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Apparently, the MSM coverup of Climategate has worked — 22 Comments

  1. A pedant writes…should it not be anthropogenic rather than anthropomorphic?

  2. peter horne: I keep making that error for some reason. Will fix (maybe I should just stick with “AGW” in the future 🙂 ).

  3. most importantly, the government policy did not change.
    All the numerous Green initiatives, programs, projects and subsequent “stimulus” money that go into “transportation and energy spending”, labeled as progressive, caring about and mediating long-term consequences of environmental disaster are not only in place, they have doubled and tripled.

    NY is still laboring under our despicable mayor’s plan of “0 Emission city”. Despite the city going broke, despite recession and all that – he’s not touching the sacred ‘Green” cow.

  4. Good points. I think the earth is warmer and I don’t think people had 0 to do with it… and I still think, overall, climate change is a scam.

  5. Sergey: could you post a link to the relevant polls?

    If you read the Krosnick piece, he posits the Stanford poll as a counter to recent polls that say differently about belief in AGW. So he does acknowledge that there’s a trend towards dropping belief, but he critiques the way the questions were asked in those polls.

    What interested me most, however, about the Stanford poll, was the data on how many (actually, how few) people had heard of Climategate and the IPC report errors. I haven’t seen any other stats on that.

  6. Krosnick did his pseudo poll (2009) before Climategate had made its real impact (2010). I think people are a little more aware of Climategate than what he would like to believe.

    Another barometer: Senate Joint Resolution 26. It is being voted on today and:

    “This resolution will stop the EPA’s astonishing effort to regulate the whole U.S. economy by shoehorning global warming regulations into the 1970 Clean Air Act.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/06/reining_in_the_epa.html

    (Great picture in Tatyana’s link: pg 10 of the 2009 emissions report (pdf): Beautiful picture of NY.)

  7. I don’t believe the nine percent. Unless the 1000 adults were mysteriously chosen at random in certain zipcodes.

    Heres another taste of what the GFK research group that did the Stanford poll felt they needed to say on an American image survey they also conducted…

    “The results suggest that the new U.S. administration has been well received abroad and the American electorate’s decision to vote in President Obama has given the United States the status of the world’s most admired country.”

    link
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/america-is-now-the-most-admired-country-globally—jumping-to-the-top-of-the-2009-anholt-gfk-roper-nation-brands-indexsm-63522002.html

  8. The complicity of the press and their durantyism is legendary..

    The People Who Gave the Soviet Union a Pass
    By Arnold Beichman
    hnn.us/articles/1851.html

    Part of the responsibility for the Great Lie era in the journalism from Moscow lies with the academy. One of the great intellectual failures of the century has been the failure by distinguished academics–economists, political scientists, historians, philosophers, sociologists many of them teachers at prestigeous universities–to apply the standards of truth to their research into the Soviet Union and Communism itself.

    As a result of these falsehoods camouflaged as “research,” a fictitious Soviet Union and an equally fictitious People’s Republic of China as utopias-in-being were created for Western policy makers. The relationship between the lies of the academy and the extermination of millions of people within Soviet borders, in Eastern Europe, in China and Southeast Asia may be casual or coincidental but there is no question that Communist totalitarianism benefited from at least fifty years of academic indulgence and willful credulity. As Lionel Trilling once wrote:

    This is the great vice of academicism, that it is concerned with ideas rather than with thinking and nowadays the errors of academicism do not stay in the academy; they make their way into the world and what begins as a failure of perception among intellectual specialists finds its fulfillment in policy and action.

    all this is is scientific socialism (communism) and the end justifies the means use of ‘science’ to provide reasons for people to give up their own goals, and adopt the ends the leaders want, whether the follower is conscious of such or not.

    Never before have so many academics been proven by events and by internal Soviet revelations to have been so abysmally wrong in virtually everything they wrote about the Soviet Union or Marxism-Leninism. Few people are aware of what the majority of these apologist Sovietologists, particularly in the United States, were writing and teaching about the Soviet Union and Marxism-Leninism when Stalin was at the apogee of his appalling power.

    all one has to do is read the policy papers of the club of rome and other such groups to read about how they cooked up such ideas way back just after the war… in those papers they talk in vague ways of what kinds of things they could push…

    The intellectual fiasco of the Sovietology “left,” who camouflaged their ideology with the robes of academicism, should not be forgotten. Present and future generations should see how the Great Hoax was perpetrated.

    and now in the west the words of Cholerton resonates for us and england as it did for russia

    “In Russia, everything is true except the facts.”

