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Raising a gender-neutral child

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Another article in the “unfortunately, not the Onion” category.

This is where PC thought takes us, ultimately:

Once my partner and I finally stopped orchestrating schemes, we actually did something that stuck. We never planned on not teaching our son gender pronouns, it just happened. Once he started trying to talk and would point to a random person on the street with a question mark on his face, we’d say, “Oh, that’s a person”, as opposed to, “that’s a man/woman or girl/boy”. When he actually started being able to verbally ask about people, we’d either tell him the person’s name or we’d say it’s a person and groups of persons were people.

At two and a half the terms: his, her, he, she, woman, man, girl, boy are not part of his vocabulary.

These parents (we know the writer is a woman, because in the article she refers to her pregnancy, but we don’t know the sex of the other parent whom she refers to as her partner, relentlessly avoiding any gender-revealing pronouns) obviously subscribe to the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis of language: “holding that the structure of a language affects the perceptions of reality of its speakers and thus influences their thought patterns and worldviews.” If we don’t mention girls and boys, men and women, they don’t exist, or they don’t exist in quite the same way they would if we named them as such.

Parents have a lot of freedom to raise their children as they see fit, provided they don’t molest, beat, or starve them. There are more subtle forms of mistreatment, though—including being so far out in la-la land that you don’t recognize some of the basics of our society and every other society that has ever been (as far as I know), which is the recognition of gender differences.

The author writes, “the long term implications of this are yet to be seen,” and it’s possible her son will be just fine with it. It’s possible he’ll consider it one of mom’s (or mom and dad’s, or mom and mom’s) amusing peccadilloes, a harmless eccentricity on the order of setting the table with the fork and spoon reversed, or banning candy from the house, something that can be made up for later as parental influence wanes and the wider world becomes dominant. It’s possible he’ll end up in a therapist’s office screaming what crazy parents he had and how they harmed him. It’s possible he’ll become a proud professor of gender studies and spread the word about what a wonderful way this is to raise kids.

It’s possible this is the wave of the future. Somehow, I don’t think so. Is it child abuse? In my opinion, yes, but not in any actionable, legal sense. One consoling thought is that most (although not all) parents who hold similarly rigid ideas that lead to strange social experiments with their children slowly learn, as those children grow older, that life and culture have a way of intervening, and that it might be time to lighten up. Another is that many (not all) children are more resilient than we think.

As for this particular child, I wish him luck. He‘ll need it.

[Hat tip: Bryan Preston.]

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Raising a gender-neutral child — 44 Comments

  1. what your seeing are all the progressions from the ideas once accepted to their full fruit..

    [this all was the product of the feminist movement. want to see? i can show you what they were writing.. i still put forth that feminists are unfit mothers as they are willing to do this to their children – traditional women do not do this to their children… and men who are not emasculated by fear and feminism also oppose such – but i guess better to be a part of your freaky kids life than not be a part of it at all, which is what his choise is. so he cant even stop it once momma wants it… ]

    what you dont get is that its not only parents but schools that do this, and sometimes the parents are caught in the middle, with a child that is doing what school is teachihng, and parents are afraid to violate it. reminds me of my grandfathers talks about living in nazi territory and also under stalin.

    no, stalin did not make boys dress up (As far as i know, thoughu some of hitlers crew might have), its just that under a totalitarian regime, the wacky ideas of the dominant nut job are, as stalin coined, normalized… whatever they may be… so with hitler something was normalized that kim jong had no use for having a homgeneous country…

    you realize that your way way too late other than to detail the last moments of our old ways? there is no way to stop this as there are not enough youngins who are anti soviet/nazi/progressive to do so. even worse… you have not kept up and did what i said, list things. obama is taking over the news, he has been replacing generals, and on and on… the point you find out its a dictatorship, is the point you cant win or prevent it, before that, they wont alert you so they win.

    all this stuff is is a social test.
    like putting a thermometer in a roast..
    if people are living it and they are self inforcing, then maybe the roast is ready to take out of the oven. maybe they have reached the critical point where opposition is futile…

  2. It’s not going to work. He’s going to learn gender pronouns from television and the people around him. Which is for the best.

  3. “At two and a half the terms: his, her, he, she, woman, man, girl, boy are not part of his vocabulary.”

