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  1. “And in fact, what a nation decides to teach is very often a political decision, particularly in its state-funded schools, as opposed to its private schools”

    True, but my experience is that the private schools (my last class tomorrow before retirement!) are even more extreme in their leftist “studies” departments than the public colleges. And for another leftist stronghold, I know for certain that the Education departments/schools at the public schools are much more of the old style “pedagogy” as opposed to the “indoctrination curriculum of private school Ed departments. There are notable exceptions such as SUNY-Binghamton with their ideological litmus test, which was I believe shot down in a court case. Private schools are unrestrained by 1st Amendment obligations to be as crazy as they wish.

    I also agree with you that the subjects of the “studies” departments could be of interest if pursued objectively, and more appropriately within sociology. But sociology has left the land of the sane. And the general acceptance of post-modernism has insured that the option of objective scholarship is gone as far as I can see.

  2. The term “Cultural Marxism”, a perhaps clumsy but largely accurate term for hard-left identity politics and post-modernist Neo-Marxism, is widely regarded by leftists and lazy ignorant journalists as a myth invented by conspiratorially-inclined conservatives.

  3. However, I wonder whether there’s any turning back at this point, at least in the US. –Neo

    At least partly a function of the boom in college education over the last 50 years — where else can we spend all that tuition and grant money and pull in some new students with their parental dough. And all booms have their busts. This one lasted so long, the shrinkage is going to be fierce as Sweet Brier, Antioch, and Evergreen State can already testify. When competition via the internet and other new forces puncture the monopoly financing model 99.9% of colleges have followed, there will be some rationalizing of their cost structures. I have a dream…. I have a dream today…

    In which Diversity Departments will vanish like chaff from the thresher, and let English roll on like a river, Latin and Classics like a never-failing stream.

  4. The solution would be to limit student loans to those fields where the probability of repayment is above 50%. The federal student loan program began as “National Defense Student Loans.” The pending collapse of the loan fund, which is higher than mortgage federal guarantees, will provide an incentive to clamp down.

    On line education is fully capable of taking over most of the present college industry.

  5. None of the victimology programs are serious academic disciplines and none are of interest to aught but a tiny minority of students. Women’s studies has the largest constituency. Fewer than 2,000 degrees are awarded at American campuses in a typical year. As we speak, about 1.8 million baccalaureates are awarded annually and over 600,000 of these in one of the academic or artistic disciplines. If a state legislature were to define the universe of instructional subjects such that women’s studies was excluded, you’d inconvenience few students. It’s patronage for a favored political interest.

    Ideally, the staffing of academic programs and the like would reflect student interest as ascertained in degree awards over long periods. In a rank and file private college with 2,500 students, that means psychology, biology, political science, English, speech and rhetoric, sociology, history, economics, computer science, mathematics, music, studio art, theatre and dance, and film. In a fairly rarefied sort of place which eschews vocational majors, you might add chemistry and anthropology. At a large census state teaching institution (with, say, 11,000 students), you might add geology, physics, anthropology, geography, Spanish, philosophy, and writing programs.

    If you want a cross-subsidized low census program just to have it, lots of choices: astronomy, meterology and climatology, statistics, linguistics, demography, human development, comparative religion. classics, and any foreign language other than Spanish.

  6. Neo, thanks very much for your posting and also for the links — especially to Dr. Sowell’s piece.

    My Honey and I started at the U. of Chicago in 1961. We were on one campus or another right through 1974, when he finished his UC post-doc and got a Real Job (at Argonne). (I slogged on at UICC until I got my MS in spring of 1977 and the Young Miss at Christmas that year.)

    The Sixties — “That slum of a decade,” as I understand John Updike put it. And indeed it was in many ways, but I think his viewpoint on what made it a “slum” was somewhat the opposite of mine. To me it was basically an era where the practice of plain civility went out and the practices of demands, intimidation, violence, and spitting on America and her culture came in.

