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1. and ones industry was kind of taken over by the left, and so its quality of story has degraded as technology has upgraded the ability to make story!

   the biggest problem was that it was ground zero for children inculcation into edenic movement, Rousseau nobel savage, and so on.

   oh, and the frankfurt schools favorite RE-Imagineering

   ie. how to turn classics everyone loves and that teach and are at a high reading level, to polymorphous perverted po mo things…

   one only has to combine walt disney and edenic and out comes a lot of utopian stuff.

   “After all,” she wrote, “Disney cartoons are a shared cultural heritage that predate Beaver Cleaver and Howdy Doody. They are the beginning of our global media village…. For better or worse, Uncle Walt pioneered the notion of a standard-issue childhood memory.” [pop psychologist]

   and for neo:
   “It is one of the paradoxes of movie business,” wrote film critic Pauline Kael, “that the movies designed expressly for children are generally the ones that frighten them the most. I have never heard children screaming in fear at any of those movies we’re always told they should be protected from as they screamed at Bambi and Dumbo. Bambi’s mother is murdered, Dumbo’s mother is goaded to madness and separated from Dumbo; those movies really hit children where it counts.” Another critic called the death “surely one of the most devastating moments in any movie.” Even horror novelist Stephen King wrote that it was the Disney cartoons, including Bambi, that frightened him most as a child.

   you were not the only child frightens by cartoons nor did you realize that was a major purpose.

   This death scene is central to the film’s antihunting message. (and anti gun message)

   Raymond J. Brown, editor of Outdoor Life, sent Walt Disney a telegram pointing out that it was illegal to shoot deer in the spring.

   ie. hunters and gun rights people wrote to disney prior to the release… in fact, most people dont see disney as ground one for socialist edenic propaganda..

   “once Bambi is raised in status from mere deer to Jesus Whitetail Superstar, man’s hunting of deer becomes a crime comparable to the persecution of Christ.” Field & Stream columnist George Reiger

   On a subliminal level, the Disney version of Bambi motivates opposition to hunting, in part, by representing deer visually as surrogate human children.

   Bambi and the Problem of “Man”
   Humans, although never seen in the film, are the sole source of evil in the Disney view of nature. “‘Bambi’ does have a more vivid sense of evil than any other Disney film,” wrote a movie reviewer, “perhaps because the evil isn’t personified…. The warning issued by Bambi’s mother–‘Man is in the forest’- has the compacting force of a phrase from Brecht.” Another reviewer called this line memorable and intimidating, and recalled that it “still creates shudders.” No wonder that People Weekly listed “Man” among the top movie “Hot Heavies” adding, “That’s the hunter who kills the hero’s mom–the ultimate in dastardly deeds.”

   which is why this edenic view beame americans view. whale wars and now rhino wars are our desire to go save bambis mom… but this movement expanded, and with help from the club of rome and others, became our world view.

   we got to get back to the garden… said CSN and Y

   even the world he created has a tree in it for edenics.
   and the whole of americans get back to blood and soil is a disney versio nof nazi…

   Hunters not only kill Bambi’s mother, they also kill the woodland creatures indiscriminately, their dogs attack Faline, and their fire ravages the forest. The fierce, hungry flames that devour the forest and its creatures become a surrogate for Man that continues and subliminally magnifies the hunters’ destructive hunger for the lives of Bambi and his friends.(35) Hunters are represented virtually as a satanic force. Disney adds to this impression by using crows, circling and cawing ominously over the forest, as dark harbingers of Man.

   At one point, when the deer have gathered together during the long winter, they discuss the nature of Man. The aging deer, Old Nettla, hates Man, saying “He is loathsome!” But young Marena offers, “They say that sometime He’ll come to live with us and be as gentle as we are. He’ll play with us then and the whole forest will be happy, and we’ll be friends with him.” Old Nettla heatedly scoffs at such youthful idealism. “Friends with Him! He’s murdered us ever since we can remember, every one of us, our sisters, our mothers, our brothers! Ever since we came into the world He’s given us no peace…. And now we’re going to be friends with Him. What nonsense!” Nevertheless Marena persists, “‘Love is no nonsense,’ she said. ‘It has to Come.'”

   this was reflected in lots of stuff from the time, and you wont notice it unless you go bak and see.

   in the incredible mr limpet, he turns into a fish, but the lady fish that he cheats on his wife with emotionally, says that it ok he isnt an evil human any more.

   its culmination is the desire to self exterminate to save the world from the self

   http://www.vhemt.org/
   The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

   “May we live long and die out”

   Phasing out the human race by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth’s biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.

