More evidence that Trump wanted increased security on J6
Well, well, well:
Committee on House Administration’s Subcommittee on Oversight Chairman Barry Loudermilk (GA-11) revealed that days before January 6, 2021, President Trump met with senior Pentagon leaders urging them to do their jobs to protect lives and property. The transcripts released show Trump gave senior Pentagon leadership directives to keep January 6 peaceful – including using the National Guard – which the Pentagon leaders ignored. This revelation directly contradicts the conclusions drawn in the flawed DoD IG reporton January 6, 2021.
Loudermilk also said they will continue to dig until the American people know the truth. I wonder what percentage of the American people will get the news, though. And I also wonder if it would change the minds of many – or any – Democrats about what actually happened on J6.
I just sent the highlighted area to my “Other Brother”. He hates Biden/Harris/Dems, but believes that Trump tried to overthrow the govt on J6, and the cop was killed by Rioters on J6. (And Floyd was murdered by a cop). I know it won’t change his mind, but I send him stuff anyway. Kind of poking the Bear.
I tell him, A Closed Mind is a Terrible Thing to Waste.
Not the first time ‘Commander in Chief’ Trump was unable to get the military to follow him. As I have said before, he lacks leadership ability beyond used car lots & real estate offices. I suspect that we’ll get more of the same if he is elected again…
He doesn’t lack leadership ability. The military was insubordinate. The Lt. Col. who testified against him, in uniform, in that Ukraine impeachment sham was never disciplined.
Democrats, for all they claim to stand for “democracy,” simply refused to accept Trump as the legally elected president.
What good is a so-called ‘Commander in Chief’ who is leading an “insubordinate” military?
Ukraine? Yeah, I remember Trump getting mad at Ukraine because they wouldn’t give him Biden’s head on a platter. That shows a serious lack of leadership ability, IMHO.
Just more evidence that the deep state basically runs this country.
A president and all his appointees are merely “temp” workers in positions of legal authority, but not in reality.
The deep state can lie, deceive, delay, thwart, misinform, obfuscate, etc, .etc., just to “run out the clock,” and wait for new leadership that will be more in line with what they desire (e.g., folks like Obama, Harris, Biden, to name a few).
Just watch a few congressional oversight hearings to see how many agency heads give the middle finger to Congress, and not much else. Congress can hold folks in contempt, but this is meaningless and those testifying know this. They are immune from any real consequences.
In fact, the only agency head that I can recall that actually quit due to congressional pressure was the former head of the secret service, Kimberly Cheatle. And IMHO the ONLY reason she quit was because her incompetence even pissed off a bunch of democrats.
( I use the word incompetence under the assumption that the SS just F’d up in protecting Trump in Butler, Pa. Of course, their “incompetence” could have been intentional, in which case, it would not have been incompetence.)
The deep state has to be drastically cut in size. If Trump wins and appoints folks to clean up the swamp, it will not work because deep state employees cannot be fired. They will tell their new temporary bosses – the Trump appointees – what they want to hear, make believe they are following orders, and that will be the end of it.
Nothing will change.
The deep state has to be cut in size by at least 50%.
But Congress will never agree to this; no democrat will, and most likely congressional republicans will be too chicken to do it anyway.
Sort of paraphrasing Eric Hoffer:
Every good idea – say, a implementing a govt. agency – begins in good faith, then becomes inbred and arrogant, and eventually degenerates into a racket that exists primarily to preserve and enhance its own power.
Kate is correct, Karmi is wrong.
A single man, even if POTUS, cannot discipline multiple Pentagon subversives.
The Pentagon’s staff at issue are insurrectionists, and, likely, Democrats.
Plus, they are civilians and have not taken any pro-America, pro-Constitution oaths, unlike those who serve in our nation’s military.
Apropos Trump’s leadership, there is something in the military known as “insubordination,” and it merits severe discipline, including time in the brig. In the navy, there is a species of this known as “mutiny,” which (at least in Ye Olden Tymes) merited death by hanging. See, e.g., “Mutiny on the Bounty.” There is a reason that the military abjures insubordinate behavior. It is because it results in utter breakdown of unity, discipline and eventually, causes defeat. It is what happened to Trump because Obama made sure to get rid of as many traditional and honorable members of the leadership cadre as he could and replaced them with lickspittles, sycophants and careerist desk-sitters instead of leaders of men. I hate Obama with the passion of a thousand supernovas, because I know what he did. My animus is only sightly less for all the democrats and RINO traitors who enabled him to do his dirty work. But give it time; I think I can work up an equal amount for them.
