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  1. This woman, writing in todays WSJ, doesn’t exactly speak for me, but I think many here will appreciate – Why I Voted Against the Democrats.

    https://archive.md/6MFTe

    And I think we can all appreciate this bit of eloquence:

    More than anything, I cherish freedom of expression and believe it is our most spiritual right. Prayer, poetry, stories, music—they’re what lift us above this mortal space. Ideas have metaphysical weight. I’d rather die than live in a world without this freedom, which I saw Democrats repeatedly trying to control and restrict.

  2. Very good.

    I have to say, I didn’t so much vote against the Democrats as I voted for Donald Trump. Because of his record and his stated agendas and policies.

    Also I like him. I think he’s funny.

    It was a positive vote.

  3. …That’s what Americans like me voted against. We didn’t vote for Mr. Trump. We voted to stop the cancerous mutation of well-intended ideas misused by institutions, turned self-serving and dictatorial by an elite few. This is the story of so many catastrophes, from Lysenkoism and the internment of Japanese Americans to weapons of mass destruction and the Patriot Act. We’ve been watching parallel manias unfold on myriad fronts….

    [Emphasis mine; Barry M.]

    So Lysenkoism is a “well-intended idea”??

    Well I guess it’s a start…but this person has a ways to go…

    (Any time I come across a “They’re BOTH terrrible” argument, I know there’s a short circuit in that person’s reasoning abilities…or his/her courage….)
    OMMV…

  4. Jes’ readin’ the coffee grinds….

    (Is Erdogan next? Or is he a tea drinker…? Actually, Kool-Aid more likely…)

  5. Just beautiful sdferr, which brings to mind yet another WSJ editorial – Trump’s Win Means It Isn’t Iran’s Middle East Anymore.

    https://archive.md/FWnIO

    The pressure is on them to succumb to Israel’s terms. In one of Mr. Trump’s biggest applause lines at the Republican convention, he warned, “We want our hostages back, and they better be back before I assume office or you will be paying a very big price.” That threat is now operative, and the clock is ticking.

    As they say, read the whole thing.

  6. yes I’m going to do a hard pass on lysenkoism, the patriot act, was the wrong solution to the right problem, gorelick deliberated blockedcommunications between the bureau and the company, now was the latter

    playing games trying to recruit the san diego team, that part is unclear, as was the knowledge of the saudi support apparat in the country,

    in FRWL the spy chief was a coffee drinker, but on telenovelas specially of a contemporary nature, they do seem to drink tea,

    Trump is admittedly a blunt instrument, not everyones cup of tea, but he was probably the only one with ganas that could have pulled it off, consider this archipelago of interests, and faction that were stitched together,

    you could probably not imagine such a thing, those in bensonhurst and the bronx to milwaukee to dearborn, to los angeles,

  7. one doesn’t have to make excuses for the right choice, conversely the father of lies, has to work overtime, there were so many hot takes, how shamelessly they were willing to prop up a progressive, that didn’t even really try to get her message across,

    now she was carrying the Galapagos turtle that was the Biden administration on her back, I’m sure shes glad shes free of that,

    where will she end up, I think even Dr Evil will hesitate to employ her initially, maybe on a probationary basis, I don’t count them because like freddy krueger of jason voorhees they never evarr seem to go away,

  8. Trump is . . . not everyones cup of tea. . . .

    True. But he’s MY cup of a tea.

    There are no philosopher kings.

  9. Trump’s my cup of tea too! I voted for HIM, while also voting against every democrat on my ballot.
    I like the guy. I don’t get the hand-wringing, or the constant need for some to preface every comment about him by stating perceived failures in his personality or his speech. IrishOtter49 is right – there are no philosopher kings. Nor are we electing a pastor or a pope.

  10. Baruch Spinoza stifles a guffaw behind his hand. It’s his world and you’re all welcome to live in it.

  11. Count me in as one who ENTHUSIASTICALLY voted for President Trump.

    I got to do that 3 times.

    I think the D’s made a HUGE mistake shoving Plagiarist Biden down our collective throats.

