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Hating Elon Musk; hating Boomers — 14 Comments

  1. I think it is completely fair to say that Boomers rode a flood tide, and young people today are riding an ebb tide. Doesn’t mean Boomers didn’t have to work for what they had, but it does mean that some of the things Boomers did no longer work, and this is behind some of the frustration.

    For example, one reason health insurance is so expensive for young people is that they are paying high premiums and deductibles to fund the expenses incurred by Boomers now. When Boomers were young there was not this top-heavy old population to care for, and what was done for those oldsters was far less than is done now, and so while young they didn’t pay nearly as much and could more easily build capital.

    Unlike life insurance, health insurance does not sit on money; what the Boomers “paid in” was spent long ago, and what is being paid out for Boomers is being paid for by younger people. Medicare is of course using current tax money to pay for Boomers’ care, but the payroll taxes have stayed at the same percentage for a long time at least; on the other hand Medicare does not pay its share of health care costs: providers and hospitals balance their budgets on the backs of people with employer coverage, and charge private insurance 2 – 4 times as much they charge Medicare.

    This is not a blame thing, this is just the way it is. A few Boomers were involved in making this system what it is, along with lots of other people who are a very small part of the population, and almost everyone else has to deal with it, regardless of whether they are winners or losers by it.

  2. Mao’ist propaganda from the Cultural Revolution; hate your elders, reeducate, confiscate, and kill them.

    I’ve been told that Social Security will be bankrupt when I am retired for at least 30 years now. It looks like 2030 – 2032. I’m still working full time, my 67th was years ago.

    Hasan Piker can bugger off.

  3. This is such an idea and concept rich post.

    Niketas’ comment is interesting. Insurance is always a system of socializing costs. Health insurance is one of the worst (in terms of spreading costs far and wide) and very expensive.

    I’ve many thoughts, but I’ll start with this one: Real Estate.

    Two days ago was out with one of my oldest new friends (post marriage) who is house shopping. She’s looking for her second real estate purchase in about 2 years, looking to re-locate, and these California prices are rather high.

    So she is educating me a bit on the current state of these sorts of transactions, and she mentioned that putting 20% down is now the norm. Huh… Clearly, this is basic stuff, but it immediately made me think of 40+ years of home financing.

    Long ago, 20% was typical. (40 or 50 years ago?) But people on the left would gnash their teeth and complain about all those people who don’t have the 20%. So then for a number of years 10% down was common. Not good enough? Well, maybe just a few percent down will do. So the rigor of the loan qualification was going down, down, down.

    Many, many other things happened that affected the stability of the mortgage market, including the somewhat bizarre financial practice of creating “Collateralized Debt Obligation” securities. Which IIRC, was originally spurred by the S&L loan disaster starting in the late 80’s. And the result of all of these actions was the credit crisis of 2007 & 2008. I will note that the vast majority of the actions that help cause the crisis were created in an effort to supposedly lessen the effect of income inequality.

    So now we’re back to 20% down. Who’da thunk it? Think, unintended consequences of what went before.

    And I recall this point about real estate back in 2008 – 2010. Many GenXer’s were getting their butt’s handed to them with declining home prices, and possibly a handful of Millenials. Some survey of that time said that the vast majority of Millenials felt that they were never ever going to buy a house. We’ll just rent instead.

    My thought: Oh, this will not end well for them! A blindingly obvious point or tactic is that you want to wait through most of the home price declines, and then BUY. My home shopping friend did exactly that, and she & her now ex-husband bought their first home at a rock bottom price, around 2008.

    Second point. Investing in securities:

    Warren Buffett is well known for saying this, but it dates back to about the 1890’s. “Start buying when there is blood in the streets. Even if some of the blood is yours.”

    The credit crisis of 2008 was something of a once in a lifetime opportunity. Were you able to capitalize on it? Did you? A huge question and problem is, “What do I buy?”

  4. From hero to the progressives (Tesla EV’s) to hated symbol of wealth.
    I think the fact that he aligned too much with Trump and, of course, DOGE accounts for much of the about face for many.

