It is of course, entirely possible that it was the act of a deranged individual.
But given what is at stake, the possibility of a “false flag operation” cannot be dismissed.
The EU already has two of the three factors Pres. Madison warned of, “Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” Europe already has an “enslaved press” and “a disarmed populace” and now, the EU is planning to secretly create a ‘standing army’, only loyal to the EU’s unelected bureaucratic elite. http://www.express.co.uk/news/…
So put the guy on truth drugs, televise it in real time, ask him directly if he was under orders, paid to do it, instructed in what to yell out, or assisted in any way.
If he dies suddenly while in police custody, it’s a dead giveaway. All that needs to be done immediately. Won’t happen of course.
So an MP is murdered with a gun in a country that prohibits firearms. Is there a lesson here for the American left? Didn’t think so.
Its nasty the paper says “like in the US”… well, anyone remember the last time a public official of similar status was killed in the US? or wounded and how many since the country wsa founded…
and its nice that they said gun crimes are low cause of tight restrictions… which is somewhat true.. but then again, they have immigrants chopping people up with knives on streets… (i can provide links)
congress…
only 14 have been killed since the founding of the US
only 9 have been wounded
Spencer Pettis August 28, 1831 (gun)
Jonathan Cilley February 24, 1838 (gun)
John Montgomery April 24, 1857 (poisoning)
John Quitman July 17, 1858 (poisoning)
David Broderick September 13, 1859 (gun)
Edward Baker October 21, 1861 (civil war)
Cornelius Hamilton December 22, 1867 (insane son)
James Hinds October 22, 1868 (shot by KKK)
Thomas Haughey July 31, 1869 (fistfight to gun)
John Pinckney April 24, 1905 (riot to gun)
Huey Long September 8, 1935 (gun)
Robert Kennedy June 5, 1968 (gun)
Leo Ryan November 18, 1978 (jim jones shot)
Larry McDonald September 1, 1983 (plane shot down by soviet union)
thats it… the others were only wounded, with giffords being the last…
Charles Sumner (hit on head with cane)
Josiah Grinnell (hit on head with iron tipped cane)
Alvin Bentley, Clifford Davis, George Fallon Ben Jensen, Kenneth Roberts (puerto rican nationalists shot from the ladies gallery of the house of representatives)
John Stennis (shot twice)
Gabrielle Giffords (shot in head)
by FAR most of them were way way before any gun restrictions at all, including restricting machine guns, and so on…
so i dont know where the author of the article assumes that the US has people in their country attacking their higher politicians… and a good proportion of them were foreign, or terrorist groups, etc..
the number of assasinated american politicans of any stripe, not just congress is 57, and that list includes those above..
with the first in 1815
and they were not all guns, some where with canes, some wher epoisoned, some were killed over having sex and fathering a child with another mans wife or daughter, man were killed by democrat KKK, some by native americans, some were dem politician killing dem politician over who would be the person governing.. one by a police officer, several by the mafia…
given the number of guns in the US (over 300 million), the numbers of incidents are quite small, and the anti-gun people have to gin up the numbers adding suicides whose number dwarfs all the others.
number of people killed by rifles of any sort last year is between 300-400… half the number killed by knifes, and that is less than the number beaten to death by bare hands.
yes we have more, but we also have a larger population, a much larger influx of outsiders, a lot more organizations and such from other states, and some werent even in the US and so were killed in another state (like by jim jones)
oh, if you take out the cities where you have large populations of people who came from africa, the number of incidents plumets to a very very low number… on par with sweden and other places..
in the US they ALWAYS conflat the suicides as homicides to drive the number up, and they forget that in other countries, suicides sometimes take a traditional appraoch, as in japan where men will use knifes, and women will walk into the sea (and often with their kids)
In 2012, there were 8,897 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,404 of those attributed to handguns
The Centers for Disease Control reports that there were 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S. in 2010
The FBI breaks down the gun-related homicides in 2010 by weapon: 6,009 involved a handgun, 358 involved a rifle, and 1,939 involved an unspecified type of firearm
[oh, and they dont break out how many were killed by police as part of their jobs, and they often dont break out accidents]
this is out of over 300,000,000 guns in the US…
According to FBI statistics, the highest per capita rates of gun-related homicides in 2005 were in D.C. (35.4/100,000), Puerto Rico (19.6/100,000), Louisiana (9.9/100,000), and Maryland (9.9/100,000)
if the whole country was like DC… we would ahve 106,200 a year
so a few places in the US tend to blow the numbers of the whole way out of proportion… take that away, and the numbers are ridiculously low.