  12. The other fascinating part about the news of the Titanic sinking, was the role of wireless communication, or shortwave. Long before the story appeared in the print news, at least as a first hand account, the information was spreading across the country via shortwave. (I wonder how many early print articles appeared based solely on shortwave info. Don’t know the answer to that.)

    The problem was that as the info. spread from radio to radio, it morphed in a manner similar to “the game of telephone.” The details became so corrupted, and so much consternation ensued, that legislation was passed to regulate wireless. A precursor to the FCC was created.

  13. Trump has outlined his plans to deal with the Deep State.

    1. “Immediately reissue my 2020 executive order, restoring the President’s authority to remove rogue bureaucrats.”

    2. “Clean out all of the corrupt actors in our national security and intelligence apparatus.”

    3. “Totally reform FISA courts which are so corrupt that the judges seemingly do not care when they’re lied to in warrant applications.”

    4. “Expose the hoaxes and abuses of power that have been tearing our country apart.”

    5. “Launch a major crackdown on government leakers who collude with the fake news to deliberately weave false narratives and to subvert our government and our democracy.”

    6. “Make every Inspector General’s office independent and physically separated from the departments they oversee so they do not become the protectors of the deep state.”

    7. “Ask Congress to establish an independent auditing system to continually monitor our intelligence agencies to ensure they are not spying on our citizens or running disinformation campaigns against the American people, or that they are not spying on someone’s campaign like they spied on my campaign.”

    8. “Continue the effort launched by the Trump administration to move parts of the sprawling federal bureaucracy to new locations outside the Washington Swamp.”

    9. “Work to ban federal bureaucrats from taking jobs at the companies they deal with and that they regulate.”

    10. “Push a constitutional amendment to oppose term limits on members of Congress.”

    Most of it sounds pretty good. But I’m a little unclear about 10, is he saying wants no term limits at all?

  14. Karmi asked about Trump’s choice for Chief of Staff, Susie Wiles.

    Mark Halperin, Sean Spicer and Dan Turentine discuss her at length in this episode of 2 Way. From experience, one of the most important choices Trump will make.

    They talk about the transition.

    Post-Election: A Real-Life Claudia Jean Cregg | Friday, 11/8/24 | The Morning Meeting (S3E3)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO3gOdRi-ec&t=218s

  15. That makes more sense, Bauxite. And I heartily agree with the idea, although I seriously doubt it’ll ever happen of course. It’s not like Congress would ever vote to give themselves less power. For such an amendment you’d need a 2/3rds majority of both houses, which there’s just no way you’d get that many. Or something like 38 states to vote for it in a convention, which may be slightly less impossible I guess, but still unlikely.

  16. Mike Plaiss, I subscribe to the WSJ, so I can go read those articles, but your archive links don’t work for me.

  17. Miguel said
    where will she end up, I think even Dr Evil will hesitate to employ her initially, maybe on a probationary basis,

    I hear she already has an offer and will be starting at the fries station on Monday at McDonald’s.

  18. After all the dust has settled doubtless Kamala will end up in some well paid sinecure at a univerisity or lefty law firm. She’ll live a life of comfort and leisure, but she’ll recieve little regard from her fellow travellers. It’s likely we’ll barely hear about her ever again. Her primary legacy will likely be that she was the absolute worst presidential candidate that the Democrat party ever put forth in its history. Also she will serve as a stark example the failings of choosing a candidate due to DEI rather than actual merit, not to mention the perils of anointing a candidate rather than actually have people vote for them in a primary.

  19. @Nonapod:After all the dust has settled doubtless Kamala will end up in some well paid sinecure at a univerisity or lefty law firm.

    She’ll get to deliver $50,000 speeches.

  20. I’d say Newsom just burned his chances at POTUS to the ground. Reacting like a hysterical woman. Special session, really? What a dope.

    Harris will probably be rewarded like Lightfoot at some university with one BS class and a fat salary.

  21. She’ll get to deliver $50,000 speeches.

    While there’s certainly no shortage of leftwing aristocratic dolts with more money than brains, I’m skeptical that she’ll even be able to command that figure. Maybe $20,000?