    [That’s me in a bad mood. The idea that Negroes and those with Negro ancestry should not be discriminated against was and is, of course, to be applauded. It’s sad, to say the least, that individualism was going Out and collectivism was becoming the In thing, with violence as one of its tactics. Of course some of the violence was at the hands of those who were fighting to maintain segregation, which was equally rotten and squalid, and ended up giving Southerners generally a reputation as “racist rednecks.” The upshot of all that pro- and anti-discrimination violence was that it gave cover to violence in general and to disrespect and disregard for norms of civil behavior in general. Which is not to say that the civil rights movement of (mostly) the ’60s was the only thing that ate away at these norms.]

  7. The solution would be to limit student loans to those fields where the probability of repayment is above 50%.

    That’s not the solution, that’s an incremental adjustment. (And the treatment of student loans in bankruptcy court is brutal).

    A partial solution for private higher education would be an end to every shred of governmental assistance other than allowing such institutions to bid for public contracts and providing scholarships for veterans and government employees detailed to study. The general run of students who wanted to attend would obtain loans from banks or finance companies at market rates. The treatment of student loans in bankruptcy court would be as close to ordinary consumer debt as possible, with just enough enhanced creditor protection to allow a market to emerge at non-usurious rates.

    As for public higher education, rationed vouchers should be the order of the day, along with strict rules in state legislation about what does and does not count as a proper instructional subject.

  8. “Actually, I think that black studies and gender studies and all the rest are very legitimate fields to ponder and learn about—in other words, they are legitimate areas of study if those studies could be objective and present all sides of the questions involved.” neo

    Actually, I don’t think that they are legitimate fields of study. Both rely upon identity politics. And if those studies were taught objectively, presenting all sides of the questions involved the conclusion that “there’s no there, there” would be inescapable.

    Black individuals have made important contributions but as a group? What historical contribution to civilization have black societies made? OK, jazz… but most of that is dissonant so its arguable that jazz is a mixed bag too.

    While “gender studies” is an attempt to legitimize gender dysphoria. These are people whose sense of self is in opposition to their biological reality. Reality cannot be dysfunctional because reality is what actually manifests… rather than what we wish were so. I’d love to win the lotto but so far its not happening. (Of course if I actually played it… my chances might increase 😉

  9. If you want a cross-subsidized low census program just to have it, lots of choices:

    We used to say that Geology majors had two career choices, oil companies or Geology professorships. But it was a fun major. I allowed my youngest daughter to major in French for two reasons, one of my medical students was a French major and it seemed to require more rigor than “Communications” which my oldest son graduated in on his way to Law School.

  10. NCES: Bachelor’s, master’s, and doctor’s degrees conferred by postsecondary institutions, by sex of student and discipline division: 2014-15

    As there aren’t that many “studies” graduates, it would appear that universities could drop them for lack of demand. After all, some universities have dropped geology.

    Area, ethnic, cultural, gender, and group studies 7,782

    Which includes women’s studies. I would trust this data more than the previous source- which claimed 14 k grads- as this covers all. Or, to use a favored buzzword, it is more inclusive. Note that for all the brouhaha about gays and lesbians, there are only 18 gay and lesbian major grads in this table.

  11. physicsguy on December 5, 2018 at 4:43 pm at 4:43 pm said:
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  12. Legitimate fields? At best they should be deemed as “specialties” in a social science or minors in the degree list, not actual majors.

  13. The solution would be to limit student loans to those fields where the probability of repayment is above 50%. –MikeK

    Student loans represent almost half the federal government’s total assets. I am pretty sure you know that; it was a huge change during the Obama administration which federalized the whole program so that government now issues 80% of all student loans. Imagine what that means if the ultimate repayment rate is less than 50%. A quarter of the nation’s balance sheet exists only on paper and will be losses over coming years. And, since students taking federal loans know darn well the chance of an amnesty or other gifts is far greater than were it a private loan, that repayment ratio is sure to be falling in the next 10 years.