    So, they are actually admitting to stupidizing their child? Geesh.

  4. all this is the ideas and sourced from franz boas, meade, kinsey, and friedan… and their little joke on society

    its led to this below…
    and more…
    you just dont keep up with it until its way too late
    (you have to nip it when ambigious, as when your sure, you can be sure its too late)

    here is a woman (a feminist racialist antiheteronormative) who thinks that totalitarian control over thinking preserves academic freedom better

    even more interesting, she is pretending to be a conservative who wants what liberals want while pretending the opposition is liberal… (see piaget primer as to child psychology)

    http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-red-line/article/2014/2/18/academic-freedom-justice/?page=single#

    Instead, I would like to propose a more rigorous standard: one of “academic justice.” When an academic community observes research promoting or justifying oppression, it should ensure that this research does not continue.

    The power to enforce academic justice comes from students, faculty, and workers organizing together to make our universities look as we want them to do. Two years ago, when former summer school instructor Subramanian Swamy published hateful commentary about Muslims in India, the Harvard community organized to ensure that he would not return to teach on campus. I consider that sort of organizing both appropriate and commendable.

    so much like the hitler youth pushing blood nd soil to return ladns to the natives… its just that she cant see she is on the nazi side, femnazi, but nazi… (the reaosn is that they copied the nazi movement and methods and still use them. in a second she is going to propose social justice a la acadmia)

    Does Government Professor Harvey Mansfield have the legal right to publish a book in which he claims that “to resist rape a woman needs … a certain ladylike modesty?” Probably. Do I think he should do that? No, and I would happily organize with other feminists on campus to stop him from publishing further sexist commentary under the authority of a Harvard faculty position. “Academic freedom” might permit such an offensive view of rape to be published; academic justice would not.

    totalitarians…

    only women can stop this
    the same way that only blacks can stop the knockout game as any response from whites will be what?

    any patrirchal move to save society or the kids from being freakazoids cause women are wacky without male limits (sorry, but now i beleive this as they have no comon sense, forsight and can be brived to hurt their own children for nothing – thats dysfunctional to me).

    so… until women mobalize to stop the nazi women from voting in totalitarianism (as that is why matriarchy was chosen… hitler showed the way!)

    until she gets what she wants
    totalitarianism..
    she wont understand she dont want it

    which is why, all your showing are the symptooms of the later stages before the state puts its foot down to return the society to a more moral and sane state.

    kind of like letting criminals go free to justify locking us all down..

    perhaps 2017 will be the 1917 for the US?

  5. Still having a spirited debate with a coworker on this. He says: to each their own. I say: That’s NAMBLA’s argument.

  6. It’s like the Greek sophists who believed that reality was just a matter of perception. Change peoples perception and reality changes. Todays Sophists claim that reality is just a social construction. You can determine if something is real by an opinion poll. If enough people believe in global warming, then it must be real.

  7. I see this as a sort of Munchausen by Proxy, because this is really about the parents and not their son. The entire article is about her need purge gender from her son’s life (though it’s interesting she also banned clothes with “all-star” and “champ,” huh?). She’s inviting us to appreciate her bold, innovative approach to parenting – not her kid.

    I really didn’t see much awareness of what her son wants or thinks of all this, or any recognition of the issues this may cause out in the real world (just wait until he learns a foreign language).

    Funny thing about kids, they assert their independence and develop their own opinions regardless of your efforts to mold them into a more perfect mini-me. Bet this one has the mother of all teenage rebellions.

  8. I’m with Ray on this. Reality will intrude. Haven’t we as a society been down this route before – that gender is a societal construct? And haven’t we seen that little boys will still play with guns and swords even if they have to use their hands as make believe weapons?

  11. I just spent some time reading the comments on that piece. Most of them are by people with their heads screwed on right.

    And from the author herself, this comment makes me think her little boy will be just fine, despite her efforts at “gender-bending”:

    I live in Amsterdam now and my son is going to an all Dutch daycare. He knows personal pronouns in both languages but hasn’t learned gender pronouns in Dutch yet.