  22. I’d say Newsom just burned his chances at POTUS to the ground. Reacting like a hysterical woman. Special session, really? What a dope.

    Chases Eagles:

    True.

    I’d say that the Harris campaign has also blown Newsom’s chances for a run at the Biggest Brass Ring.

    Who is going to vote another radical Democrat from California for POTUS any time soon?

  23. Well, uh, memories ARE short.
    …And who knows? Maybe by the time the next one rolls around, the powers that be will be able to wipe ours entirely…or at least rewrite history the way they want it…

  24. My lunch time show out the window is a seagull eating a bufflehead. Buffleheads are diving ducks. There was a boat hunter out here this morning. Boat hunters irritate me. Too many of them take long crippling shots because they can chase down the cripples. Shore hunters don’t do that.

  25. Here’s a good question.

    In the 2020 election, while Trump got around 72.2 million votes Biden supposedly racked up 81 million votes.

    In this 2024 election, while Trump got around 74.3 million votes, Harris got only around 68.8 million votes.

    Where are the vast numbers of, the 11 or so million more Democrat voters who supposedly voted for Biden in the 2020 election, but who didn’t show up/vote for Harris?

    * See https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2024/11/08/trumps-2024-popular-vote-exceeds-his-2020-level-over-11-million-voters-still-missing-n4934113

  26. Iran plot to assassinate Trump revealed: Three charged with planning to kill president-elect after election

    REPs are never going to learn…sanctions don’t work with Iran:

    10 things Trump can do to clean up Biden’s messes abroad

    Iran

    Which brings me to the single most important thing Trump can do in the Middle East.

    Now is the time to slam the sanctions back on. Iran has seen its terror proxies crippled by Israeli military and intelligence in the past year. Now is the time to go for the head of the snake.

    Trump supporters want sanctions – AGAIN?!?! Who are the Trump supporters expecting to cut the head off of the snake?

    With Trump on the way back, Israel should be confident that its responding counter-strike destroys the mullahs and wipes away their nuclear ambitions once and for all.

    Oh, this sh*t again, i.e., Trump gets tough with sissy sanctions again, and America lets little Israel do the actual fighting against Iran their Axis of Resistance…Geez!?

  27. I mentioned the other day that Trump may get another shot at selecting three new SC Justices – Thomas, Alito, and Sotomayor (whom I mentioned looked like she could pass away at any time). Now this:

    Dems at War Over Secret SCOTUS Plot to Oust Sotomayor

    The Democratic Party is secretly fighting over whether to try and force out Justice Sonia Sotomayor to avoid the specter of Donald Trump sending the U.S. Supreme Court further to the right.

    Senators are reportedly at odds over whether to put pressure on Sotomayor—the first Latina justice—to step down while Democrats still have the power to usher in her replacement.

  28. @ Nonapod > “Trump has outlined his plans to deal with the Deep State.”

    Charlie Kirk’s link is a video of Trump making this announcement, and he as some heart-felt ad-libs that are not in the transcription (I heard “impose” term limits, but it was muddy; there will probably be an official press release soon).

    I support everything he plans to do, and note that the very existence of these plans, as expressed and begun in the administration of Trump 45, is part of what motivated the hysterical Deep State reaction.

    BTW, the FBI is now officially on notice about initiatives like this one:
    https://notthebee.com/article/the-fbi-says-theyre-aware-of-offensive-and-racist-text-messages-and-encourages-citizens-to-rat-on-each-other

  29. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that those offensive text messages were coming from foreign places, or from someone here trying to make it look like it’s from Trump people. Remember Jussie Smollett.

  30. I, too, voted FOR Trump (and against every single democrat on the ticket here in TX). Straight red down the line. I confess to not voting for Trump in 2016 (voted libertarian), but did in 2020 and of course this time.

    I’ve become very fond of him, and I’m very much looking forward to the beautiful and elegant Melania Trump being First Lady again.