  14. However, I wonder whether there’s any turning back at this point, at least in the US. –Neo

    Which means your gonna start finding the changers that change the OTHER way
    ho hum…

    Schindlers list is celebrating 25 years…
    not that anyone actually learns anything from whats missing…

    with the banning, the anti certain race policies in college mimicking german studies on certain groups, reinvention of the similar ideas, eugenics acceptable, civil hate…

    Gliechshaltung is nearly completed, and quite unopposed…
    the KPD wins this time… against a phantom… [its easier that way]
    and the oldsters [mostly you guys] will die out fast, but arent quite getting that we arent all that far, from ovens, or a conflict. even the troops are already ready, and sitting in various places waiting… not that anyone cares, or wants to discuss it… oh, nice new weapons, and violations of treaties…

    Gliechshaltung, public confession, politically correct minds, deer that was a horse, virtue signalling, native lands for natives (blood and soil)..

    all the same…
    some are just rebranded, from old ideas we dont teach, and have totally forgotten, including the people and what happened… cant even reference them…

    after all, this whole thread lies in the lap of the area of Bella Dodd, and otehrs mentioned before about waht was being taught and their changing sides was ignored..

  15. The ideas that “everyone is a winner” and that “everyone needs to go to college” have been pernicious ideas that have had very disastrous effects on our educational system, as far too many people who are neither prepared nor cut out for college attend, at ruinous cost to their parents and themselves.

    While we need an awful lot of people trained and proficient in the (looked down upon) trades and crafts in order to keep our complex society running–and running well, what we get, instead, is an over supply of dissatisfied college “graduates” who, in apparently far too many cases, end up working as baristas and waitstaff.

    Dissatisfied people who have huge college debts obstructing their progress, and making it almost impossible for them to get on with the business of life—getting married, having children, and renting their own apartments or buying a house,

    People who, it is very likely, have been told and who believe that they should have been destined for great things—see “everyone is a winner” above.

    They feel, I am sure, that they have been cheated, and this level of dissatisfaction is not a good thing, either for them or for our society.

  16. The reference to “studies” is NOT the first of it

    the whole idea of splitting schools goes bacl to that excerpt in progressive woodrow wilsons speeches, i desperately tried to cover this before this:

    In keeping with the diversity and inclusion movement sweeping campuses across the country, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo … released a 30-page report outlining plans to “improve diversity” via a series of initiatives.…

    “In 2011, the campus was 63 percent Caucasian,” the May 2 report informs readers, “in fall of 2017, it was less than 55 percent … but there is still much work to do.”

    What would have happened to science and progress if the jewish scholars that dominated academia (and actually made up a lot of this stuff thats coming around to bite them), were reduced to the proportion they existed in the population?

    No one notices that all their liberation policies are eugenic, cause what would they have to admit before doing that? The liberated following orders, would rather die out than that, wouldnt they?

    No one notices the advice damages the structures needed for self defense…

    On and on it goes, as each point is only cut up and diced in terms of isolate
    like bacteria in a petri dish, you dont get how it lives, what it does, where it goes, and so on… thats the wonderful beauty of segmentation and isolation of concepts. you feel like your learning, but you dont integrate ideas… “your fluid thinking is damaged” by these things, they have experiences, but they dont integrate into a cogent reality [as entertainment erases more and more reality and skews its physics and principals, which we learn from and follow now that momma kicked dadda out and parks kids in front of things to shut them up at the earliest ages possible]

    The Gender Studies has actually reached a point where the ladies that started this… bored houswives convinced by a communist hack named naomi goldstein, that their lives suked, and that men bribed and tricked and oppressed them…

    but note, when they had their husbands minds in the ages, their husbands made the society the LADIES wanted, which is why you change ladies, you change society – “even the ugly ones” – should be “especially the ugly bitter vengeful vindictive ones told they were cheated”
    [note they are listed in nechyeve… chatechism of the revolutionary. referred to as VAPID]

  17. Bella Dodd – was head of the communist party and the teachers union.. we dont discuss her, so this bs goes back to when the KGB gave the CPUSA orders and bella dodd CHANGED sides, which for some reason, we only go over the ‘safe’ changers, that do and mean nothing. not the really deep ones who could be tortured, their families tortured, gassed, poisoned, etc.. nah, we do peoploe like david mamett… so we dont learn about the past, we learn about the presents affect on people, and taht prepares us for what? nothing.

    Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt An American freelance writer and former senior policy advisor to the U.S. Department of Education. Another changer who tried to warn us about this thing and that it was POLICY from the feds, not the power of the women making noise and taking back (mostly unopposed) what they wanted or imagined!!

    John Taylor Gatto [he just died less than a month ago… ] – an American author and school teacher who taught in the classroom for nearly 30 years. He devoted much of his energy to his teaching career, then, following his resignation, authored several books on modern education, criticizing its ideology, history, and consequences. He is best known for his books Dumbing Us Down: the Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling, and The Underground History of American Education: A Schoolteacher’s Intimate Investigation Into the Problem of Modern Schooling, which is sometimes considered to be his magnum opus. He was named New York City Teacher of the Year in 1989, 1990, and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991

    “NEVER let them know their thoughts are not their own” Not Willi Loeman

    well if not, whose are they? which is why you track back a thought in a pedigree, not stop short.. then you might find out what beliefs were placed in your life that you never had a hcance to review… they dot the landscape…

    and 1991, and New York State Teacher of the Year in 1991

    Dewey, a card member of a certin party, designed the public schools – and this march started a long time ago, when the state drew guns and forced children into a state school in massachusets taking away parental rights

    since then they been using the feminists to take more and more rights away, through various doctrines of “Parens Patria, building the long term legal case that you, and everyone else, is unfit to parent… and so, every child belongs to the state and the parents are just wards, the way schindler ran his factory FOR THE STATE

    all this has a very interesting pedegree that would blow minds
    we return to the more modern stilted discussion about bad schooling, and wait with baited breath and anticipation for some really good ‘filling in blanks’

    have a great holiday season

    not much of one is it?
    everything is being banned like that victorian era… and other eras
    blaming waht men made was what men wanted not waht their wives and women in the social sphere, just like florence Nightingale said..

    isnt that Cool in an antropological jane goodall kind of way?

  18. Every time I see something labeled “far-right” or “anti-government,” my respect for the “far-right” and “anti-government” types grows.

    Abolishing studies departments isn’t enough. Revoke the degrees, they’re as truthful, scholarly, and scientific as Soviet economics degrees or Nazi anthropology degrees.

  19. John Dewey called Mann “the patron saint of progressive education”….

    “your children are hostages to our cause”.

    So much, then, my friends, is done, in the common and established course of nature, for the welfare of our children. Nature supplies a perennial force, unexhausted, inexhaustible, re-appearing whenever and wherever the parental relation exists.

    We, then, who are engaged in the sacred cause of education, are entitled to look upon all parents as having given hostages to our cause; and, just as soon as we can make them see the true relation in which they and their children stand to this cause, they will become advocates for its advancement, more ardent and devoted than ourselves.

    We hold every parent by a bond more strong and faithful than promises or oaths, – by a Heaven-established relationship, which no power on earth can dissolve.

    Would parents furnish us with a record of their secret consciousness, how large a portion of those solemn thoughts and emotions, which throng the mind in the solitude of the night-watches, and fill up their hours of anxious contemplation, would be found to relate to the welfare of their offspring!

    – “Lectures and annual reports on education” by Horace Mann 1867

    A bit late to the party, eh?
    doesnt seem so if you DON’T know this and more..
    you might think it started in your lifetime, like the 1960s
    but its been going on much longer, like a catherdral that takes 200 years
    way too slow for you to percieve naturally

    It is the aim of progressive education to take part in correcting unfair privilege and unfair deprivation, not to perpetuate them.

    Wherever social control means subordination of individual activities to class authority, there is danger that industrial education will be dominated by acceptance of the status quo. “Democracy and Education”

    – 1916 – John Dewey

    thats a damn site farther back than the 1960s… [isnt it?]

    The doctrine of extreme individualism was but the counterpart, the obverse, of ideals of the indefinite perfectibility of man and of a social organization having a scope as wide as humanity. The emancipated individual was to become the organ and agent of a comprehensive and progressive society.

