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Open thread 8/8/23 — 37 Comments

  1. Neo, thank you so much. We have seen the “Scottish Play” twice in the Globe Theater. The first one was done in modern dress but the second one was done in Period costumes. We sat in the upper area. A wonderful experience.
    I enjoyed this video because it really brought a lot of new knowledge to Shakespeare. I wish that my English teacher had this knowledge. It really does add to the plays. Of course, Shakespeare being an Old Dead White Guy they don’t teach him any more. What a loss.

  2. Sorry I can’t find a link, but NPR had an interview with a NewsGuard spokesman this morning, who wanted to televise Trump’s Federal trial. Objecting, the NPR hostess said “But he’s already had a bipartisan hearing in the House”.

    NewsGuard guy said “No, it was not bipartisan, there was no one there defending Trump”!

    News lady didn’t bat an eye, just went to the next objection.

  3. Starting to read Chinese science fiction author Cixin Liu’s blockbuster alien invasion trilogy “The Three Body Problem, which starts out during China’s Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution, as the fanatic and bloodthirsty Red Guards roam the country destroying monuments of China’s history and people they single out as being insufficiently revolutionary and enemies of the Revolution.

    It strikes me that various people and groups on the Left are—as best they can, and as of now only in a small way—trying to recreate this same revolutionary struggle/situation.

  4. susan rosenberg, the orchestrator of the actual terror campaign of 2020, was a maoist revolutionary, guiliani sentenced her to 57 years, clinton sprung her after 17 years

    gang of four, anita dunn, is another maoist sympathizer,

    if you destroy the past, you can create another world,

  5. P.S.—Today’s “destruction “ not a physical one, but one of reputation, livelihood, or voice; you are “cancelled.”

  6. This was an extremely interesting video, and I wish I’d seen something like it fifty years ago. Is this all common knowledge among theater enthusiasts?

    I’m embarrassed to say that I never much liked theater, because I found it … embarrassing. If I’d have had this historical information at hand, would my attitude have changed? Sadly, no. So, at this point, why do I care? Well, I guess because it’s inherently interesting.

    Thanks for the link.

  7. RE: NASA and UFOs

    UFO researcher Jeremy Corbell has recently pointed out the glaring contradiction of how NASA recently televised a panel of more than a dozen of their high-powered scientists, discussing how they were bravely going to ignore the stigma associated with UFOs, and were going to be focusing on using all of their scientific resources and expertise on devising ways to “scientifically “ investigate the UFO phenomena, and on how what they were going to be doing was going to be done with the greatest transparency, all of this talk contrasted with reports that a NASA witness who had been scheduled to testify at the recent UFO hearing pulled out, and didn’t show up.

  8. P.S. I guess the folks at NASA weren’t so brave after all, and that NASA is still afraid of the “stigma.”

  9. I knew some of the things in the video, but learned a few things. Thanks for posting it.

  10. Lee:

    That’s the second basically irrelevant study you’ve posted today, on essentially the same subject. One in this open thread, one in yesterday’s open thread. I already replied to yesterday’s and said why it’s a study that says very little (see this). And now I’ll briefly reply to this one. But I’m tired of playing this game of whack-a-mole with you, which has gone on for years here.

    In the study you just posted, it is once again a tiny tiny population of people who have had the vaccine: people who had clinically significant myocarditis – the disease and not just elevated enzymes – and also had had heart damage confirmed by MRI. That’s the population (40 people) in which “58% had residual abnormalities suggesting a scar could be forming in the heart muscle.” In other words, a little over 20 of these peole – in a large population of people who’d had the vaccine – had some unspecified remaining “abnormalities” that “suggest” scar tissue COULD be forming. That doesn’t mean a whole lot. And by the way – as I’ve said many times – the rates of clinical myocarditis in people who have had COVID itself are much higher than the rates of vaccine-induced myocarditis. Myocarditis is a serious disease that can cause permanent problems in whoever gets it, from whatever cause. That’s not news, either.

