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  1. Nowadays, the idea or necessity of disarming the populace of an authoritarian nation is well known and usually very substantially accomplished. Back in the American colonies, hunting was important and often a way of life.

    A quick search indicates that rifled gun barrels go way back to the early 1500’s, but not was popularized until Germany in the 17th century. Supposedly, some of those guns came to America and led to the precision Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifle used in the Revolutionary war.

  2. I have no idea what this “deal” is about. I see everything from the left about giving Iran more money than Obama did, to crickets from the right; which is disconcerting. I also am having doubts again. I guess we wait and see what happens by August. I don’t like the fact that it looks like the whole uranium thing is now off the table and Iran can still enrich for “peaceful purposes”. Yeah, right.

    If the “deal” turns into a sh!tshow, gas prices won’t help with the midterms. I’m also not happy with all the criticism of Israel going after Hezbollah from Trump.

  3. It’s difficult to fight true believers who welcome “martyrdom.” They are not afraid of death, and welcome it. If we didn’t insist upon being so politically correct, I think bacon-wrapped bullets would be of some use — take away the smug assurance of paradise. Without your enemy having a fear of something terrible — death, loss of everything — it is hard to defeat them.

  4. Also, about deals with the IRGC — what about all the people demonstrating against the Iranian government? What about their freedom? Do they matter at all?

  5. @physicsguy: I have no idea what this “deal” is about.

    Quite so. In all the soon-deal/no-deal/now-deal? we’ve never had any specifics on the deal being negotiated.

    Now that there’s a deal, a preliminary deal anyway, which is supposed to be signed on Friday, we still don’t know.

    My feeling, FWIW, is that this deal won’t lead to a lasting peace. Iran will inevitably break the ceasefire or the verifications, and it will be settled with military force. I think Trump is keeping this option in his backpocket.

    In the short-term though the Hormuz will be opened, oil prices will drop, Trump will be in good shape for the midterms. Assuming the GOP holds Congress, Trump can handle Iran as he wishes on his timetable.

  6. I have long held, but never enunciated to anyone, this itching suspicion as follows.

    Trump prides himself on his deal-making. He even wrote a book about it.

    But has he ever addressed, in “The Art of the Deal” or elsewhere, the “Art” of dealing with vicious, fanatical would-be martyrs? My guess — I haven’t read his book and I don’t plan to — is that he’s dealt with adversaries who are extremely difficult but who are not over-the-top feral nutcases.

    I trust Trump to have hard-nosed street smarts about all this, very unlike Obama and/or Biden. But I don’t trust Trump to really know what the h#ll he’s doing, not due to any particular deficiency in Trump but due to a dearth of people who have actual experience dealing with what/whom we’re dealing with.

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    Hey, by the way, what happens to Trump’s deal on January 20, 2029 when Newsom/AOC becomes president [should Vance/Rubio not come to pass]? Will everything then be for naught anyway? (What about going forward into the 2030s and 2040s and beyond? At some point, the Democrats will again be in charge.)

    Addendum: I totally agree with huxley (3:05 pm), “that this deal won’t lead to a lasting peace. Iran will inevitably break the ceasefire or the verifications, and it will be settled with military force. I think Trump is keeping this option in his backpocket.” I will trust Trump regarding that last option. But his successors? . . .

    And what about 2029, 2030s, 2040s and beyond?

  7. @M J R:
    “Hey, by the way, what happens to Trump’s deal on January 20, 2029 when Newsom/AOC becomes president [should Vance/Rubio not come to pass]? Will everything then be for naught anyway?”

    Yes. See April 1975 and Vietnam. The Democrats would sell their own mother out, if she had anything to do with a Republican. And doubly so, if she had anything to do with Trump. They have no honor.

  8. Obama’s agreement with Iran was never a treaty, and this will not be either (or so I assume). If Iran breaks any agreement (and I presume it will, under its current management), we are not bound. Trump’s goal, besides turning Iran into a minor regional power instead of a major threat, has been to re-shape the Middle East. He is also re-shaping the global energy markets in the US’s favor, besides, not to be ignored, changing the power dynamics in the Far East. These are not small accomplishments.

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