    “Democracy and Education” – 1916 – John Dewey page 63

    by the way, if you read (past tense) what i have read, you would be HORRIFIED
    good thing they dont let you know… isnt it?

  20. ”chief among them the condescending holier-than-thou tone of the gender studies professors”

    Here’s hoping that ‘tude will supply big laffs before they’re guillotined.

    The claim that these studies could be objective (if they were, they’d be part of the history department) and the assertion that the leftism is ‘baked in the cake’ are contradictory. Either ingredients—the hatred, lies, self-deception, phony science—can yield truth {gales of riotous laughter} or the cake is a fraud.

  21. Before the progressives called themselves progressives, they went by another name: Reformers

    [they change names cause doing that makes it easy to dupe you all.. you dont go back and learn the other names… so you dont know the progressives, were the reformers… you dont know that the hungarians were the magyar.. the holocaust/shoa was world storm, and hundreds of such repalcements that make finding anything using the old term, dissapear… COOL, eh?]

    Feminism made turning your kids over to the state, the only answer for a harried single mother… how convenient…

    Having found the present generation composed of materials almost unmalleable, I am about transferring my efforts to the next. Men are cast-iron; but children are wax. Strength expended upon the latter may be effectual, which would make no impression upon the former. Horace Mann

    “Where anything is growing, one former is worth a thousand re-formers.” – Horace Mann

    Philosopher Fichte introduced Pestalozzi’s progressive education to Germany, and there Horace Mann and Calvin Stowe picked it up, to bring to the U.S.

    which is why we have KINDER garten… thats GERMAN… raising kids like flowers domesticating them to make a better world, molding educaiton suystem based on the totalitarians the reformers admired.

    Fichte(along with Rodbertus and Lassalle) are acknowledged fathers of socialism.

    anyone know their names? acknowleged by whom and when?

    Isaiah Berlin lists 6 modern architects of the authoritarian state: Rousseau, Helvetius, Fichte, Saint-Simon, Maistre, and Hegel.

    thats it.. there is enough in these postings for you to find what you may not want to find… good hunting with no will…

  22. “vast quantities of indisputably serious, relevant, compelling work” are claimed to have emerged from Africana and gender studies.
    OK, let’s have an example.
    Those are strong words, but absolutely meaningless in the context of their use.
    The “work” is all- all- rubbish, pure trash.

  23. Attended a series of lectures on defeated Nazi Germany in the aftermath of WWII, and what was happening, particularly in Berlin, as the Allies took over, the city was divided and, first, the Wall went up and, then, the Wall fell.

    While the main focus was on the Berlin Airlift, the final lecture shifted to focus on what was happening to actual people, on the ground, particularly in the Soviet sector of occupied Berlin.

    I was struck by how the Left/Communists made such strenuous and comprehensive efforts to exert complete control over every source of information—newspapers, radio, education, entertainment and the Arts, public and private correspondence—and how that was very reminiscent of some of the things that those on the Left are trying to or are actually doing, today, in our country.

    The Communist’s secret police, the STASI, built up dossiers on potential dissidents, and censored every form of communication—they opened, copied, and censored letters (they had a whole bunch of tools to allow them to inspect and reseal them) they also opened letters and parcels to remove things they didn’t think that the people should see or have (or that they wanted for themselves), sometimes blacking out lines in letters containing ideas or information that they didn’t want the people in the East to know.

    Weren’t all these attempts at censorship somewhat similar in effect to banning, shaming, and de-platforming people today in our communication sources, and on social media?

    One large facet of the Communist efforts at control was Education, and Communists drove out all the teachers and professors who were not willing to teach the Communist party line.

    Said the Communists, teaching ideology was much more important than teaching subject matter. Sound familiar?

    It all seemed pretty similar in some respects to what is happening today, with the Left’s almost complete domination and control of our Educational establishment, their indoctrination of students, and their strenuous efforts to deny any other opposing viewpoints a chance to speak on college campuses.

    Then, today, we also have the Leftist domination of the news and entertainment industries, and Leftist tech giants manipulating and censoring the things we are allowed to say, the ideas we are allowed to express, and the information we are allowed to see and freely discuss.

