You know that old joke about “if Trump found a cure for cancer, they would criticize it?” Well… — 23 Comments
The Governor of Michigan should be recalled. Just last week, she threatened the license of any doc who prescribed HCQ.
NRO put up a Corner link to a Hoover Institute where Peter Robinson interviews Princeton history prof Kotkin about what is happening in America and China. He sort of takes the VDH stance on Trump. It’s very nice to hear someone with more brains than Mika.
expat,
Most people have more brains than Mika Brzezinski. Except for Don Lemon.
I get angry when I hear the criticisms from the so-called legacy media. Brian Stelter — really? Does he have a better handle on the virus and what kills it than Trump? Is that what he’s saying? Number one, he’s not a medical practitioner, number two, he probably doesn’t have as many people feeding information to him as Trump does.
And Cornhead, our governor out here in NV also outlawed the use of Hydroxychloroquin. I don’t know where he stands on that now — we have had some dramatic “rescues” of COVID-19 patients using the drug in conjunction with zinc.
Yet people are still dredging up the fish tank cleaner story as “proof” that Trump should not be talking about this.
But let’s back up a minute here — some younger members of Neo’s community might think that Trump is the first President the MSM has gone after. Wrong — they did the same to GWB and before that to his father. And they did the same to Reagan, and of course we don’t even have to mention Nixon — the press was after him relentlessly. IOW, they’ve been at this since at least Nixon, and I can’t remember how the MSM treated Eisenhower but I’m willing to bet there were more than a few who went after that great hero of WWII.
Nothing new to see here. We gotta keep reminding people that this has been going on for virtually all of living memory.
I’m itching to send that link on the LA-area doctor who is seeing cases resolve with HCQ and zinc to my leftist brother in LA. His source of news is CNN. If my brother gets this virus, the link goes to his wife, an RN, immediately.
Meanwhile, here’s another possibility which sounds promising. Mass General is working along with several other hospitals around the country on giving nitric oxide by cpap machine twice a day to COVID-19 patients. They’re also considering a 10-15 minute treatment for medical personnel handling these patients at the beginning and end of each shift.
The left leaning media can not let Trump have any type of success as president of the United States because if he is successful he will be re-elected and that cannot, according to their superior wisdom, be allowed to happen.
The media are turning a difficult situation in a very sorry sad event as they are trying to fly our nation into a mountain in order to avoid a safe easy landing.
This is shaping up to be a massive scandal and an outrage.
The NYTimes says a Trump trust holds a fund that has HCQ manufacturer Sanofi as its largest holding. True. Except the net value of that Trump holding amounts to something between $90 and $1,350. See NRO. Trump must be salivating at the prospect of this fund’s gains.
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The idea that HCQ is dangerous drug is really rather shocking. Some of the nation’s many rheumatologists have pushed back. The media was selling the notion that all patients using it should have an EKG because of possibly heart complications. The rheumatologists say that their prescribing protocol never requires EKGs unless the patient has a history of serious heart disease.
My wife, who took a low dosage for perhaps 15 years did get an ophthalmologist eye exam every year as a precaution against vision side effects.
Neo’s first link to Ace, is interesting in that the doc says that he reserves the HCQ treatment for his most seriously ill patients because he believes that there simply isn’t enough supply for broader use. I suspect he is correct, but that depends on the number of future cases and whether there are people using it on a daily basis as a prophylaxis.
Take a look at this new article over at WUWT. A lot of politicians are using a web site for predictions that is basically run by Democrat activists:
“Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective’ coronavirus treatment, poll of doctors finds”
. . . but the article reveals . . .
“Of the 2,171 doctors asked which drug is most effective, 37 said hydroxychloroquine. By contrast, 32 percent answered ‘nothing’.”
Hmmmm.
It’s worth serious consideration, but 37-to-32 renders it pretty tentative, except for the inconvenient fact that many people are suffering and dying *now*. It seems to me that a doctor has to level with the patient; explain that the treatment has not yet been thoroughly vetted according the strictest standards; explain that as of now the treatment sometimes is effective and sometimes it isn’t; and inform the patient of the most common side effects of the treatment. Then, the patient can be free to either decline treatment or accept treatment with eyes wide open.
But I wish, oh how I wish, politics could be kept out of this. Pleeeeze, just this once?
