You want sleeves? The 1830s will give you sleeves — 19 Comments
Even with the undergarments being cotton or linen, the thought of wearing so much cloth in warm weather, like today, is too much, although the petticoats would keep the top dress from clinging.
Hot. Very hot.
I am so grateful that I live in this century. (ok…and some of the last century – but _NOT_ in the one before that!)
You know…
There are two women in that presentation – the dresser, and the dressee. I suspect that within the population, there are probably more dressers than dressees (forgive the made up words), and I’d be willing to bet that the dressers don’t have the same falderol as the dressee. That doesn’t mean that they have fewer layers of clothing though. Just that they had to be able to put those layers on by themselves. I can’t imagine having to get up every morning and go through the process of getting dressed like that!
Next time I am frustrated by how long it takes me to get dressed for work in the morning (which is usually my own fault, anyway) I’ll remember this. I can’t imagine what it felt like to have giant padded muffs around both upper arms like that, not to mention the rigid stays under the dress.
Fantastic! It’s a bit later than the period I’m currently writing in, but still very interesting. If you come across a similar video for the Regency era, do please post it.
My thought on this is totally gauche….All I can think about is how is she going to use the facilities?
I do period dress (mostly late Victorian and Edwardian) for book events – and it’s not that bad, actually – even with a shift, corset, petticoat, long skirt and bodice.
Gail on August 14, 2019 at 1:48 am said:
My thought on this is totally gauche….All I can think about is how is she going to use the facilities?
* * *
I’ve seen Chang’s video before and found it very, um, informative.
However, the real purpose for women’s dresses and split-knickers (or lack thereof) is that, for most of history, there were no facilities to be used.
Think of “clothing privilege” as one more advantage men have over women.
There are four documents that make up the founding of the USA…
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights
The Articles of Confederation The Articles of Association
Passed on October 20, 1774 the Articles of Association
sometimes also called the Continental Association
2. That we will neither import nor purchase any Slave imported after the first day of December next; after which time we will wholly discontinue the Slave Trade, and will neither be concerned in it ourselves, nor will we hire our vessels, nor sell our Commodities or Manufactures to those who are concerned in it.
unless they erased it from your history… you would know the USA was never founded in slavery, quite not… from Jeffersons notes on a copy of the constitution, to this document… we used to know..
anyway… thats what i got today on slaves…
oh? you mean Sleeves
Nevermind… – emily lattella…
“Gail on August 14, 2019 at 1:48 am said:
My thought on this is totally gauche….All I can think about is how is she going to use the facilities?”
Ha. The average guy’s are probably more tacky, while having nothing to do with removing layers for such reasons as you imagine. Daunting …
Heh. My question might be even tackier…
_What_ facilities??
My closest highschool friend lived out in the country. A neighbor of hers died. The first thing his wife did after his death was to have running water piped into the house. No more outhouse.
One of the first houses I lived in after I was married…had an outhouse for about a month. I got to watch them put the well in…very interesting process! The parents of the owner lived across the road…still had an outhouse. What’s more, she had severe health problems…had to have a night “pot” which her husband emptied in the AM.
So…in 1830, what facilities were available?
I remember in France when we were there, public facilities were holes in the ground. With a footprint on each side for guidance, I guess. With all the spread on that dress plus the opening for the under garments, that might work I suppose.
I am _so_ glad I live now!!
Not a decent pocket to be had.
My childhood house/home had an outhouse, though when my parents bought it the house also had running water with facilities. The outhouse had two doors, with two seats to a side, and a concrete floor. We used the outhouse for storing lawn mowers and the gas can for the mowers. Occasionally, we also used the outhouse in the manner for which it was built.
Speaking of improvements, my uncle told me that the farmhouse he grew up in didn’t get electricity until the late 1930s.
Gerard Vanderleun:
Are you kidding me? The pockets there aren’t just decent, they’re FABULOUS! They are worn under the dress and accessed through discreet slits. You could fit a chihuahua in there! Maybe two.
Is that a chihuahua under your dress or are you just glad to see me?
“Gerard vanderleun on August 14, 2019 at 2:23 pm said:
Not a decent pocket to be had.”
Hahaha … I think he’s quoting from that old Fred Astaire movie where Astaire and his college football player buddy take over a dressmaking outfit in France. (Pretty awful film, but about 10 minutes of worthwhile entertainment including Astaire on the piano, if you can busy yourself otherwise for most of it.)