  31. The Post-Dispatch and the World were both Pulitzer papers, so the reporter from the Post-Dispatch could count on the editor of the World to not ruin the scoop. Famous of “yellow journalism” at the turn of the century, the World became a worthy competitor to the Times and perhaps the leading Democrat paper in NYC. During the Depression, the Pulitzer Family sold the World to Scripps-Howard who closed it down to get rid of its competition to their own NYC paper.

    Susie Wiles is the daughter of Pat Summerall, a football player and sportscaster, who some might know from his commercials for True Value hardware (his broadcast partner, John Madden, was the spokesman for Ace hardware, a competitor).

  32. Karmi, we had opportunities to take out the theocracy in Iran during the GHW Bush administration and the Obama years.
    We punted.
    At this point, I’m not sure it’s possible to find a secular resistance to take the reins. We can’t just take out the mullahs and let the civil war begin.
    I do think Israel is slowly proceeding with their war until Trump is President and they will likely take out as much of their nuclear program as possible.
    Short of that, our policy should be to make Russia understand that it would be in their best interests to distance themselves from the theocracy. That might come at the expense of Ukraine’s territory.
    I don’t think Trump wants to start a regional war, but he might give the Saudi’s the green light to restart their anti-terrorist campaign against the Houthis.

    Whatever they do, Trump has said explicitly he doesn’t want a protracted war with Iran.

    You keep asserting Trump’s previous sanctions weren’t effective. Have you given the source material for that position? If so, I didn’t see it.

  33. Now I’m conflicted: should Trump close down the FBI or FEMA first?

    https://notthebee.com/article/the-heck-official-docs-show-fema-official-ordered-workers-to-ignore-houses-with-trump-signs

    There are screencaps of the supervisor’s instructions to do so, and of workers’ notations that they did.

    Probably violated all sorts of Civil Rights laws, but NTBee opines that there are unlikely to be any real repercussions.

    They have demoted the official; however, as we saw with Lois Lerner and FISA liar Clinesmith, and many many many others, once the heat is off, they go right back to work or get a payout from the treasury for their trauma.

    At least the election results have encouraged whistleblowers to come forward, who might otherwise have held back for fear of Harris Inc retaliation.
    That could still happen, but I hope the Trump legal team has someone assigned to this beat.

  34. Brian E

    Trump’s sissy sanctions were the equivalent of forcing the Rapist to wear Condoms during any future Rapes…

    Sure, they hurt the Iranian citizens, but did very little if anything to slow Iran’s support of terrorism, and the growth ‘n support of the Axis of Resistance.

    They didn’t seem to slow down Iran’s nuclear program either.

    I have never said that taking out the ruling Mullahs was a priority. My point has been that Trump should’ve been taking out Iran’s Navy capability, their Military equip, barracks, weapon production, nuclear sites, etc.

    Source? Open you eyes. Right wing sources praise Trump ‘n the sanctions. Left wing sources debunk the sanctions. Do your own research—the sissy sanctions did nothing to stop Iran’s goals…a mere bump-in-the-road…

  35. Karmi, I think you’re just making it up. Give me the source of your assertion that Trump’s sanctions had no effect.
    Why should I believe you?

  36. Karmi:

    You make an assertion of fact with no link to a source at all, and then, when asked to provide one, you refuse. It isn’t very persuasive. Better to provide a source and explain briefly why you find it more credible than sources that say the opposite.

    And of course the left says one thing and the right says another.

    Here is the list of Iranian sanctions under the Trump administration. And here is a government spokesman explaining the policy and answering questions about it, including about the attitude of the Iranian people, who in surveys blamed their leaders for the economic hardship. Also, although terrorism funding did not stop under the sanctions, it was markedly reduced. The sanctions, far from “sissy,” were unusually comprehensive, as you can see from the links.

    And of course the sanctions were only a bump in the road. The major ones were imposed in May of 2018, and when Biden became president he lifted them. That’s not a whole lot of time. Sanctions are not a magic panacea.