The insubordinate Deep State and military/intelligence functions are exactly why they are resisting Trump with everything they’ve got, including turning a blind eye to assassination risks. This isn’t just a political battle about who will be president.
Steve,
Your hatred of Obama is NOT misdirected. The multitude of dummies among us have no idea of Obama’s ruin of the USA, a ruin which continues.
Wrong as it is, the history on this has already been written.
Has anyone got a good plausible explanation for why the deep state views POTUS Trump as such an existential threat who must be destroyed at all costs?
neo wonders, “I also wonder if it would change the minds of many – or any – Democrats about what actually happened on J6.”
Of course not, any illegality, any lie, any depravity is justified by the end sought.
JohnTyler,
Re: “The deep state has to be drastically cut in size. If Trump wins and appoints folks to clean up the swamp, it will not work because deep state employees cannot be fired.
There’s more than one way to skin that skunk. Vivek Ramaswamy pointed out that while deep state employees cannot be fired… the President does have the authority to impose mass layoffs on Federal agencies. When Congress moves to impeach Trump over it, he should direct his DOJ to charge democrat and RINO members of Congress with insurrection. If the senior leadership of the DOJ refuses to do so, that’s insubordination. Which is a firing offense…
It’s not the means that are lacking but the will to be as ruthless as they.
Cicero,
“A single man, even if POTUS, cannot discipline multiple Pentagon subversives.”
Sure he can… IF he has all directives issued in writing and follows up on his directives. When he issues a directive, demand in writing an immediate copy both acknowledging the directive and of it being forwarded to the appropriate parties. Failure to do so is legal grounds for termination. Also, he needs reports from covert whistleblower personnel down the chain to ensure both compliance and that agency management aren’t acting to sabotage the implementation of Presidential directives.
Trump is an “existential threat ” because he cannot be controlled by them. He is a rich and successful man with no need for a post- office career like so many politicians.
John Guilfoyle, the bureaucracy views Trump as an existential threat to its continued power, including salaries and kickbacks. In their view, government by unelected “experts” is good, and Trump’s efforts to restrict its power is evil.
Kate,
Government by experts is a notion that goes way back, to Plato and Socrates, circa 500BC, IIRC.It is a bad idea, around for a very long time!
That would be a very bad teaching concerning either. But then, recovering the thought of the ancients isn’t the business of the moderns, who work diligently in the contrary direction to bury those old fellows entire. Better, I’d reckon, to study up on Condorcet and his ilk.
The fundamental transformation of America continues apace, now with the female version of Obama, installed by the Deep Blue State that is intent on keeping power. These are dark times.
First we’re told that Trump doesn’t have a sense of humor (at least NOT the sense of humor one would like him to have).
Now we’re told that Trump couldn’t even control a huge government bureaucracy, much—if not most—of which was and IS STILL grotesquely arrayed against him.
Now THAT’S funny!!
(I guess we’ll also have to be told that Trump wasn’t able to tame a hysterically hostile—in fact, monstrous—media and info-tech sector….
GOOD LORD!!! CAN’T OMB DO ANYTHING RIGHT???…except improve the lives of Americans, make the economy—and the country—stronger, stay out of foreign conflicts, provide some real hope for Middle-East peace, and reveal the utter corruption, hypocrisy and criminality of the Democratic Party and the media???… for starters…)
Has anyone got a good plausible explanation for why the deep state views POTUS Trump as such an existential threat who must be destroyed at all costs?
1. They are Democrats/Socialists/RINOs and crave power.
2. They have acted seditiously and treasonably, and want to avoid punishment for that (including losing their jobs).
3. They are totally corrupted, including collusion with foreign nations, such as China.
Michael K on September 21, 2024 at 6:12 pm said:
“Trump … is a rich and successful man with no need for a post- office career like so many politicians.”
I would think there are many people who can qualify with independent income after leaving office [perhaps at least a million citizens?], so they could tell their naysayers to go pound sand. In fact, a tour of government duty could enhance their ability to increase their income and financial security [but that is a topic for another day].
Now, most people could not resist the level of lawfare being directed at Trump, financially or psychologically/temperamentally. That is still a concern but the recent SCOTUS ruling on immunity while in office might help there. That ruling might not apply to lower level federal employees to the same degree, but we may have to wait for the appeals processes from folks like Navarro and Bannon to know for sure.
Does anyone know the number for the DNC Complaints desk? We deserve a better troll than Karmi. Maybe if we asked to speak to a supervisor…
“Now THAT’S funny”
Zerohedge asking the really important questions!
