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  1. perhaps it’s a portent of things to come for the US.

    I don’t think there’s a Western nation that would grant Trump asylum, and I don’t think our government would negotiate one in any event… he threatens our and their elites, and people like Gonzalez don’t.

  2. Niketas:

    Perhaps Hungary or Italy. There’s also always the Czech Republic, and I’m assuming Melania may have dual citizenship there and in the US.

  3. If Trump is unsuccessful in regaining the White House, and thinks he can go back to private life and just make money I think he is seriously mistaken. If anything, the attacks on him will intensify. He and his family will be harassed, the Justice Department and the NYSAG will pursue him endlessly with lawfare, more E. Jean Carroll and Stormy Daniels types will come crawling out of the woodwork, you name it. Congress might even pass a special law to strip him of his SS detail, just because he’s Donald Trump.

  4. Melania Trump is from Slovenia and has dual Slovenian and U.S. citizenship (so does Barron Trump). I suspect her native country would give her and her husband asylum. So, I think, would the Czech Republic, Poland, and perhaps a couple of other countries in Eastern Europe and the Balkans (Slovakia? Romania? Bulgaria?). In the Baltics, Lithuania and Latvia might; Estonia almost certainly would not.

  5. Perhaps Hungary or Italy. There’s also always the Czech Republic
    Slovenia…, Poland, and perhaps a couple of other countries in Eastern Europe and the Balkans

    I’m not sure those countries would or could resist much arm-twisting from the US. If Trump did that, it would be because the US government let him do it, and I don’t think they will. To begin with they wouldn’t acknowledge that he’s being politically persecuted, they’d say it’s purely a criminal matter.

    I’m starting to wonder what kind of shenanigans I could get into that would get me exiled to Italy for life. Don’t throw me in that briar patch, Br’er Fox.

  6. As the saying goes: “Socialism — Vote your way in, shoot your way out.”

    If you talked to Maduro (or, before him, Chavez) or one of his trusted lieutenants and you got them to be honest, what would they say they’re trying to accomplish? Is it simply power and boodle for them, or is there some perverted idealism behind it all?

  7. Paul Nachman

    If you talked to Maduro (or, before him, Chavez) or one of his trusted lieutenants and you got them to be honest, what would they say they’re trying to accomplish? Is it simply power and boodle for them, or is there some perverted idealism behind it all?

    There was some perverted idealism behind it. At one time Chavez was quoted as saying that if Fidel were made President of the World, he would solve things within five years. Granted, that is nonsense (in 6 decades, milk production has more than quadrupled in Latin America, but has increased only 10-20% in Cuba.), but Chavez believed it.

    Chavez had innumerable public appearances, where some humble person after humble person would ask Chavez to solve a problem. Chavez wouldn’t have done this if he didn’t believe he was actually helping people.

    I suspect that Maduro is more realistic about it than Chavez was. He got training in Cuba before Chavez took power, which leads me to believe Maduro has adopted the Cuban POV- keep in power no matter what.(At the same time, I have difficulty believing that Chavez would have released the 2024 election results.)

    Chavismo views itself as a revolutionary movement. As such, stepping down because of an election loss is not ever considered.

  8. Regarding the TSJ’s (Venezuelan Supreme Court) objectivity, consider the following. TSJ judges chanting pro Chavez slogan

    Mar 28, 2007
    In this video excerpt, pre You Tube era, you can hear how the Venezuelan High Court of justice and its guest for the judicial year opening of 2006, chanted the electoral coda “Uh-Ah, ¡Chavez no se va!” (uh Ah Chavez isn’t going away) This is of course a most undignified way to demonstrate that there is no such thing as a separation of powers in Venezuela. PS: if anyone knows of a more complete video on the web, or even with color, please let us know. Venezuelan state VTV is not releasing it as far as I know.

    Caracas Chronicles 2015: What’s the 45,475th stripe to a tiger?

    As we digest the unwelcome return of the chavista strategy to partially overturn the December 6th election results by leveraging its control of the Supreme Tribunal, let’s take a moment to recall the government’s record in that august body.

    Since 2004, chavismo’s batting 1.000 at the TSJ. The government has lost not a single case out of 45,474.

    It bears repeating, because clarity on this point will be crucial to how things play out: Venezuela’s Supreme Tribunal is a straight-up farce.

    It’s not that its “flawed”. It’s not that its impartiality is “suspected by critics.”

    It’s that the government literally never loses there because its decisions are decided at the Vicepresident’s office, again – and I hate to overuse the word – literally.

    You know that. I know that. Anybody who’s looked into this semi-seriously knows that. There are, after all, 45,474 reasons we can be sure.

  9. Keep in mind the governing party in soain is in coalition with the communist sumar party (out of the frying pan)

  10. JackWayne:

    “Theater” implies some sort of ruse or deception or pretense. There is no pretense here that he wasn’t allowed to flee. It says right in the article I linked that he was allowed to flee. This is the very beginning of the article I linked in my post:

    Former Venezuelan presidential candidate Edmundo Gonzalez arrived in Spain on Sunday after fleeing into exile in as part of a negotiated deal with Nicolas Maduro’s government …

    A negotiated deal. The agreement was basically this: go away, or you’ll end up in prison. Gonzalez said okay, I’ll go.

  11. “perhaps it’s a portent of things to come for the US.”

    If Trump ‘loses’ again and Harris’ leftist masters try to pull off in America what Maduro has done in Venezuela, it will end very badly indeed for them.

    Americans have the means to shoot our way out of a ‘woke’ dictatorship. The rank and file in the US military is not nearly as woke as the left hopes. The left is concentrated in urban and suburban areas and other than air, every necessity to sustain life has to be imported. Those areas’ logistical supply lines can be easily disrupted. The American military has trained several generations of military veterans in countering guerrilla warfare and to combat it, troops must have a deep familiarity with its tactics.

  12. When the say “Our democracy” the emphasis is on “OUR.”

    They truly believe they rightfully own it.

  13. The Telegram CEO was imprisoned in France. The Rumble CEO left Europe in a hurry lest he follow. I imagine Elon Musk will stay out of Europe and Brazil.

    I’m not happy about the prospect of armed conflict here, but if the Dems take control of the presidency and the Congress, they could make things even uglier. There are increasingly fewer safe harbors in the world for those with the means to flee.

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