  5. Hasan Piker hasn’t done anything constructive so far as I am aware. Calling Elon Musk “a …failure” is complete nonsense. Do people think at all when they watch this bilge?

  6. A huge part of the financial problem of the younger generations is the massive wealth transfer to colleges & universities that has taken place. Someone has to pay for the salaries of all those administrators, the mansions of the university presidents, the fancy buildings and dorms, the Indoctrination departments, the largely-useless ‘education’ departments, the sociology professors raging at America, etc eetc

  7. Please recall that Congress and the President during the period running from 1945 to 1947 managed to re-arrange the federal budget and the tax picture such that we went from a deficit equal to about 13% of gross domestic product to a surplus of 2.5% of gross domestic product. The civilian unemployment rate in 1948 averaged shy of 4%.
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    That generation was composed of responsible stewards to a degree subsequent cohorts cannot match. The last of the responsible stewards retired around about 1960. Each successive set of cohorts has been more and more profligate and less and less concerned with the public interest.
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    Please recall that among the world’s affluent countries (by the metrics of the day) in 1928 were the Southern Cone republics in South America. Thence followed > four decades decades of comparative decline. There has been some relative improvement in the last fifty years, but they’ve never regained their position.
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    The median vintage of our dreadful federal legislature is supposedly 58 years. This isn’t the ‘boomers’ screwing you at this moment.
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    The most notable bad actors during the financial crisis were of that demographic set, to be sure.

  8. A huge part of the financial problem of the younger generations is the massive wealth transfer to colleges & universities that has taken place.
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    Congress and the state legislatures could repair this. They’ve done squat. That would require imagination, a commitment to the public interest, an indifference to the rice bowls of Very Important People, and indifference to social narratives.

  9. Hasan Piker hasn’t done anything constructive so far as I am aware.
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    You’ve always had arrogant fools in this world. This man takes it to a stupefying level. The trouble with our times is that a critical mass of the electorate does not recognize this nonsense for what it is. Exacerbating that is a that those who do not are drawn disproportionately from the population of foreigners among us (Mamdani’s electoral base, as it happens).

  10. I posted this elsewhere a few days ago:

    “Bernie’s fulminations against ‘the oligarchy’ are nothing more than squid ink, intended to deceive in the same way the ‘billionaire’s tax is in California.

    “Bernie and his fellow travelers know that billionaires as well as the merely wealthy can afford high-priced attorneys and tax accountants to legally avoid just about any scheme the left might seek to impose (short of confiscation followed by execution). Sanders, Jayapal, Schumer, et al want to punish middle class and upper middle class people who are merely comfortable: small business owners, mom-and-pop landlords, MDs paying off their medical school loans, retirees whose homes are finally paid off, etc. etc. Those people are vigorously opposed to social engineering schemes and identity politics, and therefore must be taught a lesson, good and hard.

    “Someone should ask Bernie if he has any thoughts he’d like to share on what the Bolsheviks did to the kulaks.”

    Anyway, it’s not like Musk had a trillion dollars in cash deposited to his brokerage account. The shares could go up, they could go down, and IIRC there are rules about how long shares in a company have to be held following an IPO. Insiders are obligated to hold their shares for a certain period of time.

  11. I did a search on whether Boomers actually had more wealth than previous senior generations. Here’s Google AI’s reply, for what it’s worth:
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    From 1947 to the present, personal income per capita in real terms has quadrupled. I don’t know why you would not expect the real value of people’s assets to improve as well. That someone born in 1948 has more valuable assets than did someone born in 1932, that someone born in 1932 had more wealth than did someone born in 1913, and that someone born in 1913 did than someone born in 1890 is unremarkable.
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    Asset values are more volatile than income flows, to be sure and you do have periods of declining incomes and declining asset values (the longest and most severe being from 1929 to 1933). You could very well have a reversal of fortune hitting future generations: a ghastly inter continental war, intramural disorders up to civil war, or a financial collapse brought on by unsustainable debt accumulation would generate that to one degree or another. A great many people will cast their ballots for the politicians most likely to take us down these roads, and they haven’t got a clue.

  12. No doubt the thieving pigs would settle for transfer of spacex stock in lieu of money, after all, they can print money.