  12. The Journal of Social, Political, and Economic Studies , Vol. 34, No. 2

    Ruth Benedict
    Margaret Mead
    Ashley Montagu
    Kenneth Clarke
    Alfred Kroeber

    Franz Boas’ role in shaping twentieth century American anthropology is well known, but less well known is his commitment to radical politics.

    His political biases have been less thoroughly investigated. While traditional Marxism sought to advance its goals by way of violent revolution ostensibly vitalized by the “proletariat,” the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci (1897-1931) realized that a Marxist egalitarian goals could be more effectively advanced by infiltrating and taking control of the existing institutional structure of a society. In the course of a thorough study of Boas’ correspondence, the author concludes that there is clear evidence that Boas was an effective convert to Gramscian Marxism and one of its most successful exponents.

    After consolidating a hegemonic position in the discipline of anthropology in the United States, Franz Boas (1858-1942) devoted his later years to deploying his “scientific” authority as a means to facilitate radical political-social transformation. During the 1930s, he functioned as perhaps the most effective movement Stalinist, arguably more useful than an overt party member. In the process, the search for truth was sacrificed for the exigencies of political power. Much information contained in this article is based on the Boas correspondence provided to the author by the American Philosophical Society and the University of British Columbia.

    but we are about 50 years too late…

    Boas was able to place those to whom he awarded doctoral degrees in key positions in major universities around the country as these began to recognize anthropology as a separate discipline. In this way he was able to craft an academic network that dominated and largely continues to dominate the profession, leading him to be known as “the father of American Anthropology.” Famous Boasian students included Ruth Benedict, Margaret Mead, Ashley Montagu, Kenneth Clarke, and Alfred Kroeber (the rapporteur who drafted the academically absurd UNESCO 1950 Statement on Race). By awarding doctoral degrees to these and other students who absorbed his views, Boas was able to pursue a Gramscian strategy of infiltrating and capturing culture-forming institutions as a base for eventual political transformation.

    who wants to go back to the 1920s and 1930s to understand what these people were doing?

    i look here and i see people trying to ascribe the current situation to some natural flow… munchausen by proxy…

    no…

    all it is is people trying to do the right thing
    and others telling them the wrong thing is the right thing, for if they do that, the place collapses and they can then do what with it? make utopian totalitarianism..

    bad advice as a passive agressive version of sociopathic war

    meade is who made the science for the culture we live in.. the sexualization of children.. (and kinsey).

    they were the ones that set the postion on race and all that, and made sure the teachers college at collumbia infected the whole area of sciecne. (heck, they had to drop anthropology in favor of evolutionary psychology to get read info)

    just explore the quotes of these people…

  13. Ruth Benedict

    The purpose of anthropology is to make the world safe for human differences.
    Ruth Benedict

    and isnt making everyone the same a way to make it safe for differences? they dont exist, so they are safe.

    on feminisms fetish for work:
    I haven’t strength of mind not to need a career.
    Ruth Benedict

    The idea is to die young as late as possible.
    Ashley Montagu

    The natural superiority of women is a biological fact, and a socially acknowledged reality.
    Ashley Montagu
    [note she believes this cause women are smart enough to WANT hitler or stalin to help them!!!]

    Girls marry for love. Boys marry because of a chronic irritation that causes them to gravitate in the direction of objects with certain curvilinear properties. Ashley Montagu
    [while trying to put down males, she puts down women more… if men are animals, why would women want them for mates?]

    By virtue of being born to humanity, every human being has a right to the development and fulfillment of his potentialities as a human being.
    Ashley Montagu
    [which is why abortion is so important… but that doesnt jive with picking winners and losers, does it?]

    did i mention that Ashley is man?

    Anthropology is the most humanistic of the sciences and the most scientific of the humanities.
    Alfred L. Kroeber

    and humanism is just another form/name of commnism (though many humnists would object)

    basically, if you didnt oppose them for 50 years… they established the unchangeable facts of science…

    heck, kinsey made psychopathic criminals the norm, and the norm sick… but then again… he liked to put a toothbrush up his penis for fun and watch prisoners masturbate babies for research. mengele and him would have a great time.. .

  14. Attempts to define away recognition of biological reality are ultimately doomed to failure. The greater the reality denied, the greater the eventual cost paid.

