9/11 anniversary
Eleven years. That’s a formidable passage of time.
New buildings are rising on the site of 9/11. The memorial fountains are in place, a somber and yet paradoxically beautiful tribute. The museum was stalled by a dispute, but maybe soon it will be ready for visitors.
We’ve incorporated what was once unbelievable and even unimaginable (except perhaps by Tom Clancy) into our reality and our history. Kids learn about it in school, just another tale.
We’ve watched the illusory unity of the weeks right afterward disintegrate into today’s bitter disagreements. The quarrels are real, and important.
Some of the bereaved have moved on to new relationships, but will always grieve. Offspring have grown up. The photos of the dead are now becoming outdated, old hairstyles and old suits.
But that doesn’t mean we have forgotten. What we may have forgotten instead is what it was like before, when we were more innocent, more naive.
This is far from over. 9/11 was just the opening salvo.
Monday, 14 Feb 2011
Dr. Vahid Majidi, the FBI’s assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate has publicly stated that “The probability that the U.S. will be hit with a weapons of mass destruction attack at some point is 100 percent”
“There is going to be an attack using chemical, biological or radiological material.” it will “create a devastating effect on the American psyche,” Majidi says.
The greatest danger from Iran getting the bomb is the greatly increased nuclear proliferation that will result. Once nukes spread across the region, sooner or later nukes will find their way into the hands of terrorists. Claiming them to have been ‘stolen’ or bought from ‘rogue elements’ will provide plausible deniability.
Iran gaining nukes is the trip wire for a game changer.
For those of us of a certain age I count 5 major milestones in our culture:
There may still be a few who can add to that Pearl Harbor in 1941, but IMO by and large these are the major events that still shape our national dialogue whether we reognize that fact consciously or not.
That the 9/11 museum came to be after a dispute is somehow fundamentally American. We are a disputational culture because we are all vested each in our own opinions. We are vested in our own opinions because the govt by contract that our founders created not only tolerates dispute, but it enourages it.
There is no more place where that right is recognized and exercised than at a blog like this.
As we remember the fallen today let us also give thanks for the great fortune of being Americans.
Note: Islamists today attacked the US Embassy in Cairo and tore down the flag.
Also Obama is refusing to meet with Netanyahu in October to discuss Iran’s bomb.
“The photos of the dead are now becoming outdated, old hairstyles and old suits.”
I think it was probably last year, around the 10th anniversary, that I watched a tv special about the attacks, and I was really struck by this. It didn’t seem possible that they could look so dated so quickly. But that’s an effect of age. I think of how long 10 years seemed to me when I was young, and how short it is now. Think of the distance between 1955 and 1965, as it appeared to us when we were living it. I mean, apart from the changes in ourselves, the culture seemed to have changed so much.
Right about the milestones, T, with the exception for me that I was too hippied-out to pay as much attention to the moon landing as it merited. That’s not a euphemism for drugged-out, either: I was just that out of touch with the mainstream.
T,
Amazing how four of the five milestones occurred within a six-year period. Hope we never see a revival of the 60’s.
We came close to having another bad milestone with the Reagan shooting. A matter of inches, then of minutes or seconds.
Those who remember WWII seem to list it fairly consistently as the most memorable event of their lives.
Interesting, isn’t it, how the negative events seem to outweigh the positive?
“Interesting, isn’t it, how the negative events seem to outweigh the positive?”
It is, but I think it is essentially human nature, even in our personal lives. After all, even Shakespeare wrote: “The evil that men do lives after them, the good is oft interred with their bones.”
T,
That is true to some extent, but I think much of the good lives on in ways that don’t attract headlines. It is passed from grandparent and parent to child. From there it goes to the friend of the child who gets a tip on hoow to handle a tough situation. We know about some of the heroes of 9/11, but the families and friends of those heroes have also passed on their own goodness. When goodness is passed on quietly, it strengthens the whole society.
out of changing events listed above, the summer of love 1968, the USA’s soviet revolution… from then on, its been steady feminist modulated decline… (even today, you have the ny slimes writing an article that claims men are failing due to not having the genetics for the future that women have… and completely ignoring the affirmative action, signing statements, mentorships, billions in loans, bonus cash in loans, grants, payroll tax discounts, free equipment, and thousands and thousands of organizations..
they point out that since that time, mens salaries have dropped over 28% with one feminist talking about an alabama town where women make over 140% more (though the author didnt decidfe to see if any, women make less than men articles were there)
and another article was a study on women, which says, 75% want the same thing they had whe they decided to side up with self proclaims communist revolutionaires dedicated to destroying culture, family, marraige, and basically what the studies are showing women want most.
so on one side, the men are genetically inferiro to the women (they even said women are better in a technology society, but fail to notice that men dominate technology invention, creation, maintaenance, etc)
so 1968, when we left partrarchy, entered matriarchy, and now are on the verge of fiscal collapse… pretty much the same thing that happens when a man lets his wife control all the purse strings and she thinks he can just make more or get more (thats the caveat for the sane budgeters).
i mean, who mostly gets welfare, free apartments, and so on? after all, have 6 kids with 5 men, and you need a 7 bedroom apartment for free… no? who gets the student loans to the point where fewer than 40% go to men (And most of those go to foreign and those with perma tan (if not to the pudenda class).
HECK… even the favoritism shown islam and all that, is promoted from the feminists.. no? i mean… they beat up on christians, do slut walks, and hold up signs where stars of david are turned into swastikas. and are now writing articles on how the burka is feminist..
WHICH group got us to think the world was like a knitting circle and that if we just try to do things the ladies way, talk, talk, talk, embarrass, call names, talk talk talk, the world will be ok as that will stop the men who want their women to love them for the country they take and give them…
a dark age is creted when people are disconnected from the cultural history that was before them… guess what that movement created? 27% are under 20… in 18 years… that will be what?
and who is the guardian of euthanasia?