M J R:
Hard to know how the question was phrased, but hydroxychloroquine is not alleged to be very effective by itself. The preferred treatment combines it with zinc and an antibiotic.
Yes, Neo. When I saw your post on the Ukrainian doctor here in the U.S. and that he was adding zinc sulfate, I wondered what that was about. I believe that the zinc sulfate is just what one would use as an ordinary dietary mineral supplement.
Secondly, there are experiments that apparently show that the HCQ opens up a pathway through cell membranes that helps more zinc enter cells. Then it is the zinc that protects the cells from viruses.
Cornhead said: “The Governor of Michigan should be recalled.”
I thought so too until I remembered that Gilchrist is the Lt. Governess.
Fox commenter about the MSNBC story:
“How do you claim Trump’s making a profit on a dirt cheap drug that’s as common as Pez, while the media is also claiming he’s killing everyone who uses it? LOL
The sad thing is that Mika really is this stupid.”
Yes, the financial interest angle is stupid since it’s a generic. The drug companies make next to nothing, and some have donated millions of doses.
Comment on the WUWT story about models & projections (see Andy McCarthy at NRO also).
“Hoisted on their own petard? The liberals may have a dilemma on whether to credit Trump for saving lives or admit that their models were terribly wrong. I just can’t see them saying anything negative about models.”
They will manage to thread the needle somehow, and continue blaming Trump for whatever happens.
AesopSpouse was pondering favorably on an article today from one of the many people who are skeptical about the need to lock down the economy so tightly, so early, and so long, since we hadn’t done any of that during the earlier pandemics.
I noted that it had not been the case earlier that half of the country was ready to march on the White House with pitchforks, tar, feathers, and other assorted violent implements — complete with a black-masked militia* — when people started dying of those earlier diseases.
In other words, if Trump did exactly what Obama (and other presidents) had done, he would “have blood on his hands.”
Now, doing what he did, he “has blood on his hands” and is profiting** to boot.
And let’s just ignore the Democrat congresscritters who sold off their stocks as soon as they had a private briefing on the growing epidemic before it was widely publicized.
I wonder if any of THEM have holdings (in trust or not) in a fund that has a holding in a medical-related company.
Just asking, since the media never will.
*but maybe not guns, since they don’t believe those are the answer to anything — except when they need one.
**$1350?!?! – I spent more than that on my trips to the grocery & hardware store yesterday! (just an excuse to pick up some gear that I was planning to get later this summer anyway)
Also from WUWT, and this was also my reaction looking at the numbers.
Jeff in Calgary April 7, 2020 at 3:09 pm
Predictions only double the actual are actually quite good. I don’t think I would use the term “Wildly Exaggerated”.
pochas94 April 7, 2020 at 3:57 pm
Agree. If the model resulted in precautions that resulted in a 50 percent reduction in cases, that’s good not bad.
Look at this excerpt in the Breitbart pose:
On Monday, Dr. Robert Redfield, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), appeared on AM 1030 KVOI Radio in Tucson, Arizona, and said that the statistics have dramatically changed since the nation began the stay-at-home campaign.
Redfield said that the number of deaths now looks on track to be “much, much, much lower” than previously projected.
The doctor noted that the nation’s actions as a whole seriously impacted the models used to project the number of deaths. He added that, “those models that were done, they assume only about 50 percent of the American public would pay attention to the recommendations. In fact, what we’re seeing is a large majority of the American public is taking the social distancing recommendations to heart. And I think that’s the direct consequence of why you’re seeing the numbers are going to be much, much, much lower than would have been predicted by the models.”
That still leaves a lot of idiots coughing on the produce, but most of us are following the rules, even if we don’t always agree with them, and some people started earlier with masks and self-isolation before the governments made their decrees.
Old Texan said at 4:55: “The media are turning a difficult situation in a very sorry sad event as they are trying to fly our nation into a mountain in order to avoid a safe easy landing.”
Yes, well the plane has to be crashed in order to kill the pilot you see. As for the passengers, well this is of course regretted by the media. After all, they might have become potential consumers of the product, but….sacrifices must be made.
I find it very concerning that there are no updates on the condition of Prime Minister Boris Johnson. My very best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery soonest.
