The political aftermath of the Iran deal
Anyone who thought Hillary Clinton might part company with Obama was betting on the wrong horse: she’s given tentative approval to the deal, leaving herself a tiny bit of wiggle room.
Obama and the MSM will spin the Iran deal as great victory, something like Obamacare writ large and on a world stage. The American people will be sold a pack of lies (as with Obamacare) about what the deal entails: lots of checks on nuclear proliferation and the like. There will be a lot of self-congratulation on the left. The actual results of the deal won’t be clear for years, probably after the 2016 election—like a time bomb (literally).
As I wrote before, the reaction I’ve seen from blogs on the left is approval, and crowing about the defeat of the conservatives and Republicans. From the right, I’ve seen a lot of this sort of thing (found in the comments at Instapundit):
But but, I voted for republicans! And they won! Does that mean that they are useless? And weak? And on the same side as the mad mullahs?
I wish I had known – I would have voted to keep that democrat twinkie in office – at least I knew whose side she was on.
In other words, blame the Republicans.
Those who think I’m into kneejerk defense of Republicans don’t know me very well. I follow wherever logic takes me. I couldn’t care less about defending Republicans. I’m not a party member, and I’m certainly not a party operative. I find most of them lacking in courage and vision, as well as sometimes corrupt, and I find the current leadership to be especially awful. But blaming Republicans for this particular thing is just plain wrong (sometimes I think that comments like the one I quoted above are actually posted by leftist trolls; and does anyone think the election of Romney wouldn’t have prevented this?).
I’ve gone into the following before, but it bears repeating:
(1) Why do you think the Iran deal is always referred to as a “deal” rather than a treaty? Because Obama would never have called it a treaty and submitted it to Congress for approval, and in fact, as a multilateral arms agreement, there’s actually precedent for his position (although not precedent for going against the basic interests of the US and the opinion of a majority in Congress).
(2) Corker-Menendez actually introduced a way for Congress to vote on it and disapprove of it, particularly and especially the lifting of sanctions, which it delays. What’s more, any ability Congress may have had to block it as a treaty still remains open to them, as far as I can tell.
(3) If and when Congress fails to act on this, I will consider them craven cowards and/or collaborators. But if they do act and vote to refuse to lift sanctions and/or refuse to approve the deal, they may only have a simple majority. Obama has already made it crystal clear he will veto their disapproval, which means they need 2/3 (I think in both houses) to override. Will they get it? That depends on…
(4) …Democrats. What will they do? It’s an opportunity for them to show themselves to be patriots and people of principle, but they’ve shown no such propensities for a very long time, and I don’t see them showing them now. I hope I’m wrong. But my prediction is that although Republicans and some Democrats will vote against the deal, not enough Democrats will join in order to successfully override Obama’s veto.
(5) The same thing is true of conviction re the 2/3 vote. The Republicans have the votes to impeach but not convict, the latter of which needs 2/3 of the Senate. Can anyone envision conviction receiving that many Democrat votes? I truly can’t.
(6) And no, Boehner did not rule out impeachment. See this post from March. At the end of that post, I also added this prediction:
[Republicans in the House] will not impeach Obama unless they think they can win a conviction [in the Senate], and I think that’s wise.
I actually think there’s a small chance that Obama’s actions on Iran could force their hand, depending on what he does and how awful it is. How likely do I think it is that enough Democrats would turn on Obama, and that the Republicans would then act? Highly unlikely.
But it has not been ruled out.
The same is still true. I think Obama is guilty of more than enough to justify his impeachment and then conviction, but I do not think enough Democrats would turn on him. Until that happens, impeachment would only bolster sympathy and support for him.
I don’t like those facts. I actually think they are disastrous.
[ADDENDUM: Some details here on how Congressional review would work.
Here are sixteen reasons why the deal is a catastrophe. Obama and Kerry have abandoned virtually all of the things they had said would be dealbreakers. Wonder how many people who call themselves “liberals” will notice.]
Putin Not Only Loves Iran Deal, But Takes Credit for Helping Write It
“We are certain that the world heaved a sigh of relief today,” Putin said in a lengthy statement praising the deal. “The negotiations supported by the UN Security Council and involving Russia, China, the USA, France, Germany, Great Britain, Iran and the European Union went on for many years. We are satisfied that the solution found is based on the principle of phasing and mutuality which our country has been consistently supporting at every stage of these complicated negotiations.”