note that one of the higher rates was maryland, if the whole nation was like that, it would be 27,000 (and this is LOWER than the number for the nation if you include suicides!!!!!!!)
oh, and as sales have gone up and exploded, the numbers have been dropping for the past 20 years…
Physicsguy Says at 4:48 pm
“So an MP is murdered with a gun in a country that prohibits firearms. Is there a lesson here for the American left?”
In the second link there is a tweet by Gabrielle Giffords. Her tweet is ironic since her supporters have tried to convince the American people that those attacks wouldn’t happen if they just outlawed guns.
Arfldgr:
I assume they are thinking of Gaby Giffords (who weighed in today on the Jo Cox assassination), because it was so very recent and so very high-profile. Giffords was gravely wounded and barely escaped with her life in a similar attack in 2011 in Tucson that killed several other people. I believe that one other person was killed in the Cox attack, too.
Of course, the anti-gun lobby will exploit any news it can, in any way it can.
not an assasination, a murder by a disturbed individual, that the remain forces have exploited quelle surprise,
Miguel,
That is certainly the most likely explanation but do not underestimate the lengths some will go to. The end justifies the means, even when the end requires ‘sacrificing’ one of their own. That is especially true of ideological fanatics, of which there are plenty in the EU.
The only way the truth of the matter can be ascertained is to dig deep and that is unlikely to happen, given that the “disturbed individual” explanation benefits the powers that be.
Surprise! Alleged news outlets are now reporting that the killer is associated with U.S. based White Supremacists. Apparently these reports are based on statements from the Southern Poverty Law Center (a bastion of truth and fairness), which deduced this shocking information because he bought a couple of publications sponsored by such groups.
You are now labeled by what you read. Careful. Do not buy “Mein Kampf”, “Atlas Shrugged” or other controversial material, even though your motive may simply be to inform yourself.
Occam’s razor might apply in this circumstance.
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It is of course, entirely possible that it was the act of a deranged individual.
But given what is at stake, the possibility of a “false flag operation” cannot be dismissed.
The EU already has two of the three factors Pres. Madison warned of, “Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.” Europe already has an “enslaved press” and “a disarmed populace” and now, the EU is planning to secretly create a ‘standing army’, only loyal to the EU’s unelected bureaucratic elite.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/…
So put the guy on truth drugs, televise it in real time, ask him directly if he was under orders, paid to do it, instructed in what to yell out, or assisted in any way.
If he dies suddenly while in police custody, it’s a dead giveaway. All that needs to be done immediately. Won’t happen of course.
So an MP is murdered with a gun in a country that prohibits firearms. Is there a lesson here for the American left? Didn’t think so.
Its nasty the paper says “like in the US”… well, anyone remember the last time a public official of similar status was killed in the US? or wounded and how many since the country wsa founded…
and its nice that they said gun crimes are low cause of tight restrictions… which is somewhat true.. but then again, they have immigrants chopping people up with knives on streets… (i can provide links)
congress…
only 14 have been killed since the founding of the US
only 9 have been wounded
Spencer Pettis August 28, 1831 (gun)
Jonathan Cilley February 24, 1838 (gun)
John Montgomery April 24, 1857 (poisoning)
John Quitman July 17, 1858 (poisoning)
David Broderick September 13, 1859 (gun)
Edward Baker October 21, 1861 (civil war)
Cornelius Hamilton December 22, 1867 (insane son)
James Hinds October 22, 1868 (shot by KKK)
Thomas Haughey July 31, 1869 (fistfight to gun)
John Pinckney April 24, 1905 (riot to gun)
Huey Long September 8, 1935 (gun)
Robert Kennedy June 5, 1968 (gun)
Leo Ryan November 18, 1978 (jim jones shot)
Larry McDonald September 1, 1983 (plane shot down by soviet union)
thats it… the others were only wounded, with giffords being the last…
Charles Sumner (hit on head with cane)
Josiah Grinnell (hit on head with iron tipped cane)
Alvin Bentley, Clifford Davis, George Fallon Ben Jensen, Kenneth Roberts (puerto rican nationalists shot from the ladies gallery of the house of representatives)
John Stennis (shot twice)
Gabrielle Giffords (shot in head)
by FAR most of them were way way before any gun restrictions at all, including restricting machine guns, and so on…
so i dont know where the author of the article assumes that the US has people in their country attacking their higher politicians… and a good proportion of them were foreign, or terrorist groups, etc..