  13. Boomer: “You can begin by not being silly, wasteful people. Starbucks and designer foods have never been necessary. Neither is a 60? TV screen.”

    True!

    I’m a boomer (1958 model) and growing up we had ONE TV in the living room.
    You watched what your parents had on the TV or you didn’t watch. Our TV was in black and white while our grandparents set had a color screen that was placed in front of the TV to make it look more special. The colors sort of rotated around so that people’s faces would change from red to yellow to green or some other color. When we watched TV at our grandparents’ house we thought that was the coolest thing in the world!

    Oh, and BTW, we had no channel “clickers” – YOU were dad’s remote control (“hey, how about one of you kids change the channel for me?”) You had to look though the TV guide to know what was on when and what channel. There was only the choice of the three major networks, PBS, and maybe a couple of local stations – no cable with a thousand and one choices.

    Starbucks was NOT a thing. Coffee for anyone under 18 in our house was forbidden. No coffee until you were over 18, and even then it was made in grandma’s percolator. Mr Coffee didn’t come out until later.

    Fast food? Ha! If we had hamburgers it was made by mom from ground beef bought at the supermarket (and maybe grilled by dad in the summer on a charcoal grill). I didn’t have fast food until I was in high school when a coach treated us to a hamburger at McDonald’s when we won our game.

    Phones? There was ONE landline in the house – in the living room – and it was shared by all. You would be told to get off the phone if mom or dad was waiting for an important call. And the embarrassment of talking to someone of the opposite sex while everyone in your family listened because they were in the same room – argh!?

    Designer food? Maybe the closest was TV dinners. Mom worked full time, as dad did, which meant that she didn’t always have time to cook. So we would occasionally be treated to a Swanson TV dinner. (I especially liked the ones which had a chocolate brownie in the one compartment for dessert) Other nights it was leftovers – everybody come to the kitchen and choose which leftover you wanted and mom would heat it up on the stove top (microwaves weren’t common until much later).

    Playdates? Never heard of them. If you wanted to get together you rode your bicycle over to a friend’s house and around town looking to see where most kids were “hanging out.” And maybe we would start a pick up game of softball or something. Growing up in the country we did a lot of “bike hikes.”

    Lastly, yes, our parents allowed us freewill; but with responsibilities. Go ahead and stay up late at night; but you are still responsible for getting up, showering, and catching the bus in the morning. And God help you if your grades slipped! Extracurricular sports? Sure you could go out for a sport in high school; but you were then in charge of doing you own laundry for your sweaty sports clothes. (I was actually kind of shocked when I got to college and found other students in my dorm had never done laundry before)

    Oh, I almost forgot – we ALL had chores to do. It was just expected. And in the summer time you could earn extra money doing yard work for the neighbors.

    While I do feel the younger generations have some things much more difficult today (housing costs for example); I guess if I say to the younger generations today “suck it up buttercup” their response would be “okay boomer” while still sipping their Starbucks and looking at their Smart Phone.

  14. Anybody doing such stats knows that extremes affect the mean, median, and mode and distort the picture of the rest of the sample. Many economists, wanting to be more granular than quarters and eighths use quintiles and deciles, And the top of the top are usually excluded from the top decile for obvious reasons. So if that did not happen in these stats, they’re off.
    Was the cash equivalent of a pension included? Could be pretty fat.

    After some moving around, my folks bought the home I grew up in about 1955. It’s hasn’t been improved since my dad did some work. Sale price is ten times what my folks paid–on a fifteen year note. It’s in the middle of a block in the middle of a subdivision in the middle of a township mostly looking like that and endless square miles surrounding any city and many towns from post-war subdivision building.
    Figure to be comfortable making the payments need two folks making about $15/hr full time.
    Probably 95% of my high school class of 62 grew up in such homes. Three bedrooms, one bath, but the basement was plumbed so that another toilet could be added. Half the basement finished into a bedroom with room for two beds, closets, built-in desks.
    People may or may not sneer at such a place to lay one’s head–know a couple who have–but it was a HOME. Still is.
    Can start there.

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