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/07/14/putin-not-only-loves-iran-deal-but-takes-credit-for-helping-write-it/
DUH!
“Obama and Kerry have abandoned virtually all of the things they had said would be deal-breakers. Wonder how many people who call themselves “liberals” will notice.”
I predict the number of people will be the same number that noticed:
If you like your plan you can keep it….
If Syria crosses this red line in the sand …..
The economy is better than ever….
etc.
But I do believe the a$$ and his legions have transformed America as he promised. I just don’t think I’m going to like what evolves out of the mix.
🙁 🙁
Neo: any ability Congress may have had to block it as a treaty still remains open to them, as far as I can tell.
You should learn to play chess more… it’s the old game that the cold war was built on.
“sole executive agreement”
President Bush in 2001 when he unilaterally exited the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with Russia used that power, and the power has existed since the 1800s, but its not been tested to this degree…
1. This deal was not called a treaty for the same reason BHO issued his Executive Order/ Memo on illegal aliens. Just lawyer BS to get around the Rule of Law.
2. McConnell already lowering expectations on veto override.
3. Spot on re Obama pushing this off to next President.
4. Barack has just started a nuclear arms race in the Mideast.
5. This is just embarrassing. But with potentially deadly consequences.
6. Last deal with North Korea worked great.
7. Why would anyone believe a word out of Barack’s mouth these days?
Hey I know! Let’s submit this to the Supreme Court! /sarc
see
Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
The bill allows the Obama Administration’s agreement with the Iranian leaders to go forward unless it is disapproved by enactment of a new law.
To halt a bad agreement then, Congress would need to pass a joint resolution disapproving the agreement, which the President could then veto, as a result of which it would not become law unless two-thirds of both Houses of Congress vote to override the veto. Thus, in essence, under the SFRC bill, the Obama agreement with Iran will automatically go forward unless two-thirds of Congress disapproves of it. In contrast, in the normal treaty process, a President cannot make a treaty unless two-thirds of the Senate votes to approve the treaty.
which is why in his speech this morning he said he holds the veto pen and smirked
Iran is allowed to maintain more than 6,000 operational centrifuges for 10 years
its fun to watch the left contradict themselves in terms of nuclear weapons… bad bad bad unless a authoritarian religious leader wants it, and its the only foreign sucess the one has..
Regardless of what Hillary, Obama or the American public think of the deal, we will know very soon how the hard eyed people in the region view it.
I expect Saudi Arabia will go nuclear in short order. Aside from the Saudis, if they think it necessary to have an independent capability the Gulf States will also join the club.
Who knows what other Sunni dominated countries, like Egypt and Jordan, will opt to do?
I have no idea whether Israel will take unilateral military action, given the hostility of the Obama administration and serious tactical constraints. If they do not, I expect them to declare a policy of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). That policy actually served us pretty well during the Cold War, even though the very people now hailing this capitulation, uh deal, hated it.
An Iranian court on Monday issued a ruling fining the United States $50 billion for purported damages against the Islamic Republic and its citizens, according to an announcement by Iran’s Judiciary.
Iran claims that the United States is guilty of inflicting “heavy loss and damage” on the country, as well as “killing the Iranian nationals by assisting their enemies,” such as former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, according to Iran’s state-controlled Fars News Agency.
The ruling charges “the U.S. administration with the payment of a total 50-billion-dollar fine for the losses it has incurred on real and legal entities,” according to Fars.
The State Department … would not rule out giving Iran up to $50 billion as a so-called “signing bonus” for agreeing to a nuclear deal later this year, according to comments made to journalists following reports that the Obama administration had formulated a plan to release tens of billions of frozen Iranian funds.
Experts have said this multi-billion dollar “signing bonus” option, which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal, could be the largest cash infusion to a terror-backing regime in recent memory.
As part of the agreement, the P5+1 has agreed to unfreeze tens of billions of dollars in Iranian assets, with some estimates reaching $140 billion.
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at least some people will have a job for life after they leave office… eh?
God help Israel…
Artfldgr:
Note that I wrote that there is precedent for Obama claiming it is not a treaty. I am already aware of some of the precedents.
Note also that I wrote that Congress retains the same ability it had before to block it as a treaty. But I didn’t say how much ability that was. I think their ability is limited to those cases where a president submits it to them as a treaty, which Obama has no intention of doing here, or when the Supreme Court would back them up and declare it a treaty (also not going to happen here), or they could impeach and convict (likewise).