the number of assasinated american politicans of any stripe, not just congress is 57, and that list includes those above..
with the first in 1815
and they were not all guns, some where with canes, some wher epoisoned, some were killed over having sex and fathering a child with another mans wife or daughter, man were killed by democrat KKK, some by native americans, some were dem politician killing dem politician over who would be the person governing.. one by a police officer, several by the mafia…
given the number of guns in the US (over 300 million), the numbers of incidents are quite small, and the anti-gun people have to gin up the numbers adding suicides whose number dwarfs all the others.
number of people killed by rifles of any sort last year is between 300-400… half the number killed by knifes, and that is less than the number beaten to death by bare hands.
yes we have more, but we also have a larger population, a much larger influx of outsiders, a lot more organizations and such from other states, and some werent even in the US and so were killed in another state (like by jim jones)
oh, if you take out the cities where you have large populations of people who came from africa, the number of incidents plumets to a very very low number… on par with sweden and other places..
in the US they ALWAYS conflat the suicides as homicides to drive the number up, and they forget that in other countries, suicides sometimes take a traditional appraoch, as in japan where men will use knifes, and women will walk into the sea (and often with their kids)
In 2012, there were 8,897 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,404 of those attributed to handguns
The Centers for Disease Control reports that there were 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S. in 2010
The FBI breaks down the gun-related homicides in 2010 by weapon: 6,009 involved a handgun, 358 involved a rifle, and 1,939 involved an unspecified type of firearm
[oh, and they dont break out how many were killed by police as part of their jobs, and they often dont break out accidents]
this is out of over 300,000,000 guns in the US…
According to FBI statistics, the highest per capita rates of gun-related homicides in 2005 were in D.C. (35.4/100,000), Puerto Rico (19.6/100,000), Louisiana (9.9/100,000), and Maryland (9.9/100,000)
if the whole country was like DC… we would ahve 106,200 a year
so a few places in the US tend to blow the numbers of the whole way out of proportion… take that away, and the numbers are ridiculously low.
note that one of the higher rates was maryland, if the whole nation was like that, it would be 27,000 (and this is LOWER than the number for the nation if you include suicides!!!!!!!)
oh, and as sales have gone up and exploded, the numbers have been dropping for the past 20 years…
Physicsguy Says at 4:48 pm
“So an MP is murdered with a gun in a country that prohibits firearms. Is there a lesson here for the American left?”
In the second link there is a tweet by Gabrielle Giffords. Her tweet is ironic since her supporters have tried to convince the American people that those attacks wouldn’t happen if they just outlawed guns.
Arfldgr:
I assume they are thinking of Gaby Giffords (who weighed in today on the Jo Cox assassination), because it was so very recent and so very high-profile. Giffords was gravely wounded and barely escaped with her life in a similar attack in 2011 in Tucson that killed several other people. I believe that one other person was killed in the Cox attack, too.
Of course, the anti-gun lobby will exploit any news it can, in any way it can.
not an assasination, a murder by a disturbed individual, that the remain forces have exploited quelle surprise,
Miguel,
That is certainly the most likely explanation but do not underestimate the lengths some will go to. The end justifies the means, even when the end requires ‘sacrificing’ one of their own. That is especially true of ideological fanatics, of which there are plenty in the EU.
The only way the truth of the matter can be ascertained is to dig deep and that is unlikely to happen, given that the “disturbed individual” explanation benefits the powers that be.
Surprise! Alleged news outlets are now reporting that the killer is associated with U.S. based White Supremacists. Apparently these reports are based on statements from the Southern Poverty Law Center (a bastion of truth and fairness), which deduced this shocking information because he bought a couple of publications sponsored by such groups.
You are now labeled by what you read. Careful. Do not buy “Mein Kampf”, “Atlas Shrugged” or other controversial material, even though your motive may simply be to inform yourself.
Occam’s razor might apply in this circumstance.