One of these things is not like the other
There was a large demonstration in Poland Saturday to protest the possibility that the government will let in many thousands of refugees from Syria—that is, people who claim to be refugees and claim to be from Syria.
There was also a smaller counter-demonstration in support of letting the newcomers in. Here what one participant in that demonstration said:
“I became a refugee when I had to flee Warsaw as the Germans invaded during the war,” 80-year-old Danuta Chomiak told AFP as she marched with the crowd. “I have a duty to be here today.”
There’s that WWII analogy again, as well as the false equivalence between intra-European migration versus inter-continental migration of people whose culture is warring and disparate from the place where they are heading.
I’d like to ask Danuta Chomiak where she went to when she left Warsaw. My guess is that it wasn’t to Syria. Nor was it to Pakistan or Iraq any of the other countries from which the new potential Polish residents originate. My guess is that she went to some Western country.
Now, Poland may have felt very different from wherever it was that Danuta fled to when she became a refugee. Maybe she went to a country that wasn’t so predominantly Catholic as Poland, for example; maybe it was more Protestant. Maybe she had to learn a new language. I’m sure the move was wrenching and difficult. But I’m pretty sure it didn’t remotely compare to the total upheaval she would have felt if somehow she’d ended up in one of those Middle Eastern Muslim countries I mentioned. The cultural and religious divide between her old country and her new would have not only been much wider, the culture and religion of her new country would have in many ways been opposed, and openly so, to the culture and religion of her old.
The modern myth is that all cultures are roughly equal. They are not. For example, all human beings are created equal, but some countries and cultures don’t even pay lip service to such niceties. Nor are they interested in what we might call human rights. Let in enough people from those countries with those beliefs, and fail to require that they adhere to the the culture of the new, and you have a recipe for disaster.
“The modern myth is that all cultures are roughly equal. They are not. ” [Neo]
Without question! We have “evolved” into a society which insists on being non-judgemental, non-discriminatory. It is a prime underlying premise for that Gramscian, socialist progressive Utopia which is the left delusion.
The reality is that we pass judgement and discriminate in our choices all the time, and free markets allow the individual to do just that in the way that s/he decides is best. Just another example of the primal fallacy on which the entire progressive left is founded.
And some wonder why things are so screwed up today?
I will give Danuta Chomiak a little grace because of her advanced age. Some 80 year olds have lost a bit of their cognitive ability and have a little trouble making logical judgements. I know.
On the other hand there are a huge number of people who do not have that excuse, but suffer the same dissonance. Why? How can they look at cultures that not only bear no resemblance to their own, but actively reject it, and not recognize that? How can they not notice in their own, or neighboring, countries the upheaval that results from admitting large numbers of immigrants who have no desire to embrace their culture, and will actively resist attempts to assimilate them? Rhetorical questions of course; but, baffling nonetheless.
Another liberal myth that is accepted without question is that America is a nation of immigrants. We are a nation of legal immigrants. Huge difference.
The Left excels at half-truths and false analogies.
The Leftist alliance activates their own localized rape and kill squads in Europe. Wonder what the local version of it will be like in the US.
I’d like to ask Danuta Chomiak where she went to when she left Warsaw. My guess is that it wasn’t to Syria. Nor was it to Pakistan or Iraq
NO, there was to Syria. & was in to Iraq
“Following Ottoman territorial losses in the Balkans owing to the Turco-Russian war and the ensuing Berlin Treaty, mass immigration of Turks and Jews starts towards Turkey. The Jews prepare festivities for the 400th anniversary of their arrival from Spain. Abdulhamid is making plans for installing 200,000 Jewish immigrants from Russia in the south east, but this remains as a project. The Jews are out of their shell. In the 1887 parliament we see Jewish parliament member. Abraham Adjiman, Menahem Salah Pasa, Ziver, Davitchon Levi and David Karmona. In the 1908 parliament Vitali Faradji Alberta Fua, Emmanuel Carasso, Nisim Mazliyah, Yehezkel Sasson and at the senate Bohor Eskenazi. After the Alfred Dreyfus case, the arrival of the Hungarian born Theodor Herzl from the leading Viennese newspaper “Neue Freie Presse” to Istanbul takes place. He comes first in 1898 then in 1901 and a third time in 1902 and tries to obtain an audience with the Sultan Abdulhamid. It is on his third voyage that he is finally gtanted one through the head Rabbi Moshe Levy. The Sultan receives him, and through the conversation Herzl tries to obtain a Jewish homeland under the protection of the Sultan and under the same statutes as the Island of Crete.”
