More on the Bibas family
Now Hamas is saying they’ll give back the body of Shiri Bibas. It will, I’m sure, be examined and the DNA checked to see if it finally means that this kidnapped mother’s body has come home to Israel.
Awful, terrible, nightmarish situation.
And Israel has also announced the following:
Hagari said the evidence clearly showed that they [the Bibas children] were not killed in an airstrike as Hamas claimed.
“Contrary to Hamas’s lies, Ariel and Kfir were not killed in an airstrike. Ariel and Kfir Bibas were murdered in cold blood by terrorists,” he said.
“The terrorists did not shoot the two young boys — they killed them with their bare hands. Afterward, they committed horrific acts to cover up these atrocities.”
“This assessment is based on both forensic findings from the identification process and intelligence that supports these findings. We have shared these findings, intelligence and forensics with our partners around the world so they can verify it,” said Hagari.
Hagari added that he spoke on Thursday with the children’s father, recently released hostage Yarden Bibas, who demanded that he tell the world what had happened:
“Yarden looked me in the eyes and asked that all the world know and be horrified by the manner in which they murdered his children.”
Unsurprising, unfortunately. It also still doesn’t give details, and we may have to do without the details. But “bare hands” indicate something like strangulation, perhaps.
It was also announced that the return of six living hostages will go on as planned on Saturday. The article added that, among the Palestinian prisoners slated for the exchange, seven elected to remain in Israeli jails.
It’s probably a lot better there than in Gaza.
Will be interesting to see when she was murdered. Suspect terrorists slaughtered her kids in front of her, probably days apart in order to maximize moms pain.
Probably video exists on Hamas “warriors” phones and provides entertainment for the killers friends and family.
I hate to say it, but “bare hands” could also include beating to death. There’s no reason to expect any limit on what individual Hamas murderers would do, once deciding to kill these babies.
pikkumatti;
Yes, it could include any number of extremely awful things.
As I said in the open thread. Time for Israel and the US to level the place. There are no innocent Palestinians after they cheered and celebrated these kids being paraded through the streets.
Remember, on 9/11 the Palestinians of Gaza were literally dancing in the streets in celebration of the terror attacks.
There’s only one ‘cure’ for the rabid.
The other day I said, “Call me a dreamer, but I don’t believe the world has infinite patience for [Hamas atrocities].”
Mongo responded, entirely within his rights, said “Ok, Huxley, you’re a dreamer.” Fine. I am an optimistic guy and I say optimistic things.
However, here at neo’s I notice Sgt. Mom commenting, “No f**ks left to give.” And now physicsguy speaking directly “Level [Gaza] and everyone in it.”
I’ve read these commenters over the years and find them decent, intelligent people, forthright but not extreme. It seems they have both hit a threshold with Hamas. Me too.
Furthermore, in the wake of the latest horrific Hamas behavior I am seeing similar exceeded thresholds elsewhere on the web. There are even Muslim imams speaking out, not so much for decency, but that Hamas makes Islam look bad. Glad they finally noticed.
Perhaps the times, they are a-changing. A preference cascade got Trump elected. There may be a preference cascade building, at last, against Islamic jihadism and barbarism.
huxley:
I’ve observed the same thing in coverage and comments on the right. I haven’t looked at the left, though. I don’t know if there’s any change there.
I think the most fervent Israel haters will just say Israel is lying and Israel is responsible for their deaths. “Israel is lying” is a defense that covers a lot. But not everyone will be able to cling to that.
Neo, you haven’t looked at the left, but I have.
It’s a cesspool.
Just for example, a respected Romanian American poet and essayist has retweeted, with approval, a comment about “the Zionist outrage at Hamas’ returning the deceased hostages.”
What a miracle of cognitive dissonance.
I haven’t looked at the left, though. I don’t know if there’s any change there.
neo:
Good question. My intuition is that the American left can’t help but be horrified by the Hamas atrocities, but they won’t say anything bad about the Palestinians, so they don’t say anything at all.
I just checked Daily Kos (still a thing). Searching its home page on all current news items yields zero, zilch hits on “Hamas,” “Israel,” “Gaza” and “hostages.”
Cowards.
If any group of ‘humans’ deserve genocide it is the savages in Gaza.
“I haven’t looked at the left”
You don’t have to look at the left. They NEVER admit they were wrong, about anything.
huxley & neo…I know I’ve reached the end point of my hope that a peaceful solution for Israel vis-a-vis Palestine can be reached. I’ve maintained for a long time that Islam must be “quarantined”…but I don’t even know what that means any longer.
If Israel turned Gaza to glass tomorrow I wouldn’t blink. I know we’ve seen at least two “Grand Muftis” reject the behaviour of Hamas & Palestinian butchers as bringing shame on Islam…so would they “blink”?
You already know what I think and what I believe should be done.
Shiri Bibas’s body has now been returned to Israel and identified. No word yet on whether she was also deliberately murdered.
Huxley, I said you were a dreamer but you’re not the only one. I would not object to ANYTHING Israel did to rid the world of these creatures. Unfortunately, as others have said in this and other threads, the left cannot say anything bad about the Gazans, so I don’t hold out much hope.
The situation in Gaza, with Hamas can’t be endured. It just cannot be (especially for Israel), any more than the existence of Imperial (and militarily aggressive) Japan could be, or a murderous and totalitarian Nazi Germany in WWII could be endured by the Allied powers. I am sure that there were charming, house-proud housewives in Germany, and adorable, doe-eyed children in Japan – but dumping tons of HE on the first, and vaporizing the second was seen as a regrettable necessity by Allied aircrew. Had to be done to neutralize the threat posed and damn the consequences, even for the relatively innocent.
I read a comment on another blog, regarding the murder of the Bibas children: a comment suggesting wing-tip to wing-tip B-52s, dropping bombs on Gaza until the highest thing there is one concrete block on top of another. I read it to my daughter, and said that I really hated that I had got to the point of essentially approving genocide. And my daughter (the mother of a little boy the age of the Bibas toddler) looked at me and said, “They are due the same degree of mercy they would show us.”
There were other Israeli children and babies also murdered on Oct. 7th – it’s just that the Bibas children were seen to be captured alive, and we so hoped for their eventual return in the same condition. That the Gazans made such a ghastly triumphal show out of returning the bodies. As I said before – no f**ks left to give.
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Israel can use B-52s, but doesn’t need them for Gaza — rather, it needs them for use over Iran. Those bunker busters are some large heavy suckers, and the IAF is gonna have to drop heaps of ’em.