We don’t need no steenking photo IDs for health care benefits
Guess what? Surprise, surprise: applicants won’t have to show a picture ID to register for health care benefits.
Of course, it’s the Democrats in the Senate who struck down this particular provision, not Obama, but it fits in with the hypocrisy of Obama’s statement about illegal immigrants in his speech to a joint session of Congress about health care reform. You know, the one that made Joe Wilson famous for at least fifteen minutes when he objected by calling out, “You lie!.”
Now comes the news that:
Senate Finance Committee Democrats rejected a proposed a requirement that immigrants prove their identity with photo identification when signing up for federal healthcare programs…The bill, authored by committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), would require applicants to verify their names, places of birth and Social Security numbers. In addition, legal immigrants would have to wait five years, as under current law, after obtaining citizenship or legal residency to access federal healthcare benefits such as Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program or receive tax credits or purchase insurance through the exchange created by the legislation.
But the [bill] would not require them to show a photo ID, such as a drivers license. Without that requirement, the bill “remains dearly lacking when it comes to identification,” Grassley said. “Frankly, I’m very perplexed as to why anyone would oppose this amendment,” he said.
Senator Grassley, be perplexed no more. Many similarly reasonable requests for photo identification have been shot down by Democrats (this particular one went down along straight party lines) because they have no real interest in putting teeth into enforcement. They want to make it possible for the system to be gamed, because this appeals to many of their constituents.
And please, don’t sit on a hot stove waiting for Obama to veto this bill if it happens to get passed without a provision for photo-ID checking.
You’re surprised by this?
You need to provide ID when you want to ask a question at a townhall meeting to “prove” you live in the district, but you can’t be asked to show ID when you vote, or get “free” medical care, or even apply for a job I suppose.
NEO, there were number that emerged last fall that indicated there were millions of illegals with home loans as well. This thing has saturated our society.
As the mortgage-lending frenzy neared its apex in 2006, the Fifth Third Bank, one of Indiana’s larger banks despite its very peculiar name, ran print ads encouraging (illegal) Latino immigrants to seek their first mortgages. Part of the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” approach to careful lending…no documentation required.
What is it with the Democrats and photo IDs? I have to show one to get on a Greyhound bus. Is this some kind of Pavlovian thing?
So everytime I go to the emergency room for a mild ailment I can simply say: “I’m Max Baucus.” and they have to treat me for free?
I’m liking this Obamacare better….
We are on the verge of a major breakthrough with the illegal immigration deterrent program E-Verify. Washington has extended E-Verify to the end of October, but that is not enough for the 10 million plus jobless American workers. The stamp of approval of E-Verify has been recognized by the hundreds of thousands, or perchance millions of citizens and legal employees whose innumerable numbers have been disenfranchised by illegal alien labor. An apparel firm was raided by ICE and 1800 workers who are illegal have been fired, unless they can be positively accepted as having the right legal status? Unbelievable! Now without further adieu, we must lambaste the politicians until they make E-Verify permanent? It should be placed on the peak list of interior enforcement tools, and everybody who gets a pay check should be verified as part of the legal workforce.
Incidentally regarding the 2010 Census? Small states will miss out big time on federal dollars, while mass illegal immigrant states will gain more seats in Congress and too much power and influence? Of course ICE could check the immigration status of those who are counted, even though it’s supposedly against US law? Or is counting non-legal residence against the US Constitution?
A huge number of suspected open border players, thought the courts would kill it as unconstitutional, or at least delay it? An amendment was presented by Sen. David Vitter that prevents any further delays in the implementation of the Social Security Administration’s No-Match-letter program. An amendment was also offered by Sen. Jeff Sessions that requires a permanent re-authorization of the application. The usual culprits tried to table the Sen. Sessions E-Verify amendment, but the motion failed and eventually passed. We have dubious decision makers in DC, who are not looking-out for the man/women in the street? This became very blatantly obvious in the stimulus bill, when no language omitted illegal workers from gaining at least 300.000 jobs in construction and other industries. The 247 G law is another successful police program, to identify illegal immigrants on the streets of our communities and highways. This law could be on the chopping block, as well as the ICE raids on pariah businesses. With modifications E-verify could detect illegal aliens applying for drivers licenses, car insurance, home mortgages, health care and much more? LET THE BLOODY EMPLOYERS WHO HAVE INSTIGATED THIS IMMIGRATION MESS–PAY FOR IT
Both California and Nevada’s lawmakers have a high percentage of illegal alien populace, so they are indebted not to enforce immigration laws. We as voters must transfer our frustration and anger to those who represent us at 202-224-3121. A continuous barrage of irate voters has upset the politician’s lucrative applecart in their offices, demanding change? You will only discover the true patriotic American politicians by going to and examining their immigration grades at NUMBERSUSA, JUDICIAL WATCH & for OVERPOPULATION statistics CAPSWEB. If we hesitate about these issues, all is lost, and the anti-sovereignty groups will take away our jobs, freedoms. If you really want to view the absolute appalling state our roads, bridges, dams and drinking water structure, watch “The Crumbling of America.” The History channel has been illuminating the complete and utter indifference, while we financially support the world, wars and illegal immigrants for the business community.
Nolan, it is plain and simple, vote fraud, they know that many of their machines cant win without dead people etc voting. I can see no other logical reason, you simply cannot function in today’s society without some sort of picture ID. Illegals get by in an underground economy and function off of cash or use a Mexican or false picture ID. I remember a proposal in one of the states where they would actually come to your house and make the ID if you couldn’t come in, it was voted down by the legislature.
The Democrats are the party of the world, so why shouldn’t the world be allowed to vote for them?
