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  1. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14779853/school-apologize-pay-student-illegal-alien-christian-mcghee-north-carolina.html
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    The administrator is named, not the teacher who complained about the youth in question. Another example, in case you needed one, that school administration is (more than any other salaried occupation) a collecting pool of clowns. You’ll notice a secondary feature was the misconduct of two members of the school board. School boards are liberally salted with people who are agents of the teachers-college-school-administration-union nexus.

  2. Jimmy Stewart had a major part in a Thin Man Movie. When he was in “Its A Wonderful Life”, he was suffering from PTSD. A Pilot in WWII, flew missions over Europe.
    His adopted Son lived in the same dorm as I did. It was said that Stewart visited him several time, but I never say him. The Son was a Marine Officer, died in VN.
    A great actor.

  3. From the time she was a preteen my wife had a huge picture of Paul Neuman in her bedroom.

  4. This Hollywood trivia item is my favorite anecdote about Robert Redford being an exceptionally handsome man.

    The Graduate [1967]
    Robert Redford screen tested with Candice Bergen for the part of Benjamin Braddock [played by Dustin Hoffman], but he was finally rejected by director Mike Nichols. Nichols did not believe Redford could persuasively project the underdog qualities necessary to the role. When he told this to Redford, Redford asked Nichols what he meant.

    “Well, let’s put it this way”, said Nichols, “Have you ever struck out with a girl?” “What do you mean?” asked Redford. “That’s precisely my point,” said Nichols. [Ha!]

    Redford told Nichols that he perfectly understood the character of Benjamin, who was a social misfit. He went on and on about his ability to play the part. Nichols finally said to him, “Bob, look in the mirror. Can you honestly imagine a guy like you having difficulty seducing a woman?”

    The link between Nichols and Redford began when Nichols directed his first Broadway play “Barefoot in the Park”, starring the then little-known Redford.

  5. “Well, let’s put it this way”, said Nichols, “Have you ever struck out with a girl?” “What do you mean?” asked Redford. “That’s precisely my point,” said Nichols. [Ha!]

    Redford told Nichols that he perfectly understood the character of Benjamin, who was a social misfit. He went on and on about his ability to play the part. Nichols finally said to him, “Bob, look in the mirror. Can you honestly imagine a guy like you having difficulty seducing a woman?”

    I used to be so envious of my college roomate. He was this 6’2 blond haired lean surfer/stoner dude who was extremely good looking, laid back and affable. Anywhere he went pretty girls would approach him. He didn’t even have to try. Must be nice.

  6. Nonapod: Marilyn Monroe is reported to have said “If you can make a woman laugh, you can make her do anything.”

  7. Surprised Gregory Peck, for one, wasn’t there instead of Stewart.

  8. Re: handsomeness

    One of my favorite old films is Spellbound [1945]. I’m a sucker for psychological mysteries & it’s a decent Hitchcock film. I’ve watched it many times, but it wasn’t until the 4th or 5th viewing that I correctly understood one of the sub-themes of the script and plot.

    That theme is that Ingrid Bergman’s character is an icy or even frigid woman until she meets Gregory Peck, who melts her. My misperception is perhaps a judgement issue on whether the man hitting on her early in the film is extremely handsome & desirable, or not. In my initial viewing, I always thought this male actor, John Emery, was something of a jerk who overestimated his appeal, and thus Bergman was merely a woman with a modicum of taste and standards. The script wants us to believe that he is quite hot and a catch, and she is frigid.

    It also occurred to me that public perceptions of handsomeness and beauty evolve over time. This actor Emery has a passing resemblance to Errol Flynn, who was supposedly hot stuff in his day.

    Here are two stills of John Emery from the film. The first one is the one where he is hitting on Bergman. The second is a better frontal shot. (Of course, his acting and behavior is a factor as well.)

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038109/mediaviewer/rm845989889/
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038109/mediaviewer/rm3687615745/
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    Yes, I would have picked Gregory Peck over Stewart for the top five. Even though I greatly prefer Stewart’s acting. Maybe that’s why Stewart is in the top five. His acting is top drawer, IMO.

  9. there was this distinguished air about both peck and emery, the voice in particular for the former, hence when norman lear, did those pfaw commercial he used peck to sell the gravitas of his argument,

    I think that was around the time, he filmed that macarthur film

    its interesting how certain characters who were underdogs, like redford, play the villain later in life, the winter soldier, a similar element happens with the last few films sigourney weaver has been in, where she is the corporate frontwoman, most recently in the Gorge, there was another one, where she played a spymaster, opposite
    bruce willis and henry cavill one wonders what role steve mccqueen might have had later in life,, probably in the same vein as paul newman, william hurt who was a heroic figure (altered states, among others) who ended up as an antagonist in his later years, not quite a villain, same with his often costar, blair brown,a similar dynamic to sigourney,

  10. Sean Connery? Burt Lancaster? Rock Hudson?

    Five spots is not enough.