    For any that might have missed it, here’s some scientific confirmation of what all but those in denial already know; How men’s brains are wired differently than women’s

    This isn’t really about denial of obvious differences though, rather its about power. And the struggle for power isn’t between those for whom power is not a goal but between those for whom power is the goal.

  15. I call BS. There’s no way a two and a half year child’s only exposure to the terms “man” and “woman” (or he or she, etc.) comes from when a parent uses those terms in reference to a person crossing the street. Gender pronouns are obviously used in normal conversation all the time. If their child doesn’t already know that “he” and “she, or “man” and “woman” refer to different kinds of people, then the child is either deaf or retarded. Rather than brag about this, the parents should be seeking help from an appropriate medical or psychological professional.

  16. Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn. Words of Warning to the Western World

    i remember when he gave the speeech
    i was nine years old, and had to read it
    every latvian i know has the gulag archipeligo
    my uncle arthur, survived the gulag and we had talks
    he was mising a leg which he lost when a tank ran over him…

    “Workers of the world unite!” Who of us has not heard this slogan, which has been sounding through the world for 125 years? Today you can find it in any Soviet pamphlet as well as in every issue of Pravda. But never have the leaders of the Communist revolution in the Soviet Union made application of these words sincerely and in their full meaning. When many lies have accumulated over the decades, we forget the radical and basic lie which is not on the leaves of the tree, but at its very roots.

    and that is the same thing as my description of people trying to discuss this as if everything flows natural and no one has injected things into it, despite the open history and admitting to doing so (or discovering it later).

    while discussing this much later thing, we forget the source of the leaves and the tree to its root.

    for a decade i been trying to get you guys to look at the roots, and forget the leaves… leaves are like hydras heads and are disposable.. you may think the tree is dead, but it grows new leaves all the time.

    you dont pull dandelions by the leaves and expect them not to return from the deep roots

    and this will never reverse course because we been letting it go way too long… it was NEVER a questio of if, but a quesiton of when… (once the women decided to trade the believe in oppressive man and husbands for a better bigger stronger man called the state)

    to read this warning is to read what is going on now, but of course differently..

    I repeat, this was March 1918 – only four months after the October Revolution – and all the representatives of the Petrograd factories were cursing the Communists, who had deceived them in all of their promises. What is more, not only had they abandoned Petrograd to cold and hunger, themselves having fled from Petrograd to Moscow, but had given orders to machine-gun the crowds of workers in the courtyards of the factories who were demanding the election of independent factory committees

    the point is the lies..
    the killing comes later…
    sniper rounds or hollow points? dont matter ther eis enough to kill everyone a few times over now…
    and camps… and militarized police with tanks and such… and they taze and torture citizens and so on..

    the brutal class is about to be let go (the thugs beating up people i told yo about already, and you didn not connect the knockout game with the thugs the soviets let out and the germans let out that stirred up the popuation and created the conditions to act )

    but from the get go, its all lies to power.
    i quoted everything i could…
    from kennans long telegram to pol sci papers, quotes, and on and on…

    but it was like farting in a tornado

    before the Revolution the head of the Communist Party of Russia was Shliapnikov – not Lenin… (i wonder if obama knows this?)

    Since that time, the working class has never been able to stand up for its rights, and in distinction from all the western countries our working class only receives what they hand out to it. It only gets handouts. It cannot defend its simplest, everyday interests, and the least strike for pay or for better living conditions is viewed as counter-revolutionary.

    sound familiar? shutting down debate now that the one won? putting inspectors in news rooms? using the organs of state as weapons against the people? violating the constitition?

    and yet, we look for some hint of truth to tell us we are wrong and that we will wake up and it will be ok

    the germans thought that way
    the russians never had a chance against the latvian rifle corps who held back all the other armies of europe and reserved russia for sliapnakov and lennin and stalin, who later betrayed them and executed them.

    ie. what can make it happen has to be removed and neutralized afterwards, after gleichshaltung is done, you have to remove the scaffolding… the people who made it happen who were not part of it but beig used, they are eliminated to prevent the counter revolution

    When liberal thinkers and wise men of the West, who had forgotten the meaning of the word “liberty,” were swearing that in the Soviet Union there were no concentration camps at all, the American Federation of Labor, published in 1947, a map of our concentration camps, and on behalf of all of the prisoners of those times, I want to thank the American workers’ movement for this

    they are and have alwys been in denial of reality
    especially when its part of what they do they cant face
    but note, the leaders CAN face it!!! even if the fools they use cant… stalin took great glee in signing deathwarrants and making up numbers to go after

    But just as we feel ourselves your allies here, there also exists another alliance…..this is the alliance between our Communist leaders and your capitalists.

    been trying to tell you, from him, to dodd, to who is doign what… its a group of the wealthy, like soros.. which is why they dont oppose it… they ARE it..