Looks like Trump is proactively heading off the next pre-impeachment gambit by moving the putative examiner/watchdog for the COVID-19 bailout spending away from the role and substituting his own candidate. Smart move.
For now, the media, Pelosi, and Biden, along with the Left in general, wish to perpetuate a sense of viral Armageddon to make it politically impossible for Trump to initiate a graduated plan of returning America to work. Their hope is for a summer and fall of continued lockdown, a near depression rather than a mere recession, and enough public furor to end Trump in November—while hoping that a sudden post-election end to the lockdown will allow the natural recovery of Trump’s booming economy on their watch in 2021.
Missing in all these calculations is empathy for those who are ill and the losses that such macabre expectations certainly entail. Also absent is a sense of the irony that, by unfairly scapegoating Trump in hours of darkness, they are ensuring that in the upcoming dawn, he will be credited by their same logic with owning what will likely be an impressive U.S. response to suppressing the virus and reviving the economy.
Democrats are in a tizzy because President Trump, while noting a recommendation that we all wear face masks when going out in public–a reversal of the original government claim that masks do no good–said that he probably wouldn’t wear one himself.
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Out of curiosity, I went to Google Images and searched for “Nancy Pelosi wearing mask.” Nada. Likewise for Joe Biden, although he alleged that he was willing to wear one. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t. But I hit pay dirt when I searched “Chuck Schumer wearing mask.” It turns out that once in his life, Schumer did his duty and donned a mask to help fight COVID-19. This is a screen shot from a local TV news program in New York:
Check out how Schumer wears his – he might as well not have it on.
And the commenters expanded along my own line of thinking: President Trump is not shopping at WalMart, not even during Senior Hour.
ronnutter • 2 hours ago
Gail Collins on Trump: “when he announced he wasn’t going to wear face masks because he didn’t want to look funny.” I don’t recall his ever saying this. I do recall he said wearing a mask is voluntary and that he, personally, wasn’t going to wear one, but nothing about him looking “funny” as his rationale for doing so. Also, as I understand it, any and all who enter Trump’s presence must be temperature checked if not virus checked before seeing him. So what’s the problem with his not wearing a mask? The whole project is given away when Collins remarks she didn’t think she could have held Trump in lower regard until he said [what she said above]. That level of bias is a strong indication to take whatever comes next with huge, huge grains of salt.
For the liberals in the news media the hatred is intense. The malevolence is so pronounced you can feel it through the television. These are horrible, vile people. The worst. They suffer from a self-induced sickness, a mental cancer. And it’s eating their brains. They get more crazed and less rational each day.
I don’t think some of them will make it to November. And after Trump wins, a number will end up in institutions.
@ Aesop: Chicagoans, for the most part, are in love with Lightfoot and Pritzker. Pritzker is the one usually who takes jabs at Trump, basically building a divide – which he wants in these times. Recently there’s a meme going around Chicago where they have Lightfoot copied-and-pasted at various city locations for her efforts of telling Chicagoans to obey the shelter-in-place policy. People gushing over her reminds me of how people gushed over Obama. It’s embarrassing. No doubt these two will be re-elected? Trump? Bad Orange Man.
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The Governor of Michigan should be recalled. Just last week, she threatened the license of any doc who prescribed HCQ.
NRO put up a Corner link to a Hoover Institute where Peter Robinson interviews Princeton history prof Kotkin about what is happening in America and China. He sort of takes the VDH stance on Trump. It’s very nice to hear someone with more brains than Mika.
expat,
Most people have more brains than Mika Brzezinski. Except for Don Lemon.
I get angry when I hear the criticisms from the so-called legacy media. Brian Stelter — really? Does he have a better handle on the virus and what kills it than Trump? Is that what he’s saying? Number one, he’s not a medical practitioner, number two, he probably doesn’t have as many people feeding information to him as Trump does.
And Cornhead, our governor out here in NV also outlawed the use of Hydroxychloroquin. I don’t know where he stands on that now — we have had some dramatic “rescues” of COVID-19 patients using the drug in conjunction with zinc.
Yet people are still dredging up the fish tank cleaner story as “proof” that Trump should not be talking about this.