    Clark Gable never appealed to me. From a different age, perhaps.

    But for sheer handsome longevity, Paul Newman aged like fine wine.

  11. even if you take mid century as the standard, it would be a hard list. to compile,

  12. huxley:

    The comments at the YouTube video were also overwhelmingly for Newman as the one to beat. He was exceptionally handsome – although from the evidence of his autobiography (which I once read) he was not a happy guy. His unhappiness stemmed in part – if I’m recalling the book correctly – from the fact that he thought a great deal of his success was for his looks rather than his achievements. But he was also a very good actor.

    I never thought Gable was so handsome, but many many people certainly did. In the comments at YouTube, quite a few people thought the early Marlon Brando should have been on the list.

  13. Not Terribly Original Sin-apalooza Tour continues to, um, “evolve” (with KJP—and her “agent”—appearing in a most curious cameo role).

    Short version : The sleeze-bag Democratic Party plot revealed!

    Bizarre ain’t the word…

    “Now It Can Be Told.”—
    https://instapundit.com/724074/

    Hey, just another intricate plot.
    Just another massive coverup…

  14. yeah Brando in the pre Corleone days, the Young Lions where he played a Nazi officer,, Ugly American where he was the Ambassador,, certainly had matinee looks, he was increasingly type cast after that period, the briefing picture in Apocalypse now, was certainly from that era, that Mutiny on the Bounty picture,

    in the next generation you have the likes of Mel Gibson, to cite one example from Mad Max throught the Lethal Weapon franchise,

  15. Bitterly disappointed that Fabian, Frankie Avalon, and Victor Mature didn’t make the list.

  16. Brando circa Streetcar Named Desire seems a more obvious choice than Jimmy Stewart.

  17. yes thats a very narrow selection, no matter how you slice it,

  18. Why are you all leaving out Gene Kelly? He was a great actor as well as dancer.
    Errol Flynn looks better than John Emery IMO.
    Stewart looked much more handsome in his youth, judging from the pictures.
    Also what period is “classic” supposed to cover?
    Let’s face it: nobody becomes a Matinee Idol if they aren’t at least in the 9.5 range of looks.

  19. Thumbs up for Gene Kelly and the young Brando!

    I’m also partial to William Powell and Robert Mitchum, who are handsome enough, though perhaps not possessing the handsome firepower of those already mentioned.

    What about someone like Humphrey Bogart? Not classically handsome, but he had something going for him.

  20. My mom once met Victor Mature while crossing the street in Victoria, B.C. She said he was better looking in public than on the movie screen.

  21. Robert montgomery in the lady in the lake zachary scott in a whole series of films including makarios noir is full of them mitchum in a whole arc through the 50s with jeff bridges having taken up the torch in the 70s and 80s

  22. Errol Flynn, definitely.

    Gary Cooper, Laurence Olivier, Ronald Coleman, William Holden, Christopher Plummer…

  23. @Nonapod Anywhere he went pretty girls would approach him.

    I’ve known two guys like that. Heck, waitresses would pass their number to one of them, he had his pick. And it didn’t matter if the woman was married or not. The other guy was married to a very attractive woman who had almost the same effect on men. It was an interesting combination.

  24. Let’s face it: nobody becomes a Matinee Idol if they aren’t at least in the 9.5 range of looks.
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    Well, this
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    https://www.ultimatemovierankings.com/top-movie-stars-1940s/
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    purports to report (assessing the period running from the beginning of 1940 to the end of 1949) the box office earnings (in chained dollars) of the films in which the listed actors were the leads. The rank order (highs to lowest) is as follows: Van Johnson, William Bendix, Bing Crosby, Wm. Demarest, Thos. Mitchell, John Wayne, Edward Arnold, Walter Brennan, Bob Hope, Dennis Morgan, Dana Andrews, Ray Milland, Humphrey Bogart, Spencer Tracy. Crosby, Demarest, Hope, and Bogart I don’t think qualified as handsome. Wayne and Tracy might, but to a degree that was common-and-garden.
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    We all age. Van Johnson got kinda goofy as an old man:
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htac6gYbPRU#ddg-play

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