The archaic FBI: why it neither tapes nor transcribes interviews [see UPDATE]
[See UPDATE below.]
To most people (and I include myself) the news that the FBI neither taped nor even transcribed its interview with Hillary Clinton is quite shocking. Nor was she under oath, although that’s not as important since it’s already a crime to lie to the FBI.
But if it’s a crime to lie to the FBI, how would that get proven? Especially when you learn that the FBI almost never tapes or even transcribes such interviews except in a few extraordinary circumstances. I maintain that their interview with the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party about possible crimes she committed ought to have qualified as an extraordinary circumstance (let’s hope it’s not a trend). But apparently the FBI disagreed.
Here’s the way the FBI usually operates (from an article written five years ago):
…FBI practice limits the taping of interviews or confessions. The FBI’s insistence on using analog technology in a digital age has long stirred controversy in courtrooms across the country…
FBI procedure calls for agents to take notes during interviews and use them as the basis for a typewritten summary report, called a form 302. These 302s become exhibits at trial. Along with an agent’s own testimony, they serve as the primary record of an interviewee’s statement.
Because the substance of the reports is so important — and because the reports are inherently subjective — defense lawyers often seek to pick them apart. putting the agent on the defensive. This is particularly the case when defendants are charged with obstruction or lying to FBI agents…
The FBI’s policy allows for statements to be recorded on a limited, highly selective basis; such recordings must have prior approval from bureau chiefs. Former agents say this is extremely rare…
Those in favor of the current FBI approach to audiotapes allege that any blanket, one-size-fits-all policy would be a logistical nightmare for the already-taxed agency. Furthermore, recordings could reveal FBI interview tactics or strategies.
I don’t really have to explain why this policy is so problematic in the Clinton case. It relies on trust of the FBI agents involved, including trust of the accuracy and completeness of their note-taking, as well as their freedom from bias. There’s no reason at this point to trust those things, I’m sorry to say. It also seems problematic in general, not just when interviewing someone a powerful as Clinton, although the stakes are higher with Clinton.
However, in the quick Googling I just did since I learned about all of this, I can’t find much more about current policy on the subject. If anyone can add to what I’ve written, feel free, and please give links.
UPDATE:
I found a more recent article (May 2014) that mentioned a new directive for recording FBI interviews with suspects:
Under a new policy announced Thursday by Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr., federal agents investigating drug and gun crimes, as well as the U.S. Marshals Service and the FBI, will videotape or audiotape suspects starting July 11. The interviews will be recorded between the arrest and first appearance in federal court.
For years, FBI agents have been criticized by defense lawyers in criminal trials for testifying about interviews based on recollections gleaned from scribbled notes.
The new directive was apparently triggered by the Tsarnaev case, where the suspect:
…was quizzed for hours by agents after his capture last year. Partly because of that process, Tsarnaev’s lawyers have asked a federal judge to throw out everything he said before the case goes to trial in November.
Eric Holder added the following at the time the new directive was announced:
“Creating an electronic record will ensure that we have an objective account of key investigations and interactions with people who are held in federal custody,” he said. “It will allow us to document that detained individuals are afforded their constitutionally protected rights.”
Equally important, he said, the new policy will be a “backstop” to ensure that federal agents have “clear and indisputable records of important statements and confessions made by individuals who have been detained.”
The reason I italicized the word “suspects” is that it is a limiting factor, and therefore I am assuming that by the time Hillary Clinton was being interviewed by the FBI she was no longer a “suspect” (if indeed she ever had been), and she certainly was not under arrest or “held in federal custody.” However, when the directive was first issued, this additional suggestion was made:
“This policy also encourages agents and prosecutors to consider electronic recording in investigative or other circumstances where the presumption does not apply,” such as in the questioning of witnesses.
So it seems they certainly might have videotaped or otherwise recorded her, but chose not to do so. There is also the possibility that Clinton had them agree to not record or otherwise transcribe her interview as a condition for her speaking to them.
[ADDENDUM: See also this.]
I guess that just about sums up the whole shebang.
Congress can fix this.
Like Hillary, the FBI does not want to even have records that a judge can demand.
I’d presume that the FBI is afraid of the Inspector Lestrade effect… there being so few Sherlock Holmes floating around.
The FBI doesn’t mind video taping stings, though.
The subjectiveness of FBI “interviews” is intentional, they seek to avoid accountability. Bureaucracy rule #2, cover your a**.
I understand that Comey testified that he did not speak to the interviewers. I don’t know if he read their notes or not. So, he may have no idea what HRC said during that 3.5 hour interview. He may have no idea if her statements were consistent. He obviously doesn’t care. If he cannot see intent in her actions, he is not looking. If he will not accept the law as written, and in this case doesn’t even require intent, he should be in another line of work.
After Sen Harkins referred to the evidence in the Clinton impeachment as a “pile of dung”, I christened him the “Dungmeister”. After today I have christened Comey “the Pretzel”. I don’t know how he could twist himself into a more convoluted shape (rhetorically).
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147045002381/the-fbi-credibility-and-government
Dilbert’s take on the controversy. ^^^^
Interesting.
Oldflyer:
He said he didn’t speak to ALL the interviewers, but from his tone of voice it sounds as though he may have spoken to some of them. He also said that he read the 302 report.
So, if I understand, a cop on the beat has to wear a vidcam 24/7 in case some defense attorney (or prosecutor) challenges his word in a case involving nothing of any existential importance other than to the perp, but the FBI doesn’t have to record an interview affecting national security and the fate of the Western World —
just want to make sure I have that straight.
A SOS conducts official business on a private, unsecure, and easily hackabled server and the discussion is abour 302 reports? More information is required, and a matter of public record, on a 4473 form to purchase a 22LR rifle.
If that is the discussion, let the discussion time travel back to April, 1912 and let comgress discuss how to rearrange a few deck chairs on the Titanic. Its like a discussion on how much hog sh*t from 500 hogs smells. It smells, discussion over. I am growing older and the older I survive I become more dangerous.
The FBI didn’t give up on revolvers until the 1980s, if I recall. Drat this new technology, like tape recorders and semi-auto pistols!
A fed asks you what day it is. It’s Tuesday. So you say Tuesday. He writes down Wednesday. Presto, you lied to a federal agent. They’ve got you.
You should go back to how the FBI tried to save itself a lot of work looking for the Atlanta bomber. Just frame the cop, Richard Jewell.
The reason they don’t record is that in court, agents’ memories usually trump the memories of defendants in the judgments of jurors. Why give up the power to make sh*t up in that case?
They are worried that recordings might give away their tactics?
What good are tactics if you aren’t getting convictions anyway?
Richard Aubrey:
I don’t know for sure (and don’t have time to look it up), but my guess is that the crime of lying to the FBI does not include lying about trivial and/or immaterial matters.
That is also the rule for perjury, although most people are not aware of that. People are not prosecuted for inconsequential lies, at least I’ve never heard of that being the case.