But let’s back up a minute here — some younger members of Neo’s community might think that Trump is the first President the MSM has gone after. Wrong — they did the same to GWB and before that to his father. And they did the same to Reagan, and of course we don’t even have to mention Nixon — the press was after him relentlessly. IOW, they’ve been at this since at least Nixon, and I can’t remember how the MSM treated Eisenhower but I’m willing to bet there were more than a few who went after that great hero of WWII.
Nothing new to see here. We gotta keep reminding people that this has been going on for virtually all of living memory.
I’m itching to send that link on the LA-area doctor who is seeing cases resolve with HCQ and zinc to my leftist brother in LA. His source of news is CNN. If my brother gets this virus, the link goes to his wife, an RN, immediately.
Meanwhile, here’s another possibility which sounds promising. Mass General is working along with several other hospitals around the country on giving nitric oxide by cpap machine twice a day to COVID-19 patients. They’re also considering a 10-15 minute treatment for medical personnel handling these patients at the beginning and end of each shift.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04/06/massachusetts-general-hospital-among-first-to-test-nitric-oxide-on-pandemic-patients/
The left leaning media can not let Trump have any type of success as president of the United States because if he is successful he will be re-elected and that cannot, according to their superior wisdom, be allowed to happen.
The media are turning a difficult situation in a very sorry sad event as they are trying to fly our nation into a mountain in order to avoid a safe easy landing.
This is shaping up to be a massive scandal and an outrage.
The NYTimes says a Trump trust holds a fund that has HCQ manufacturer Sanofi as its largest holding. True. Except the net value of that Trump holding amounts to something between $90 and $1,350. See NRO. Trump must be salivating at the prospect of this fund’s gains.
_____
The idea that HCQ is dangerous drug is really rather shocking. Some of the nation’s many rheumatologists have pushed back. The media was selling the notion that all patients using it should have an EKG because of possibly heart complications. The rheumatologists say that their prescribing protocol never requires EKGs unless the patient has a history of serious heart disease.
My wife, who took a low dosage for perhaps 15 years did get an ophthalmologist eye exam every year as a precaution against vision side effects.
Neo’s first link to Ace, is interesting in that the doc says that he reserves the HCQ treatment for his most seriously ill patients because he believes that there simply isn’t enough supply for broader use. I suspect he is correct, but that depends on the number of future cases and whether there are people using it on a daily basis as a prophylaxis.
Take a look at this new article over at WUWT. A lot of politicians are using a web site for predictions that is basically run by Democrat activists:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/07/wildly-exaggerated-chicom-19-models-are-driving-policy-decisions/
https://nypost.com/2020/04/02/hydroxychloroquine-most-effective-coronavirus-treatment-poll/
The headline (April 2, 2020) announces, . . .
“Hydroxychloroquine rated ‘most effective’ coronavirus treatment, poll of doctors finds”
. . . but the article reveals . . .
“Of the 2,171 doctors asked which drug is most effective, 37 said hydroxychloroquine. By contrast, 32 percent answered ‘nothing’.”
Hmmmm.
It’s worth serious consideration, but 37-to-32 renders it pretty tentative, except for the inconvenient fact that many people are suffering and dying *now*. It seems to me that a doctor has to level with the patient; explain that the treatment has not yet been thoroughly vetted according the strictest standards; explain that as of now the treatment sometimes is effective and sometimes it isn’t; and inform the patient of the most common side effects of the treatment. Then, the patient can be free to either decline treatment or accept treatment with eyes wide open.
But I wish, oh how I wish, politics could be kept out of this. Pleeeeze, just this once?
M J R:
Hard to know how the question was phrased, but hydroxychloroquine is not alleged to be very effective by itself. The preferred treatment combines it with zinc and an antibiotic.
Yes, Neo. When I saw your post on the Ukrainian doctor here in the U.S. and that he was adding zinc sulfate, I wondered what that was about. I believe that the zinc sulfate is just what one would use as an ordinary dietary mineral supplement.
Secondly, there are experiments that apparently show that the HCQ opens up a pathway through cell membranes that helps more zinc enter cells. Then it is the zinc that protects the cells from viruses.
Cornhead said: “The Governor of Michigan should be recalled.”
I thought so too until I remembered that Gilchrist is the Lt. Governess.
