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  1. Trade is a double-edged sword and so much so, that it is not unusual for enemies to continue to trade even when actually at war. Most of us are probably old enough to remember that the US sold wheat to the Soviet Union. None of us are old enough to remember the early 1700s, the Dutch continuing their carrying trade with France even while France was trying to conquer the Dutch, and the allies of the Dutch being extremely cranky about it.

    Germany has been selling cars to Russia using Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Armenia as cut-outs, and Europe is still buying Russian natural gas.

  2. @Karmi:help Putin to built a modern Military

    What do you suppose Russia is doing with the money that they get from Europe for natural gas? Besides buying German cars and aircraft with it, that is. Probably spending on their military? Nah, that’s what the sanctions are there to prevent. Lol.

  3. Niketas Choniates – yeah, Russia’s military is looking real modern, huh. NOT!!!

    Maneuver warfare is out for Russia, so they’re doing Trench warfare now. Attack helicopters…guess they’re not spending any Euro money on those either. Aircraft protection from Ukraine’s rockets – mostly nonexistent…Ditto on they’re not spending much Euro money on that. Tanks? Nope…remodeling WW2 tanks with all that Euro money…Geez!?

    Well, investing all that Euro money in upgrading their trenches, huh…Ditto on the Geez!?

  4. Typo: In this sentence, “I also found this article, from a curious group that appears to be from the somewhat-isolationist segment of the right:” — “this article” does not have a live link.

  5. Maneuver warfare is out for Russia

    Presently maneuver warfare is out for everyone, especially at the operational level but also at the tactical (battlefield) level — unless we’re talking about tank-infantry teams moving through and fighting in towns and village streets; which may be considered tactical maneuver warfare, but really isn’t. The use of drones and precision missiles (including, notably, shoulder-launched antitank missiles), along with the ever-increasing capabilities of such weapons systems, has severely limited the effectiveness, not to mention the survivability, of mobile formations operating in the open. This is especially the case for the use of tanks and lesser armored fighting vehicles, but also of aircraft and helicopters. Employing fighter aircraft to establish air superiority over battlefields as a prelude to achieving victory with ground forces is no longer a viable strategy, at least for the time being. Achieving air superiority is now mainly the function of infantry hiding in holes and trenches using shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles to shoot aircraft from the sky — a relatively easy and inexpensive way of neutralizing enemy tactical air power. Likewise the new generation of hand-held precision guided weapon systems have rendered as virtually obsolete rotary attack aircraft (i.e.helicopters) along with the doctrine formulated for their use.

    All of which is to say, the technological pendulum of warfare has swung back to favor the lowly foot soldier. This situation will certainly not obtain forever, or even possibly for very long. The pendulum will swing back: it always does. But for the time being, and into the foreseeable future, infantry fighting from cover will dominate the battlefield. What we are witnessing in Ukraine is nothing less than a new revolution in military affairs, attributable in large measure to the development of drones and drone warfare.

  6. T“he technological pendulum of warfare has swung back to favor the lowly foot soldier. — for the time being, and into the foreseeable future, infantry fighting from cover will dominate the battlefield.” IrishOtter49

    That would appear to greatly favor the far more numerous Russian army. However, I perceive that in modern land warfare, satellite identification of targets and the precision that provides artillery, are more determinate factors in achieving dominance on the battlefield. It is that which has allowed Russia to advance westward despite all the weaponry the West has provided Ukraine.

  7. IrishOtter49

    Maneuver warfare is most certainly not out for everyone. Russia’s lack of being able to conduct maneuver warfare is due to many things…too many to explain whilst trying to watch TV and type on this durn tablet. However, these many Russian weaknesses are some of the VALUABLE things Ukraine has exposed, and that info is worth far more than the aid we have given to Ukraine.

  8. Re: Sanctions:

    (1) Which sanctions? We have a lot of sanctions on Russia. Lifting sanctions is not necessary the same thing as lifting sanctions on dual-use tech.

    (2) Sanctions were supposed to be our devastating leverage that would cause Russia to cry uncle about two years ago. It turns out that wasn’t quite the case. To the extent that sanctions are leverage to get concessions from Russia now, though, you kind of have to lift them (or at least most of them) in order to deploy the leverage.

  9. Some people seem to be forgetting that the Russian military does not exist in a vacuum free of Chinese military and tech support.

  10. That would appear to greatly favor the far more numerous Russian army.

    No, that doesn’t follow. I think you know why.

    satellite identification of targets and the precision that provides artillery, are more determinate factors in achieving dominance on the battlefield.

    This point was, or should have been perceived, as implicit when I wrote “the use of drones and precision missiles.” In the event precision artillery (both gun and rocket/missile artillery) are not more determinate factors in achieving dominance on the battlefield but rather determinate factors in enabling infantry to dominate the battlefield. Petain’s famous dictum that “artillery conquers, infantry occupies” is no longer true; in fact it never was, and Petain, along with the countless Poilus who assaulted the German trenches on the Western Front after the preliminary artillery bombardments ceased, damn well knew it. Battles on the Western Front were won or lost (or stalemated, as the case may have been) by the infantry. Artillery merely facilitated (and, too often, hindered) the infantry in their work. This is equally true of the fighting in Ukraine. In war some things never change or, at the least, are highly resistant to change. In Ukraine artillery can do a fine job of ravaging mechanized formations, but it does not conquer nor does it dominate: in the end it is always infantry that must take and hold the ground pounded by artillery to achieve victory.

