What do birthers want?
Memo to Governor Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii: many of the folks who would like Obama to produce his Hawaiian long form birth certificate don’t actually think he was born abroad. They just would like him to properly document the fact that he was born here, since his father was a foreign non-citizen and there are rumors that the baby was born elsewhere, and the most official and complete document—the long form—has never been released.
They also believe that proper proof of Hawaiian birth does not consist of the assertion by Governor Abercrombie that he knew Obama’s parents personally and saw them take the baby to social events in Hawaii.
Many (perhaps even most?) of so-called “birthers” are more like “proofers.” They would merely like the long form certificate to be released and the whole controversy put to rest. Abercrombie may believe he’s foiling them by offering to release it, but he would actually be fulfilling their request.
Plenty of people critical of the birthers/proofers contend that they’re racist, demanding of Obama what they would never demand of someone who isn’t black. But there’s nothing particularly unique here. Similar issues were raised regarding John McCain in 2008, and not many people raised a fuss about it. The issue for McCain was slightly different, since both his parents were indisputably American citizens; the question was whether his birth while his father was serving in the military in the Panama Canal Zone qualified him as a “natural-born citizen.”
What’s more, there were quite a few predecessors in controversy, all of them white:
The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state…[The question] also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell P. Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.
[NOTE: Is Abercrombie claiming to have been Stanley Dunham Obama’s labor coach here?:
Maybe I’m the only one in the country that could look you right in the eye right now and tell you, ‘I was here when that baby was born.’ “
I would guess what he really means is that he was in Hawaii when the baby was born, rather than the delivery room.]
That wasn’t the issue that raised the specter of Arthur’s ineligibility. Arthur’s father was not a citizen at the time of Chester’s birth. The issue was that Chester’s father not being a citizen at the time of his birth did not make him natural-born, which is the issue I have with Obama as a so-called ‘birther’.
The definition of natural-born has never been codified or clarified. It is my understanding the original writers of the Constitution did not want dual loyalties to hinder or affect the decision making process of a president of the United States, hence they wanted the president to be born on US soil of two parents who were citizens. Why else would the phrase ‘natural-norn’ be used as a requirement for only two jobs? This is my issue with Obama’s eligibility, so the birth certificate, in that case, is irrelevent. To me, the issue of Obama providing his birth certificate is that anyone else seeking a job in the US must provide proof of citizenship (or green card, etc.). Why should we take anyone’s word, on faith, that such is the case when it comes to our highest and most powerful job? We are a Nation of Laws, and no man is supposed to be above the law.
I’ve never felt comfortable with this birther issue. I get the sneaking feeling it was simply a set up from the beginning to at some point provide a gotcha moment to paint all opposition to Obama as whacky conspirators. Which the media will then spin to discredit all criticism ever of Obama as obviously made by the same whackos.
Good point, SteveH. I’ve thought the same exact thing as an alternative to my main thought which is more radical than Obama was born in Kenya. I think Obama is the son of the supposed grandfather and some unknown black lady. This theory is set forth by the noted researcher on the issue, Jack Cashill.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/another_look_at_obamas_origins.html
On still another note, no-one should be CIC if their father is from another country. Too much of a loyalty question.
I would consider a C-in-C of foreign parents (I differ from the Constitution). A candidate who refuses to reveal and/or obfuscates the facts of his birth is not trustworthy.
When loyalty is a question, I want someone with a proven, provable biography of knowing and supporting the culture and the country. Show me evidence of a lifelong allegiance.
It is similarly troubling that the current President has no record of religion and faith. History and experience make character. Barry may have been born in Hawai’i, but he is not a natural American. He is a fabrication.
To me it is an entire pattern of deception, no college grades, SAT scores etc, no childhood or teenage friends, you would think they would come out of the woodwork, the birth certificate is just one small part of it for me.
Remember when George W. Bush (or perhaps I should say, his presidential campaign) was relentlessly cross-examined by our wonderful news media as to irrefutable ^proof^ of his whereabouts this one weekend when he was a member of the National Guard and allegedly A.W.O.L.?