Top doctor’s chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html
The Mindset List
wake up and see what the contemporaries that you depend on to save the country know…
[you can get a good book on it “The Mindset Lists of American History: From Typewriters to Text Messages, What Ten Generations of Americans Think is Norma”]
by the way… if 27% are under 20… guess what year they would be? (about the same)
2016 List
They have never needed an actual airline “ticket,” a set of bound encyclopedias, or Romper Room.
For this generation of entering college students, born in 1994, Kurt Cobain, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, Richard Nixon and John Wayne Gacy have always been dead.
They have always lived in cyberspace, addicted to a new generation of “electronic narcotics.”
The Biblical sources of terms such as “Forbidden Fruit,” “The writing on the wall,” “Good Samaritan,” and “The Promised Land” are unknown to most of them.
Michael Jackson’s family, not the Kennedys, constitutes “American Royalty.”
Robert De Niro is thought of as Greg Focker’s long-suffering father-in-law, not as Vito Corleone or Jimmy Conway.
Bill Clinton is a senior statesman of whose presidency they have little knowledge.
On TV and in films, the ditzy dumb blonde female generally has been replaced by a couple of Dumb and Dumber males.
The paradox “too big to fail” has been, for their generation, what “we had to destroy the village in order to save it” was for their grandparents’.
For most of their lives, maintaining relations between the U.S. and the rest of the world has been a woman’s job in the State Department.
Since they’ve been born, the United States has measured progress by a 2 percent jump in unemployment and a 16 cent rise in the price of a first class postage stamp.
Benjamin Braddock, having given up both a career in plastics and a relationship with Mrs. Robinson, could be their grandfather.
Their folks have never gazed with pride on a new set of bound encyclopedias on the bookshelf.
Exposed bra straps have always been a fashion statement, not a wardrobe malfunction to be corrected quietly by well-meaning friends.
A significant percentage of them will enter college already displaying some hearing loss.
White House security has never felt it necessary to wear rubber gloves when gay groups have visited.
Having made the acquaintance of Furby at an early age, they have expected their toy friends to do ever more unpredictable things.
They have come to political consciousness during a time of increasing doubts about America’s future.
Probably the most tribal generation in history, they despise being separated from contact with their similar-aged friends.
Slavery has always been unconstitutional in Mississippi, and Southern Baptists have always been apologizing for supporting it in the first place.
A bit of the late Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, has always existed in space.
While the iconic TV series for their older siblings was the sci-fi show Lost, for them it’s Breaking Bad, a gritty crime story motivated by desperate economic circumstances.
There has always been a Santa Clause.
NBC has never shown A Wonderful Life more than twice during the holidays.
Herr Schindler has always had a List; Mr. Spielberg has always had an Oscar.
History has always had its own channel. [they sometimes refer to it as the hitler channel]
Thousands have always been gathering for “million-man” demonstrations in Washington, D.C.
TheTwilight Zone involves vampires, not Rod Serling.
They have no recollection of when Arianna Huffington was a conservative.
Pulp Fiction’s meal of a “Royale with Cheese” and an “Amos and Andy milkshake” has little or no resonance with them.
Despite being preferred urban gathering places, two-thirds of the independent bookstores in the United States have closed for good during their lifetimes.
and no one adds the really meaninful ones.. they dont know the holocaust, they think hitler is on the right and not a socialist, they know nothing of soviets their behaiors and such, and attribute it all to mass paranoia… they love socialism and communism, and think its the best answer… and so on and so on.
how can such people survive the kind of people from last century who still exist outside the US and still do what they did?
I was talking to my husband on the way to work this morning about that loss of innocence and how we don’t live in the same place we did before 9/11. I remember driving around in a kind of daze for several days and when I looked at the people in the cars around me, they had that same glazed expression on their faces.
I would add the Challenger disaster to those milestones because it was another huge loss of innocence. I think that we thought of the space program as something pure and noble and the investigation was a huge disappointment.
To me JFK, RFK, and MLK seem like one extended event.
AMDG
There is good reason to remember and to mourn for our dead. The Bible commands it. There is also reason to lament that the door open to the terrorists remains open, indeed, perhaps more open in a way, philosophically, than in 2001.
Of course it is because Obama refuses to recognize an enemy that is an enemy. Islam is not our friend. It has no friends, only strategic alliances until the need disappears.
But on a more fundamental level relating to what we are and why we are here, Americans might have opened up the door to Islam even further. What Islam offers as attractive to men is a moral code that allows a degenerate nature to indulge in violence and sex and power and command. Islam does prohibit alcohol, yet it seems this commandment does not impart any temperance.
In a phrase, Islam removes that constant striving, that will to will to be free. An internal government is nonsense when what it allows follows natural appetite. Islam is pretty tricky here. It sanctions heinous behavior but also replaces meaningful individual freedom to make moral choices with state/sharia law. Note Burke’s assertion that “Society cannot exist unless a controlling power upon will and appetite be placed somewhere, and the less of it there is within, the more there must be without.”
The parallel to illiberal philosophy-statism-is, then, the lack of any needed individual response to personal evil. In Islam, the evil is allowed in some instances, state controlled in others; in illiberalism, evil is defined and controlled wholly by a set of external dogmas promulgated by the State. In either case, the conflict of what I am and how I shall behave is resolved: I merely obey. Nothing on the inside is required, no choice, no significance, nothing, nada.
Contrasting that, traditional religion, whether Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist or Sikh, recognizes the individual’s need to make moral choices. This is so fundamental it escapes us, but only if we’ve been educated from birth, that such is true. We’ve been scratching our heads trying to determine how any sane person could vote for Obama. I guarantee you, that 95% of Obama voters do not share that fundamental conviction.
Islam and illiberalism denies man the power, the definition of freedom as a result of limiting and controlling one’s appetites. Interesting note that for Islam, only the man is commanded to indulge his appetites. Women and children (and infidels) are derivative of Muslim men and must observe that men’s right to indulge is not limited by any claim they might have. Funny how this basic fact of Muslim society has escaped the accusers of Republicans that Republicans have started and are waging a war on women.