    Different time, different techniques, same, intended effect.

  24. Given what i said about using women to move kids to state control, a timely article appeared.

    Liberals Say Lower Divorce Rate Is Bad Because It Causes…Income Inequality
    https://therevolutionaryact.com/liberals-lower-divorce-rate-bad/

    really? but income inequalty was lower back in the evil racist nazi white male oppressor days… [i suggest investing in ovens – cremetoriums]

    Because inequality. Specifically, the cause of the lower divorce rate seems to be young people particularly with college degrees are waiting until their careers and finances are on track to marry, while poorer people with less education are not getting married at all, but instead just living together and having kids.

    Married people are generally wealthier in the first place (at the very least, their income is combined into one household, not split into two.) This combined with the college-degree income earning means more wealth among married people. Those who live together are in a more unstable relationship, often resulting in rotating men with a woman and children in a household. That is leaving them even poorer than their married brethren.

    so, once impoverished, the nobel who take on the evil to their selves get to sacrifice heaven and immortality being forced to commit sins for the good of the peoples and their future.

    whatever

    “Fewer divorces, therefore, aren’t only bad news for matrimonial lawyers but a sign of America’s widening chasm of inequality. Marriage is becoming a more durable, but far more exclusive, institution.”

    who woudl thunk it…
    but, this all influences school
    as the poor single moms in poverty put their kid to be programmed by the feminists in the state schools
    and these elite, finally got rid of the riff raff they had to put up with from before feminism, and get to have those white picket fence, time for your kids, lovely vacations, as their kids are taught to be bosses who can control the underlings in the other schools.

    its obvious if you ever compare and contrasted the Dalton school curriculum in grade school leader bees with the schools for the drones, high in crime, drugs, malfeasanse, sexual deviance, pervert female predators replacing the men, and on and on..

    which is why they cant organize and do business like immigrants
    the immigrants dont get to be cripped, they are not MALLEABLE
    like their children are once they get hip and the ladies liberate our lives

  25. Datausa: 2,677 Women’s Studies degrees awarded in 2016.

    Again, the Digest of Education Statistics identifies about 1,300 baccalaureates awarded. There are a few more with different labels.

  26. Student loans represent almost half the federal government’s total assets.

    Since when is the value of federal property ever enumerated?

  27. We have 2,200 words worth of text-wall courtesy one particular person today. Rather onanistic.

  28. Hungary, along with Poland, seems to have an attitude of looking at all the nonsense going on the modern world and deciding it will have none of that. Good for them.

  29. Happy Birthday Amendment XIII – Ratified today…

    Hungary, along with Poland, seems to have an attitude of looking at all the nonsense going on the modern world and deciding it will have none of that. Good for them.

    Hungary and Poland were soviet, they were part of the machine, they were privy to the things that were planned for the west… which are detailed from open archives, filched archives and changers we ignore…

    IF a movement in anotner place was co-opted, and it grew and metastisized into a social destructive force (like a neutron bomb, leaviong material and IP alone), would you allow it to come around the building and in through the back door of your own country?

    A mental virus, like a biological one, is an idea and if done for disinformaiton, and so on, would be something that you would not want to be passed on till it came back to you…

    right out of the historyh books:
    In 1904 Hungarian women founded the Feminist Association, one of whose leading members was Rózsa Bédy-Schwimmer, who was a well-known figure in feminist and peace politics all over the world. (She received the World Peace Award in 1937.)