Hey, I have a suggestion. Stop fighting by Queensbury rules. Vote against the deal. Is that it? Why not tell Obama the gloves are off. You’ll be voting against him on everything. You’ll be working with the states against him. No? Why not? Because the establishment types like Romney won’t stand for it.
I think the only way to stop this is to flip Northeast Dems like Chuck Schumer. The key, IMO, will be the American Jewish community. NY, NJ and CT could flip along with Nelson of FL.
Since Bob Mendenz had been indicted by Obama’s DOJ, he has no incentive to stick with Obama.
The anti-nuclear proliferation President has just insured nuclear proliferation.
The progs believe it means “Peace in our time!” It is to weep.
Steve,
What does Romney have to do with this? He is not in Congress.
Big question: How does the American public get fired up over this in the next two months?
As I’ve stated before, it’s as predictable as a Japanese Kabuki play.
Nuclear arms race in the region.
Nukes in the hands of unstable, third world and jihadist regimes.
Sooner or later, nukes will ‘find’ their way into the hands of terrorist organizations.
One or more American port cities will experience a nuclear terrorist attack by a nuke concealed within a commercial container ship.
In reaction to the panic and economic chaos, near permanent, nationwide Martial Law will be declared for the ‘duration of the national emergency’.
Under martial law and, not wanting to let “a crisis go to waste”, a ‘progressive’ democrat President will cite the legal precedent in suspending key Constitutional provisions. Including the Posse Comitatus Act and the 2nd and 22nd amendments.
The Internet will be severely ‘regulated’.
‘Hate speech’ executive orders will be issued with Army ‘re-education’ camps established.
Civil War will erupt across this country. The result will determine whether “mankind’s last, best hope” is extinguished.
Carl in Atlanta: “God help Israel . . . “
Yes, and God help us all as well.
And “deal” is the correct word; but just who is it a “deal” for?
The Iranians now have quite a deal or should we call it a steal? They’ve gotten something for nothing.
Senate approval of the “deal” really does not matter. As others have observed, it is not a treaty; it is a deal. The deal is Iran gets its oil markets back, gets $100 Billion of frozen assets back, gets to buy more weapons for Houthi and Hezbollah and Revolutionary Guards. There has even been chatter that Iran gets a multibillion “signing bonus”, as if Iran were signing an NBA contract!
The deal was struck between the members of the UN Security Council on the one hand, and Iran on the other. Part of the deal is the lifting of UN Security Council sanctions.
This is an enormously big step on the path of globalization of politics. Not just economic globalization, but also political globalization. A New World Order. Geoffrey Britain’s speculation of BHO engineering a dictatorship is not inconsistent with this globalization thesis…the few have never had as much power over the many….forever. Rebellion is impossible.
No wonder the Iranian contingent was dancing on the balconies in Vienna.
My children will live to regret how they voted. I don’t feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for my grandchildren.
Amen Capn Rusty.
However, like most parents I do not wish harm to my children either.
They are just big hearted liberals who believe government actions have a more salutary effect than that of other entities. No, they are not stupid, they just have blinders on this issue.
I haven’t quite given up; and I am working hard on the following generation–but I am outnumbered by the schools and all other points of contact.
Steve, you gotta be kidding right? Do you think this is Bush’s fault as well?
Romney warned us; but, not enough people were listening.
Is Walker “establishment” in your view? He just issued a clear warning yesterday.
Yeah, it will be wall-to-wall nonstop lies about the details of the agreement. But even without that, some of the other results of the deal may be more than okay with the American peole:
expat, Oldflyer,
Steve’s point isn’t about Republican policy. It’s about Republican tactics.
He’s calling for full-on activism, for Republicans to play the only social cultural/political game there is for keeps, the only way it can be played against zealous Left activists who hold the upper hand – by any means necessary across the spectrum.
To Steve, Romney represents a conventional electoral politician self-restricted to “Queensbury rules” when those rules don’t match the actual game being played, for keeps, in the arena.
I disagree in part with Steve in that it’s not up to GOPers like Romney to lead the way in the activist game. That’s up to the people.
GOPers like Romney can do their part effectively once the stage is set for them by Right activists who defeat Left activists in head-on competition to take over the arena to lay the foundation, set the conditions, and control the frame.