To the extent that illiberalism has increased since 2001, so has the door of welcome to Islam opened more widely. All those asking for government help and government control could just as easily be asking for Islamic help and control. And they do. It is a sickening and pathetic sight. It is the sight of a man offering his self to slavery, of giving up his spirituality for animal appetite. It is no wonder that what one views from Muslims and illiberals at their mass gatherings is animal, violent, and leaves a mess for others to clean up. On the other hand, at a tea party demonstration, the police are needed not to police the tea partiers, who leave the premises more tidy than when they arrived, but to protect the tea partiers from violent assault.
While the door is still open, or even worse yet, opening wider, there can be no definitive closure to 9/11. The closure will come when the American door to Islam closes.
expat,
Evil on the radar, good underneath the radar. Makes sense to me.
I feel differently about this 9/11 anniversary than I have about previous ones. I’m finally tired of the tearful memorials and weepy reminiscences. Enough of that.
The anger I felt on 9/11/01 has not abated in the slightest. Western Civilization is in a state of war with Islam, whether our political leaders (of both parties) want to admit it or not. This war has been going on for over 1300 years.
At the time, I believed that the proper response was to destroy Mecca with a nuclear strike. I didn’t care whether the Muslims liked us; I wanted to make damn sure that they feared us. I wanted them to lose control of their bowels every time they saw the Stars and Stripes.
President Bush decided on a course of bringing “democracy” to the Middle East. Let’s put aside the fact that democracy is not and never has been a stable form of government, which is why the Founders gave us a republic instead. He took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq with limited objectives and restrictive rules of engagement. He told us that “Islam is a religion of peace.” He allowed both countries to enshrine sharia law in their new constitutions.
We also got the TSA. Because of politically correct dogma, we couldn’t single out Muslims for special scrutiny. That would be discriminatory. No, henceforth, our own government would have to treat each and every American as a potential terrorist, up to and including toddlers and old ladies with colostomy bags. I predicted this in an e-mail about a week after 9/11.
Bush could have slammed the border shut after 9/11. No better excuse or opportunity ever existed. He didn’t do it because he didn’t want to do it. He was an open-borders internationalist.
I was willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I was being a hothead, and it was better to try it the nice way first. Besides, we couldn’t afford to anger the Saudis, on whom we depend for access to their oil. We seemed to be making progress in both Afghanistan and Iraq for a while.
Then along came Obama, who is clearly a Muslim sympathizer, if not an outright Muslim himself. He openly said that he did not seek “victory”. The rules of engagement became even more restrictive. Afghans who we’ve been training are now turning on us and are killing our troops. Radical Islamists are taking power all over North Africa and the Middle East. They’re now attacking our embassies in Egypt and Libya.
By any rational measure, we are losing to the Muslims. How many mosques have been constructed in America and Europe since 9/11? How many new Muslim immigrants? Muslims continue to seek converts among the worst violent sociopathic dregs of society in our prisons. They are rising to influential positions in government security agencies like the FBI. In Europe, native non-Muslims are facing criminal punishment for criticizing Islam and their nations’ immigration policies, as did Mark Steyn in Canada.
More than ever, I’m convinced that my first reaction was correct. We should have nuked Mecca on 9/12/01. At the bare minimum we should have dropped nukes on Tora Bora in October 2001.
The plain truth is that Western Civilization and Islam cannot coexist on the same planet. Either we live and they die, or they live and we die. It’s past time to put away the hankies and get serious about this war.
We will never be at war with Islam. -Barack Hussein Obama.
At least as long as he is in the White House.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/11/American-Killed-on-911-In-Libyan-Consulate-Attack
Let’s see. Obama forgives $1 billion in debt to Egypt, schedules war games with them, cancels (practically) the war games with Israel, issues this message to Arabs about the “democratic” Arab spring and refuses to see Netanyahu because the Dave Letterman show is more important.
And the White House thinks it can sell the meme that Obama is better at foreign Policy than Romney?
My antennae is up; restless leg syndrome kicking; Tourettes blab on full. I sense something. There’s a disturbance in the Force.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/11/Obama-Releases-Message-to-Arab-Forum-on-9-11
The problem with Islam is Islam:
At the core of Islam is a totalitarian ideology, Sharia;
At the core of Islam is a violent war doctrine, Jihad.
At the core of Islam is deep Misogyny;
At the core of Islam is a genocidal hatred for Jews and Christians.
Until Muslims renounce these core pillars of their religion and society there will be an on going clash of civilizations.
9/11 will never to forgotten.
Having said all that, our biggest enemy is the Left. They’re not only allied with the Muslims, they’re inside the gates.
While this war has been going on for over 1300 years, since about the late 17th Century, Western Civilization pulled ahead with the Enlightenment and the Industrial Revolution. The Islamic world was left in the dust as a primitive backwater.
The important thing was that the West knew this, and became confident of their superiority. That was unquestioned for at least two centuries or more.
Then the Left arose and started teaching us Westerners that we should feel guilty about our superiority. They taught us to believe that we were evil colonialists and imperialists, and that we should feel ashamed for our success. The Left destroyed our confidence in our superiority.
The Left must be destroyed before we can have a chance of defeating Islam.
God Rest & Bless Rick Rescorla.
LZ X-Ray, Nov. 1965, Ia Drang Valley.
WTC, KIA rescuing thousands from the South Tower and killed returning for more.
You, True Hero, were a ‘Solldier Once and Young’.
“Until Muslims renounce these core pillars of their religion and society there will be an on going clash of civilizations.”
How do you renounce ‘core pillars’ of your faith without collapsing the theological foundations of that faith?
Especially when the most foundational theological tenet is that Allah directly dictated those core pillars through the archangel Gabriel to Muhammad?
Since its an article of Muslim faith that in writing the Qur’an, Muhammad only took dictation and since no mere human can ‘correct’ Allah’s very words… to renounce those core pillars is to implicitly declare that Muhammad was either delusional or a congenital liar…
Either of which completely collapses the theological underpinnings of the faith.