(/sarcasm)
Many similarly reasonable requests for photo identification have been shot down by Democrats (this particular one went down along straight party lines) because they have no real interest in putting teeth into enforcement. They want to make it possible for the system to be gamed, because this appeals to many of their constituents.
Yeah, like the poor, the old, and the sick. Like me. But not like you. And not like you ever have been, if I read you correctly. And people like me who don’t want illegals scared off from treatment for things like swine flu, the new nasty mosquito borne viruses from West Africa, or the new drug resistant tuberculosis strains where they have “cure” you by cutting out the infected chunks in your lungs. .
The reason we don’t want it is that you, I, or anybody could easily be infected by illegals. Disease doesn’t discriminate. It infects illegals, citizens, Republicans, Democrats, conservatives, and liberals with equal ease. That’s why disease control is a matter of public health. Or at least it should be. It’s why we have that taxpayer defrauding, socialist piece of bureaucracy the Federal Center For Disease Control.
Read up sometime on the 1918 flu epidemic. It happened back when America was the conservative Garden of Eden: low taxes, little regulation, no strong unions, free competition until one business in an industry got so big that they could crush competition at will simply by selling their goods at a loss until the little mice cracked, tainted meat, lead paint everywhere, routine local salmonela outbreaks across the country, tuberculars everywhere coughing on anything and anybody, and things like the flu epidemic and the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. The good old days.
Let me ask you something. Do you ever have any direct contact with illegals? I do. Because I’m poor and old and sick I ride busses everywhere I need to go. You can easily spot the illegals, particularly the women, and not just by profiling. The fear and wariness in the women’s eyes shine as brightly as a neon sign.
Those good folks grab the same bus straps and handles I do to keep myself from being knocked tush over teakettle by the driver’s jerky braking. They also handle the same baskarts you and I do at the grocery store, and the coins we get back in change.
Then consider this, in my town flu shots cost $25.00 a pop. Not much for you, maybe, but a lot for me, and maybe far too much for me if I had a wife and 2 or 3 children to get innoculated, too. You don’t find illegals making much better money than I do. Besides which, you’re going to have to get a second vaccine for the swine flu, once we get it here. And certainly not for free.
Have you gotten you flu shot? Unfortunately, unless you’re a caregiver, like me, you’re way down on the list for swine flu vaccine. The flu that’s spreading fastest right now is the swine flu, by the way.
Think about that. Think hard.
John Marshall. I don’t even know you, so it is presumptuous to demand that I pay for your flu-shots and health care.
Maybe I’d feel more charitable if you weren’t such a conservative-hating dick.
You can’t insult me and then demand I pay for your stuff. F off.
Well, Gray, not only don’t you know me, you can’t read my name straight when it’s plastered in front of your face. I’m not interested in your paying for my flu shot [you can’t seem to read what I actually say straight, either]. But I’m very interested in you getting one before you come near me in public this winter. I have the same interest in everybody else getting one, too–illegal alien or not.
Too many of the people I read here simply are bereft of common sense about matters like public health. For one thing, I think most of them are still young enough to believe themselves to be invulnerable and immortal. Are you one of these? For another, many are simply downright ignorant, and usually willfully ignorant, about how much the government that they constantly trash already does to keep them from dying from communicable disease or environmental poisoning.
This didn’t happen merely by chance or by Divine Will. It has been systematically built brick by brick for the last one hundred years, through government, by people with enough public spirit and enough sense to realize that you don’t spit in the soup because we’ve all got to eat.
As an American you are swathed in an amazing cocoon of safety compared to much of the rest of the world, courtesy of one or another of your governments, and you don’t appear to even know it. You’re not alone. Too much reading of comment pages like this one sometimes make me wish that more people would “go John Galt” to some place where there are no EMS services supported by tax dollars, no doctors or hospitals within 50 miles, and nothing to keep the galardia that is in every last open water source under control by clorinating it. After six months out there, they might have a little better appreciation of what common public effort and government actually do for all of us.
They might.
Joseph Marshell, Provide me a list of what government does right, and I’ll give you a list of their copious amounts of fraud and waste. You can’t compete with the quality of service provided by the market due to the free price mechanism that drives competitive efficiency. That being said, I find it pompous of you to consider anyone here “bereft of common sense in matters of public health” when 1) You don’t know anyone here in person 2) are a self-proclaimed poor/lowerclass individual (who’s apparently wealthy enough to have internet access. SEE WHAT CAPITALISM HAS DONE!) I prefer to trust the experts on these related issues.
“Public interest” is more often or not a scapegoat utilized by the political hack’s in Washington to take advantage of. You don’t need to be a tyrant to know that the populous is always easier to herd like sheep when you impose fictitious fears upon them. This is a sad fact of reality, but it was always the heavy dose of conservative skepticism/realism that sets us apart from the liberal/ideologues. As for the tired old, rehashed “soup bowl” analogies, spare me. It’s those type of meaningless bromides that gave cause for the terrible conditions behind the federal governments housing and urban renewal projects under LBJ, which are still impoverished at tax payer expense today, and our failing, top heavy, bureaucratic education system. People come in all different kinds of shapes and forms, possessing different convictions from one to the other. Just because you think you can hold your poverty as a claim of superiority over those that are more successful then you, doesn’t give you any special foresight into health related matters-However that logic plays out in your head.
Honestly, If there’s anything more annoying than an elitist who boasts about their intelligence over others, it’s a lazy populist who boasts about his stupidity.
By the way, Hospitals are not exclusively public services. Even Ted Kennedy preferred private hospitals. Yeah, there’s a reason for that to.