I’m eating crow. Less than a week ago I predicted that the deal would fall through. I was wrong. Period.
This is a terrible disaster for all the reasons Neo and other posters have stated. Evil on the march. God help us.
Less than a week ago I predicted that the deal would fall through. I was wrong. Period.
The same person talking as if the Gaystapo does not exists, thinks the deal will fall through?
No worries, if Iran launches nukes, they can always blame the Republicans for it, because the news media will tell everyone to, and if you don’t think they’re always right, then you’re probably a Republican yourself.
My mother actually thinks the AMA was Romney’s doing, because 60 Minutes said it was based on Romney’s healthcare plan. What can anyone do against such doublethink?
I was reviewing Churchill’s October 5, 1939 speech in Commons in the wake of the Munich agreement. I was struck by his peroration:
“I do not grudge our loyal, brave people, who were ready to do their duty no matter what the cost, who never flinched under the strain of last week – I do not grudge them the natural, spontaneous outburst of joy and relief when they learned that the hard ordeal would no longer be required of them at the moment; but they should know the truth. They should know that there has been gross neglect and deficiency in our defences; they should know that we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road; they should know that we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies:
“Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting.”
And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.”
The only thing that supersedes propaganda is a power beyond it. Not even propaganda can re attach a dead person’s head and make people think they are still alive and talking.
Death will always be more powerful than the illusions of the media life.
The Book of Revelation, the Apocalypse, is unfolding before our eyes.
Obama is a species of anti-Christ, without doubt. He is a liar, and a son and champion of the Father of Lies. His brothers and sisters-in-arms in Iran, and in Planned Parenthood, and in the Courts and in the Orcs from Mordor known as Democrats are all about a few related things: destruction, dissolution, and death.
Everyone’s worst fears about Obama are coming true, at a very rapid pace.
“If those days were not shortened…”, says the good book, “even the elect would be corrupted”. Or something like that.
We normal Americans are now prisoners inside a country and world against our choosing. A great fence has been put up. It is there to keep freedom out and to keep free people from escaping, since there is no place to escape to.
Welcome to Hell everyone.
When you vote for the devil, what you get is Hell. America voted for diabolos twice.
expat, eric:
Steve has Romney Derangement Syndrome.
Seriously, though, there are people on the Right who blame “establishment Republicans” and “RINOs” (and almost all Republicans are defined that way by said people) as the main problem.
They remind me of the sort of people who, when told about a case of child abuse in which Parent A abused a child, focus all their ire on Parent B for not preventing it.
neo – Thank you for saying this. It’s obvious, but as Orwell said: “Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.” (Or intelligent women, like yourself.)
The blame for bad actions must rest on the actors, not those who try to stop them.
Frog:
You are right about the UN. Even if the U.S. rejected the treaty/deal other countries will be buying oil and selling arms to Iran. Just hope Iran doesn’t send an ICBM into Paris.
And think about this.
What does Iran have that Europe needs?
Answer: Oil and gas.
Right now the USA is nearly ready to export oil and we are already exporting some LNG. If the Obama Administration wasn’t nearly criminal in its devotion to the Global Warming loons, we would be exporting significant LNG to Europe today.
So now Europe gets some oil and gas and the French and Brits sell cigarettes to the Iran. Nice deal in light of the fact that Iran will turn up its terrorism funding. And the terrorists will be sent to Paris and London.
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The phrase “any time, anywhere” now means “with 24 days notice.”
Just like “established by the State” means “established by the Federal government or a State.”
It gets worse….
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-will-teach-iran-to-thwart-nuke-threats/
U.S. Will Teach Iran to Thwart Nuke Threats
Iran: ‘All our goals materialized’ under deal
…In what is being viewed as a new development, European countries and potentially the United States agreed to “cooperate with Iran on the implementation of nuclear security guidelines and best practices,” according to a copy of the agreement furnished by both the Russians and Iranians.
This will include “training courses and workshops to strengthen Iran’s ability to prevent, protect and respond to nuclear security threats to nuclear facilities and systems as well as to enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical protection systems,” according to the text.
Additional “training and workshops” would work to “strengthen Iran’s ability to protect against, and respond to nuclear security threats, including sabotage, as well as to enable effective and sustainable nuclear security and physical protection systems,” the text states.
The language was viewed as disturbing by analysts and experts who said such cooperation could help protect Iran against efforts by the Israelis or other countries to sabotage the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program in the future.