Reform is impossible because Islam’s tenets do not allow for even the smallest reform.
The simple and brutal truth (which at least on a subconscious level radical jihadists realize) is that the modern world and western values in particular, are a mortal threat to the 7th century ideology of Islam.
Jihadist Islam cannot cease its aggression against the west because for them its literally a matter of survival. The alternative being the implicit admission that their ‘faith’ cannot survive exposure to the West.
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser thinks Muslims can renounce the core pillars. I seriously doubt it. They’ve been at it for 1400 years. I do think that military defeats can suppress Jihad for long periods of time though.
Harold Says:
September 11th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Yes. It worked from the late 17th century through the mid 20th century, when the West became infested with Leftist thought and the Muslim world became rich with oil money.
For a long time the Muslim world was a primitive backwater which was no threat to the West.
If we make a priority of seeking energy independence, we can make that happen again. Withdraw Western money and force the Muslim world into abject poverty, and they will no longer be a threat to us. We should strive to grind their faces into the dust, and force them to eat sand and drink oil.
But we do also have to defeat Leftism and its cult of Western self-abasement.
I did a post today, about it all – pasted in, entire, as it was rather short. Anniversaries, they come thicker and faster, as we accumulate years –
Eleven After Eleven –
The anniversary of 9/11 crept up on little cat-feet this year. Not to say that I have forgotten about it entirely — but it is receding into the past, faster and faster. It is taking it’s place in history with other tumultuous and tragic events. So many anniversaries — of the start of WWII, and of WWI as well, of Gettysburg, the sinking of the Titanic, the destruction of Galveston by a hurricane, and the Nueces Massacre. Children who were babies and toddlers on the day that the towers fell in a vast gush of smoke and debris are now in middle school, on the cusp of being teenagers.
That world before is and increasingly a thing of the past, as far away in time for them as the high summertime of Edwardian England is to me. For those who lost parents, friends, coworkers and neighbors, the memory will linger much longer, until the end of their own lives. For those of us who were merely alive on that day, and spent it glued to the television or the radio, cold with horror and dread, feeling all the certainties of our world splinter invisibly, the horror will fade — has probably already begun to fade. In another decade, perhaps two or three or more, September 11th will be just another fall day, and only enthusiasts for historical trivia will remember the significance unprompted.
But that time has not yet come. Today, we remember again.
And a link to that post about another deadly September – http://www.ncobrief.com/index.php/archives/try-to-remember-that-time-in-september/
This week, a hundred and some years ago, a terrific hurricane wiped out a large part of Galveston, Texas. It was horrific, and may have killed as many as 10,000 in Galveston and along the Texas Gulf Coast. But it was a force of nature, and after a hundred and more years – who remembers?
“Dr. Zuhdi Jasser thinks Muslims can renounce the core pillars.”
Dr. Jasser is a good man who can’t face up to the central tenets of his Muslim faith. That is an avoidance of which all moderate Muslims are guilty. Muhammad wasn’t a peaceful man and created an ideology which dictates world domination by any means necessary.
“I do think that military defeats can suppress Jihad for long periods of time “
Not in a modern world where jihadist networks are offered refuge from pursuit and constantly resupplied with recruits, supplies and financial support by protected rogue nations. The protection for those rogue nations being facilitated by the enabling nations of Russia, China and the PC thinking of Western nations.
“Rogue states never turn out to be quite the pariahs they are deemed. They are only able to cause, or at least threaten to cause, mayhem because they enjoy the covert support – usually by means of technology transfers – of one or more major powers within the charmed circle of global ‘good guys’.” Margaret Thatcher
I would add to technological support (Russia’s assistance in building Iranian nuclear facilities, centrifuges, etc.) the consistent blocking within the UN by Russia and China of any effective International economic sanctions against Iran and other rogue nations.
To kill the ‘Medusa of Islamic terrorism’ you have to either remove the logistical support supplied by the rogue nations, which cannot be done without addressing and neutralizing the enabling nations which protect the rogue nations or hold hostage Islam’s holy sites to jihadist good behavior. Since neither will be done, sooner or later, nukes will be used. It’s as predictable as a Japanese Kabuki play or as history shows, Hitler’s machinations were while Chamberlain was in office.
‘We’ve watched the illusory unity of the week’s right afterward disintegrate into today’s bitter disagreements.’
And those of us who are adults should have known by Sept 12, 2001 and no later that this was going to happen soon. I’m only surprised that it took us so long.
Sgt. Mom: You might want to read my post about disasters and “the forgetting.” It deals with similar themes.
Islam delenda est.
In memory of the dead.
The unspeakables are attacking our embassies in Libya and Cairo, burning our flag, screaming threats.
Drudge has it up. Timing? no bloody coincidence.
Well, SOMEONE certainly seems to think this is a religious war.
“”How do you renounce ‘core pillars’ of your faith without collapsing the theological foundations of that faith? “”
GB
Just look at the old testament and some of its very barbaric ideas. What islam is missing is a new testament.
rickl,
Bravo your 8:26 post! However, we are not dependent on SA for oil. The vast majority of our imports come from Mexico, Venezuela, and Canada. And, as I’m sure you are aware, if we exploited our own off shore resources we would be virtually oil independent.
Nuking Mecca? Yes, I’ve often thought that would be “a shot heard around the world”. Western Civilization has been at war with Islam for 14 centuries. They know it, too many in the West willfully refuse to admit it.
Steve H: it has nothing to do with Old vs. New Testament.
Jews don’t use the New Testament—nor do they call the Old Testament the Old Testament—and yet somehow they’ve managed to jettison the more barbaric elements in what Christians refer to as the Old Testament. When was the last time Jews stoned an adulterous woman?
Islam delenda est.
This.
Beverly beat me to it, but I fully agree. As Churchill pointed out, it’s a stupid, backward, evil, murderous fatalistic death cult that is incompatible with progress or humanity.