    This alliance is not new. The very famous Armand Hammer, who is flourishing here today, laid the basis for this when he made the first exploratory trip into Russia, still in Lenin’s time, in the very first years of the Revolution. He was extremely successful in this intelligence mission and since that time for all these 50 years, we observe continuous and steady support by the businessmen of the West of the Soviet Communist leaders.

    koch brothers know this history, so which side are they on having lived it?

    soros? how about buffet? Gates?
    Zukerberg (whose favebook was funded by who?)
    what about the funding for the boas group research to prove things needed to mold the population?

    its all there fo you to read, yet most make crap up and pretend to know things… making up reality is not erudition, its fantasy to replace history one is lacking

    I must say that Lenin foretold this whole process. Lenin, who spent most of his life in the West and not in Russia, who knew the West much better than Russia, always wrote and said that the western capitalists would do anything to strengthen the economy of the USSR. They will compete with each other to sell us goods cheaper and sell them quicker, so that the Soviets will buy from one rather than from the other. He said: They will bring it themselves without thinking about their future. And, in a difficult moment, at a party meeting in Moscow, he said: “Comrades, don’t panic, when things go very hard for us, we will give a rope to the bourgeoisie, and the bourgeoisie will hang itself.”
    Then, Karl Radek, whom you may have heard of, who was a very resourceful wit, said: “Vladimir Ilyich, but where are we going to get enough rope to hang the whole bourgeoisie?”
    Lenin effortlessly replied, “They’ll supply us with it.”

    they are LESS experienced and dumber today
    at least in the past they had common sense to learn from people who knew more, and had experience, now fantasy trumps experience in terms of debate over reality and nothing useful comes of it.

    the gender neutral boy has been hung.
    without identity, he wont have a family
    in a war, he cant fight
    in society, he will be disruptive and a malcontent
    in society, he is a weapon of the other.

    i would recommend reading the rest of it
    but given the attention spans of the people who dont like long textx, its probably out of their reach…

    to long and hard…

    reminds me of phil ochs and kitty genovese.

    look outside the window
    theres a woman being grabbed
    they drag her to the bushes
    and now shes being stabbed
    maybe we should call a cop
    and try to stop the pain
    but monopoly is so much fun
    we would hate to blow the game
    and i am sure it woudlnt interest
    anybody
    outside of a small circle of friends.
    -phil ochs, pleasures of the harbor, small circle of friends.

  17. Rather than brag about this, the parents should be seeking help from an appropriate medical or psychological professional.

    but its the professionals they changed first
    so when they do that, the parents are told to help the kid not fix the kid like you think…

    which is why ipointedout that this was first to go through the academia and medical area, then the common man would have noi place to turn to to resist as the medical the industry and the state all say this is what is right and proper..

    dont you see them going after home schooled?
    why? because that would do an end aroudn to central planning and were they have already deemed that unconnected child to end up.

    you sould read the links i gaev to how the soviets, and the nazis used medicine for power.

    with kinsey, mead, and the army of 50 years, you can have a hard time trying to find a doc who wold be on your side.

    even more so now that children are owned by the state under parens patria, and parents are just wards who have to raise them for the state and be responsible, but have little say any more as to much about them…

    (you sh ould see the textbooks… and dontr forget how many genders facebook now has)
    http://www.takepart.com/article/2014/02/18/facebook-announces-50-new-gender-options

  19. Adequatio res et intellectus or chaos and destruction. That’s the only choice.

    This woman is a child abuser. The child should be taken from her. She’s a monster.

