Less than a third of Americans approve of the AHCA (Trumpcare, that is)
Sounds bad, doesn’t it?
Then again, considering the fevered coverage of Trumpcare, it’s amazing that anyone approves of it at all.
But if you take a look at what the HuffPost/YouGov poll is actually saying, the headline about “less than a third” is true but misleading. Thirty-one percent of respondents were in favor, 44% against, and 25% percent say they don’t know enough yet.
25% is an awful lot of “don’t know enough yet,” but I think that it should actually be 100% in that last category, if people were being honest. How many people know anything about it but the headlines? That would probably be close to 100%, too.
But I cannot tell you how ver many people I’ve heard in the last week or so making casual derogatory contemptuous remarks about the bill. Clearly, the MSM propaganda has made its mark. But the proof of the AHCA pudding—as it was with Obamacare—will be in its actual effects on people’s lives, if and when the GOP ever does manage to pass and implement a final bill.
And then…we’ll see.
“Be vengeful … to every so-called man and woman who voted for this act … we know your names … we will destroy your careers … we will take comfort that you are burning in Hell” Typical Liberal Commentator
DNW, 5:33 pm — So, a liberal/leftie who actually accepts the notion of capital-H Hell. Not all that many of ’em, y’know . . .
Bbbbut, the pussy grabber has made rape a pre-existing condition. Plus, millions will die because meany republicans. Why do they hate everyone except old white males?
This is the same old same old from the left. You have to be really thick headed to fall for this propaganda.
You’re right that most people don’t know enough. At this point there is so much to “know” about this whole tedious clump of crap that nobody can know it…. not the Obama nor the new version. It’s all just a big mud pie without the crust and the consistency of clay.
“You have to be really thick headed to fall for this propaganda.”
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the vast millions of really ignorant Democrats who are happy to be stupid because it makes them into really nice good people.
When the Democrats and the media collude to deceive the American public I am always on the other side.
I don’t even care if I’m wrong and they’re right. The collusion intends to rob us of our democracy (even as the effort is destined to fail due to the democratization of the news alongside of the rise of the internet). If you don’t stand against that you aren’t a patriot.
vanderleun Says:
May 8th, 2017 at 7:10 pm
“You have to be really thick headed to fall for this propaganda.”
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the vast millions of really ignorant Democrats who are happy to be stupid because it makes them into really nice good people.
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I started a Google search with “Obamacare author” and this was the auto-completion and first wave of citations:
obamacare author calls voters stupid
I’m sure most of you recall the brouhaha.
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass
“An architect of the federal healthcare law said last year that a “lack of transparency” and the “stupidity of the American voter” helped Congress approve ObamaCare.
In a clip unearthed Sunday, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass.”
Humans are easy to fool. Lucifer loves Demoncrats.
Every few days, there is some news story about a Congressman having a public meeting, and then more often or not, getting heckled, or yelled at, or having demonstrators show up outside. It gets discouraging to see bad manners like that, and to see demands being made that can’t ever be satisfied (due to the nature of the world, but good luck trying to convince someone of that).
Maybe we need to be able to distinguish between several different things: one’s personal health; then health problems; then health care or treatment; then health insurance (but as one of several possible ways to pay for such treatment).
This will go on, as there is no one good way to deal with so many complex issues. The best an individual can do is to take good care of himself, and to be well-prepared, in light of personal circumstances.
He believes because he dwells on its doorstep now. It’s called Gulag Keith Olbermann.
The problem is he wants to drag everyone else along him …
By the way, in reading up on Olbermann before diagnosing him with borderline personality disorder – which I am not professionally entitled to do LOL – I discovered that he was raised a Unitarian.
As near as I can figure out, Unitarianism [Congregationalism without God] is a religion for people who don’t believe in God, or in objective morality, but who like to get together in church-like buildings and preach mutual obligations anyway.
Or something like that.
If you follow the link to the Keith Olbermann rant, you will get a good taste of the illogic and emotionalism that underlies the screamers’ positions in general. It’s summed up as “You belong to me, because I need you to”
They have somehow convinced themselves that that because you exist and they exist, you are their property in the name of feelings and humanity.
Not only are you morally obligated to sacrifice to the cost of your own development or advancement [as most of us are happy to affirm] for the widow and the orphan, the elderly, the maimed war vet, the farmer injured in the field, and the disabled workman, all who are victims of external circumstances – but [as most do not affirm] for and to enable every snotty, manipulative, entitled asswipe who does in fact constitute active moral enemy to whom you are simply handing a bullet.
Imagine for a moment, saving Keith Olbermann’s life. You might as well just put a loaded gun to your own head and pull the trigger.
If anything in the world demonstrates the validity of the concept of moral hazard, and the limits of human solidarity, it’s a three minute encounter with that deranged son of a bitch.
He is the concrete, indubitable, shrieking instance that rebuts the soundness of the categorical proposition that “All men are [in fact] worthy of your concern.” And thus also the legally wrought social and political burdens that are designed to mandate such transfers of life energies and efforts.