To be sure, not all Muslims are evil. Then again, not all residents of Jonestown gulped down the Kool-Aid. Some just sipped.
For those of us of a certain age I count 5 major milestones in our culture:
The assassination of JFK
The assassination of RFK
The assissination of MLK
The moon landing of 1969
9/11
With respect, I would omit the latter two assassinations (based on the “where were you when this happened?” criterion; I have no idea for the RFK and MLK assassinations), and substitute the choppers leaving the room of the embassy in Saigon.
We’ve watched the illusory unity of the weeks right afterward disintegrate into today’s bitter disagreements.
The CPUSA never sleeps.
Occam’s Beard: Sounds like you are conflating the residents of Jonestown with Jones himself, and his inner circle.
Many of them were forced to drink the Kool-Aid. Please read this (see also this).
neo, true. I was reaching for a metaphor.
Occam’s Beard: after I read Deborah Layton’s book, the horror of Jonestown seemed ten times more so. These people lived in a totalitarian terror state. I highly recommend the book if you haven’t yet read it.
Occam’s Beard: Salute.
And this, from Whitaker Chambers, about another totalitarian cult applies:
“What went on in the minds of those Americans . . . that made it possible to betray their country? Did none of them suffer a crisis of conscience?
The question presupposes that whoever asks it has still failed to grasp that Communists mean exactly what they have been saying for a hundred years: they regard any government that is not Communist, including their own, merely as the political machine of a class whose power they have organized expressly to overthrow by all means, including violence.
Therefore the problem of espionage never presents itself to them as problem of conscience, but a problem of operations. . . .
The failure to understand that fact is part of the total failure of the West to grasp the nature of its enemy, what he wants, what he means to do and how he will go about doing it.
It is part of the failure of the West to understand that it is at grips with an enemy having no moral viewpoint in common with itself, that two irreconcilable viewpoints and standards of judgment, two irreconcilable moralities, proceeding from two irreconcilable readings of man’s fate and future are involved, and hence their conflict is irrepressible.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/remember_the_911_jihad_terror_attacks.html#ixzz26E33uVgl
The son of one of my Facebook running friends organised a run for his buddies, The graphic shows what a map of the run looked like. The twin towers and USA. Made me proud and a little more hopeful.
By this time next year, we’ll know the answer to the question of what will happen when Iran gets the bomb. Iran is also working on developing various delivery systems. Will we have lost some American cities by next year?
@rickl 09.11.2012 at 8:26 pm
The anger I felt on 9/11/01 has not abated in the slightest. Western Civilization is in a state of war with Islam, whether our political leaders (of both parties) want to admit it or not. This war has been going on for over 1300 years.
At the time, I believed that the proper response was to destroy Mecca with a nuclear strike. I didn’t care whether the Muslims liked us; I wanted to make damn sure that they feared us. I wanted them to lose control of their bowels every time they saw the Stars and Stripes.
“At the time …”
Hmm.
I just found out a few minutes ago that the embassies in Cairo and Benghazi were attacked. And a consular official was killed in the Libyan attack.
Those are acts of war.
This 9.11 isn’t quite like the other’s since, after all, than, is it.
Islam delenda est.
Us or them.
Nothings changed. Or maybe “not enough has changed”. No difference.
The anger I felt on 9/11/01 has not abated in the slightest…
Mine neither.
Islam delenda est.
Add to milestone events: Fall of the Berlin Wall, end of the Soviet Union.
Addition to milestone events: the end of human space flight for this civilization.
Zhudi Jasser is, I think depending on the moderating influence of American culture and traditions to change Islam. I wish him good luck but don’t think he will succeed.
Neo-neocon is correct that folks with the will can reinterpret almost anything. With the will, Muslims could reinterpret the call to Jihad as being a state not an individual requirement. That would answer most of the Wests problems with Islam as we can easily handle any aggression on the part of states, even nuclear ones. I don’t think it will happen though.
As far as what is going on now in Libya and Eqypt, in Libya we need to kill people in retribution. Bomb any and all individuals and organizations associated with the deaths of Americans and don’t be delicate over collateral damage. In Egypt we should demand that the government turn over the perpetrators within 48. If they don’t withdraw our ambassador and staff, halt all foreign aid, shut down the suez canal, and bomb the Eqyptian military in the sinai.
http://www.navytimes.com/mobile/news/2012/09/navy-russian-warships-displayed-dnc-veterans-tribute-091112
Excerpt:
On the last night of the Democratic National Convention, a retired Navy four-star took the stage to pay tribute to veterans. Behind him, on a giant screen, the image of four hulking warships reinforced his patriotic message.
But there was a big mistake in the stirring backdrop: those are Russian warships.
“…and, in further news, on the same day that radical Islamists–with their respective regimes’ full knowledge & encouragement–attacked American embassies in Libya & Cairo, murdering the US Ambassador to Libya+others, the Obama Regime took the opportunity to b’yotch slap Israel’s Prime Minister & refusing to meet with him in late September due to ‘a full schedule’and loudly condemn Mitt Romney for expressing outrage…The White House announced that Mr.Obama will be campaigning in Las Vegas today…”
***K..! You simply CANNOT make this stuff up. Note to The Boy King: Please, oh PLEEAAASSSEEE, keep shooting yourself(metaphorically)in the clumsy Feet, Yer Majesty!!