Even with the undergarments being cotton or linen, the thought of wearing so much cloth in warm weather, like today, is too much, although the petticoats would keep the top dress from clinging.
Hot. Very hot.
I am so grateful that I live in this century. (ok…and some of the last century – but _NOT_ in the one before that!)
You know…
There are two women in that presentation – the dresser, and the dressee. I suspect that within the population, there are probably more dressers than dressees (forgive the made up words), and I’d be willing to bet that the dressers don’t have the same falderol as the dressee. That doesn’t mean that they have fewer layers of clothing though. Just that they had to be able to put those layers on by themselves. I can’t imagine having to get up every morning and go through the process of getting dressed like that!
Next time I am frustrated by how long it takes me to get dressed for work in the morning (which is usually my own fault, anyway) I’ll remember this. I can’t imagine what it felt like to have giant padded muffs around both upper arms like that, not to mention the rigid stays under the dress.
Fantastic! It’s a bit later than the period I’m currently writing in, but still very interesting. If you come across a similar video for the Regency era, do please post it.
My thought on this is totally gauche….All I can think about is how is she going to use the facilities?
cough cough Gail https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUHeSTDv_24
I do period dress (mostly late Victorian and Edwardian) for book events – and it’s not that bad, actually – even with a shift, corset, petticoat, long skirt and bodice.
Gail on August 14, 2019 at 1:48 am said:
My thought on this is totally gauche….All I can think about is how is she going to use the facilities?
* * *
I’ve seen Chang’s video before and found it very, um, informative.
However, the real purpose for women’s dresses and split-knickers (or lack thereof) is that, for most of history, there were no facilities to be used.
Think of “clothing privilege” as one more advantage men have over women.
There are four documents that make up the founding of the USA…
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights
The Articles of Confederation
The Articles of Association
Passed on October 20, 1774 the Articles of Association
sometimes also called the Continental Association
Full Text: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Continental_Association
2. That we will neither import nor purchase any Slave imported after the first day of December next; after which time we will wholly discontinue the Slave Trade, and will neither be concerned in it ourselves, nor will we hire our vessels, nor sell our Commodities or Manufactures to those who are concerned in it.
unless they erased it from your history… you would know the USA was never founded in slavery, quite not… from Jeffersons notes on a copy of the constitution, to this document… we used to know..
anyway… thats what i got today on slaves…
oh? you mean Sleeves
Nevermind… – emily lattella…
Ha. The average guy’s are probably more tacky, while having nothing to do with removing layers for such reasons as you imagine. Daunting …
Heh. My question might be even tackier…
_What_ facilities??
My closest highschool friend lived out in the country. A neighbor of hers died. The first thing his wife did after his death was to have running water piped into the house. No more outhouse.
One of the first houses I lived in after I was married…had an outhouse for about a month. I got to watch them put the well in…very interesting process! The parents of the owner lived across the road…still had an outhouse. What’s more, she had severe health problems…had to have a night “pot” which her husband emptied in the AM.
So…in 1830, what facilities were available?
I remember in France when we were there, public facilities were holes in the ground. With a footprint on each side for guidance, I guess. With all the spread on that dress plus the opening for the under garments, that might work I suppose.
I am _so_ glad I live now!!
Not a decent pocket to be had.
My childhood house/home had an outhouse, though when my parents bought it the house also had running water with facilities. The outhouse had two doors, with two seats to a side, and a concrete floor. We used the outhouse for storing lawn mowers and the gas can for the mowers. Occasionally, we also used the outhouse in the manner for which it was built.
Speaking of improvements, my uncle told me that the farmhouse he grew up in didn’t get electricity until the late 1930s.
Gerard Vanderleun:
Are you kidding me? The pockets there aren’t just decent, they’re FABULOUS! They are worn under the dress and accessed through discreet slits. You could fit a chihuahua in there! Maybe two.
Is that a chihuahua under your dress or are you just glad to see me?
Hahaha … I think he’s quoting from that old Fred Astaire movie where Astaire and his college football player buddy take over a dressmaking outfit in France. (Pretty awful film, but about 10 minutes of worthwhile entertainment including Astaire on the piano, if you can busy yourself otherwise for most of it.)
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