You can always count on our troll visitors to apprise us of the latest party line talking points. For example:
If Carter Page was not part of the Trump Campaign [according to the Trump spokespeople, after news came out that Page was being investigated], and if the FISA application was applied for after the Trump Campaign publicly said so, how exactly does this warrant prove that the FBI was trying to spy on the Trump Campaign via Carter Page?
Let me count the ways.
From Wiki:
Page served as a foreign-policy advisor to Donald Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign. In September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials investigated alleged contacts between Page and Russian officials subject to U.S. sanctions, including Igor Sechin. After news reports began to appear describing Page’s links to Russia and Putin’s government, Page stepped down from his role in the Trump campaign.
When someone is running for office they have a ton of advisors. Most of what they do is give advice on certain policy areas with which they are familiar and are expert. Much of that advice is given through papers. Some of them probably never even meet the candidate. Perhaps that was true of Page; we really don’t know. But no one has ever alleged that Page was a higher-up who had significant direct contact with Trump.
That denial from Miller was issued after it was already in the news that “Page was being investigated for allegedly meeting with Kremlin officials.”
In fact, all we know about Page’s involvement with the Trump campaign is that Page was initially named as a foreign-policy advisor to the Trump effort back in March of 2016, along with quite a few others. He quit after he was already being investigated, although it happened to have been prior to the FISA application from the FBI.
Back to Wiki:
Shortly after Page resigned from the Trump campaign, the Federal Bureau of Investigation obtained a warrant from the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court [FISA] to surveil Page’s communications. To issue the warrant, a federal judge concluded there was probable cause to believe that Page was a foreign agent knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence for the Russian government…The 90-day warrant was repeatedly renewed.
In January 2017, Page’s name appeared repeatedly in a leaked contract intelligence dossier containing unsubstantiated allegations of close interactions between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.
That last bit, the “leaked contract intelligence dossier,” would have been the now-famous Steele dossier that was used to get the FISA warrant and was actually financed by Clinton and the DNC.
So sometime late in the summer or September of 2016, while Page was still at least nominally a Trump foreign policy advisor, he started to be investigated regarding his Russia ties and specifically ties between the Trump campaign and Russia by way of its supposed agent Carter Page. That news was publicly reported in September of 2016 [emphasis mine]:
U.S. intelligence officials are looking into a Donald Trump foreign policy adviser over possible ties to Russia, Yahoo News reported Friday.
Carter Page, who was included on a list of foreign policy advisers that the GOP presidential nominee released in March, is a former banker with Merrill Lynch based in Moscow and has extensive business ties in Russia.
Intelligence officials are reportedly probing whether Page has opened up private lines of communications with top Russian officials, including talks about potentially lifting economic sanctions.
According to multiple sources briefed on the issue, Page’s Russian dealings have been the topic of congressional briefings.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reportedly wrote a letter to FBI Director James Comey after one of the briefings this summer about reports of Page meeting with “high ranking sanctioned individuals” in Moscow, asking for an investigation and calling the meetings evidence of “significant and disturbing ties” between the campaign and the Kremlin.
Top Democrats in the House have similarly asked the FBI to investigate whether any Trump aides played a hand in the widespread hack of Democratic groups, largely attributed to Russia.
So this was done at the behest of Harry Reid, in addition to the involvement of the DNC and Clinton in the dossier itself.
Once the FISA application was granted, the FBI now had access not only to Page’s past dealings but his future dealings. Perhaps they thought that he was still working for Trump, just not officially. Almost certainly they hoped he would lead them to someone who was working for Trump. And they kept hoping and hoping long enough to renew that application three more times.
But they didn’t really give a rat’s patootie about Page. It was Trump they were after.
As this author writes:
Page was the camel’s nose under the tent. A suspicious character who worked in Russia. That was all the FBI needed. And the FBI camel wasted no time in crawling entirely into the tent.
As the Nunes memo clearly outlined, the FBI and DOJ had two choices at this point in their pursuit of Donald Trump via Carter Page. A FISA Title VII warrant, for surveillance of US persons abroad, specifically those in contact with potential terror organizations, which Page was not.
Or a FISA Title I warrant, with a much higher threshold…Title I is reserved for an, “agent of a foreign power” who is “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence activities.”…
The Obama administration made the claim that Carter Page was an actual Russian spy, basing the claim on the Steele dossier, which FBI director Comey at the time described to Congress as “salacious and unverified.” This FISA application was made on October 21, 2016, months after Page left the Trump campaign. Furthermore, the application was renewed three more times, twice while Trump was President.
Whether the FISA judge was duped or in on the charade is as of yet unknown, but the Obama justice and intelligence forces were now in the Trump tent.
Anyone and everyone who Page had contact with, past, present, and future, was fair game to spy on. If Page was an advisor to the Trump campaign, even if for only a few months, he undoubtedly had contact with every principal in the campaign, including candidate Trump and his family. Obama and Clinton were essentially embedded within the Trump campaign.
These “incidental contacts” of Carter Page could then be unmasked by Susan Rice and others in the Obama administration. This information then was placed in Obama’s Presidential Daily Brief.
Oh, and by the way, another leftist talking point I’ve seen about Page—that the FBI had investigated him for spying back in 2013, long before he worked for Trump, so he was really the target in 2016—has been refuted:
…[Page’s] name popped up in a case against three Russians who in 2013 were posing as businessmen and trying to recruit Americans to become Russian agents. The Russians apparently wanted to enlist Page, who in the end was not accused of any wrongdoing and has denied any contacts with the Russians beyond ordinary business communications. For their part, the Russians came to view Page as something less than a prize; one of them was captured on a wiretap calling him an “idiot.”
So Page was no Russian agent, nor did he ever appear to be in danger of becoming a Russian agent.
Here’s more from Scott Johnson:
Back in 2013 the FBI was listening to its standard, ongoing, FISA coverage of all things Russian. They were NOT investigating or wiretapping Page. The FBI was investigating and wiretapping Russians. It had no idea who Page was. By listening to Russians, however, the FBI discovered that Page was in touch with Russians.
What they would have done next is standard operation procedure in the counterintelligence world: they did some background on Page, contacted him, and got him to cooperate against those Russians. Anyone who read the court filing in the resulting case”“including the Russians”“would have had no trouble figuring out that Page had been cooperating with the FBI.
Page was a businessman who had done business with Russia, and his name came up earlier and was completely cleared. That does not translate to the needed evidence for the FISA application that was required to allege that there was credible information that he was a Russian spy before he could be fully investigated. There was no such credible evidence, and the FBI had reason to know it, although it’s much more likely that the FISA court didn’t.