The adult world can be so difficult; it just isn’t fair. Can’t the government do something about that?
I think York is right on. I am not one of those who applaud him for recognizing the errors in his thinking, nor for “growing into a CinC”. He was not drafted into the job, and there is no reason to give him a pass for being ignorant about the issues. His instincts are clearly bizarre; and he goes counter to them only after reality forces him to do so. I am relieved when he eventually, sort of faces up to reality. Still, he has done real harm with his inane rhetoric; and he cannot repair that.
I don’t give the fools who supported him a pass for his “ignorance” either. I am probably more disgusted with them then with him. After all, it did not take extraordinary perception to recognize that he is a pure Politician with no other foundation, and is going to do what political animals do; just as all predators do what they do.
No points for Obama’s pragmatism and learning ability from me either.
I mean, I’m glad he’s good enough to swerve away from driving us into a brick wall this time, but mainly I’m just annoyed at the 53% of our citizens who thought to themselves, “You know what? Obama sounds so smart, I think I’ll vote for him even though he’s never run anything besides a political campaign.”
Oh, lord, now *that’s* reaching. So if he didn’t promise to do it, then, what? That he didn’t pay attention to a festering sore that slimed us all?
“The festering sore” has only become that because of the libs and the press.I would guarantee you that 90% of Americans spend very little time contemplating Gitmo.It was just something to bash Bush with.
And now that O is Pres. they can use it to make him seem so compassionate.Horse feathers.
If they use my money to build another facility just so O can close the “festering sore” I will be really angry.
I promise you that if O never mentioned it again, the whole issue would drop from sight and Voila….no more “festering sore”.
S. Graham I have written to both of my Senators, Dimocrats unfortunately, to protest expending funds to build or upgrade a detention facility in the U.S., just so Obama can keep an irresponsible pledge to close Gitmo.
I know it is futile, but it makes me feel a wee bit better.
I just read on another site that the Administration plans to use surrogate interrogators. Renditions? Of course not. Enhanced interrogation techniques? Don’t be silly. Hypocrisy thy name is Obama.
I’m with huxley in my disgust with the 53%. A lot of the 53% include educators at all levels who have played a critical role in making sure our kids do not know about things like the principles of our civilization and our government. So, we have created large swaths of two generations of Americans who have more sympathy for our enemies than they do for their own country.
And is becoming distressingly apparent that when Obama’s campaign positions are contradicted by his performance as president, he trots out the excuse “I was given this mess by my predecessor.” And it’s an excuse, not a reason. I presume that people voted for Obama (I didn’t) because they believed his policies would fix the problem. Of course, as your post points out, it was all a lot of talk.
BILL, it’s hard to understand what you are talking about. Your comment is composed of an unsupported opinion about an undefined antecedent, followed by two rhetorical questions full of negative conditional statements and a disturbing metaphor. That’s not the way we make arguments around here.
I think you are saying, “It is OK that Obama made irresponsible promises about closing Gitmo because it was symbolically important to do so.” I say irresponsible because he advocated decisions, and said they are “easy,” when he didn’t have responsibility that he is unwilling to take now that he has responsibility.
Obama says his middle name is Hussein – I am more and more inclined to believe it is Pandora and now he is in possession of the “box”
“I think York is right on. I am not one of those who applaud him for recognizing the errors in his thinking, nor for “growing into a CinC”.”
You know, to me the *really* irritating thing is that Bush did A,B, and C (fill in the blanks there – it doesn’t really matter much) and refused to do D, E, and F no matter what. He was therefore a stubborn short sighted individual who cared nothing for this country. The he did those also shows his inability to think through his actions.
Obama comes along and says he is going to do D, E, and F – people go crazy happy, Turns out though that those thing not only do not work well but are detrimental. After a long deep thought session he decides A, B, and C are the way to go. Cue adoration for flexible thinking and ability to see the correct path.
As said, I’m happy Obama learned that those are the correct ways – but wouldn’t we have been better off -as Bush obviously did – he had realized that his ideas were stupid in the first place and did the right thing (which are the actions Bush took)? I see little to admire in someone And yet, Bush is *still* wrong for doing what Obama now says is the right thing because he needed to be “flexible”.
Its not being flexible to drink poison because someone else thinks it is good for you. While we are happy when someone figures out later on that poison is bad for you we normally do not admire people who drink it before hand either. In this case many are thinking the best course of action is to drink the poison until it is obvious it harms you and then do the right thing.
Of course this type of thinking becomes *really* easy when you start caring what letter is after someone’s name more than anything else, or what color their skin is, or what accent they talk with, or any other number of things that have *nothing* to do with how effective a president they would make. It then turns out that whatever actions that group espouses is *obviously* the right one at the time and you work backwards from there.
I remember Carter saying something like, “Dang! Ya know what? You really can’t trust the Russians!” after they invaded Afghanistan. Kudos to him for learning on the job. Too bad he dragged America along on his trip to cloud coo-coo land; that started us down the road where a generation and thousands of deaths later we are still fighting what was born back then. I wonder what Obama hath wrought?
See that’s what I love about this site – an applicable reference to Aristophones.
Yeah, ‘inflexible’ (translation: won’t do it my way) is the new ‘I feel’.
That he didn’t pay attention to a festering sore that slimed us all?