  20. Let’s try to not to avoid using person descriptive adjectives when writing about people like this, and just refer to them by what they are – idiots. Our society will benefit from the honesty. These are the same women (sorry, I mean persons with boobs) who breast feed their kids until they’re 13 or so.
    A related question- where do you suppose this idiot parent sends its child to pee in a public restroom? The persons with weiners room? If this poor kid turns out normal, it will be a miracle.

  21. Totally agree with you (and others here) Neo. This IS child abuse. As you say, it isn’t the kind that is outright abuse; but treating the child as some sort of social experiment (and even though she claims that they didn’t plan on it being so, they are now consciously doing so) tells me that this “mother” needs psychological help.
    A close friend of mine several years ago had decided that when her daughter was born she was going to do something similar – raise her daughter without all the little girl stereotypes. And no way was her daughter going be exposed to “that Barbie crap.”

    Well, guess what, her daughter has quite a large collection of Barbies. Why? Because, despite her feminist leanings, she is still a mother who cares deeply for her daughter and admits that she just couldn’t say no when her daughter loves Barbie and Barbie stuff so much. She even helps her daughter dress up as Barbie for Halloween.

  22. Is this so the Left can supply their homosexual squads with more little boys, given that the Catholics have shut off the supply lines on that venue?

  25. ymarsajar: I expect more from you. If you bothered to review the facts of the Church’s Gay problem you would find the following:
    1) Those that covered things up were “hired hands” not shepherds to the flock. Also to a man, they supported the Dems and all their liberal policies.
    2) All the state run institutions have the same problem with wolves in sheep’s clothing. But the public schools and social programs have written the laws to that there is an 18-24 month time-frame to bring charges. Somewhat different than the 30 yr window that they held the church too. Also as best as I can remember it, the normal % of perverts in these state run institutions is about 3% while the perverts in the church was about 1.5%. Also just for the record, most of those innocents that were molested were pre-teen or teenagers. These would normally be classed as homosexual encounters but that would offend our PC Media hence the classifying of them as pedophiles. So while I agree with your basic comment, get your facts straight about the Catholics.

  27. OT: I hereby apologize for all the verbose (and artless?) posts I have made on this site and promise to be more thoughtful.

    On topic: Lizzy (3:07 PM) is right!

  29. If you bothered to review the facts of the Church’s Gay problem you would find the following:

    I warrant I’ve reviewed the Left’s operation against the Catholic Church more than you have.

    And your problem with that is…. what exactly?

  30. I can’t believe you missed the inference, Neo, from Tonofwanda!

    Artless! As in Artfldgr.

    But to the point at hand:

    When power swings to the amoral, the ungodly, the unchurched, then the Mafia becomes mainstream and insanity sane and the production of goods and services necessary to sustain nation, state, community, family and finally individual . . . well that production is squeezed and becomes more expensive and finally is directed only to those in power.

    (Not as good as a KW first sentence, but he is the master, after all.)

  31. While I have a great deal of tolerance for consenting adult homosexuals, and can understand that (rarely) individuals may be confused about their gender identify; 2 year olds are not cognizant of gender identity, period and you can keep your gender identity if you like it. This particular case is simply a matter of left wing wacko lesbians abusing a child to put forward their agenda. The child needs to be adopted by a sane heterosexual family, and the lesbians should be shunned, tarred, feathered, and mounted on a rail. Keep the baby and throw the ‘parents’ and the bath water to Uganda.

  33. Some enterprising conservative filmmaker should follow this child’s journey growing up. Just touch base once per year to document the likely train-wreck that will be his life.

  34. Well, for starters, let’s address this “incubator” as an It.

    Then we can smuggle in some Munsters videos to the little boy to show him what “Cousin It” looks like. 😉

    “It” sounds like a narcissist on steroids.

  36. Any government with the authority to take kids away, will also use it on heterosexuals. Since there’s more of those families around to terrorize.

  37. Reminds me of recent news about Lefty Rosie O’Donnell’s oldest son Parker: he’s just joined the military. Apparently he didn’t do it to hurt her, he just wanted to give back to a country that allowed him to be adopted by someone like Rosie. As expected, she does not understand.

  38. I actually think it’s kind of hilarious that this mother (oops, there I go being gender-specific) think that after AGE 2 this kid’s vocabulary is going to continue to bend to her wishes in the future.