    As T.R. Fehrenback observed re the Korean War: “Americans in 1950 rediscovered something that since Hiroshima they had forgotten: you may fly over a land forever; you may bomb it, atomize it, pulverize it and wipe it clean of life—but if you desire to defend it, protect it, and keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground, the way the Roman legions did, by putting your young men into the mud.”

  11. Neo, your last part, i.e. JD Vance’s talk with WSJ was proved as a fake news. JD already pointed out in X that WSJ twisted his words.

    Trump’s goal is to lower energy price, therefore offsetting the possible inflation caused by incoming tariff wars. Lifting sanctions on Russia, allowing more Russia oil and gas on world market help lowering the oil and gas price.

  12. Russia loosing 1500 casualties a day in infantry warfare can hardly be considered a benefit to the motherland.” At present it is the only thing they can do, “poor bloody (dead) infantry” indeed.

    It appears the Russian attacks in Donetsk have culminated and the Ukranians still hold parts of Kursk.

  13. And as regards having to rely on infantry (Russia) to storm defensive positions (Ukraine) Russia appears to be wanting to revisit WW1. It takes logistics to feed, arm, and move an army even one of infantry. It is telling that Russia is now using horses, donkeys, and civilian-grade motor vehicles. Anything that moves is targeted by drones and drone supported arty.

    Poor bloody infantry; see Ukraine (or Kursk) and die.

  14. Buying Russian oil benefits Russia. You want forever wars?

    No 3D chess needed. It ain’t rocket surgery.

  15. om,
    Actually high oil price benefits oil export countries like Russia. You cannot defy the invisible hand of the market.

  16. When I said that infantry warfare is presently the dominant form of warfare I did not say that infantry would not suffer grievously. It will, and in Ukraine, it is. My point is, infantry warfare is the only way to fight with any hope of achieving results, however high the price of achieving results may be.

    The only way to avoid paying that high price is to not fight at all. But if you’re going to fight, you’re going to have fight, mainly, with infantry.

  17. If one is stuck using just infantry warfare in 2025 something is seriously wrong with your military.

    Infantry warfare is old, but so is maneuver warfare – military campaigns date back to those of Alexander the Great, and probably even earlier.

    Russia is unable to get infantry, tanks, helicopters, basic communication, air force, etc to work in unison—together.

    There may be modern terms for a newer version of maneuver, but the concept seems to be the same.

    mkent – linked to at beginning of the post did a most excellent job of how certain sanctions have helped cause/force Russia into WWI trench fighting…

  18. An unexpected result of brutal and Russian approach may be the mutiny and collapse of the Russuan army. Look back to what happened to the French army 1917. A near collapse avoided by Petain.

    IIRC the Tsar’s army fell apart in 1917 too. Trench warfare reliant on infantry has its risks to nations.

  19. St dude:

    No, what I quoted was not “fake news.” Vance did in fact say that the WSJ had “twisted” his words in the interview. I believe he was talking about the indendiary headline, which I didn’t quote. The WSJ did interview him and they apparently posted the transcript, and the part I quoted was not twisted and there was nothinig fake about it.

    The transcript of the relevant portion:

    Q: Is there a sense as to what is the stick for Putin? I mean, obviously any kind of deal would have to entail an implicit threat that you have to stick to this or else you have to even sign on the dotted line. Is there any pressure that you’re thinking of?

    Vice President Vance: I think certainly look there, there are instruments of pressure, absolutely and again, if you look at President Trump’s approach to this, the range of options is extremely broad, and there are economic tools of leverage. There, of course, military tools of leverage. There’s a whole host of things that we could do. But fundamentally, I think the President wants to have a productive negotiation, both with Putin and with Zelensky.

    Q: So just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You’re saying that even though the possibility of an Ukraine NATO accession at the end of this process, or even the presence of U.S. troops in Ukraine is not officially off the table?

    Vice President Vance: I think the President has been very clear that he doesn’t like the idea of moving Ukraine into NATO. He’s been very clear about that. I also think the President is very clear that whenever he walks in a negotiation, everything is on the table.

  20. Watching a drone fly through the open door of an armored vehicle to kill the troops inside or smacks some grunt on a ATV in the back miles behind the line tells me there has been a paradigm shift. A foxhole is not much protection when a FPV drone drops a mortar shell right on you.

  21. “When Did @WSJ turn into the Huffington Post?”

    If it’s the, ahem, “news” section of the WSJ it has been as wretched as the NYT and WaPoo for a long time now. Absolutely biased and worthless. It’s coverage of Gaza is close to unfiltered Hamas propaganda, replete with unchallenged quotes from the “Gaza Health Ministry”. And similar bias oozing from the headlines on anything having to do with the Trump administration. The opinion section is better but far from perfect. The main thing keeping me subscribing now may be the Saturday number puzzles …

  22. Chases Eagles:

    Indeed it is likely that staying put in an entrenched position long enough for the drone operators to find you isn’t a good survival strategy in Ukraine.

  23. And to St Dude:

    Buying Russian oil gives who hard currency? Buying Russian natural gas gave who leverage over European response to Russian foreign adventurism?

    The populists will sell Russia the rope that that will hang them. Self interest is sometimes short sighted.

    What did the Gods of the Copybook Headings say about the Gods of the Market?

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