Most lawyers would have told Trump not to talk about the classified papers case outside of the trial. But last night in an interview with Bret Baier he certainly did talk about it. He must have thought this would help him with the public, and perhaps some of it did. For example, from William Jacobson:
…[O]n the supposed Iran document, we now know Trump’s defense: There was no such document, he was just posturing regarding reporting about Iran…
“That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. And it may have been held up or made up, but that was not a document. I didn’t have a document per se. There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories. Magazine stories and articles.”…
Digesting the extraordinary interview with Trump, the most significant legal element is the stating of his defense to the audiotape. Trump will argue that there was never a document with the Iranian attack plan and that he was referring to material referencing the plan…
The feds can play the tape at trial. But the only way Trump gets into evidence his side of the story as told in the interview is to testify, which it’s extremely unlikely he will do. He can’t show the Bret Baier interview, but the feds can if they think it helps them.
Whether this interview helps or hurts Trump legally remains to be seen, when we find out what else the feds have about the incident to prove what the document was.
Why did Trump talk to Baier? Some will say it was sheer recklessness, or arrogance, or stupidity, or some combination of the three. Perhaps. However, I also think that Trump strongly suspects he will not win in court, but is hoping he will win in the court of public opinion. In that sense, he figures the interview could and will help him, at least in the primary.
There also was this:
Trump’s assertion that he was “very busy” — too busy to return the documents that had been subpoenaed — tends to support key allegations of the indictment.
From Jonathan Turley:
…They may also have a specific document in mind, but they have not indicated that they have proof of its removal. That could be part of the case to come. However, we now know Trump's account of the audiotape.
— Jonathan Turley (@JonathanTurley) June 19, 2023
Trump probably feels he can’t wait till the trial for his defense to come out. He may think the trial is basically rigged against him and he may indeed be correct. So although he’s probably going against the advice of lawyers in talking this way, he may think it will be his only opportunity and/or his best opportunity to exonerate himself and explain himself.
I agree with this assessment from Lee Smith:
Debating the indictment’s details—the DOJ’s legal theory, which documents do and do not belong to Trump under the Presidential Records Act, etc.—is a ritualized expression of faith that the law is still impartial and the justice system is in the hands of serious men and women, devoted law enforcement officials who even when it looked most hopeless over the last seven years never once veered from their mission and now finally got their man. But it’s just playacting, for the stark fact is this: The never-ending campaign to get Trump is evidence the country has gone mad.
“Here’s what I was hoping,” journalist Joe Klein wrote on his Substack. “That Trump would be charged with espionage. Full stop.” Of course he did, as did the majority of the media hastening America into open conflict. The Espionage Act was written for times like these. Enacted in 1917 to criminalize antiwar activism, the statute is a political weapon designed to bypass the Constitution and prosecute the ruling party’s domestic opponents. The fact that Trump has been charged with crimes under the Espionage Act is evidence that the world’s oldest democracy has fallen into the hands of a corrupt and pathological ruling faction that has turned federal law enforcement into a people’s commissariat serving a cohort of performative elites who still harbor the fantasy that a former American president is a Russian spy.
Maybe some really do harbor that fantasy, but I think most know it’s not true but they don’t care. Their drive is to power, and this is the path they see to it.