“The United States and its partners have just become the international protectors of the Iranian nuclear program. Instead of rolling back the Iranian nuclear program, we’re now legally obligated to help the Iranians build it up and protect it,” said one Western source present in Vienna and who is apprised of the details of the deal.
In addition to teaching Iran how to protect its nuclear infrastructure, world powers pledge in the agreement to help Iran construct next-generation centrifuges–the machines that enrich uranium–at its once-secret nuclear site in Fordow, where Iran has been suspected of housing a weapons program.
Fordow is an underground and fortified military site that is largely immune from air strikes by those seeking to eradicate Iran’s nuclear infrastructure.
Irene:
Well, we can always hope they send them the same people to protect their security as protected our security at the OPM.
Mark Levin: Obama has sown the seeds of World War 3.
But he won the Noble Peace Prize!
Cornhead:
And Neville Chamberlain was nominated for one in 1939.
It ain’t funny.
The only hope I can have is that, having agreed not to reveal their bomb until the day Barry leaves office, the Iranians will remember and act as they did Inauguration Day 1981 — and we have a conservative President taking the oath of office.
Vienna supersedes Munich.
Both being epic errors and seen so — straight off.
Hillary’s now come out with a longer, more detailed, and tough-sounding statement — a taste:
“As President, I would use every tool in our arsenal to compel rigorous Iranian compliance.”
and
“The message to Iran should be loud and clear: We will never allow you to acquire a nuclear weapon; not just during the term of this agreement – never.”
Ann, quoting Vox.com:
This factor, which is formidable, highlights a critical yet underexposed part of the Dems/Left coalition that populist Right activists will be hard-pressed to counter. It grips the GOP, too.
Consider in combo:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/divorce-beltway-style/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704900004576152254129083120
Wonder how many people who call themselves “liberals” will notice.”
All of them. And liberals will applaud them for deceiving Republicans until the (i)deal was reached.
That’s what words are for to politicians: the means to lie until you get what you want.
Painful bitterness.
neo, thank you for your wonderful post (and your prior Swan Lake post was utterly brilliant).
I am especially grateful for your Corker explanation, which was new to me and gave me some small sense of relief.
As craven as I think Republicans can be, Corker (as I misunderstood) always struck me as too craven even for them (and once again raised the nagging suspicion of blackmail).
That Corker was intended to provide an otherwise unavailable opportunity to defeat BO’s perfidy (instead of facilitating the perfidy) is a ray of hope and relieves a small part of the bitterness.
Geoffrey Britain’s kabuki scenario (5:59 PM) as plausible and even likely as it is, is not here yet. It is and would be immoral to give up hope and give up trying. They also serve who only stand and wait.
A leader is needed, and it is impossible to see where this leader might emerge if not within the context of the Republican Party in some fashion. Sure, there might be some other presently unimaginable provenance, but why help destroy the only viable source we now know?
(And I do not mean electoral leaders only, but interviews with Cruz encourage me to believe he is a leader with the ability to address the heavy odds).
Marxists/America-haters such as BO are masters of alienation, creating it, nurturing it, exploiting it. We need to be so careful in refraining from helping the various forms of alienation being used against us in the daily propaganda and manipulation.
I also want to express my feelings of disgust that hatred of Jews is not only triumphant again but also triumphant in a way which actually threatens to equal or surpass the evil of the last century.
Strangely, love for the American nation as conceived has become bound to solidarity with (and love for) the Jewish people.
This notion that this deal is not a treaty was really a brilliant bit of legal strategy by Obama. Big advantage in that he doesn’t have to win 2/3 of the Senate. If I studied it, I doubt this deal is not a treaty. Barack just says it isn’t, so therefore it is true.
Here’s a prediction I hate to make but may well happen before the end of the year. Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other Arab states will launch a massive air campaign against Iraq’s nuke sites. I only hope Obama doesn’t bomb Israel.
Neville Obama strikes again!
Although I will say that I did hear a good argument in comparing Neville Chamberlain to Neville Obama.
In 1938, Neville Chamberlain, when he was waving that piece of paper and stating that he had achieved ‘peace for our time’, had no idea of the true horrors of the Nazi regime, as the official death camps had not opened yet. With Iran, on the other hand, Obama and the world knows of their evil duplicity and of their hatred for The Great Satan (Death to America!) and The Little Satan (We will wipe Israel off the map!). So, in other words, Chamberlain had an excuse, while Barry does not. Also, once the war began, Chamberlain admitted his mistake and worked with Churchill in fighting fascism. Can anyone imagine Barry admitting he was wrong, that he made a mistake? Yeah, me neither.