Fox commenter about the MSNBC story:
“How do you claim Trump’s making a profit on a dirt cheap drug that’s as common as Pez, while the media is also claiming he’s killing everyone who uses it? LOL
The sad thing is that Mika really is this stupid.”
Yes, the financial interest angle is stupid since it’s a generic. The drug companies make next to nothing, and some have donated millions of doses.
Comment on the WUWT story about models & projections (see Andy McCarthy at NRO also).
“Hoisted on their own petard? The liberals may have a dilemma on whether to credit Trump for saving lives or admit that their models were terribly wrong. I just can’t see them saying anything negative about models.”
https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2020/04/07/clay-travis-media-must-blame-faulty-coronavirus-projections-admit-trump-saved-millions-people/
They will manage to thread the needle somehow, and continue blaming Trump for whatever happens.
AesopSpouse was pondering favorably on an article today from one of the many people who are skeptical about the need to lock down the economy so tightly, so early, and so long, since we hadn’t done any of that during the earlier pandemics.
I noted that it had not been the case earlier that half of the country was ready to march on the White House with pitchforks, tar, feathers, and other assorted violent implements — complete with a black-masked militia* — when people started dying of those earlier diseases.
In other words, if Trump did exactly what Obama (and other presidents) had done, he would “have blood on his hands.”
Now, doing what he did, he “has blood on his hands” and is profiting** to boot.
And let’s just ignore the Democrat congresscritters who sold off their stocks as soon as they had a private briefing on the growing epidemic before it was widely publicized.
I wonder if any of THEM have holdings (in trust or not) in a fund that has a holding in a medical-related company.
Just asking, since the media never will.
*but maybe not guns, since they don’t believe those are the answer to anything — except when they need one.
**$1350?!?! – I spent more than that on my trips to the grocery & hardware store yesterday! (just an excuse to pick up some gear that I was planning to get later this summer anyway)
Also from WUWT, and this was also my reaction looking at the numbers.
Look at this excerpt in the Breitbart pose:
That still leaves a lot of idiots coughing on the produce, but most of us are following the rules, even if we don’t always agree with them, and some people started earlier with masks and self-isolation before the governments made their decrees.
Old Texan said at 4:55: “The media are turning a difficult situation in a very sorry sad event as they are trying to fly our nation into a mountain in order to avoid a safe easy landing.”
Yes, well the plane has to be crashed in order to kill the pilot you see. As for the passengers, well this is of course regretted by the media. After all, they might have become potential consumers of the product, but….sacrifices must be made.
I find it very concerning that there are no updates on the condition of Prime Minister Boris Johnson. My very best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery soonest.
Looks like Trump is proactively heading off the next pre-impeachment gambit by moving the putative examiner/watchdog for the COVID-19 bailout spending away from the role and substituting his own candidate. Smart move.
They have a plan for that.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/05/corona-meltdowns/#top
Back in the hypocrisy (and probably lying as well) department, John Hinderaker had somewhat to say.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/masks-for-thee-not-for-me.php
Check out how Schumer wears his – he might as well not have it on.
And the commenters expanded along my own line of thinking: President Trump is not shopping at WalMart, not even during Senior Hour.
I think I’ll get one of these.
https://i.etsystatic.com/5288709/r/il/4955fd/1292444177/il_570xN.1292444177_ms9m.jpg
For the liberals in the news media the hatred is intense. The malevolence is so pronounced you can feel it through the television. These are horrible, vile people. The worst. They suffer from a self-induced sickness, a mental cancer. And it’s eating their brains. They get more crazed and less rational each day.
I don’t think some of them will make it to November. And after Trump wins, a number will end up in institutions.
But it’s okay if a Democrat breaks the rules.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2020/04/07/do-as-she-says-not-as-she-does-chicago-mayor-gets-haircut-despite-social-distancing-order/
@ Aesop: Chicagoans, for the most part, are in love with Lightfoot and Pritzker. Pritzker is the one usually who takes jabs at Trump, basically building a divide – which he wants in these times. Recently there’s a meme going around Chicago where they have Lightfoot copied-and-pasted at various city locations for her efforts of telling Chicagoans to obey the shelter-in-place policy. People gushing over her reminds me of how people gushed over Obama. It’s embarrassing. No doubt these two will be re-elected? Trump? Bad Orange Man.