   Besides, returning Earth to its natural splendor and ending needless suffering of humanity are happy thoughts–no sense moping around in gloom and doom.

   Roots of VHEMT run as deep as human history. Potential for a voluntary human extinction movement has been around for as long as humans have.

   When Ice Age humans hunted animals to extinction, at least one of the sapient neanderthals among them may have reasoned beyond bewilderment. As the Fertile Crescent became a barren desert, and the Cedars of Lebanon were sacrificed for temples, someone must have thought, “this bodes ill.” When Romans fueled their empire by extracting resources from near and far, surely someone remarked, “Humanus non gratis,” or words to that effect. Someone had to get the idea that the planet would be better off without this busy horde.

   Someone, that is, besides the middle-eastern god, Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah. Tradition tells how, in prehistoric times, this creator-god realized his mistake in making humans and was going to flush us from the system, but in a weak moment he spared one breeding family. Oops! (Genesis 6: 1-22).

   The Story of Atrahasis, an earlier Sumerian myth recorded in Babylonian text, tells of multiple gods conspiring to rid Earth of the bothersome creatures they had molded out of clay. One sneaky god warns a human to build a boat before the flood, and the rest is our history.

   We call The Movement VHEMT, but it’s undoubtedly been given other names throughout history. None have been recorded, as far as we know.

   shakers? no…
   but this is where disney, sanger, marcuse, adorno, freidan, boas, kinsey, chase, and many many more…
   has taken us..

   the world would be better with no humans
   a return to eden…

2. Socialism as we know it today is a social movement that began in earnest in eighteenth century Europe, and is now the organizing principle of many of the world’s political establishments, and by dint of its utopian undercurrents, the faith of much of the world’s population. In its utopian strains it is a loosely bound cultish religion, usually fancying itself strictly secular, but centered cryptically on the biblically revealed premise that humanity once enjoyed a paradise, long since lost. To varying degrees, the modern proponents and adherents of utopian socialism have internalized the ancient mythology specifically, linked only (or mostly) subconsciously to their overt, ostensibly modern programs. They believe they can, through ritual propriety, restore earthly paradise as a new Eden, tended by a benign paternal authority tantamount to that tending the mythical Eden. This monotheistic messianism has been largely transmuted into faith in central government, and eventually, world government, acting as an omnipotent, omniscient, infallible savior, empowered by ideologically regimented voters.

   Since the climax of the Enlightenment in the 1700s, the remarkable and heretofore relentless advance of technology has increasingly led nations and their political leaders to believe themselves exempt from the actual and accustomed constraints of nature. Popular society sees only the results of technology, not the gritty industrial effort that led to it, and wholly lacks the mental capacity or inclination to understand technology in its existential reality. Thus, to most of society, technology is magic, having no natural bounds. This fallacy leads people to believe that utopia – particularly, a condition of universal and eternal hedonistic fulfillment, an artificial heaven on earth with no illness, no conflict, no competition, no striving, and no social or economic disparities – is a credible, realistic goal, and a sustainable arrangement for society.