Since Barry frets over his ‘legacy’ in true malignant narcissist fashion, once a nuclear weapon goes off thanks to the nuclear proliferation this deal/treaty/whatever engenders, will Barry claim that disastrous global warming event as his legacy, too? If I’m alive, I know I will, for whatever good that does (horse, barn door).
RickZ
Your analysis proves that Obama is a knave as no Harvard educated fool would act so.
I’ve heard that the frozen assets, the number $150 billion is floated around a lot, will become available in the next 6 to 8 months. Since we know that Iran has no compunctions against financing terror, it’s possible there could be an upswing in this kind of activity in the next year or two. While it will likely be too late to scuttle the Obama presidency, if it can be shown that Iran is pulling strings behind the scenes (with billions of dollars), this would at least make clear the nature of this deal and the nature of the people with whom it was made.
Too late to do anything, but hopefully not too late for some of the clueless people who trusted the likes of Obama and can learn a lesson to avoid his kind in the future.
I am reminded of Kurt Schlicter’s “Conservative Insurgency”, an interesting piece of speculative fiction that documents the return of America to conservative values. Set in the year 2041 or so, Schlicter tells the history of the U.S. between when he wrote the book in 2014 and the year 2041 through fictional articles and interviews. In some cases, I found it a bit too optimistic, and in others depressingly realistic.
http://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Insurgency-Kurt-Schlichter/dp/1618689770
The point of all this is, and Schlicter’s book makes the same point, is that it’s going to take something really, really horrible to shake the public from their stupor and awaken them to the need for real, grown-up leadership.
I’m not sure the U.S. electorate is not past the point of no return, like Europe seems to be, but it’s clear we are going to have to suffer through a chastisement of some kind (economic, military, terrorist) before things start to turn around.
If it’s inevitable (and I think it is), then better sooner than later.
To be clear, I think the American spirit will not be distinguished.
The only question is where that spirit will thrive. I hope it will be the U.S. as it exists today, but it might end up being a new Republic founded in a subset of the former U.S., or even some place else entirely.
I love living in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia, but if I had to choose where to be if the bad stuff starts going down, I think the Deep South or non-coast West would be a better place to ride it out.
If it’s inevitable (and I think it is), then better sooner than later:
THE COMING ERA OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
Read Pat Buchanan writings over time, he’s been so right about so much and yet, so few heeded his warnings ….
Don’t keep pet Liberals, don’t be any Liberal’s pet and blame the voters … always.
THE COMING ERA OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE
“East Coast Jewish woman” opines:
U. Wisconsin Prof Says Hitler and Scott Walker Share ‘Terrifying’ Similarities.
We know from experience what the aftermath will be …
yet, TWICE!
“East Coast Jewish woman”
That coterie of ethnic nits with German sounding surnames are a real problem ….
Reading the prognostications this morning it appears there is no way for the Congress to override a veto. Thus, not only is Obama to blame, but I would say any Democrat who votes with Obama on this “deal” is a traitor to their country and should be held accountable when the nukes go off. As I live in a state with nothing but Dems as reps and senators, I will write to them and tell them such. I never thought the Dems would sink this low…JFK is rolling in his grave.
I vehemently disagree. The law of averages says that once in a blue moon, Oblowme would get something right, that is, good for America. The fact that every move he makes is anti-America proves that Obama’s actions are not the actions of a knave, but of a determined commie rat bastard fundamentally transforming the greatest Nation on earth into a third world banana republic shithole.
President Boyfriend is one evil cocksucker.
I can’t put the blame entirely on the Dems. The Pubbies have rolled over and foregone their Senate duty to approve treaties (no matter what Oblowme calls this deal, it is a treaty). Any member of Congress who supports this ‘deal’, and what a deal it is, are traitors to this Country and should be duly excised from the living as such.
G6loq:
Ironically, I read an article with the same title written by an American Catholic bishop, regarding the same-sex “marriage” ruling. And in discussions on that topic, more than liberal said, in effect, “This is America: love it or leave it”.
My how times have changed.
My how times have changed.
Hee hee … but not funny.
Time for straight talk:
TRAITORS!