    After World War II the women’s movement was coopted by the Communist Party and so was not able to function independently for many years.

    they had already worked on it and converted it in their own countries, found out how bad it was, and how it caused below repalcement birth rates, and so then delivered the soviet communist version.

    but since women would have to overcome ego and vanity to admit they been had, and used and that all they did was quite, bad in the long run… it wont happen… they would rather let it fail than do that – ever.. [thats the bishop guarding the queen]

    very few people here know the soviet feminsm
    even neo avoids it… (harvard papers and all i sent, way too long to post by me, and deemed something you dont need to know… or some other reason, that amounts to the same thing technically)

    you can see the feminists tried to fight it with the same rhetoric they do here… they are being attacked, they are victims, they are being BLAMED..

    here see [i can only give you a very tiny bit and that may be too much – since there is no definite number, and its on the capriciousness of the fates, we will have to wait to find out… ]:

    There’s the blame narrative: Hungarian women aren’t having enough children to reverse the declining birth rate; Roma women are having too many children, threatening Hungary’s ethnic bloodlines. And there’s the victim narrative: In the lead up to the recent referendum on refugees, migrants were presented as dangerous rapists and polygamists.

    Sound familiar?

    Under communism, Hungarian women were exploited for political and economic purposes as well. Although some Western scholars have described the socialist state’s approach to women as “state feminism,” this is a misinterpretation.

    IT was state feminism, but since the rhetoric they use to sell it to the women doesnt match, they think that what they were doing was something different, NOT that what they were told was what was necessary to get their compliance… until they discovered and changed…

    Feminism was a “bourgeois” movement, and therefore had no legitimacy in a system that had the “dictatorship of the proletariat” as a model. In fact, communist leaders banned all feminist organizations in 1949, creating one large, communist party led organization—the Democratic Women’s Alliance—instead. Independent feminist voices were silenced.

    Well, the part they are NOT telling you was that if they didnt, they would not exist today. The feminists collapsed the population in all the satellites below repalcement, making the blame game that is above… ie. they self exterminated… then the soviets tried to fix this by paying the single mothers to have kids, and so on..

    eventually, to save their state, they outlawed it…

    bet you guys all know that and so i am just wasting space, right?

    Equality between women and men in the communist-era workplace was less a result of a progressive state ideology than a logical outcome of a productivist economic model: women were required by law to be employed, so they were employed.

    The stereotypical poster image of the woman tractor driver was mostly state propaganda, a forcibly imposed public representation of the “emancipated” woman working on a collective farm.

    It became a cliché of socialist imagery but wasn’t truly a tribute to women.

    And while women were promoted in the workplace and in some decision making bodies – notably never in the decisive one, the Politburo – they remained “domestic slaves” at home and violence against women was never discussed.

    ah… maybe they learned something in the 40 years head start they get.
    here in the WEST, they think those posters are REAL
    they think that the women had a real place…

    they use that to tell womens studies and gender studies that this soviet system is going to give them what they are told to want… too early to remember they were told… so it feels like always

    and just like marx wrote on the jewish question that created the holocaust with engels
    the left outside your purview, wrote Clara Zetkin: Lenin on the Women’s Question

    Feminism in Russia originated in the 18th century, influenced by the Western European Enlightenment and mostly confined to the aristocracy.Throughout the 19th century, the idea of feminism remained closely tied to revolutionary politics and to social reform. In the 20th century Russian feminists, inspired by socialist doctrine, shifted their focus from philanthropic works to organizing among peasants and factory workers. After the February Revolution of 1917, feminist lobbying gained suffrage

    just like here. with the hypenated name to let other aristocracy know what families you were from for your pedigree…
    i was never to give women a name.. cause all they be doing is promoting their grandfather instead of their husband.. and what for if not in the blue book, the register, etc? mimicry without knowing i guess.

  30. Ach, fiddlesticks, where’s Wodehouse when we need him? Oh wait . . . he’s right there in the bookcase!

  31. “…vast quantities of indisputably serious, relevant, compelling work.” Vast quantities, I can believe. But when someone insists that something is indisputable, it usually turns out to be the opposite. Upon further review, it is something widely disputed that the writer does not have a locktight argument for. Thus, he calls it “indisputable” as a rhetorical tactic, a bit of intimidation.

  32. Mike K.: “We used to say that Geology majors had two career choices, oil companies or Geology professorships.”

    In my day (1950-54) it was mining companies, oil companies, or becoming a professor. Today most geology students at my alma mater are studying glaciology, coral reefs, ocean levels, endangered species, and other such areas important to the AGW agenda. I see none that are aiming for work in the oil or mining industries. NOAA and the USGS seem to be their destinations. I quit donating money to them some years ago. Sad.