   The utopian impulse toward centralized government, and conviction that technology has no natural bounds, culminate in the multifarious fallacy that all social problems (all discontent) can be resolved by a centralized government and credit establishment directing enormous sums to those who promise the technologies expected to solve the problems. With such lavish rewards on offer, and with their confidence swelled beyond reason by a history of manifest success, many technologists themselves embrace this conceit. But technology, in its essence, is inseparable from nature and weaponry, whose real dynamics are diametric to the expectations of the utopians. Indeed, hedonistic fulfillment is itself a ruinous plague that renders the subject population lethargic, decadent, and defenseless before any credible rival or adversary, so that the technological means of that fulfillment – be it designer drugs, entertainment programming and systems, or even high efficiency highly automated mass production of popular consumer comforts generally construed – is indeed itself a weapon. Moreover, technological advancement always exacerbates social disparities, concentrating preponderant power in the hands of a few savvy entrepreneurs, as in the US from the era of Cornelius Vanderbilt through the present. Transcending these issues is the dynamic identified by anthropologist Joseph Tainter – escalating social complexity, of the sort inherent in the government-directed pursuit and administration of technologically facilitated utopia – is inherently and intractably unsustainable.

   from mega.NU… a interesting monograph, that stands on its own… and i cant comment on the rest of all that is there. its one mans (i think) huge musings

   Clearly, utopian socialism is also abstractly millenarian and apocalyptic. Utopian socialists empower their deified governments to pass judgement on the people and purge (by extermination, contraception, or radical disfranchisement) those deemed unworthy of life, in order to appear to advance toward the promised idyllic harmonious society. One can plausibly describe utopian socialism as a form of ultrareactionary biblical fundamentalism, albeit aiming to reinstitute conditions under which humanity and its forebears never really existed or can exist. Indeed millenarism encroaches with sufficient directness on the territory of the Catholic church, that it provokes explicit condemnation as blasphemy.

   Deified government is simply a modernization of the “divine right” claimed by kings and emperors throughout world history. As for the idea of Edenic paradise reconstituted on earth, this is actually found in the Hebrew Bible itself, in Isaiah and Psalms. The overt messianism of the Abrahamic religions and Zoroastrianism is tantamount to Edenic reconstitution, and (at least in the Abrahamic ones) in most cases clearly relates to the Eden motif specifically. Their messianism is just as utopian as socialism’s, and through syncretion with their occult derivatives and with Buddhism, it serves to elaborately theologize socialism under the “New Age” banner. In the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, and Luke, all tell the same story, exhorting the faithful to radical egalitarian charity, and promising the eternal torment of damnation for those who refuse. Thus, on a deep level, Jews, Christians, and utopian socialists, are coreligionists, and their squabbles are sectarian.

3. Each branch of the Edenic movement has its own characteristic deontological degeneration:

   libertarians believe that anything must be permitted that does not directly (without delay or intermediary) injure another person, and that avoidance of direct harm is the only behavior required;

   anarchists that everything is permitted (other than constraint by rules) and nothing is or can be required;

   fascists that that which is permitted must fulfill the will of the state and therefore is required, and that which is not required is forbidden;

   and socialists that the able must take responsibility for the welfare of all, and the unable must have no responsibility for anything, not least for their own welfare and behavior.

   Correspondingly, all Edenists are hostile to money systems, each in a characteristic pattern, because money is the mechanism whereby an economy keeps score, holding individuals responsible individually for their respective contributions to aggregate, mutual, voluntary prosperity and fulfillment.

   Libertarians are the least pathological of the Edenists in their attitude toward money, but many of them seek to establish a “gold standard” – not the convertibility standard of the Bretton Woods and predecessor regimes, but actual denomination of prices in physical gold units. This leads to a deflationary spiral (economic catastrophe).

   Anarchists promote abolition of money, implicitly envisioning return to barter-based trade, which precludes complex economic arrangements (without which, there is economic catastrophe).

   Fascists and socialists both envision preponderance of the state in determining the allocation of money, with onerous constraints on how money can be saved and spent by private parties, so that money becomes a mechanism for imposing conformity with the will of the establishment (the state, the political class, their corporatist fellow travelers).

   This can be seen in the provision for “Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly” in the Communist Manifesto.

   In both systems, complex economic activity (banking, manufacturing, transportation, communication, etc.) is subordinated formally and comprehensively to state control.

4. this is the last post.
   as the rest is pages and reams of interesting ideas, and even on the fringe stuff as well… its not neat and all sane… but it is a most interesting read.