And, DIABLO Repubics are enablers, oh yes they are…. Néo got me to re-read The Brothers Karamazov and in there clearly he represents that the true perpetrator is not always the obvious one …
RickZ
Agree with your third world comment.
U.S. Dem party to become the same as the Institutional Revoltionary Party of Mexico.
Check out Michael Rubin’s piece at Commentary today on Europe’s ideas about Iran. As I mentioned yesterday, about half of the German ZDF report on the deal was devoted to how German companies will benefit. The Euros were never on our side in this fight. They just assume that if things go bad, America will do something and they can point fingers at us.
neo, I don’t have romney derangement syndrome. I just recognize him for the worthless pile of rino crap that he is. Unlike you who think he is a conservative. You who were very slow to recognize the existence of the establishment GOP.
Steve:
Romney is nothing of the sort, as a human being and as a politician.
You only demean yourself calling him that.
And I have known about the Republican establishment since my teen years, when I remember the fights between what was then called the Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party and the Goldwater wing.
Perhaps you need to look at this post from about two and a half years ago, which states my basic ideas on the subject, and also references knowing about Rockefeller et al when I was young.
You and I differ on how to react to this wing, exactly who is in this wing, and what to do about it.
expat,
See the role of Europeans (along with the Russians and Chinese) in undermining the sanctions enforcing the terms of the Gulf War ceasefire and misrepresenting the standard of compliance itself.
In effect, the malfeasant actors that enabled and encouraged Saddam’s noncompliance with UNSCR 687 for economic benefit were lead actors in the Iran negotiations.
ConceptJunkie: “shake the public from their stupor and awaken them to the need for real, grown-up leadership”
The premise is wrong.
There’s no shaking or awakening the public. That’s not how it works.
The zeitgeist is won in competition. The general will of We The People is, and always was, a function of activism.
I have been around longer than 2.5 years. I remember before the election your mocking the concept of the establishment GOP. Sorry neo. You never can be wrong can you?
The Democrats knew that much of the anti war movement was due to French and German reluctance to give up arms sales to Iraq. That cash flow was very important to French military key persons and business people.
Instead of being anti war, they were pro war if it profited them. And the anti war Democrats hopped on the band wagon to drag Bush down, for political and reasons of power. That was all it was. An alliance of convenience, the Leftist alliance even.
When they proclaim that their aims are morally righteous, understand this. They are evil.
Eric,
I know. I observed all the Iraq s**t in Germany. I just read that Fukushima is starting up again. Maybe that will blow the lids off some of the German hypocrits.
Why is steve acting so self righteous here even though he was powerless to do a single thing in this war? Has he prophesied the right events here or elsewhere? What makes him think he is superior to Neo?
When they proclaim that their aims are morally righteous, understand this. They are evil.
The love that couldn’t say its name…
Steve:
Funny that you should say “you can never be wrong, can you?” to a person whose entire blog is predicated on an admission that she had been wrong for much of her adult political life.
In other words, you’re not making sense there.
Plus, you write, “I remember before the election your mocking the concept of the establishment GOP.” If you remember, surely you can offer a link? Because I don’t recall mocking the concept of the establishment GOP, ever. And just now, when I checked some of my old posts, I didn’t see that I did anything of the sort.
I have been pretty consistent, I think, with saying the following:
(1) Romney was not the most conservative candidate, but he was more conservative than people were painting.
(2) His more conservative opponents had huge strikes against them and would lose even bigger than he would (and by the way, I was never sanguine about his chances of winning the election).
(3) In any contest, it’s fine to primary the RINO or establishment candidate in favor of the more conservative one, but if the RINO/establishment candidate wins the primary, not voting for them is in effect voting for the Democrat, which is destructive to the conservative cause (and I’ve explained why in an exhaustive series of post).
In general, my disagreements with some conservatives are (and remain) about certain tactics. I have also disagreed on exactly how the influence of the “establishment” works, and how best to combat it, or what its motives are. But never have I mocked the very concept you are saying I mocked.
Ace gets it (the Failure theater post).
http://www.ace.mu.nu/
Steve Says:
July 15th, 2015 at 3:00 pm
Ace gets it (the Failure theater post).
I smell sulphur.
That’s what happens when womyn cease to be the guardians of standards and boundaries ….
We have a womyn problem.
@ Ymarsakar Says:
July 14th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Less than a week ago I predicted that the deal would fall through. I was wrong. Period.