  9. curtis: the poll Krosnick is referring to in this article, the one I linked to, was done the first week of June, 2010.

  10. Thanks for the correction. I always appreciate being straight on the facts.

    I’ve been doing my own poll. One colleague didn’t know what “hockey stick” was.

  11. “When respondents were asked if they thought that the earth’s temperature probably had been heating up . . .”

    It amazes me that supposedly intelligent people keep pointing to public opinion as though it somehow validates (or, God forbid, is) scientific reality. To see how ridiculous this is, let’s try re-framing the argument:

    A newly discovered 16th century poll indicates that 90% of Europeans believed that the sun moves around the earth. One person was quoted as saying “It’s obvious. The sun rises in the East. Why would we say the sun ‘rises’ if it was not moving across the sky?”

    So obviously Copernicus and Galileo were wrong, and if people believe that the earth is warming due to human activity, then it must be so!

  12. Although there was a Climategate, the claims for global warning aren’t going away. The powers that be (Agenda 21) have invested considerable sums, effort and time. Since 1992 and the adoption of Agenda 21 by the U.N., information that refutes “sustainability” becomes less and less effective as the brainwashed become a larger segment of society. If you don’t know, it sounds so reasonable and unnconnected to the wild claims of those who shout “socialism” and “treason.”

  13. Look at questions 33a and 33b. 33b is worded very differently, but offers only answers exactly the same as 33a. This survey is a piece of propoganda trash.

  14. As far as I’m concerned, anyone who still spouts AGW junk proves to me that they are not well read. In fact, they are ignorant.

    When trying to present “wattsupwiththat”-style facts to my so-called intellectual friends, they always act as if AGW is proven or (hedging their bets) possible. When I point out that most of the data has been corrupted by the lure of millions of dollars in government grants, I get the “bug-eye,” and I know that it’s time to change the subject. So I do.

    Conclusion: ignore the so-called intellectuals and look at the actual data. Ditto “wind power,” “green energy,” etc. When one presses people with facts, they reveal their ignorance rather quickly. Yesterday I met a believer in windmills off the coast of Evanston, IL. I asked her how many homes she thought these windmills would heat. The “bug-eye” response, which means “I don’t know, but I’m not going to admit it, you Earth-hater.”

  15. The facts about the ridiculously overblown climategate affair are easily located:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/Climategate-CRU-emails-hacked.htm

    The fact the story got more than a passing mention in the media disproves what you are saying. It really wasn’t much of a story and did nothing to reduce the overwhelming evidence that climate change is real. All the denial and wishful thinking in the world isn’t going to make it go away. Though I still hope I am proven wrong on this one.

  16. Simon, actually nobody denies that climat change is real: climate always change, one way or other. Real problems are causes and the change, its limits and our ability to predict or influence these changes. There is nothing clear or obvious about them. There is a lot of climate research, but no climate science as such emerged yet. To put it bluntly, we know nothing and even do not know what we do not know.

  17. Global warming global socialism is the perfect leftist front group uber-deception mega-lie and gravy train con job for BIG MONEY, POWER and CONTROL. The con man head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia in Britain, Phil Jones, has made I think around 25 MILLION dollars in tax payer funded government grants since 1990. Not bad, but climate chump change compared to Al Gore’s around 100 MILLION dollars since 2001.

    Climate change IS man-made…up!

  18. It was the MSM’s intention to treat Climategate as a non-story. Only people who use the Internet for news and opinion are well informed about the issues. Unfortunately, it has worked. The progressives just continue using AGW as their excuse for taking control of our society as if it were gospel truth. Fortunately, the economic recovery has been blunted by Obama’s anti-buisiness policies. No recovery means angry voters at the polls in November. IMO most will vote for fiscally conservative candidates. If so, we will be on the way to stopping this power grab using AGW as the raison de etre.

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