Report: voice recorder incidates pilot was locked out of cockpit
According to The New York Times, a “senior military official involved in the investigation” of the Germanwings air crash has described an extremely disturbing scenario during the last eight minutes of the flight:
…[O]ne of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.
“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door, and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger, and no answer. There is never an answer.”
He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”
If this is correct, it indicates a situation that chills the blood to even imagine: the frantic pilot unable to get into the cockpit in order to avert the disaster-in-the-making. The question, of course, is whether it was deliberate on the part of the person in the cockpit, or accidental. The first would make that person a terrorist, the second would mean that some accident or sudden illness had rendered that person unconscious and unable to let the other pilot in.
But how do cockpit door locks work? Even without terrorism, why would door locks be designed so that if for some reason the pilot remaining in the cockpit is incapacitated, there is no way for the other pilot to enter in what would clearly be an emergency? No one seems to be all that clear on how it works, but here’s some information:
The cockpit door automatically locks, and in most situations, anyone outside the cockpit needs to have permission from the pilots inside to enter, the video explains. Pilots in the cockpit need to move a switch to the “unlock” position to open the door.
In the case of “crew incapacitation,” there is an emergency access procedure: someone outside the cockpit must punch an emergency code into the door access panel, then can enter 30 seconds later if there is “no action from the crew.” The video seems to imply that someone inside the cockpit could override that emergency action, but that is not entirely clear.
What I take from that is that in the case of involuntary incapacitation the system would work quite well and the outside pilot could enter after 30 seconds. But if the inside pilot didn’t want anyone to enter, he/she could block that entry. If this is correct, there are only two possibilities I can think of for the Germanwings crash: either the system malfunctioned, or it was terrorism on the part of the pilot who remained in the cockpit.
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It’s telling that they still haven’t released the pilots’ names. Others who died in the crash have been identified. Want to bet it was something like Dorian Bumblethwaite?
It’s also telling that they are being cagey about what they can hear on the cockpit voice recorder. This bit of info leaked.
So, what’s the over/under on when we reach the tipping point that people no longer buy the “Religion of Peace [TM]” idea?
Suppose
pilot in cockpit incapacitated.
pilot/purser etc outside cockpit can’t remember passcode.
Europe still thinks it’s in Kansas – Charlie or no Hebdo.
One other possibility: it could have been suicide on the part of the pilot in the cockpit. Of course, commiting suicide in a way that kills another 149 people, innocent men, women and children, takes the act to a new level of horror.
It’s not terrorism — it’s jihad.
Related:
http://www.ibtimes.com/pilot-suicide-when-its-captain-who-crashes-plane-1519756
Tell me the name of the co-pilot.
Or after one pilot left, someone else gained access to the cockpit and incapacitated the other pilot, intending to crash the plane.
Great find on the video, Neo. Words just confuse me but I can understand pictures (grin).
“Germanwings co-pilot DELIBERATELY crashed Flight 4U9525 into mountain to ‘destroy the plane’ after locking his captain out of cockpit, reveals French prosecutor”
CNN also reported that the audio recording indicates that the co-pilot can be heard breathing normally and was conscious until impact.
That leaves suicide or terrorism as the only possibilities.
If true, this again demonstrates the difficulty of stopping someone who doesn’t care about his own welfare and is intent on causing harm.
I hope they have seized his laptops, ipads etc etc to look deep into those hard drives …
The people in that plane were killed (indirectly) by terrorists…
After 911 the airlines decided to beef up the doors and add codes and such… so guess what? now you cant get into the cockpit…
i am waiting for the airline to say something like
“We are very sad that this happened, but we are happy that our new stronger doors worked perfectly to keep people out of the cabin. we will endeavor to improve our services more in the future, rest assured, if this had been a terrorist attack, your family would have been safe from jihadis opening up the door”
there are a few scenarios
one, after the pilot left, the copilot (who they released his name this morning), had a aneurism.. (you would hear a heart attack and most other things, an aneurism is fast and powerful enough to just stop someone in their tracks… there are similar things like wall separation in the aorta that can do the same). then when the pilot came back, there was no one to answer, as they were dead already. in the crisis, the pilot could not remember the code, the dead copilot could not remember him, the radios are behind the door, and cell phones would not work where they are.
the OTHER scenario, which cant be ruled out is that the co-pilot was committing slow suicide like the military pilot that did similar a while back… ie. flew around for a while then died… in the case of the co-pilot he would just fly and ignore the pilots knocking…
the first scenario seems unlikely, as any pilot here can attest, unless automatic pilot is on, a plane with no one touching the controls will generally not fly in a straight line… it tends to veer off… also, the co-pilot has his hands on the wheel, and his feet on pedals.. if he dies, its not likely he would keep the pedals level and not move… dead people tend to slump..
the black box would record whether oxygen sensors were triggered. pilots in the US are required to wear masks for safety reasons once above a certain height (i dont know what that is)… pilots in france do not have that rule… but a person with hypoxia will slump, they will not suddenly freeze in place, they will move as they pass out, even if their brains are not working enough for them to realize it.. .
sadly, the Opera world lost two people.. 🙁
Having just flown Lufthansa from Barcelona to Amsterdam last September, I am overwhelmed with sadness. What a terrible evil against the innocent and their families on that flight.