  33. Snow on Pine on December 6, 2018 at 10:48 am at 10:48 am said:
    Attended a series of lectures on defeated Nazi Germany in the aftermath of WWII, and what was happening, particularly in Berlin, as the Allies took over, the city was divided and, first, the Wall went up and, then, the Wall fell.

    While the main focus was on the Berlin Airlift, the final lecture shifted to focus on what was happening to actual people, on the ground, particularly in the Soviet sector of occupied Berlin.

    * * *
    Kind of scary — but important to know.

    Art Deco & Roy: it doesn’t hurt to read the writing on the text-wall; just because it’s long, doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

    It’s a different kind of trolling from the oh-so-sincere discourses by the concern-trolls, whose intent is to change your mind (lol – this is not their best venue), rather than the vent-and-dump fussing of Artless (Artfldgr by another name?).
    (Bottom line: if you already know what he’s posting about, or aren’t interested, just scroll on down).

  34. As left-handers, we feel that the accomplishments of people of left-handedness have been ignored, indeed, suppressed, by the dexterarchy. It is undoubtedly true that American society has systematic dexterist bias. Dexterism is in America’s DNA!

    Therefore, our non-negotiable demands are that a Department of Sinister Studies be established, that the faculty be limited to persons of left-handedness, and that a separate dorm be set aside to be used only by left-handers.

    Left-Handed Lives Matter!

  35. Since when is the value of federal property ever enumerated? –ArtDeco

    All operating property is enumerated. Heritage property is not. Which do you recommend we cash out on, Yosemite or the White House?

  36. All operating property is enumerated. Heritage property is not. Which do you recommend we cash out on, Yosemite or the White House?

    We get a crude income statement from the federal government in the form of the Federal Budget and Treasury statements. Which agency is appraising assets?

  37. Artless on December 6, 2018 at 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm said:
    Liberals at University of Texas, Austin Want Masculinity Designated As Mental Illness.
    * * *

    They were already going nuts there in the seventies; now they are over-ripe and rotting.
    I think I will burn my diploma.

  38. Snow,

    “Said the Communists, teaching ideology was much more important than teaching subject matter.”

    Two thoughts.

    1. Don’t teach the subject, teach the child.

    [This implies that the knowledge of the subject-matter is less important than …?
    [On the other, pure hammering does not drive knowledge into a student’s (or pupil’s) head. You have to get him into somehow, which is the ideal interpretation of the second half of the maxim. You have to find an approach to the subject which works for him as he is at the point in question. These remarks come from my own experiences, one of which was being a graduate student T.A., trying to help undergraduates to surround beginning differential and integral calculus.]

    2. You don’t have to know it, you just have to know how to look it up.

    This lovely idea was oft-repeated on campus during the early ’70s if not before. It was said that one or more profs on one or campuses had come up with this maxim. Even in my wet-behind-the-ears state at the time I filed it under “pure B.S.

    . . .

    art(-fl, -ful, or -here, as in this case),

    You’ve got so much there that I haven’t even gotten through all of it yet. But thanks very much for your info. John Taylor Gaddis I am definitely aware of, but not of the book you cite (“For Dummies”), which I go to track down on eBay forthwith. Also, I never paid too much attention to Isaiah Berlin (being at the libertarianish end of the “conservative” spectrum), but my interest is definitely aroused from your statement of his tracing of pernicious doctrines that you quote above. Rousseau-Fichte-Hegel isn’t entirely new to me, but bringing in Helvetius and Maistre is news. Particularly as there is a Carlyle-Maistre-ist on a couple of boards I sometimes visit.

    Anyway, good stuff. Thanks.

  39. Dammit, Edit missing tonight. Re hammering into a child’s head:

    S/B “You have to get him into it somehow.”

  40. That doesn’t mean it should be banned.

    Again: it has not been banned.

    The degree is not recognized as officially granted by the Hungarian government, but nothing prevents you from teaching a Cambridge degree in Gender Studies in Hungary, for example.

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