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  1. May the memory of Eli Sharabi’s family members be a blessing…somehow.

    May the perpetrators of the inhuman crimes of October 7 tremble in fear as inevitable justice approaches.

  2. In addition to having put thought into making the physical aspects of the Lager as horrible as possible, the Germans went after the mind, it seems.

  3. I am amazed at how disarmed the Israelis were on Oct 7. Even in kibbutz, their weapons were kept locked up in separate rooms. The same disarming happened of course to European Jews. As someone commented, the German soldiers storming the attic hiding the Franks should’ve had to come up steps covered with their blood.

    I think the Israelis have loosened up their laws somewhat but they’re still way more difficult to buy a personal weapon than in the United States. Thank God for the wisdom of our founders. Americans are using this freedom to buy firearms at a record pace.

  4. A famous example from the Holocaust is Robert Clary, one of the stars of Hogan’s heroes. He was sent to the camps at age 16, and found out when he was liberated in 1945 that his parents and ten siblings had been murdered. (Apparently there were three other siblings that survived somehow.) He managed to lead a long, productive, and seemingly happy life. But losing one’s wife and children is far more traumatic, I would think.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/robert-clary-holocaust-survivor-who-starred-tvs-hogans-heroes-dies-96-2022-11-17/

  5. Anyone who has read a book on Jews in the extermination camps in WW2 has a gut realization that the Democrat tactic of calling Trump a Nazi is a malicious lie.

    But Democrat politicos aren’t the only ones to misuse the term. Consider the term “condo Nazi.” My former next-door neighbor was often called a “condo Nazi,” for his excessive complaints. For example, he complained about children bouncing a ball during the afternoon in their patios. I was one who called him a “condo Nazi.” A dearly departed friend, a Sephardic Jew from Morocco, did not like him being called a “condo Nazi.” She pointed out that the so-called “condo Nazi” was always polite and courteous to her. My error.

    BTW, he eventually reduced his complaints, perhaps because I once called the police on him when he engaged in a shouting match. (I once tried to arbitrate one of his shouting matches. No more.)

  6. Mrs Whatsir:

    Yes, extraordinary. If you haven’t read either of those works, I highly highly recommend them. The mind of a scientist, the soul of a poet.

  7. Today Dershowitz addressed the question:

    –Alan Dershowitz, “What will Trump do if hostages aren’t returned by Saturday?”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFIK-pjdarc

    I’m an impatient fellow, as I’ve mentioned, so I often ask ChatGPT to summarize the text feed from a YouTube.
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    The text discusses the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, particularly focusing on the hostage situation and potential actions by Israel and the U.S. It references former President Trump’s emotional response to the release of some hostages, describing them as looking like Holocaust survivors. Trump has stated that if all hostages are not released by Saturday, “all hell will break loose,” but he did not specify direct U.S. involvement. Instead, he implied that the U.S. would give Israel the green light to take military action.

    Israel is preparing for a possible resumption of hostilities, with reserves on standby. The Houthis have also threatened to attack Israel if the ceasefire ends. The text argues that Israel should take preemptive action against the Houthis and threaten Iran’s nuclear facilities if attacks continue from Iran or its proxies (Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis).

    The author advocates for strong Israeli retaliatory measures, including permanently annexing land for each hostage killed. They criticize international organizations such as the UN, Amnesty International, and Doctors Without Borders, claiming they apply a double standard to democracies while ignoring the actions of terrorist groups. The text also criticizes media outlets like CNN and The New York Times for allegedly enabling Hamas by portraying Israel negatively.

    The text suggests that Hamas is unlikely to release all hostages by Saturday, which could lead to renewed Israeli military action. It predicts that if the war resumes, Israel will face international condemnation despite Hamas’s tactics, which the author claims include deliberately placing civilians, including children, in harm’s way to generate negative media coverage against Israel.
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    I did listen to this part of the video and Chat’s summary is accurate, if bloodless.

    My prediction yesterday was that Hamas would dribble out a few hostages to play for time. Dershowitz says that too.

  8. Another side note on Robert Clary. When he came to the US, he had nothing. Al Jolson took him under his wing. Robert married Jolson’s daughter.

  9. I don’t know if anyone will read this, because it is late.
    But, if Hamas thinks calling Trump’s bluff is a good thing, I believe that they will mistaken, rudely.

  10. It will be up to Israel to carry out Trump’s threat. Trump’s giving them the green light allows them to go all out, but my guess is they will still be somewhat restrained, though more aggressive than when Biden was handicapping them. And no “humanitarian aid,” I would hope.

  11. Hamas may now be too smart or too leary, but I could see putting some form of listening devices in bottles of water or food containers, etc., so that if/when Hamas takes them there will be a form of signal tracking – presuming it is not discovered first. Would not have to be inserted or hidden in every item of aid.

  12. The power of the written word is highly underrated in this electronic age, where pictures and video are used excessively to tell “the story”.
    When I was young (in the 1950’s) there were a number TV series (Crusade in Europe, Victory at Sea, etc) that aired on Saturday mornings (at least in Detroit), about the War in both Europe and the Pacific. My brothers and I were about 8, 9 and 10 years old at the time. My parents, especially my father, who had been a gunner on B-24s flying bombing runs from Italy, were OK with us watching these, and felt that everyone should watch them and absorb the content. Some of the episodes covered the liberation of the concentration camps in graphic detail. I was, of course, shocked by these scenes and have never forgotten them, but it was a shock without any true understanding of the background or depth of the horror that had truly transpired.
    Fast forward about 10 years to my time in college. I was then and still am, a voracious reader, and one of the books I read at that time was “Night” by Eli Wiesel. This chronicle of evil was true horror to me. This book, of the thousands I’ve read, is one that has had a profound effect on me and has shaped my view of people and of the world. It’s impact was orders of magnitude greater than the photos and film I had seen years earlier, as it gives an account of the suffering and feelings of those being victimized: the fear, pain, powerlessness, frustration, despair and self loathing. They say that “a picture is worth a thousand words”…superficially, yes, but not for a true attempt at understanding. I have ordered “Survival in Auschwitz” and “The Reawakening”.

  13. In the 1990s and early 2000s much of my writing endeavors were centered on writing about the Holocaust. The result was a published book on the subject plus associated writings, and many many hours of interviews with Holocaust survivors.

    If I’m ever within reaching distance of a Holocaust denier — or, for that mater, any virulent outspoken anti-semite, that person is going to get punched in the face.

    So say I.

  14. FWIW, “Iron”, in Primo Levi’s “The Periodic Table”, made a huge impression on me.

    (The whole book, though uneven, is impressive and an extraordinary conceit.)

  15. “Victory at Sea” was said to have run more series on more local stations than any other. Its sound track was so popular you could get the LP album.
    And lots and lots of kids of the early boomer generation watched it.
    Still available on youtube.
    We knew a good deal about WW II, not merely from out fathers, which has been absent by about 95% from following generations.

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