   Socialism appeals to men and women differently. For men, it promises relief from the toilsome burdens of industry, and from the hazards and pains of social rivalry. For women, it promises relief from anxiety over sustenance and security, from the toilsome burdens of housekeeping and child rearing, and particularly, from anxiety over and toiling for the sustenance and security of their children. The unifying appeal is that Eden promises an idyllicized child-like existence consisting entirely of rest and idle entertainment (similar to what is promised in the Christian and Islamic heavens). To many people, and to nearly all lazy people, this has an intense, even unshakeable, emotional appeal. As political socialism came to feature class rivalry and the concept of a solidaristic working class (particularly after Marx), an enduring surplus in the popularity of socialism with women developed, because phylogeny dictates that a greater proportion of women than of men are saddled with onerous toiling, actually or prospectively. Also contributing to this surplus popularity with women is the phylogenetic tendencies of women to be hostile to heroic striving (particularly as a practice they themselves might engage in), and of men to have a relatively congenial view of daring heroism. Because of the personal distinction and social disruption that accompany it, socialism is inherently hostile to heroism.

   For radical utopian socialists, such as are to be found in the psychiatric profession (e.g. Bruce Rind, Phillip Tromovitch and Robert Bauserman), the garbling of the childhood and romance motifs, and the phylogenetic neoteny of the human adult female, lead to open advocation for the social acceptance and proliferation of pedophilia. (This garbling, and institutionalized paternalism and in some cases celibacy, likely contribute to the proliferation of pedophilia among certain Christian, Muslim, and Buddhist clergy.) Seeming to countervail this agitation for sexual disinhibition, utopian socialists have instigated a witchhunt for men who engage in sexually suggestive or provocative behavior with female business associates. However, in fact this is simply a program to harm and demoralize businessmen and businesses (who flagrantly offend against utopian socialism), protest behavior that evidences inequality of the genders, and persecute those who exhibit them. Indeed, long-established in radical feminism is the political strategy of granting sexual favors to politically compliant partners and withholding them from defiant ones. Arguably, Genesis suggests that Eve had just such a defiant and dominant streak, since she communed with the Garden serpent independently, and prevailed upon Adam thereafter, whereas there is no example of Adam prevailing on Eve in Eden.

   Utopian socialism is so obviously infantile and silly (and pernicious), so intellectually vacuous and brittle, that it is inevitably central to its orthodoxy that its true nature be kept from consciousness – i.e., that adherents obediently refrain from eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The German National Socialists were particularly masterful at embedding beliefs in the minds of the public without their ever bringing conscious contemplation to bear on the meaning and implications of the propaganda. Showing a spectacular capacity for missing the point, present-day socialist Germany now imposes criminal penalties on those who use overt symbols of German National Socialism in public, continuing the program of ideological submergence, in plain service to socialism. In fact, they seek to impose these penalties throughout Europe – a pathetic echo of the prodigious imperialism of their recent past.

   Tactics of conceptual distraction are a fixture of socialist methodology – indeed, of political propaganda in general. In particular, until they realize totalitarian government, radical socialists maintain the faé§ade of champions of the rights and interests of minorities, the poor, and the pitiful, while plotting their demise once they have seized total control. (E.g., the Bolsheviks crushed labor unions after seizing power; Marx said peasants should be promised land of their own to gain their support for socialism, but once socialism was institutionalized, private land was to be completely abolished &8212; which, of course, it usually was.) In the United States, nearly all socialists indignantly (and absurdly) protest labelling of their positions as “socialist”. In the post-Soviet era, they consistently dismiss, as obsolete and paranoid, those who say that socialism (particularly when called “communism”) is a threat to humanity worthy of current concern, notwithstanding (as just one of many concrete examples) China’s nuclear military buildup, saber rattling, continuing official communism, and a population more than four times that of the United States.

5. Thanks artfldgr for all the info on Walt and Walter.

6. Walt Disney had real talent!

7. I had not noticed, but you are correct!, They could be twins!

8. Maybe it’s their Missouri roots. I think they both grew up there for at least part of their childhoods.

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