  11. JJ–It is abundantly clear to me that something is going on with UFOs, and has been going on for at least many decades now–and that because of their observed performance characteristics–the “six observables” (noted by the Air Force as far aback as 1947)–the top 5% or so of UFOs which truly cannot be “identified” are much less likely to be human adversarial craft, but much more likely to be of non-human origin.

    If these were super advanced Russian or Chinese craft, we would long since have become an invaded, defeated, and subdued province of Russia or China.

    Unfortunately, the government’s 80 year-long, very successful, long-standing, and quite thorough disinformation campaign–various “official” and dismissive investigations, encouragement of various wackos and their idiotic ideas, occasional releases of supposedly legit official documents, intimidation and suppression of reporting and potential whistleblowers, encouragement of UFO/Alien themes in popular entertainment, etc.–has so successfully prevented any actual “Disclosure,” and so successfully muddied the waters that, it is very hard–at this point–to discern what is true and what is not.

    There have been, I’d guess, many thousands of reports of contact with Aliens coming in from all over the world these last few decades; many of them false and, I suspect, some of them the true testimony about actual contact with Aliens.

    As of now, and given what I have read and heard from people who I deem to be credible, it seems to me as if we are dealing with not just one species of Aliens, but with several; some benign, some not so benign, each, I’d guess, with their own approach to humans and agenda.

  12. I honestly have a hard time understanding why the left loves the Three Body Problem so much. The book starts with one of the clearest examples of left tyranny.

    What is it about the left that keeps them from seeing the shadows?

  13. Neo,
    Your continued contention that receiving an injection of an experimental mRNA injection which is NOT a vaccine that can cause myocarditis in even one in a zillion people is a non issue is what is absolutely without merit.

    NOBODY had any reason to risk inducing myocarditis from an experimental mRNA injection that neither prevents infection nor transmission.

    The shot is NOT a vaccine.

    It is irrelevant how many people may get myocarditis with Covid–the shot does NOT PREVENT COVID INFECTIONS.

    What are you arguing????

  14. Lee:

    As usual – and perhaps I should say as always – you misstate my position. I have never said that the slightly-higher incidence of myocarditis in young men post-vaccine is a non-issue. I have written about the issue in the past.

    What I have said is that the links you consistently post about the COVID vaccine are either (a) not saying what you report that they’re saying; or (b) stating conclusions that are not especially relevant to much of anything. The two studies you linked to today – one in this thread and one in yesterday’s open thread – are of the latter category.

    And of course the shots don’t prevent COVID infections. I’m obviously not arguing that, either. But I have seen fairly convincing evidence that the shots do, statistically speaking, make the infections less likely to be serious and require hospitalization. People – not just you, but others – have often linked to studies that purport to say otherwise. I have looked at probably at least 50 of such studies, and they present misleading analysis of the statistics in which the statistics do not say what they are purporting to say. I’ve written about those at length, too, in many comments and also posts.

    So your question in your comment above this one “What are you arguing????” either indicates a lack of understanding or a lack of attention or a lack of memory.

    If I sound testy, it’s because I’m tired of spending so much time doing the same thing over and over and explaining the same or similar things over and over to the same people.

  15. Snow on Pine,

    “From Maoist China to Woke America: The Living Memory of Xi Van Fleet”
    “Xi Van Fleet speaks about growing up in Communist China during Mao’s Cultural Revolution—and how “Wokeness” is basically a Westernized version of Chairman Mao’s revolutionary bait-and-switch.”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSHM_COkg1Q

  16. Neo:

    One of my favorite plays is ‘Peter Pan Goes Wrong‘ by the Mischief Theater.

    There certainly had to be times at the Globe when things simply didn’t work out and this parody touches on anything that could.

    Laugh out loud funny.