The same person talking as if the Gaystapo does not exists, thinks the deal will fall through?
What is it, personal with you? When someone eats crow it is usual to accept the apology. Yes, I was totally wrong – perhaps the fact that I couldn’t accept the possibility of such evil actually occurring.
On the other hand, I’m really surprised that you are not celebrating with the Mullahs. After all, Iran doesn’t have a Gaystapo. In fact, they force gay men there to be castrated and dress as women, or if not, they hang them. End of gay problem. I’m sure you approve.
In fact, they force gay men there to be castrated and dress as women …
willfully done here in the US of A …
USA!USA!
When someone eats crow it is usual to accept the apology.
You aren’t important enough here to be eating crow, since your predictions don’t have enough substance or weight to them that such corrections would be required.
In fact, they force gay men there to be castrated and dress as women, or if not, they hang them. End of gay problem. I’m sure you approve.
Someone that supports the gay revolution in the US is lecturing me about what I approve of?
By what authority do you have that allows you to determine what I support or not? Just who do you think you are here, boyo?
Also the Leftists, including the homos and the child predators, supported the Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran, who fought off pro Westerners like the Shah of Iran. As for who I supported, I supported the Shan of Iran in exterminating the religious fanatics and the Leftists that supported the homo liberal revolution.
Is that clear enough for you, Chuck boyo?
A long time ago I argued Obama was more of a fool than a knave. I switch my vote, he is a truly evil man.
If the US allows this treaty to be enacted then the US has become an evil nation and will pass into history as just another democracy that committed suicide. Judgements are hardest on hypocrites.
This is where the truly libertarian minded part ways with conservatives. We believe first and foremost in individual rights, no matter where that takes us. Conservatives like Ymarsakar are basically the flip side of collectivism. They want to tell everyone what they can or cannot put in their bodies (drugs), what organizations they can or cannot belong to (unions), who they can or cannot contract with (marriage), and who should or should not be allowed to redress grievances (gays). They are never content to live and let live. That a group of misinformed, gullible, ignorant, and yes, willing homosexuals are being used by the left goes right over their heads. Because sin. End of story.
Did it ever occur to them that gays are being set up as the new scapegoat much as the Jews were? Reading Ymarsakar is like getting my two minutes of hate without having to look at Emmanuel Goldstien.
The actions of the Gaystapo are ‘scapegoating’ gays quite nicely on their own.
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The “truly libertarian” were Leftist advocates and supporters like Chuck, who wanted the conservative Shah of Iran to be thrown down by the advanced reformer “Khomeini”. That was what the Leftists in America advocated, and many of those Leftists were later used and killed by the anti revolution army. Or maybe that was the anti anti revolution army of Iran.
The “truly libertarian” were also those who greased the wheels of the Left when it came to homo marriage, lecturing and moralizing to us that it wasn’t going to affect marriage, that we were prudes and totalitarian religious freaks for wanting to control what they do in their bedrooms. In reality, of course, they were always planning on using their tools to affect the Homo Utopia of Totalitarian Obedience.
Their self righteous has not seeped out of them, even though their precious Khomeini killed more of them than the Shah ever wanted to. Their self righteous is still with them, even as the Left demonstrates their true hypocrisy for all of us to see.
Such clowns think their apologies are sufficient here and elsewhere, for their predictions being wrong? You will have to suffer a lot more before people like me will take you seriously.
Did it ever occur to them that gays are being set up as the new scapegoat much as the Jews were? Reading Ymarsakar is like getting my two minutes of hate without having to look at Emmanuel Goldstien.</b.
Why would anyone set them up when you ridiculed the proof that the Gaystapo exists, mind controlling homos as effectively as Leftists control blacks and minorities? Oh, you were always planning to blame the setup on us, the "patriots" or the "traditional Christians" or the conservatives, weren't you. It's convenient for you to deny the existence of mind controlling Leftist puppet masters and Gaystapo organizations, because if somebody is setting up homos… why, it would have to be those "Other" people, wouldn't it.
Chuck is 10 years too early to be talking to me about conspiracies. That isn't really your specialty nor is it something you are good at, recognizing truths that won't get you social support. For people that declare themselves libertarians, true libertarians at that, you chain yourself with the approval and authority of society itself.
Why would anyone that is truly free wish such shackles put upon them? Because they aren't free and they have nothing to do with liberty.