Just musin’ . . .
[Dubya was a white dude, wasn’t he?]
I think Obama won’t release the birth certificate for one of two reasons: either his father was just some unknown black man, not Dr. Obama or he just doesn’t want to give white people the satisfaction of making him do what he doesn’t want to.
What Darrell said about the lack of other information about his background -other than his book.
I see him as being born in Hawaii, but suspect there is some information on the birth certificate that is being withheld for unknown reasons.
Oh, so we’re trading apocrypha now? Well, then I knew Obama’s parents personally too, and I saw them at Communist Party cell meetings in Moscow, right after hitting the mosque.
Sheesh.
The truth will out.
I think Obama was born in Hawaii, but won’t release his birth certificate because it contains something embarrassing, perhaps politically fatal.
But I think the larger issue is that no one be above the law, not even the Messiah. Forcing him to release the birth certificate, or in the alternative admit it doesn’t exist, would go a long way toward reinforcing the rule of law. For too long the political class has increasingly viewed itself as above us peasants. It’s about time they learned otherwise.
Good point OB, it also sets a dangerous precedent for future candidates, they wont have to produce proof of anything.
“”I see him as being born in Hawaii, but suspect there is some information on the birth certificate that is being withheld for unknown reasons.””
Gringo
What are the possibilities?
1. His real name was Mohammed Mohammed Mohammed.
2. His middle name was Manchurian.
3. Sex was unknown.
3. He and Hugo Chavez had the same baby daddy.
4. His address listed was that of the only mosque in Hawaii.
It may simply be that he didn’t release his records initially because he didn’t feel like it, or didn’t feel he needed to. (Rules for other people famously do not apply to him — and this isn’t even a rule, more a never-tested expectation. I don’t believe we’ve ever before had a candidate for President who insisted he was American-born, and when asked for proof, told us to take it on faith.)
Then, having made it clear that he didn’t want to release any of his records, he may have maintained that line simply out of stubbornness. (His record for doubling down on a bad bet is also well known.)
We’ll see. His birth certificate exists somewhere; I can’t believe that all copies of it have been destroyed. And in that case, there must be some people who have seen it, and the Obama team can’t silence them all. So sooner or later, someone will no doubt come forward.
It may be a moot point if he chooses not to run for re-election… but if he does, I believe there are now several states that have refused to put him on the ballot until this issue is settled.
History will not be kind to us. It will record that we elected a President with no experience, no bona fides, and no character witnesses to speak of — and it will openly wonder what on Earth we were thinking. (“Well”, we’ll say, “this came immediately after a very unpopular President, and America didn’t want to elect someone from the same party.” This excuse will get the ridicule it deserves.)
respectfully,
Daniel in Brookline
I’d be more interested in his school records, but since we’re in this neck of the woods I’ve wondered if his real father wasn’t Frank Marshall Davis.
Suppose it turns out he’s not eligible.
All those sneering at the birthers will say…what?
That birth doesn’t matter, anyway.
his SS registration is also funky…
[his failing to actually register would also bar him]
if i show a colb to get a loan, license, etc…
they would turn me down…
also, everyone old enough to remember times back then is also old enough to remember the GAMES people payed to get citizenship, or make it ambiguous so that a person could have several. it was HARD to move around the world compared to today.
meanwhile… all this has bigger ramifications.
like any treaty that he signs we may follow but the other state may claim he was ineligible to sign!!!
that is, go ahead, sign start… only the US will follow it as the russians will claim he isnt valid… the longer its in limbo, the easier it is for them to make false documents (or get real ones) that then will establish this…
any treaty they dont want to follow they dont have to.
and if any one here said they did, they can say he isn’t valid. and if they say he is… they will just point out all the missing and unacceptable parts that we today are being made fools of to prevent digging.
and didnt you notice that they left it alone for a while then picked it up again? why? because now, they are completely confusing the issue and generating the history that people will remember.
that it was tin hatters… conspiracy theorists..
which was the point of social engineering ‘conspiracy theory’ as a social negative to hide conspiracies… to make them seem abnormal when lots of dealings are conspiratorial between people and unannounced to the world.