  17. Geoffrey Britain–The western bloggers I follow, who each lived in China for more than a decade, and who read and speak Chinese—Youtube handles laowhy76, and Serpentza–have talked in their videos about China’s now middle-aged or older “lost generation,” of people who were young Red Guards during China’s Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

    I’d imagine that–with the attitudes and behaviors they learned as Red Guards, and the violent acts they participated in–they are a hell of a problem for people today in China.

  18. Geoffrey Britain–If I remember correctly, to illustrate a “lost generation” type of “don’t care about anyone else” behavior, these bloggers showed a video of an older middle-aged woman, who went to a department store’s grand opening day, where they had piled up samples of their products—expecting, you’d think, that customers would each just take one–and she just started to scoop up and take every sample from the big pile, and shove them in her bag.

    These are people who—probably among a lot of other things–missed out on going to college—because these colleges and universities were closed, and their faculties and curricula under attack by these very same Red Guards.

    I wonder if–because they are former Red Guards– the Communist Chinese government gives them any special kind of pension?

  19. JJ—Is there some repository, somewhere, of all of these perhaps hundreds of thousands of reports of UFOs from the last several decades (or maybe even starting back in the 1930’s or 1940’s)–all given a reasonable assessment of their likelihood, neatly catalogued, and able to be cross checked–for patterns, and one against the others?

    It doesn’t seem that way, but who knows.

    (I have heard Jacques Vallee say that he did construct a computer based “library” of some 200,000 searchable UFO reports from all over the world and from civilian sources when he was working as part of Robert Bigelow’s DIA funded AAWSAP program, and that this library is classified, and has never been released. Did these reports include any classified material from the government? I don’t believe that Vallee ever said, one way or the other.)

    You would think that, if such a library exists, and Dr. Shaun Kirkpatrick and his team members at AARO are at all informed on the subject of UFOs and their history, one of the first things they would do is try and get a copy of this UFO database.

  20. I’ve been enjoying a collection of Stevie Ray Vaughn songs that I bought recently. One song I recognized immediately as a Hendrix song, though I didn’t really recall the Hendrix version that well. It’s called “Little Wing.”

    The more I listen to the SRV version the more I like it. The studio version:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrPZmWBbPQ

    Below is a live version. It’s a treat to be able see it performed without multitracks etc.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6G53BMgugo

  21. RE2: UFOs and the question of proof.

    To quote Pontius Pilot in John 13:38, “What is truth?”

    This question becomes relevant when we are evaluating the statements from both DOD spokesman Susan Gough and AARO head Dr. Shaun Kirkpatrick that there is, so far, no “verifiable “ or “ credible” information about UFOs as being of non- human origin, nor the existence of any UFO crash retrieval and reverse engineering programs.

    What standards of proof are they using?

    What might they accept as being a report, testimony which is credible or verified?

    Would any sworn testimony from a person—or even multiple corroborating witnesses—people with the appropriate background, work history, and security clearance— who say that they have personally seen or worked on alien wreckage, intact alien craft, or seen or even touched a non-human entity meet the test, and be sufficient?

    Or will only the producing of a very obviously non-human craft, or very obviously non-human body have to be their standard of proof?

    P.S. David Grusch has said he has provided the Intelligence community IG and several Congressional committees with the locations of such wreckage, intact craft, programs, and the names of the people running those programs.

    What do you want to bet that this wreckage, these craft, programs, and personnel are no longer where they used to be?