(To be sure, it’s purely rhetorical…)
‘“Who’s Running The Country…” – Why Is Jill Biden Chairing A Cabinet Meeting?’
File under: Make Amnesia Great Again!
Often have wondered if the true story of the Democrats Coup d’etat will ever be told. Way too many people had to pull strings here and there. The amount of pre planning is evident, the likes of getting the players in place didn’t happen in a day, even a week. Some parts, as in any plan fell apart real quick ( Hanging Scaffold and Bomb Plot) but the milage they got out of Sicknick dying made up for those.
Maybe 50 years from now, who can know?
…Keeping in mind that “He/She/It who controls the present controls the past; and he/she/it who controls the past controls the future”(TM—updated for current contingencies) is precisely why the Democrats intend to win in 2024 and, as in 2020 and 2022, don’t have any compunctions WRT what they’ll have to do to win it…
So the answer to your question is, “Maybe sooner, maybe later, maybe never…”
…Though if Murphy’s Law (or some sub-section of it) kicks in…
What good is a so-called ‘Commander in Chief’ who is leading an “insubordinate” military?
That’s not the first question. The first question is, what do we do with an insubordinate military?
If our military cannot be trusted to obey lawful orders, how are they different from a junta?
It actually isn’t even the second question. The second question, or maybe this should be the first question, is why has it become acceptable, especially to Democrats but here we all sit, silently waiting for Jan. 20, with “Dr. Jill” presiding over Cabinet meetings, that our nation is being run by nameless, faceless someones to whom, apparently, the most powerful military in history answers?
And maybe it’s not even the third question. The third question, or maybe this is the second or even the first, is, what will those nameless, faceless someones do the next time they’re crossed? COVID was one example – we saw what “They” did to the “insubordinate.” J6 was another one, if tiny and insignificant (though not to “Their” victims). We see what forces “They” have brought and continue to bring to bear against Trump and those who support him, and say they’re getting ready to deploy against Musk in CA, the “insubordinate” “rich” everywhere, the “insubordinate” gun owners, the “insubordinate” union members, the “insubordinate” parents…
Karmi, why are you OK with it? You’re just so sure you’ll never be judged “insubordinate”? That in fact you’ll be among the judges?
Good luck with that.
@ Jamie
Where the heck did I say that I was “OK with it”?! No where. Trump is a terrible leader—lacking in even the basic qualities of leadership.
Your first question should’ve been why wasn’t the German military “insubordinate” to Hitler…or other militaries who blindly followed their version of a bad Commander in Chief into disaster.
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Reading the linked article, it becomes clear that there actually WAS an insurrection on and before Jan.6: There was a common understanding among those in control of military, National Guard, D.C. police, and Capital Police, that they had no intention of following the direct orders of the President of the United States to provide strong security in advance of the anticipated protest around the Capital.
It’s fascinating (to me) and horrifying to see layer upon layer of deception, incompetence, and ass-covering. There had to have been clandestine communications between many of the parties to implement a deliberate plan to MAKE a riot probable and to allow it to continue for maximum propaganda purposes—those are the real optics they were trying to achieve.
The only good news is that there were plenty of people, such as the head of the Capital Police, who were honest actors doing their best to stop the madness.
The humble Kermit is an ignorant troll too. The german military were all in with the Austrian corporal, with the genocide, all of it. The few officers who tried to assassinate the corporal in 1944 were hunted down and executed.
Quite an ignorant troll.
“…plenty of people…”
Um, not sure that’s actually the case.
Do you have any sources?
(There were several people, sure, but “plenty”?)
Anyway, there’s basically one word for January 6: Pelosi.
(Though one certainly wouldn’t want to ignore the elegant—immaculate—role played by the Federal Bureau of Intrapment…)
Word Salad – CNN’s Jim Acosta Asks Harris Spokesperson Adrienne Elrod What Kind Of Gun Kamala Owns, Non-Answer Ensues
https://commoncts.blogspot.com/2024/09/word-salad-here-cnns-jim-acosta-asks.html
ps. would u please add CC to your blogroll? thanks!
The ‘Gay Commenter‘ om even flirts wid humble me on — Sundays…
Powerline on a roll:
1.
From the “Move Along, Nothing to See Here” Dossier (cross-filed with “The Smartest Guy I Know” File) the Devine Ms. M with another Humdinger for your reading
pleasure, um, horror….“What really happened in Ukraine with Hunter and Joe Biden: Exclusive Miranda Devine book excerpt”—
https://nypost.com/2024/09/22/opinion/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-with-hunter-and-joe-biden-exclusive-miranda-devine-book-excerpt/
2.