Curtis,
good catch… its in my post too. (took me longer to write it) but note at all the rest!!!
there is so much now…
and if you followed me from way back
i never deviated from what i said, as i had no reason to, the extrapolation was accurate over time, and need not change as long as it remained so.
i wonder what hux would think, as this goes back that far… in fact it goes back to my discussions on publius pundit before they stopped discussing stuff and went private in 2007..
you would think that laying it out almost 7 years ago would get you a bit of credibility, but it doesn’t as everyone is vying for that point as a status item, not as a ancillary something to putting pieces together.
the goal for most was to be popular (in a era of new populism), not right.
my goal, was to be right, not popular (as being right rarely gains one popularity or positive reward. ask Casandra and what happened with that wooden horse).
bottom line:
AS of yesterdays celebration of the gates of Vienna, the towers, and now this…
The whole game has changed…
You can be sure that the women vote just shifted to the dear leader that (they believe with no evidence or history) wont start a nuclear war (except that its that political spectrum area that has changed its war doctrines to first strike – while we have unilaterally disarmed)
in a few weeks the military will be financially denuded… our credit is gone… we cant borrow from enemies during a war or conflict.
most people SUCK at tactics… which is why most cant look at a map and see whats going on. their wishes get in the way of their assessments and so,they are less effective.
they look at the slimes, discuss krauthammer, and complain about krugman, but those are all inside…
Krauthammer would lose his position among his followers if he did not cater to their insulated desires, and put down all he could.
in fact… neo’s pulling in tight (to use a camera term), made sure we didn’t see whats in the background… we flittered from tight image to tight image, and refused to look where it sits in the big picture, or even allow that (despite lots of history and evidence and the biggest budgets without answering to anyone in history, actually do nothing)
the GREAT GAME never ended, it just moved to the back parlor as the common man was interfering with their ability to act. so they neutralized that by pretending to give them what they wanted most – the false image of peace… it was worth going to world war twice to try to make permanent. no? the war to end all wars?
we are about to witness Shoa II, the conflagration…
“All the other large and small nationalities and peoples are destined to perish before long in the revolutionary world storm… these residual fragments of peoples always become fanatical standard-bearers of counter-revolution and remain so until their complete extirpation or loss of their national character… [A general war will] wipe out all these petty hidebound nations, down to their very names. The next world war will result in the disappearance from the face of the earth not only of reactionary classes and dynasties, but also of entire reactionary peoples. And that, too, is a step forward.” — Friedrich Engels, “The Magyar Struggle,” Neue Rhenische Zeitung, January 13, 1849
what would the world have given to know that Engels predicted hot world war I, and hot world war II, and the coming hot WW IV… (dont forget the cold war)…
and what engels and marx predicts, their religiously zealous followers have been trying to force the creation of, just to vindicate their prophets…
using Islams radicals desire to call the Mahdi by nuclear holocaust and world conflict is a convenient construct they have nurtured for 60 plus years… (and as always, they manipulate others to act, so that others take the blame and suffer, while they reap the rewards)
cargo cultism has them thinking the conditions bring the god, not that the god comes at his or h er own time, and so, you can wreck the place a dozen times, but its the one time that counts that matters and is not by your will. (ie. the mullahs of the radical world think they can control god and the mahdi and summon him by destroying the world)
the end result would be the end of the last people on the earth that remember how it was when we were free..
they are too old, they had no kids, are below replacement, their women have self exterminated (and lovin it!), and now the last of their prime will be eradicated by conflicts coordinated all over the world (OPENLY)….
what comes next is from history…
look to it, and you will know what will come…
as the people will make the same mistake if they are ignorant of the fact its a mistake!!!!
[the way the first people who had no experience learned what it does]
so.. now.. what just happened to all our musings over the past few months and even the past few days that completely ignored the outside world in its assessments?
up in a wisp of news that informs them about the outside world and now the effect that will ahv on voters.
in less than 48 hours, the fragile and unrealistic extrapolations were all negated by a reality they did not include.
… and just in time to remind us, a dead US Ambassador’s body was dragged through the dirt streets in Libya.
Nice. Nice to know we’ve learned something, isn’t it?
The ramifications of 9/11 took a long time to sink in. That goes for me too–I didn’t have exactly the same thoughts I do now, only assorted bits and pieces, not the orderly view of things as now.
The enemy has not been left just unnamed, but its nature has been wholly misunderstood. The comparisons to Pearl Harbor means most people still think within the state-conflict paradigm. While it’s true that Islamic imperialism would have no fuel for its engines without the oil-rich states bankrolling it and giving it sanctuary, the enemy troops are not state-based and cannot be defeated by taking a state-oriented approach.
We’ve moved away from, not toward, the resolve needed for fighting invader-immigrant troopers. The purveyors of the R-word police have made sure any show of national and cultural survivalism is nipped in the bud, complete with comparison to the German imperialism of old, which in truth has much in common with the Arab-cultural imperialism a.k.a. Islam the free world now faces. As rickl so eloquently put it, the opportunistic attacker of Islam finds the immune defense system gates of the free world open through the political AIDS of the Marxists, who wield virtual power even when not in official power by means of their media stranglehold.
The reaction to 9/11 was to attack states abroad right away. The priorities had gotten misplaced: When there are enemy troopers on your soil, it makes no sense to send an army to Afghanistan or Iraq. But with the Marxist thought-regime in place, you’re not allowed to think of Ahmed Q. Mosquegoer and Fatima B. Burqacovered next door as enemy troopers.
Finally, there’s of yet no model to follow as to overcoming this imperialist invasion, unless you wish to go back all the way to the Middle Ages. Israel has never held up to being a model, because even in saner times her leaders have bungled things by keeping the enemy populace (in both 1948 and 1967). The free world nearly had its model in Serbia in the 1990s; the Islamic imperialists must have known it, which is why the oil powers sent Clinton to prevent the first successful repulsion of Islamic imperialism in modern times from ever happening. Hence, we’re stuck within the paradigms of the middle of last century, prohibited from even suggesting the true nature of this war except in privately held venues such as this one.
Marxismus delendus est; once this is done, Islam will be peanuts.
Marxismus delendus est; once this is done, Islam will be peanuts.
Good point, ziontruth.
I wish Israelis would have a heart-to-heart with American Jews on the facts of life re Marxism and Islam.
Uh huh. That one hit the z spot for me ZT.
This event should be an inflection point for Romney. Romney’s support should start going up and not stop. Change should be guaranteed but it likely will not occur because we know by now the mindset of Obama and his supporters. They are Marxists with close ties to Muslims.
This event is another “you didn’t build that” revelation, however, and it is good to see Romney jump on the opportunity.