  22. I say let PETA have a go at ’em.
    “Newsom Funded Chinese COVID Lab Known To Biden’s FDA”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/newsom-funded-chinese-covid-lab-known-bidens-fda
    Opening grafs:
    ‘ The discovery last month of a Chinese COVID biolab in California shocked the nation, but likely came as no surprise to the state’s Democrat governor, Gavin Newsom.
    ‘ He helped fund it.
    ‘ The now-notorious secret facility, which contained a massive stockpile of “infectious agents,” including coronavirus, and nearly a thousand dead lab mice and vials of unidentified biological fluids, also likely came as no surprise to the Biden administration.
    ‘ The FDA last year issued a recall warning for nearly 54,000 COVID rapid tests manufactured by the company that owned the lab.
    ‘ Fresno County officials discovered the “unlicensed laboratory” in a warehouse owned by Prestige Biotech, which has ties to multiple Chinese pharmaceutical firms and a president who lives in China and can only be reached by email.
    ‘ The company’s CCP links extend to Barry Zhang …reportedly a [former] leader
    of the Chinese-American Society of CPAs and its work with China’s United Front espionage and propaganda network….’

    Oh no, not ANOTHER Barry…
    Yep, it’s the lawless leading the lawless down the road to perdition. (Hmm, sounds like the name of a town in Californie-yay…)

    Hypocrisy by any other name would smell as sweet.
    (Like the “Prestige” part, though!)

    File under: Zhang Gang.

  23. Neo, she sounds like another of the rare(?) “left-to-right-changers”:

    “Essays on politics and culture from Sasha Stone’s Substack. A former Democrat and Leftist who escaped the bubble to get to know the other side of the country and to take a more critical look at the left. Sashastone.substack.com”

    I searched her name on your site and it was not found. Thought you should know. Quote:

    Yes, David Brooks, You Are the “Bad Guys”
    But it’s not entirely your fault…

    https://sashastone.substack.com/p/yes-david-brooks-you-are-the-bad#details

  24. Geoffrey, Snow On The Pine and interested readers. Xi Van Fleet’s forthcoming book is entitled “Maoist America”.

    She says she was around age 6 when Mao’s Great Leap Forward began.

    He new title amplifies the “Maoism with American characteristics” definition made by James Lindsey, as well as by Victor Davis Hanson. I don’t think that even Chris Ruffo differs, either.

    We seem to have reached a critical consensus about Woke and SWJs.

    Xi Van Fleet emphasizes that you cannot know where you are, or your culture and civilization without accurate history. I expect her to weave that history around an account of her lived experiences.

    I would like to see these thinkers collaborate and discuss Wikipedia’s definition of The Great Cultural Revolution
    and then refine it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution

  25. I was hoping for an answer to the question, “Why we can’t create plays like Shakespeare anymore?”

    Whatever made Shakespeare Shakespeare, I doubt it had much to do with the doughnut shape of the theater, the conversations between audience members nor the beer being hawked directly in the aisles.

  26. Re: Little Wing

    TommyJay:

    An amazing song. For electric guitarists it is a crucible test. No flashy shredding, but such delicacy and intriguing little runs.

    One might assume it’s written for a woman, but Hendrix was personifying the Monterey Pop Festival as a lover.

    It’s on the “Axis Bold as Love” album, which is my favorite Hendrix.

  27. re Vaccine’s, here’s an extensive analysis of the effect of vaccines and behavior on US Covid death rates:

    https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2023/08/the-impact-of-vaccines-and-behavior-on-u-s-cumulative-deaths-from-covid-19.html

    HOWEVER, in a quick read-thru of the paper (the full PDF is available), I don’t see any consideration of adverse side effects and the degree to which they may have offset the vaccine benefits, especially for certain age groups.

  28. shakespeare was popular entertainment crafted from danish sagas, or the pamphlets of popular tudor propagandists like merton, but he could craft them
    into forms that touched on the fundamental emotions that drive the world even today, love and hate, anger jealousy, grasping for power,

  29. @ huxley > “Why we can’t create plays like Shakespeare anymore?”

    He used up all the new words.

    https://nosweatshakespeare.com/resources/words-shakespeare-invented/
    “It is Shakespeare who is credited with creating the below list of words that we still use in our daily speech – some of them frequently. … And it wasn’t just words that Shakespeare created, documented, or brought into common usage – he also put words together and created a host of new phrases.”

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