What was Molotov Ribbentrop?
What was Yalta?
What was Kennedy and Giancarlo?
what was Watergate?
the Nixon tapes?
Alger hiss?
Fronts?
once they made social freedom and communism synonymous, then Neil Abercrombie and his ilk would seem to be those working towards social freedom under state slavery… (communism).
read his history… what a pip..
Even the moonbats at MSNBC are saying “release the document”. So why wouldn’t he? The common answer, “he’s too busy with more important issues” doesn’t cut it. As President all he need do is lift an eye brow and an aid would do the rest.
The real reason: it is in his political favor to label those who either won’t believe, and those who just honestly want proof into one group of nutcases.
this should work.
SteveH to Gringo:
“What are the possibilities?” [of information on the birth certificate being withheld]
Most likely illegitimate birth, though these days, I don’t see why that would be that big a deal.
I find the coincidences/ connections regarding Obama, Frank Marshall Davis and Chicago to be uncanny. FM Davis works in Chicago w Valerie Jarrett’s future father-in-law on various leftist/commie projects. Goes to Hawaii. Obama ends up in Chicago, associate of Jarrett. (not to mention Billy Boy and Bernie, even more interesting conicidences.). While I consider it a possibility that Frank Marshall Davis is actually the father, I doubt this information would be on the birth certificate.
I would consider your hypothesis on the birth certificate issue to be plausible.
I find the coincidences/ connections regarding Obama, Frank Marshall Davis and Chicago to be uncanny. FM Davis works in Chicago w Valerie Jarrett’s future father-in-law on various leftist/commie projects. Goes to Hawaii. Obama ends up in Chicago, associate of Jarrett. (not to mention Billy Boy and Bernie, even more interesting conicidences.).
Also Obama goes to Occidental, a Red hotbed of longstanding, then for some obscure reason goes to Columbia (ditto), where he doesn’t meet Ayers, although they lived a few blocks apart and worked on the same anti-apartheid campaign, and Ayers was a Red celebrity at that point. Then Obama moves to Chicago, where as luck would have it he is a neighbor of Ayers yet again, marries an associate of Ayers’ wife, is recruited by Ayers to serve on a board distributing/ pissing up $100 MM (to no discernible effect), launches his political career in Ayers’ living room, and leaves his kids to be babysat at chez Ayers. Good thing he didn’t know Ayers; the mind boggles at what would have happened had he had.
I’m skeptical of coincidences, but even if I weren’t, there are way too many. Way, way, way too many.
Either Obama and Ayers are lovers, or they’re comrades. There’s no third choice.
Put it this way: how many out and proud communists have any of us known, personally? How many terrorists? Yet Obama’s entire history is SRO with ’em. That’s not a coincidence.
Artfldgr: Your definition of pip, please?
My understanding is that the fact that he was born in Hawaii is not the real issue. It is his actual date of birth, as depending upon that, his birth in Hawaii may not have made him a naturalized citizen according to the laws that were in effect during the time. It has to do with the age of his mother at the time of his birth and how long she had resided in Hawaii.
Don’t forget the dual citizenship issue as well. He was adopted by his Indonesian father – Sotero. According to what I’ve read, if you assume he was a legitimate natural born citizen prior to that, his status wouldn’t be affected by his parent’s actions, as long as he didn’t make use of that Indonesian citizenship after he reached his majority. Problem is – what passport did he use to travel to Pakistan in ’81? If he used an Indonesian passport, then he effectively _is_ a dual citizen, and hence does not qualify. By the way… I’ve read that the guy who didn’t know about the bombers arrested in England (can’t remember his name) just happened to be the owner of the company whose employees were prosecuted for accessing O’s passport files. Don’t know if that’s accurate.
However…Indonesia has a one month visa duration limit, and O spent at least 3 months there to write his autobiography. Sure makes you go “Hmmmmm…”.