Obama shows that for certain things he says which even we know he means, he means. One of those things he said was “We will never be at war with Islam.”
Thus, he does nothing while Romney would send a forceful response:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/12/dueling-pressers-romney-takes-questions-obama-doesnt-on-egypt-libya-attacks/
It will be an interesting show today, watching the Left and the media tie themselves in even more knots, protecting their God King.
Especially amusing will be watching how they justify and argue to themselves, amongst themselves, that this isn’t his, nor their, fault.
Their Gordian knot will remain tied though.
…while America burns.
This catches Obama in a bind: Either he doesn’t control what his embassies say (and if he doesn’t, what the hell does the concept of an “admininstration” mean) or he does and agrees with the cowardly acceptance of dhimmitude.
@Occam’s Beard 09.12.2012 at 11:45 am
I wish Israelis would have a heart-to-heart with American Jews on the facts of life re Marxism and Islam.
Perhaps this will suffice? – Roger Simon is posing a similar question to the American Jews in the administration, and the party: The Democrat Party and the Second Holocaust.
Coincides with Promethea’s point at 1:13 am (you a lite niter sometimes?) regarding Iran and the nuclear bomb.
Will History judge Obama another Neville Chamberlain
or worse?
Occam’s Beard,
“I wish Israelis would have a heart-to-heart with American Jews on the facts of life re Marxism and Islam.”
For all the good it would do. Leftists are Leftists, you can expect your words, whether you deliver them gently or forcefully, to be shouted down in a barrage of R-word accusations. Jewish Leftists, Christian Leftists, white Leftists, black Leftists–all the same in that regard.
Heck, the Leftist Israeli media doesn’t listen to the heart-to-heart messages that the largely rightward-shifted Israeli Jewish public sends them, and they live here where all the problems are in plain sight. Political conversion is much like religious conversion: It’s not a matter of choosing the right words and making one’s point with the maximum eloquence; somewhere, sometime, varying for each individual, something has to click for it to happen.
Curtis,
Romney passes the (very low) bar of being better than Obama, but I have little hope he’s going to break the bonds of political correctness (cf. George W. “Islam is a religion of peace” Bush). The general populace not drinking the Marxist kool-aid is ready to throw all caution to the wind and damn the R-word torpedoes, but it always takes time–often a generation–for this to trickle up to the leadership.
the oil-rich states bankrolling it and giving it sanctuary
they are not the ones doing that…
ie. that is what your supposed to assume
The Sauds do not want their power to be emoved by some religious caliphate…
the people doing this have admitted to it, bragged about it, wrote about it in their biographies, had exfiltration histories confirm it, and even defectors too.
hows that for a large parade of people telling you what it is, and everyone ignoring it
i have even quoted the men who took credit for, showed the new history that we didnt know then, and so on and so on.
and yet, who is getting the blame?
A KING who has no place in such a system…
i mean DUH… look at the names of the organizations and which term is fashionable as an inside joke as to what they really are.
from legion, to peoples, to now where they use “society”, as in Soros open society initiative. when that is worn out and you catch on they will change it again, and a whole new set of ignorant people will ahve to be convinced.
EVERYONE but the people who dont want to know, knows where and who is doing this. its the same people who have been doing this kind of thing for almost 100 years…
Nicolae Ceausescu of Romania bragged in his AUTObiography (like SANGER did too), as to the things he did, and in this case, he bragged about using airplanes as weapons.
now… when explosives are found in egypt, are they C4 or Semtec? we know, thanks to historical records, that back in the 70s, tons of semtec was transfered to these states…(and the war facilitates a whole lot more material than normal)
funny, but to know just takes a trip over to wiki… despite being scrubbed, some things cant be scrubbed completely, so something has to remain.
Terrorism and the Soviet Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_and_the_Soviet_Union
NOT alleged, given autobiographies, infiltrations, exfiltrations, and defectors..
“a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. – KGB chairman Yury Andropov explained to Pacepa
George Habash, who worked under KGB guidance, explained:
“Killing one Jew far away from the field of battle is more effective than killing a hundred Jews on the field of battle, because it attracts more attention.”
now… ask why we have no movies, few books and so on that allow you to know the nature and history of this beast and so have it in mind when trying to figure things out…
A number of notable operations have been conducted by the KGB to support international terrorists with weapons on the orders from the Soviet Communist Party, including:
Transfer of machine-guns, automatic rifles, Walther pistols, and cartridges to the Provisional Irish Republican Army by the Soviet intelligence vessel Reduktor (operation SPLASH) in 1972 to fulfill a personal request of arms from Michael O’Riordan.[11]
Transfer of anti-tank grenade RPG-7 launchers, radio-controlled SNOP mines, pistols with silencers, machine guns, and other weaponry to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine through Wadi Haddad who was recruited as a KGB agent in 1970 (operation VOSTOK, “East”).
now… who is blocking things with their votes? who is doing what they did in the 70s?
all this is at one wiki link…
there is TONS more…
but we are conditioned not to pay attention to it… ignore it.
ergo, your allowed to muse that its the Sauds, but not allowed to muse its the soviets… who are still soviet (according to Gorbachev speech – and if you dont believe his speech to the Politburo on that, then who ARE you believing?)
THAT Was in the 70s with closed borders and all that. the drug war facilitated that ability.
imagine what they can ahve here with the open borders that since the 80s we been finding shipments that weigh in TONS…
also… if they removed them, then they exist. no? so its not tin hat, its history we ignore.
Extensive sabotage plans in London, Washington, Paris, Bonn, Rome, and other Western capitals have been reveled by KGB defector Oleg Lyalin in 1971, including plan to flood the London underground and deliver poison capsules to Whitehall. This disclosure triggered mass expulsion of Russian spies from London
and
An “immensely detailed” plan to destroy “oil refineries and oil and gas pipelines across Canada from British Columbia to Montreal” (operation “Cedar”) has been prepared, which took twelve years to complete.
now… with the set up in oil, and prices and putting all our refineries in a few places rather than allow them all over, and so on. has done what? insured that if something happens, we lose the day it starts for the same reason the japanese lost… why did they lose? they bombed the ships, some which werent there, but if they bombed the oil reserves in hawaii, that would have ended the war in the pacific that day!!!!!!!!
and we still arent ready… are we?
i advise reading the links i put up that were ignored before by most.
Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison_laboratory_of_the_Soviet_secret_services
and take some time to peruse this list and see how many are communist, or connected to it.
List of designated terrorist organizations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations
to read a bit on each, read this:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/counter-terrorism/proscribed-terror-groups/proscribed-groups?view=Binary
Its amazing that we never give credit to the people who openly claim responsiblity, brag about it, and so on. from communist russians, chinese, and even obama… to feminists, and black socialist groups… and so on.
ALL of them openly take credit for what their followers and even opposition ignores!!!
i mean, when a constitutional lawyer that has changed how we and other states constitutions operate says:
“Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism.” – Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State (First Harvard University Press, 1989), p.10
along with almost all the other leaders of said movement, from Bouvier, to naomi Goldstein (betty friedan, later noted she wrote for communist papers)
are we complaining that obama is following WHAT ideological hybridized version today?
and after that, we turn around and say its the sauds? the sauds are in precarious position… as always. tons of wealth, very small country and population. as precarious as you can get.
but note… islam as a state is incompetent, ahd so, they can be led and controlled by competency they seek. whether US or russia, both states offer them things. the US usually offers money… and so they are free to abuse or use… while russia offers material and expertise.
who has been assisting since i was in high schoo, the building of irans bombs? the US? israel? England?
how about Russia?
who makes and ships semtec by the ton?
who invented and manufactures old and improved versions of the kalashnikov?
who licensed manufacture of dragunov sniper rifles in the americas?
who is blackmailing europe for gas? and oil?
who recently took over parts of another country without the US protesting?
who is claiming all the oil under the artic using stolen images from the movie titanic?
follow this link
its an article from the past (st petersburg times)
Russia Sends more Experts to Egypt
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19570125&id=EhxSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=N3YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3598,4054973
why? to teach them how to use russian equipment, and other skills… that was 1957
and here:
Russia sends jets to egypt 1975
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2199&dat=19750218&id=pekxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DeUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6913,2347095
and
Sinai attack clearly Egyptian operation – expert (2012)
http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_08_08/Sinai-attack-clearly-Egyptian-operation-expert/
how did i find them all?
easy…
put “russia sends experts to egypt” into google, and you can read articles by the russians telling russians as to what they have been doing from the 1940s through the 50s, through the 60s, through the 70s, through the 80s, through the 90s, through 2000, up to now, the 2010s…
and yet. we forget them when it comes to thinking whats going on…
that would be like ignoring Richard speck at a nursing school jobs program, and hiring him to take care of the dorms..
Officials say embassy attack in Libya was coordinated
http://wtop.com/215/3033617/Officials-Embassy-attack-in-Libya-was-coordinated
its a signature of this organisation to do more than one thing at a time. why? because they found that when it was one lone man and not two things at once, the news neutralizes what happens… ie. the lone crazed person, not the organizations.
note than on 9/11 when the first plane hit, eeryone thought it was an eerie accident, and if that was it, that might have been the spravka the state gave to explain it.
but with four planes, three crashes, and 5 escapees they never caught, how can you tell?
bet most dont know about the 5 who ran away from a plane that never got to take off due to air traffick stopping it.
good thing the embassy scrubbed this one:
The translation of Council from English to Russian, is Soviet. so a Council = Soviet.
and so a local council that makes laws (using illegal delegated powers), is a soviet…
just as tovarish, is comrade, not just a 70s band…
The unfree streets of London
A shocking new Google Map shows the bits of London where you can become a criminal without even realising it
http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/12858/
few realize that these leftist community councils are again, a copy of soviet structures for control.
When Stalin ordered the Kulaks to be killed, he ordered the councils to find them, even if there wasn’t any… (ie. pick an innocent).
Internal passports were used in the Ukraine to prevent people from leaving the towns they were forced to starve in…
do note, that our government hired markus wolfe, the creator of the STASI and another kgb general to help design the US ID system and the changes we been making. go ahead, look it up… at the time, everyone made excuses. but not ‘getting’ who or what marcus wolfe was is a very dangerous thing.
Mischa was a very dangerous man. and his nickname, just as Sascha is a hint, tells you who he really served.
from wiki:
and if you don’t think people like this are involved, then your ignoring all of the ALQ games, and so on…. in this came, no one can afford to sit out.
the soviets picked up where hitler left off.
they picked up persecution of jews.
they took over the NAZI camps that FDR signed over and ran them for decades continuing to eterminate people
and they took over the relationship between marxists and the grand mufti…
and have admitted and bragged about it for longer than i have been alive.
ArtfulD?
I’ve been fascinated by your posts (read them all, however briefly at times …due to fluctuating & fluid personal time contraints, not for lack of curiousity btw), since becoming a regular denizen at Neo’s comments (rather than my previous click-throughs of her posts).
But I admit to having been rather contextually adrift (you do, ahem, “post large” lol).
All that to ask a question (merely to assuage my curiousity):
The matrix within which you wish your posts to be seen as within? Is it a continuation of the Tournament of Shadows (Турниры теней …i.e., The Great Game) writ large, on a global scale? The matrix of your posts, I mean?
Are you a fan of Arthur Conolly, than?
…I certainly hope so, for – surmising that the answer to that question as probably true – this was the first time I’ve been able to make some contextual sense of your gestalt.
To “catch your drift”, if you will.
Fascinating.
(Please don’t take this as anything other than as the compliment intended btw.)
Ziontruth,
I strongly disagree that Romney will observe PC. It is my belief that he employs the same type of deception known as taqqiya regarding his heart of hearts. Kind of like Eisenhower and his cultivation that he was some sort of absentee President.