If you do not believe that some people are not worth saving, just take a look at Keith Olbermann.
I think there are a couple of explanations. First, the ACA didn’t affect most Americans– those that have employee sponsored health insurance. Most of the rest gained coverage through Medicaid expansion. Only a small percentage of people purchasing on the exchanges, paying the un-subsidized rates have been devastated by the bill. I think that’s why the change in attitude toward Obamacare in the last 6 years.
The second reason is no one is talking about what the ACA costs. But then no one is talking about what Medicare or Medicaid costs and as long as we keep raising our credit limit on the national charge card, they probably won’t.
Normally the MSM would be all over this explaining how the Republicans reckless spending was driving the country in debt– but since their beloved ACA is now one of the institutional components of the deficit, it’s still crickets about the budget– unless it’s about tax cuts for the rich or more military spending while throwing granny over the cliff.
Sure, about 7 and a half million have been financially raped and thrown on the bonfire to fuel the comfort and warmth of some 10 million of others.
And, those millions of others, already feeling entitled and collective responsibility minded, just don’t care. They are taking from small businessmen and people who they don’t like anyway.
And that is their version of morality and social justice.
NYT:
The problem of course is that too many people are not employees of large corporations. If everyone were in what was classically called a master-servant relationship either directing or doing what one was told, then there would be a place for everyone and everyone would be in his place: just like the peasant trash likes it. O-Bam-a ummm ummm.
” … no one is talking about what Medicare or Medicaid costs and as long as we keep raising our credit limit on the national charge card, they probably won’t.
Normally the MSM would be all over this explaining how the Republicans reckless spending was driving the country in debt— but since their beloved ACA is now one of the institutional components of the deficit, it’s still crickets about the budget— unless it’s about tax cuts for the rich or more military spending while throwing granny over the cliff.”
They don’t care. As long as you have some blood left and an exposed neck … all is well in their world
Just lkke there was no way to know ahead of time that Venezuelan socialism would destroy their economy. I mean, it’s not like any larger soviet socialist republic with a much greater population, more diverse resources, and at least as much oil ever suffered as a direct result of socialist policies.
“First, the ACA didn’t affect most Americans— those that have employee sponsored health insurance.”
Technically, ACA did affect employees with traditional employer-subsidized insurance. Since the advent of Obamacare, my deductibles have gone up, networks shrunk and percent coverage – if you ever do meet the deductible, which most people won’t, in most years – is down significantly from the “bad” old days.
My fancy insurance, subsidized in the four or even five digits by my employer, is so useless that I tried urgent care the last occasion that I need medical attention to see if it might be cheaper than the doctor’s office visit that I would be 100% out-of-pocket for anyway. While my insurance is still useful for dental, vision and prescriptions, I haven’t had one penny of medical services covered by insurance since the whole Obamacare disaster started.
Kyndll G, interesting.
My premiums haven’t increased more than inflation and deductibles are the same since Obamacare was passed. I think the co-pay increased slightly.
I was surprised, based on the dire warnings from opponents of Obamacare.
That doesn’t mean I’m not sympathetic to the plight of others that have been affected.
I think making the HSA coupled with catastrophic insurance is a pretty good solution for most young, lower to middle class families.
But I’m also sympathetic to those with pre-existing conditions that found buying insurance nearly impossible, or those that reached their lifetime limits.
Reducing premiums with realistic deductibles has to be a priority, but creating some sort of affordable, subsidized pool for those with pre-existing conditions would also be my goal. Hopefully the GOP will end up with a solution that balances those two competing interests.
He is the concrete, indubitable, shrieking instance that rebuts the soundness of the categorical proposition that “All men are [in fact] worthy of your concern.” And thus also the legally wrought social and political burdens that are designed to mandate such transfers of life energies and efforts.
It is written in the scriptures and by the hand of the prophets that humanity was disowned from the line of Adam and from Jehovah. It’s not a new concept. And no, everyone will not be saved. Some angels are still locked up for transgressions.
@Neo – Not sure where my prior post went here. It seemed to post correctly – unlike other glitches. Oh, well.
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Point I made was pre-existing conditions may well be covered, but that may not translate into being affordably so.
Again, if we are not driving to a close to free market solution, then we are probably considering the politics of it.
Presumably, many (most?) of trump supporters don’t mind big government intervention (see prior discussion elsewhere on Medicare), especially those dem regulars who swung to trump in the mid-west.
Considering their demographic, it seems likely they have the most concern on the question of pre-existing conditions and affordability.
Came across this report that does a nice job of laying it out in a relatively understandable format for most folks…
http://kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/how-affordable-care-act-repeal-and-replace-plans-might-shift-health-insurance-tax-credits/
Now, I don’t claim to know that these are accurate numbers, but haven’t seen others (don’t have the time to thoroughly research this), at least, none that have “better” credibility.
Check out table 2 and figures 1-4.
The demographic, those in lower income brackets, especially those 60+ (and probably 50+ have similar effect, but they don’t break this out), may well be p*ssed if the numbers have any accuracy.