My big question is: Just _suppose_ that the new Republican House decides to look into the matter, and determines that for whatever reason, O was not eligible to be president. What happens then? What would be the fall-out??
I’ve asked that question many places – never had an answer. Anybody????
As a never-married mother, I have long suspected that Obama’s mother might not have been married when Barack was born, and that perhaps this is why the Prez doesn’t want the long form birth certificate released. But this is the 21st century, for crying out loud, and I seriously doubt such knowledge would have dissuaded anyone from voting for him. Even those who think such a situation is scandalous would have to conceded that the child wasn’t he one who engaged in the supposedly improper behavior.
I don’t actually doubt that he was born in Hawaii, nor do I think it would matter if he (or any other president) were born outside the country to at least one American citizen parent, which would confer citizenship. The constitution is conspicuous in its failure to define what “natural-born citizen” means, but it seems that for everyone except a potential President, it is widely accepted as meaning someone who is born a citizen, either by virtue of being born in the United States or being born to at least one citizen parent, or both. So by that definition, the exact location of McCain’s birth shouldn’t have mattered, either.
Apparently I was temporarily possessed by some illiterate boob when typing that comment, so I’ll try again with the offending sentence:
Even those who think such a situation is scandalous would have to concede that the child wasn’t the one who engaged in the supposedly improper behavior.
There, I feel better. And my 6th grade teacher, Sister Mary Ethel, SND, is no longer turning over in her grave.
My understanding is that the fact that he was born in Hawaii is not the real issue. It is his actual date of birth
Hadn’t heard about the date issue, but it puts another dynamic in play.
Given a birthdate of Aug. 4, 1961, and assuming the usual nine month gestation period, young Stanley was only legal by about a week at the time of conception, which in itself is remarkable.
If Junior was born any earlier, and wasn’t premature, then dear old Dad committed statutory rape when he was teaching Stanley horizontal Kenyan folk dancing.
Illegitimacy isn’t such a big deal nowadays (thanks, Hollywood!), and IIRC 72% of American blacks are currently born illegitimately (thanks, liberals!). But statutory rape is still deprecated. A bit. For now.
No opprobrium attaches (nor should it attach) to the issue (i.e., product) of a statutory rape, of course, but it would cut that “Dreams from My Father” crap off at the knees, and vitiate all of Ayers’ hard work.
My big question is: Just _suppose_ that the new Republican House decides to look into the matter, and determines that for whatever reason, O was not eligible to be president. What happens then? What would be the fall-out??
I’ve asked that question many places – never had an answer. Anybody????
Depends on Barry’s popularity, and thus is a function of when this happens. But if it were to happen while Barry’s still retained significant popularity, I fear it would lead to something approximating civil war. Never mind the legal minutiae of the status of legislation Barry signed.
>>Never mind the legal minutiae of the status of legislation Barry signed.>>
This is the minutiae that I wonder about.
Race war??? yeah…that too. Not really worried about civil war with the Libs – too few can bring themselves to touch guns.
That’s assuming the leftists would fight fair. They wouldn’t. It’d be sneaky terrorist rubbish 24/7. Ayers might come out of retirement, or at least give the comrades some tips, if they didn’t explicitly ally themselves with Muslim terrorists.
I’m with Chris Rock in marveling at blacks who threaten race war. Perhaps TV has given them a mistaken impression of their numbers; they’re only roughly 12% of the population, mostly concentrated in particular districts of cities, and of course easily recognizable. Under the circumstances, making nice would be a good idea.
Put it this way: how many out and proud communists have any of us known, personally?
I have known many proud communists…
and ex-communists…
and even some who were looking for people…
pip
(1) A pain in the ass.
(2) A real character.
(3) Someone who tends to be difficult, but still like able.
Sunday, September 19, 2010 / Neil Abercrombie 2009: A year of corruption
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1399/Neil-Abercrombie-2009-A-year-of-corruption.aspx
the rest of the page is a list of links to articles…
a real pip…
see also: Democratic Socialists of America (D.S.A.) and New Party
Lou Pardo
s Quentin Young
Timuel Black
Congressman Danny K. Davis
Cornel West (check out his nickelodeon interview for kids!)
Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf
David Bonior
Hilda Solis
Barbara Ehrenrich (daughter of DSA leader)
Rosa Brooks
D.S.A. Political Action Committee endorsed two Congressional candidates
“DSAer” Democrat Neil Abercrombie
Independent Bernie Sanders
see “Democratic Left” (DSA magazine) Dec 1990
Democratic Left Winter 2007:
he also was a member of Congressional Progressive Caucus
and check out George (Skip) Roberts (aide to Abercrombie), the representative of DSA to the Socialist International
Roberts is now active in the Republican party representing Andy Stern (SEIU, etc….)
Abercrombie’s wife Nancie Caraway, an academic, noted for her far left views, has also been a D.S.A. member.
Ehrenreich founded Progressives for Obama , with D.S.A. comrades Bill Fletcher, Jr. and Tim Carpenter
at Obama’s request: Dr. Caraway currently serves as a consultant to U.S. Ambassador Luis C. de Baca in the Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons
Bernie Sanders addressed the U.S. Peace Council in November 1989… this is a CPUSA controlled organization and had soviet affiliations… speaking with Manning Marabl and Holly Sklar…
and involved with all these others is Kurt Stand
who is he?
well he is now serving time for spying for the soviet union and east Germany…
http://www.keywiki.org/index.php/Kurt_Stand
where he will be appointed ambassador… or something by obama…
Socialist Scholars Conference
Elaine Bernard; Arthur Lipow, Michael Harrington Center; Kurt Stand, Democratic Socialists of America and Judy Page, New Party were speakers on the Towards a New Party panel sponsored by the Democratic Socialists of America at the Tenth Annual Socialist Scholars Conference. The conference was held April 24-26, 1992 at the Borough of Manhattan Community College, New York City.
President Obama and the Radical Socialist Agenda
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/president_obama_and_the_radica.html
i sure hope neo doesnt delete this!!!!
go to the wiki and read the part on Kurts support of Obama…
Espionage career
of course i am still trying to get others to read the history… even here where interested, people wont.
if people took the time to actually follow the history, so all of us would be on the same page, we still wouldnt be arguing an iota of whether or not something is something!!!!!
there are so many names and organizations above, that if one just picked one and followed it out and noted stuff, you would see that thee organizations are as linked up as they were in the early 30s…
(actually MORE so)
i just looked up the students progressive forum
talkingunion.wordpress.com/2008/09/26/progressive-forum-sacramento-oct9/
Join DSA and our allies for a dialogue on current issues facing the progressive movements and their allies in our region. The Progressive Forum seeks to bring together scholars, students, social justice and union activists, and policy makers to nurture a new kind of conversation from within the campus and the social movements.
communists, fabians, socialists, marxists, anarchists, racialists, social justice, etc..
and yet, you cant get a common person to even entertain the idea that these are mostly all fronts..
now you know what i mean by PIP…
its a sarcastic aside which basically allows me to comment, and i dont have to explain all this stuff, which will end up deleted anyway..
and will inspire none to follow their own threads…
more fun guessing…
just like the german people, who were confused and so did NOT act… if they were clear as to what things were, and where they lead, they would NOT have behaved the same.
what is a nation?
a set of communal beliefs, and behaviors under a name…
change our beliefs, our actions, and history
and we become something else, thinking none of it matters, as we feel the same…
Thank you, Art. Very nice.
I’m planning on reading your last post at break.
Thanks for this most useful information, Artfldgr.
i sure hope neo doesnt delete this!!!!
It would be more polite IMHO to provide links. Or start your own blog 😉
Artfldgr, doing the work at neo-neo con that journalists won’t do at the alphabet networks.
I had always wondered how Obama ended up in Chicago after growing up in Hawaii/Indonesia, then attending Occidental in California and Columbia in NYC. Then I read the connection between Frank Marshall Davis and Chicago/Hawaii and the Jarretts (Davis/Chicago). Now a Jarrett is Obama’s top advisor. Then there was Ayres attending a different college in NYC while Barry went to Columbia, living a few blocks away (but probably travelling in the same circles), then launching his first campaign in Ayers’ living room and working on the board of the Annenberg Project with Ayers, which makes another Chicago connection.
