doin’t see the light this time, they never will.
The point isn’t which freaking party is “most guilty” the point is that it is relatively easy to do,
1. Electoral fraud is only really worthwhile in large cities, where the population density is high enough so that a fraudulent vote rate of 0.1% (to pick a number at random) yields sufficient numbers of votes to swing a state’s Electoral College votes. It’s just not worth the trouble to get cute with the vote in Wyoming.
2. Democrats
infestdominate large cities, and always have.3. Therefore electoral fraud is largely – but, granted, not exclusively – a Democrat phenomenon, and always has been. See: New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, Chicago, Chicago (Chicago warrants several mentions), St. Louis, Kansas City, Seattle (hi there, Christine! more votes than registered voters? No problem!), Minneapolis (how you doin’, Al Franken?), …)
QED.
I live in the San Gabriel Valley, a suburb in LA county. In 2008, the Obama hype and lawn signs were enough to make me want to puke as I drove through my neighborhoods. We were inundated. Fast forward to 2012 and there is not even 1% of signs for Obama. Matter of fact, what I am seeing is pretty even. For every Obama sign, there is a Romney sign.
I’m not delusional enough to believe Obama won’t take CA, but I do hope his margin is diminished greatly. That alone would be a huge statement. I’m praying to every deity imaginable that come Nov 6th, we will rid ourselves of this cretin in the White House. I’ve never disliked any President more in my lifetime.
‘I’m with those who say Romney will win the popular vote but lose the EV.’
And it could be historic. The greatest ever win of the popular vote, which still loses the Electoral College.
I think Romney will win the popular vote and he might (or not) eke out a tiny victory in E with the help of the Supreme Court (or the rule of law. Or something). This is going to be fun. Fasten your seatbelts folks and break out the popcorn.
I just love sports…I mean politics…whatever.
‘St. Louis’
Hmm… I live there. And yet I’ve never seen a democrat even though I have at least three different bird feeders in my back yard. What is their natural habitat?
I do see signs that say Romney everywhere I look, though.
Steve D,
St. Louis, a great city. The Fox Theater, the Cupples house on the campus of St. Louis Univ., of course the Gateway Arch. Have had the pleasure of your city several times.
‘St. Louis’
Hmm… I live there. And yet I’ve never seen a democrat even though I have at least three different bird feeders in my back yard. What is their natural habitat?
North St. Louis.
I used to live in Creve Coeur.