“Encyclopedia Britannica, eleventh edition 1911,
“Ottoman Empire” (excerpts). …world affairs seem to have bypassed the eastern regions of the Ottoman empire during the second half of the 19th century. The influx of almost two million European Jews between 1849 and 1855 caused far-reaching changes in the economy and social structure of the empire. But these took place only gradually. The immigrants were dispersed over the eight cantons originally envisaged by the EIC, extending from Jaffa to Kirkuk. Living conditions during the first years were extremely harsh for the newcomers and they were endlessly complaining about their bitter fate. It is estimated that about 100,000 of them left the country, mostly for America. ”
So they were immigrated/ refugees in Iraq and Syria before,
Here is a recent interview with Jean Raspail, author of The Camp of the Saints [1973], making much the same point.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/o6ggotu
The cultures are immiscible. And, he says, France is dying.
like old flyer alludes to, I’d take a wild guess and say that Danuta probably made every effort to assimilate into her new culture, and not expect (demand) that it change to suit her uniqueness……
my how things have changed….we are all special, profound and entitled now…….
let’s dance.
…..in a proper circle .
Found on the menu of a New Orleans restaurant: “An omelet takes three minutes. We could make it in two but you wouldn’t like it”.
The melting pot needs a very low flame.
One of the current schemes of the Leftists is to erase a *Country’s Identification” & destroy patriotism among the citizenry. If you don t see yourself as a Pole or an American how much easier to manipulate you to devote yourself to the Lefts *Global Concerns* like climate change,
over population, & religion ? Well being a 1,000 yr old Catholic Nation like Poland is the equivalent of formerly Christian Syria current incarnation as Ottoman Muslims.
With a name like Danuta Chomiak, age 80, my best guess is that she migrated west from the Russian held Ukraine to Poland hardly a cultural difference, both Slavic countries, the languages are 95% similar & unlike the Orthodox Russians many Ukranians are Eastern rite but in communion with Rome like the Catholic Poles.
So not much culture shock on her part.
I find it amazing how people still have to learn history by reading dry abstract dates and times. It means little to nothing to humans on an emotional level what happened back then, because it’s just an abstract blob of information they take in, such as when their car batteries run out.
It’s not like they feel the same thing for when their own heart runs out of energy.
Let in enough people from those countries with those beliefs, and fail to require that they adhere to the the culture of the new, and you have a recipe for disaster.
And do Americans think the Demoncrat Leftist culture in the US, which they’ve allowed to live for a century and a half, was not going to be a recipe for disaster?
The Teaching Company has a good lecture series on culture. The are not biased but you do find that people fit into different cultural backgrounds and their actions and reactions are reflected as such. Thus, some cultures are easy to live with, others are clearly a danger. All “men” are created equal, not cultures. And in the all men are created equal, it only applies to the fact that people who set themselves up as aristocracy are no different than anyone else and don’t have special privilege. Thus, while it is clearly wrong to not like someone who is black or brown, if they exhibit characteristics of being in an inner city black culture, there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a bigoted stance to their current and potential activity, many blacks refer to this an not having gotten the ghetto out. The same for goes for Arabic culture which is very backward and violent. Our problem is that we don’t demand conformity with a sane common culture, and are scared to even ask for it.
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