Obama’s history is there to see, if one bothers to read/dig it up. Or one can read Artfldgr’s posts and do a little searching of the groups and organizations in his posts. Too many do not comprehend that there really are commies in the White House, with the President leading the (Internationale) way.
For some juicy conspiracy theories about Obama’s origins, go to this American Thinker article.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/another_look_at_obamas_origins.html
Here’s a good explanation for Obama burying his birth certificate behind a phalanx of lawyers: Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham, is really Obama’s father, after a coupling with a black prostitute in Hawaii, meeting her in one of the black bars he and Davis frequented. Barack, Sr., was a beard for Gramps, probably paid to put his name to the baby which, for a muslim polygamist/communist, wouldn’t be an issue at all. Also explains how Barack, Sr., could just move off to Harvard and give no more thought to baby Barack, or ever see him again. Having his daughter claim to be the mother would also explain how easily she shipped young Barry back to Hawaii to be raised by the grandparents while she remained in Indonesia with Soetoro and their child (and Barry’s supposed half-sister). Could also explain why Barry supposedly had a breakdown while at NYU: He found out the awful truth of his sordid family after Gramps told him he was his father and his mother was not his mother (with the breakdown being the theory why Barry will never release his medical records). Then Barack created the lovely fiction in ‘Dreams From My Father’ about that mythical Kenyan dad, and to admit now it was all a lie would be humiliating, and good ol’ Barry hates to be humiliated. Would also go to explaining Barry’s cold-hearted narcissism stemming from how his whole life is a lie.
For my money, Barack Hussein Obama is a case study in family relationships shaping mental illness and creating a monster (like Tiberius/Caligula). Because the anger Barry has for this country and its inherent unfairness is a good explanation for the deliberate harm he is currently causing this Nation, what with defanging us on the nuclear front with the START Treaty, while hamstringing us with generational debt as well as Cloward-Pivening the system with ObamaCare. From Iran to Honduras to Venezuala to Cambridge, Barry is on the wrong side of an issue, and against the best interests of America and her People.
I’m sure we’ll hardly ever see Barry off teleprompter ever again, as those are the moments he reveals himself, for anyone paying attention to such things.
Barry is not a Manchurian candidate, as no code word or image is needed to make him do unspeakable things. He’s fully cognizant of the damage he does, and is quite happy to do it. Revenge/social justice demands it.
>>Obama’s grandfather, Stanley Dunham, is really Obama’s father, after a coupling with a black prostitute in Hawaii>>
It has also been theorized that Frank Marshall Davis is actually his father. The funny thing is that if either is true, the eligibility question is moot – embarrassing as the facts might be.
There’s also the theory that his father self-id’ed as Arab, not black, and he’s built his life around “Black” not “Arab.” (This works well with his wife– didn’t someone show he got more racial after her?)
Does Historical Coincidence Unravel Obama’s Legitimacy?
By Marc J. Rauch
Exec. VP/Co-Publisher
THE AUTO CHANNEL
I have this nasty habit of researching things that I take an interest in; I’ve been that way forever. I think I learned more from researching topics on my own than I did from formal schooling. I read a book, see a movie, hear an abbreviated news report, and bang I’m at the family encyclopedia, at the library, nowadays online.
Well, there I was, in my kitchen slurping up some hot delicious soup and reading the tail end of a “new” Sam Spade novel written under license by a Dashiell Hammett biographer, Joe Gores. The story includes a fictional Chinese woman who claims to be the daughter of Sun Yat-sen, the real-life “father” of nationalist China. The overall Spade story takes place in San Francisco in the period between the end of WWI and the start of the Depression — it’s meant as a prequel to the Sam Spade “Maltese Falcon” novel.