    Obviously a first-time parent. I would love to be a fly on the wall and listen to him talk at his future play dates, preschool, little league, etc. This woman (oops! sorry again) will twist herself into knots and wonder where she went wrong.

    Heh.

  39. Sgt. Walter Ehlers, WWII Medal of Honor Recipient, Dies at 92
    rip…

    🙁

    once obamacare an feminism and redistribution gets rid of the old population, then these gender bending copies of german liberal arts cabarets will run the place…

    (it wont get that far… we will ahve a world war, and our country wont be able to fight. take your pick, korea, senkakus, ukraine, belarus, serbia, etc…)

  40. we are like the people books of farenheit 451
    when we go, the past goes with us, and the memory of freedom, and what it was like to lie without the state up your butt…

    we missed the message by getting into the story too much

    each of us are like a book…
    each has a universe and a story…
    we tell our lives to each other
    except when we are isolated by the state
    which is the only thing that can actaully isolate us

    burning books is a metaphore to burning the knowlege of the past…. (and a few dreams of the future – which iss what science fiction is… stories set in the future rather than the familiar past)

    “We need not to be let alone. We need to be really bothered once in a while. How long is it since you were really bothered? About something important, about something real?”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    if books represent the past…..

    “There must be something in books, something we can’t imagine, to make a woman stay in a burning house; there must be something there. You don’t stay for nothing.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    “The books are to remind us what asses and fool we are. They’re Caeser’s praetorian guard, whispering as the parade roars down the avenue, “Remember, Caeser, thou art mortal.” Most of us can’t rush around, talking to everyone, know all the cities of the world, we haven’t time, money or that many friends. The things you’re looking for, Montag, are in the world, but the only way the average chap will ever see ninety-nine per cent of them is in a book. Don’t ask for guarantees. And don’t look to be saved in any one thing, person, machine, or library. Do your own bit of saving, and if you drown, at least die knowing you were headed for shore.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    “Don’t ask for guarantees. And don’t look to be saved in any one thing, person, machine, or library. Do your own bit of saving, and if you drown, at least die knowing you were heading for shore.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    “I don’t talk things, sir. I talk the meaning of things.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    “The terrible tyranny of the majority.”
    ― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

    “If you don’t want a man unhappy politically, don’t give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the government is inefficient, top-heavy, and tax-mad, better it be all those than that people worry over it. Peace, Montag. Give the people contests they win by remembering the words to more popular songs or the names of state capitals or how much corn Iowa grew last year. Cram them full of noncombustible data, chock them so damned full of ‘facts’ they feel stuffed, but absolutely ‘brilliant’ with information. Then they’ll feel they’re thinking, they’ll get a sense of motion without moving. And they’ll be happy, because facts of that sort don’t change.”

    what have we become…

  41. given that the Catholics have shut off the supply lines on that venue?

    Taking a guess, Mike would like to find something to hate and disagree with me on a point and this is what he is left to take.

    Are you really going to disagree with me on this Mike, and try to claim that the Catholics have not shut off their supply to the Left’s homosexuals on this matter?

    Really now.

  42. This reminds me, first, of the story of that medieval king who had a child raised in complete isolation to see if it would grow up speaking Hebrew, which was thought to be the original, instinctive language of human beings.

    Second, it reminds me of the gender-neutral pronoun that some wag came up with when the whole thing was first brought up– “he or she, it”– to be abbreviated h’or’sh’it.

    I strongly suspect this child will follow your ideological path, neo. A person can have only so much ideology crammed down their throat by their parents before they explode.

  43. The problem is that her child is a little over 2, so when he “points at” someone with “a question on his face” it’s because he notices the differences. I also find it hilarious that Mommy is a black woman living in Amsterdam, so no doubt he’s also noticing that there are also differences in skin, hair, etc. If she believes that gender is a social construct (as she says in her replies to comments), then she must admit that “race” is the biggest construct of all; e.g. I remember British writing around the Irish “race” and the French “race.”

    As for the gender of pronouns etc., it reminds me all too much of a classmate I had who told me that Spanish was “sexist” while she learning it. Yet she was supposedly open-minded about culture and diversity, and utterly ignorant that all the Indo-European family of languages had gender. Even Old English had grammatical gender.

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