Hey — I will not have you talking about the Bay Area like that.
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The adult world can be so difficult; it just isn’t fair. Can’t the government do something about that?
I think York is right on. I am not one of those who applaud him for recognizing the errors in his thinking, nor for “growing into a CinC”. He was not drafted into the job, and there is no reason to give him a pass for being ignorant about the issues. His instincts are clearly bizarre; and he goes counter to them only after reality forces him to do so. I am relieved when he eventually, sort of faces up to reality. Still, he has done real harm with his inane rhetoric; and he cannot repair that.
I don’t give the fools who supported him a pass for his “ignorance” either. I am probably more disgusted with them then with him. After all, it did not take extraordinary perception to recognize that he is a pure Politician with no other foundation, and is going to do what political animals do; just as all predators do what they do.
No points for Obama’s pragmatism and learning ability from me either.
I mean, I’m glad he’s good enough to swerve away from driving us into a brick wall this time, but mainly I’m just annoyed at the 53% of our citizens who thought to themselves, “You know what? Obama sounds so smart, I think I’ll vote for him even though he’s never run anything besides a political campaign.”
Oh, lord, now *that’s* reaching. So if he didn’t promise to do it, then, what? That he didn’t pay attention to a festering sore that slimed us all?
“The festering sore” has only become that because of the libs and the press.I would guarantee you that 90% of Americans spend very little time contemplating Gitmo.It was just something to bash Bush with.
And now that O is Pres. they can use it to make him seem so compassionate.Horse feathers.
If they use my money to build another facility just so O can close the “festering sore” I will be really angry.
I promise you that if O never mentioned it again, the whole issue would drop from sight and Voila….no more “festering sore”.
S. Graham I have written to both of my Senators, Dimocrats unfortunately, to protest expending funds to build or upgrade a detention facility in the U.S., just so Obama can keep an irresponsible pledge to close Gitmo.
I know it is futile, but it makes me feel a wee bit better.
I just read on another site that the Administration plans to use surrogate interrogators. Renditions? Of course not. Enhanced interrogation techniques? Don’t be silly. Hypocrisy thy name is Obama.
I’m with huxley in my disgust with the 53%. A lot of the 53% include educators at all levels who have played a critical role in making sure our kids do not know about things like the principles of our civilization and our government. So, we have created large swaths of two generations of Americans who have more sympathy for our enemies than they do for their own country.
And is becoming distressingly apparent that when Obama’s campaign positions are contradicted by his performance as president, he trots out the excuse “I was given this mess by my predecessor.” And it’s an excuse, not a reason. I presume that people voted for Obama (I didn’t) because they believed his policies would fix the problem. Of course, as your post points out, it was all a lot of talk.
BILL, it’s hard to understand what you are talking about. Your comment is composed of an unsupported opinion about an undefined antecedent, followed by two rhetorical questions full of negative conditional statements and a disturbing metaphor. That’s not the way we make arguments around here.
I think you are saying, “It is OK that Obama made irresponsible promises about closing Gitmo because it was symbolically important to do so.” I say irresponsible because he advocated decisions, and said they are “easy,” when he didn’t have responsibility that he is unwilling to take now that he has responsibility.
Obama says his middle name is Hussein – I am more and more inclined to believe it is Pandora and now he is in possession of the “box”
“I think York is right on. I am not one of those who applaud him for recognizing the errors in his thinking, nor for “growing into a CinC”.”
You know, to me the *really* irritating thing is that Bush did A,B, and C (fill in the blanks there – it doesn’t really matter much) and refused to do D, E, and F no matter what. He was therefore a stubborn short sighted individual who cared nothing for this country. The he did those also shows his inability to think through his actions.
Obama comes along and says he is going to do D, E, and F – people go crazy happy, Turns out though that those thing not only do not work well but are detrimental. After a long deep thought session he decides A, B, and C are the way to go. Cue adoration for flexible thinking and ability to see the correct path.
As said, I’m happy Obama learned that those are the correct ways – but wouldn’t we have been better off -as Bush obviously did – he had realized that his ideas were stupid in the first place and did the right thing (which are the actions Bush took)? I see little to admire in someone And yet, Bush is *still* wrong for doing what Obama now says is the right thing because he needed to be “flexible”.
Its not being flexible to drink poison because someone else thinks it is good for you. While we are happy when someone figures out later on that poison is bad for you we normally do not admire people who drink it before hand either. In this case many are thinking the best course of action is to drink the poison until it is obvious it harms you and then do the right thing.
Of course this type of thinking becomes *really* easy when you start caring what letter is after someone’s name more than anything else, or what color their skin is, or what accent they talk with, or any other number of things that have *nothing* to do with how effective a president they would make. It then turns out that whatever actions that group espouses is *obviously* the right one at the time and you work backwards from there.
I remember Carter saying something like, “Dang! Ya know what? You really can’t trust the Russians!” after they invaded Afghanistan. Kudos to him for learning on the job. Too bad he dragged America along on his trip to cloud coo-coo land; that started us down the road where a generation and thousands of deaths later we are still fighting what was born back then. I wonder what Obama hath wrought?
See that’s what I love about this site – an applicable reference to Aristophones.
Yeah, ‘inflexible’ (translation: won’t do it my way) is the new ‘I feel’.
Hey — I will not have you talking about the Bay Area like that.