I’m a bit rusty on my Sun Yat-sen legacy, so to brush up on his background and chronology of events I googled “Sun Yat-sen.” At the top of the Wikipedia page, and again in a section titled “Early Years,” Sun’s birth date and then birth place is listed as November 12, 1866 in Guangdong province (16 miles north of Macau), in the Empire of the Great Qing of China.
Sun Yat-sen’s history goes on to relate how “after receiving a few years of local school, at age thirteen, Sun went to live with his elder brother, Sun Mei, in Honolulu. Sun Mei, who was fifteen years Sun Yat-sen’s senior, had emigrated to the Hawaiian Islands as a laborer and had become a prosperous merchant.” According to the listed birth date the year that Sun Yat-sen went to Hawaii was 1879.
Everything jives with the new Spade novel; Joe Gores did his homework.
A bit more reading about Sun reveals that he eventually graduated from a small Hawaiian college and then returned to his native land, China. It’s at this point that Sun Yat-sen’s history took on a dramatic story twist, a twist that has absolutely nothing to do with Sam Spade, but it may be the key to solving a mystery story of its own – a story that has been simmering at the top of our national news ever since Barak Hussein Obama’s name began being bandied about as a presidential candidate.
It seems that around the turn of the century — the old one — 1900 or 1901, Sun Yat-sen returned to Hawaii. It was at this time in his life that Sun was involved in politics and trying to free China from it’s dictatorial monarchy. In 1904, Sun obtained a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth,” issued by the Territory of Hawaii, stating he was born on November 24, 1870 in Kula, Maui. (See the Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat_Sen#cite_note-11)
The discrepancy of birthdates didn’t startle me, but the significance of the document’s meaning did.
It has been said that Barak Obama, current president of the United States of America was not born in Hawaii or anywhere in America, as claimed by him and his supporters; thereby invalidating him to run for and hold the office of the President of the United States. For some peculiar reason, while a candidate for president must produce income tax records, he or she is not required to produce a genuine birth certificate.
Obama himself doesn’t respond to the issue, which could be answered by simply providing a legally acceptable copy of a genuine birth certificate. Instead, what has been circulated is something that is called a “Certificate of Live Birth” from the State of Hawaii. It sort of sounds the same, but even the State of Hawaii doesn’t say that a “Certificate of Live Birth” is just the name for the document that is otherwise known as a “Birth Certificate.” There is a distinctive difference. (Sun Yat-sen’s certificate of live birth can be found online at http://www.scribd.com/doc/9830547/Sun-Yatsen-Certification-of-Live-Birth-in-Hawaii )
Some argue that proof of Obama’s Hawaiian birth can be found in the birth announcements of local Hawaiian newspapers. But, birth, death, and marriage announcements can be phoned in or submitted by mail. In today’s identity-theft, security-conscious world it may require some institutional or quasi-governmental documentation to get one of these announcements published, but at the (alleged) time of Obama’s birth America and Hawaii was a very different place. Newborns were not immediately assigned social-security numbers and I have the feeling that finger and sole prints were not regularly being taken.
So there are three, no four, conclusions that I draw from this research:
1) It’s a complete and utter coincidence that Hawaii issued Certificates of Live Birth to these two politicians.
2) Every one hundred years or so Hawaii issues a “fake” birth document to someone that they would like to call a native son.
3) Sun Yat-sen is really a native-born Hawaiian of Chinese ancestry, who returned to his ancestors’ homeland to fight for its freedom — something that all American-born Chinese can proudly salute.
4) You know, wink-wink, nudge-nudge.
Other resources corroborate Sun’s birth date and place as 1866 in China. See, http://www.notablebiographies.com/St-Tr/Sun-Yat-Sen.html for example.
There’s one other strange but apparently true coincidence to this entire affair. Joe Gores, writer of the Sam Spade prequel, “Spade & Archer,” who has worked in his life as a private investigator, a repo-man, a truck driver, a logger, motel assistant manager, and of course journalist, also worked as an English teacher in Kenya, Africa, perhaps around the time of Barak Obama’s birth — You know, Kenya, the country where Barak Obama’s father was born and citizen of. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Gores)