They are now reporting that they could hear him breathing and that he reset the planes settings to run into the mountain…
they also reported that the doors were reinforced and all that was put in due to 9/11
sadly, they could have gotten into the cockpit by forcing a decompression… if they read the manual better.. the co pilot could set the door to not be able to be opened by anyone, evne the emergency code for five minutes. given the camera, he could turn that off and back on to reset the timer… the only thing in the manual that shows you can bypass it, is decompression
so… they make a strong door to prevent people from entering as they cant concieve of someone spending years to get into position… (guess talking about spies who sleep and spend decades not being common, means we have very little conception of how determined people act… after all, how determined is the average modern liberal person? not very, so they have a hrad time concieveing such)
all too often i find that the people who are selected to design something are not the best designers they are hte most liked and social ones.. people who will not say anything so the person that selcted them will be happy (for a while)… while the best engineers and designers see and mention problems and things, so that their designs are robust, and make sense.
bosses who dont understand thing such people focusing on bad are not team players, not being productive, are being negative etc.
i would say the engineer who said, what if the pilot does something, was supressed as being negative to imply that one of their loved employees could be the problem! and that they were forced to create a system in which certain conditions were ignored… ie. pilot why? because if thye did include this, the boss would say, we dont want the public to think that we have bad pilots…
i work in this kind of environment and i see the successful men and women are those who will help you drive OFF a cliff, not those who would give the car wings and get it to fly… (even in the movie ADAM, the boss who fires him cant see how a doll that does dialogue rather than canned phrases would net him millions over what he wanted and was not paying extra for… and Dilbert has made a million dollar career pointing out this kind of broken system)
“sadly, the Opera world lost two people.”
Sadly the world lost 149 souls. 🙁
As for the 150th person- “It would be better for him if he had never been born.”
So much for Fail-Safe systems. It is almost impossible to protect against a person determined to die for a particular cause.
Artfldgr: You’re exactly right about the management overruling the engineers and that’s probably what happened with the stupid design of those doors. I’m afraid the “what if?” mentality has pretty much been bred out of American engineers and I’m not sure European engineers ever had it. In my working career, I can’t even count the number of times I pointed out a potential flaw in a system only to be told “That can never happen” and just “shut up” about it. I did get to experience schadenfreude several times, though, when what I had predicted actually came to pass.
on another note, vengeful obama narcissism over Bibi is showing as he declassifies isreali state secrets.
US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel’s Nuclear Program
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/193175
what such a dear leader doesnt get (or does and doesnt care, or does and wants the effect), is that now, other states are going to be very reluctant to share or do things with the US for fear that one of our presidents elected by liberals will reveal things!!!
the liberals just dug themselves into bigger hole than they are capable of conceptualizing… why? cause they treat global detent and such like its a high school clique of bitchy grrrrls…
oh yeah… “well if you dont do what i said, i will tell everyone you went to bed with wally wacko”
except that unlike feminist grrrls with issues, states are not going to remain BFF after being screwed…
MikeII, i agree with what point your making, its just that Neo is an opera fan, and may not have noticed the two who died… also, opera is a dying art given soviet realism and all the soviet style styff we have… you cant have opera, opera says only special people with favored genetics having talent can exist there… and that makes us decidedly unequal… so it has to go… why do you think the art world does abstract scuplture rather than other kinds? cant equalize us if talent is acknowleged…
being a very talented person of the wrong preferred pigmentation, i understand this issue on a very personal level. (hey neo, how about putting up that pencil drawing of a boy is sent you to show just one tiny part of my talent?)
snopercod, thanks…
this means that you have also suffered casandra syndrome.. the idiots that you warn either believe that you caused the problem you warned about so as to gloat and be right… (and so punish you)… or they think that you didnt try hard enough and get fired attempting to stop them from the mistake (and so punish you for acting like willy wonka telling the german kid not to do what he was doing… “wait”, stop, dont do that… in a low voice)
Stop, Dont, come back…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVznerpOkTI
Anyone happen to notice the similarities between flight 4U9525 and US foreign policy as the ground approaches?
While not terrorism per se, we do have the terrorists to “thank” for this. If the cockpit door and not been so heavily fortified as a result of 9/11, the pilot would have been able to break back in and, just maybe, prevented this not-job copilot from murdering all those people.
A couple of items –
Someone over at Ace of Spades HQ last night confirmed that the pilot should have been able to enter the cockpit even with it locked, but that it was possible for someone inside to mess with the lock and make that impossible.
Second, the name of the co-pilot has been released – Andreas Lubitz. It doesn’t look like the name will be providing any easy clues on why he chose to fly his plane into the ground.
junior, no one messed with it. there is a button that the pilot or copilot (or navigator if there is one) can click on which locks out the emergency code for 5 minutes. turning it off and on would reset the clock..
if the pilot would have blown out the windows, then the locks would have opened… its in the manual… but not stated that way…
and while names can help, they are not much of anything
the big clue was that he deleted his facebook pages two days before the flight.
Artfldgr:
I have written several times in the comments section that if you set up some sort of website with your artwork, I would link to it.
Artfldgr,
The UK’s Daily Main reports that,
“Pilots can restrict access to the flight deck although cabin crew can gain entry in an emergency. However, this emergency access can be over-ridden by the pilot for between five to 20 minutes.”
It’s now being reported that Lubitz had a prior history of depression. If he was suicidal, taking 149 other people with him is an act of cruelty. The motivation, since they were strangers has to be blaming ‘life’ and humanity for his problems.
If so, anyone want to bet that he wasn’t a liberal who, all too typically, refused to take personal responsibility for his life?
oops, that’s “Daily Mail”
Geoffrey Britain:
See my new post above.
Not that I can shed much light on anything.
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