In the “long slow march of leftism” thread there was a discussion about the distinction between leftists and liberals. Commenter “R.C.” and I initially disagreed on whether the friends I often talk about and call “liberals” are really liberals at all rather than leftists masquerading as liberals. I state my case here:
I know some leftists, and I know a great many liberals—and what’s more, I know the difference.
Most of the liberals I know are not all that politically oriented. They read and watch some of the news, but they don’t explore things in depth, and they know what the Times, NPR, and their friends tell them.
I’m not even knocking them for that. I never used to be especially interested in politics, and that description in the last paragraph could have described me through the end of the 20th century. I was busy with other things, and my politics had been formed years earlier and I thought they were pretty set. I wasn’t poorly informed but I wasn’t well informed either, and a great deal of what I thought I knew wasn’t true.
I was never never a leftist or even close to it.
That is the description of most of my friends.
And here is R.C.’s response:
In this day-and-age, it takes a bit of effort for me to overcome the suspicion that, for every open leftist ready to drive dissenters off campuses or out of tech companies, there are a half-dozen “liberals” who’re too well-salaried and middle-aged to bother mobbing and milkshaking the opposition, but who’re perfectly comfortable cheering on the ones who do.
I’m happy to hear that the folks you describe as liberal really are. I guess that means that if they could only learn about how their side of the aisle is really behaving, and how many of the news stories about right-wing misbehavior are blatant hoaxes, they’d start speaking up in opposition to it. I gather that, in your view, the problem is epistemological: They just don’t know.
How, then, can one “raise their awareness?”…
What do you think it would take for a standard liberal to conclude that their world-picture is incomplete in important ways, and start looking seriously at what they could learn from the other side of the aisle?
I know that 9/11 got the change rolling for you, Neo. (But, reading your old “A mind is a difficult thing to change” series, it seems to me you’d had a tickle or two of cognitive dissonance, as far back as the late 80’s, which 9/11 triggered into fuller activity.)
I hope that the liberals you know are similarly aware that there are gaps in their worldview, and merely underestimate their importance. Perhaps some future events, or even current ones, might stimulate a cascade of mind-changing?
(I just hope it won’t always take an act of war and thousands of tragic deaths.)
Here’s my response to those thoughtful observations and questions.
Some liberals are not the least bit interested in getting more information, especially from sources on the right. In fact, this is a large group, I believe. One big reason for this is that, by a certain age, people’s views generally are rather set and become so entrenched that they see no particular need to revisit them, and they have other more pleasant things to do with their time.
Also, one of the ways the left trades on and relies on that is the practice of continually discrediting sources on the right, even relatively mainstream ones like Fox News (excuse me: Faux News), as being a bunch of lying, racist, hatemongerers. So why waste one’s time listening to such pig swill?
So there is little interest in hearing or reading anything that isn’t the usual MSM or even further left fodder. And a corollary of that is that a source such as CNN, for example, which the right finds to be unreliable at best and purposely deceiving at worst, the usual liberal finds relatively trustworthy. These are very hard beliefs to break, particularly if they are so strong the person will not even give another news source a try.
People on the right have a different experience. Because so much of the MSM is leftist, a person on the right may find it nearly impossible to block exposure to what the left is saying. The right is far more familiar with leftist thought than liberals are with actual bona fide opinions on the right. For liberals it is far easier to have zero exposure to the viewpoints of the right unless it is something filtered through the prism of the left by distorted MSM reporting on it. This all favors the leftist or liberal message being solidly incessant for liberals, and limits their exposure greatly to the actual views of the right.
How many liberals have actually read items in even the more moderate press on the right, such as for example National Review? I would wager the percentage is extremely small. But who on the right hasn’t read the NY Times, for example?
That has to do with the consuming of information, which helps to form opinions. How can an opinion change without new information, or a new way to see old information? Political conversation between those who are on opposite sides doesn’t usually convince anyone of anything, in part because it generally gets too heated and emotional too quickly. Still another reason conversation doesn’t tend to work is because a political belief system is an edifice built brick by brick over time, made of thousands and thousands of perceptions, stories, lived experiences, attitudes, and facts we think we know. It is a difficult and sometimes lengthy process to dismantle that edifice.
Sometimes it happens. But that’s rather rare. And I believe that first in order for that to happen, a person also has to have a mind that is open to change. I’m not sure what goes into the making of such a mind or such a person, but I suppose I must have had that characteristic to begin with or I never would have undergone my political change. One thing I know is that I had always had the habit of countering my own arguments, of challenging them by reading opposing material if I could find it—a sort of natural skepticism, even about myself.
Maybe that can’t be taught. But if it’s an already-existing characteristic of a person, then new information has a chance of getting through and changing things—if that new information is viewed by the person as reliable and relevant. A new building gets constructed, brick by brick. In much of my “A mind is a difficult thing to change” series, I deal with how that happened to me.
[NOTE: There’s more to add—including the idea of political identity and membership in a political group, and the question of emotions vs. thought as being predominant in the person making political decisions. Maybe good for another post some time; this one’s long enough for now. But feel free to discuss it all in the comments.]