  37. More on the FEMA Civil Rights violations (that is what they are, and should be prosecuted as such; hold the Left to their own standards — somebody famous recommended that).
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/3224829/scalise-promises-house-investigation-after-fema-official-blocked-aid-to-florida-trump-homes/

    Scalise’s announcement Thursday evening came after the Daily Wire reported that a FEMA official ordered employees to “avoid” Florida homes “advertising Trump” after Hurricane Milton hit the state.

    “Denying disaster aid to Americans based on their support of President Donald Trump is as disgusting as it gets for an unelected bureaucrat being paid by American taxpayers,” the lower chamber’s top Republican declared in a statement to X.

    “The House will be investigating this outrageous abuse of power,” Scalise continued.

    The federal agency has confirmed whistleblowers’ reports that FEMA supervisor Marn’i Washington told employees it was “best practice” to skip Trump-supporting homes as they canvassed Florida neighborhoods to determine who needed assistance following the recent Hurricane Milton. FEMA workers skipped at least 20 known homes with Trump signs or flags under Washington’s direction.

    FEMA said it was “deeply disturbed by this employee’s actions” and claimed that the agency works to “hel[p] all survivors regardless of their political preference or affiliation.”

    After the Washington Examiner pressed FEMA on whether the agency had fired the official who denied aid to Trump supporters, it replied, “We have taken measures to remove the employee from their role and are investigating the matter to prevent this from happening ever again.”

    The answer is “no, she hasn’t been fired.”
    Until Democrats start having consequences for their behavior, it will continue.
    That is not vengeance, that is justice.

  38. I missed this because I don’t always go to Hot Air for news anymore, but I regret the loss of Mr Shaw, whose posts I always enjoyed.

    The posts are all eulogies, and none of them tell exactly when or how Jazz passed away.

    https://asburyparkdinnertable.org/blog/jazz-shaw-death-obituary-influential-hot-air-journalist-passes-away/
    “Shaw’s unexpected passing has left friends, family, colleagues, and readers in deep sorrow, marking a significant loss for media outlets that valued his insightful commentary, humor, and commitment to journalistic integrity.”

    https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/10/31/rip-jazz-shaw-1959-2024-n3796530

    https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2024/10/31/jazz-shaw-rest-in-peace-n4933832

    Memorial show – Zoom link in this post.
    https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2024/11/08/remembering-jazz-our-live-show-tribute-n3796787

  39. A twofer…
    neo

    Links to so-called “sources” are pretty much useless nowadays. Fake news isn’t just from the Left (MSM), it’s also from the Right (RWM).

    I’m working on a brief comment later this morning—to ask a question of recent news reported by RWM compared to another “source” that seems to dispute it.

    • neo said: ‘And of course the left says one thing and the right says another.

    • neo said: ‘Also, although terrorism funding did not stop under the sanctions, it was markedly reduced.

    • neo said: ‘And of course the sanctions were only a bump in the road.

    Those were some of the points I had tried to get across to Brian E in my comment. I didn’t read your provided links (thanks anyway) because I had already covered the research on the Trump sanctions, and made my decision from that search and Iran’s continued support of terrorism AND Iran’s continued growth ‘n support of its Axis of Resistance. One only needs to looks at Iran’s actions during the sanctions and within the first year that Biden ended them – to see they were a mere sissy action by Trump.

    Brian E

    Karmi, I think you’re just making it up. Give me the source of your assertion that Trump’s sanctions had no effect.
    Why should I believe you?

    You suffer from both TDS & Cult of Personality, IMHO – Thusly, there is no way I would try to make you believe me…

    Meanwhile, per “source” link at Nov 8 5:16 pm:

    America lets little Israel do the actual fighting against Iran their Axis of Resistance…Geez!?

    That RWM New York Post article suggests that Trump’s supporters want to leave Iran free to destroy Israel…let Israel do the fighting, and MAGA Right America can just put sissy sanctions on Iran during that fight. Hopefully Trump does more than that…

  40. “Knots an hour”?

    Journalists were just as ignorant in 1912 as they are today.

    One more thing. Why do people nowadays use “debunk” when all that has happened is the subject is disputed?

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