Very close readings and valuable, eye-opening—even iconoclastic—commentaries and dissections by the extraordinary Nathan Pinkowski on Hannah Arendt and (as a bonus) Francis Fukuyama…
“Hannah and Her Resisters”—
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2024/10/hannah-and-her-resisters
“Fukuyama v. Fukuyama”—
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2023/06/fukuyama-v-fukuyama
3.
Clarice Feldman on “A Week to Remember”—
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/09/a_week_to_remember.html
Opening graf:
Amazing stuff…..
Karmi, you are not amusing, as Victoria once said.
I have sort of bogged down in my HR McMaster’s book but I haven’t yet found anything about the post-Obama military. Of course, say (write) the wrong thing and his pension might be at risk.
@Karmi: Don’t let people bait you. The whole point of the baiting is to provoke a response from you that draws a rebuke from neo. There’s no reason you need to participate in someone else’s Mean Girl drama.
I will tell you this much: whatever opinions the commenters have here about you, fair or unfair, is based on what you yourself post, not on drive-by comments posted about you.
So why not just scroll on by when you see garbage comments instead of jumping into the dumpster with them?
My understanding is that military officers serve at the pleasure of the President.
So.
Trump takes the Oath in January. Then serve ALL the flag officers with the same letter:
“The People of the U.S.A. thank you for your service and wish you a pleasant retirement. You are relieved of all duties.”
Then purge the officer corps at the Captain/Colonel level. Same letter for any who showed craven submission to the Wokeists.
@David Davies:Trump takes the Oath in January. Then serve ALL the flag officers with the same letter:
Okay, but you have three problems:
1) How do you stop the people who used to report to them from continuing to take their direction from “under the table”?
2) How and when do you replace them, when the most senior positions have to be confirmed by the Senate, which is dominated by Swamp Things?
3) What happens when external enemies take advantage of a command structure in disarray?
I like the way you’re thinking, it’s just far from as simple as you put it.
And we haven’t even got into the Hawaiian judges who will rule that Trump is the only President who can’t fire people (they’ve already found he is the only President who can’t rescind executive orders).
All those young women during the past 50 years who have been told, and do truly believe, that they are “agents of change”, also believe that the Socialist system fixes everything.
Socialism makes the world a better place for more people. Their leaders who believe they have “earned” a position of total leadership are all members of the Federal government and now demand reward which is to be “the decision makers”, because they believe they will make this country a better place–just ask them why they don’t believe in truth or an agreed upon system of ethics!
I may have said this before and if I did, please excuse.
In 1985, I was asked by a 13-year-old girl, whose mother held a Ph.d in science and was active in the upper leadership of NOW this question:
“Do you believe it’s ok if a woman steals the original research and work of a male scientist and publishes it as her own?”
In my mind that explains exactly what has happened to our country–generation after generation of young girls have been taught that it is ok to steal from a white man.
Karmi is an absurdity.
How and why did she (it?) find this site?
Oblio (4:41 am) said: “Does anyone know the number for the DNC Complaints desk? We deserve a better troll than Karmi . . . .’
I am mildly saddened that there are those here who react in this manner to someone who doesn’t necessarily dance the circle dance.
I don’t see Karmi as a troll (I know that many do). He [Karmi’s a “he”, right?] does not appear to me to be given to, for example, spewing tired Democrat talking points from the daily morning Democrat talking points email blast and then prancing away, smugly satisfied that he’s successfully told all of us off once and for all.
I’m happy to get his [?] perspective(s); your mileage may vary.
It is hard being green, but Niketas will guide you Kermit.
It will take time to reform the military once Trump is elected (let’s be positive). However, he can make a major difference immediately by using an executive order to outlaw all DEI programs and spending in the military and in the federal government at large. The military should promote service members based on performance and fitness only, not on self-identification or ancestry.
Biden, in his Day One dictator mode, issued an executive order mandating DEI, that is, racial discrimination, across the board in every federal agency. The results have been toxic.
I think hes not very selecfive in his choices but he doesnt seem to learn from his mistake
Yes those hawaiian judges and their loaus we see now there was actual restrajnt polictly they were able to except
There was a fellow ck mcleod who had an unorthodox blog who lost the plot obsessed insophistry and german philosophy
Karmi is a troll because of his uncontrollable TDS, clearly preferring that Harris wins. Blaming Trump for being undermined by the deep state is like Pat Buchanan blaming Poland for starting WWII.
OT
🙂 – To answer a question or two: Women, Beta males, Charlie males, and Zeta males never had cellmates named Anthony ‘Tony’ Esperti or Richard ‘Ricky’ Cravero.
Forget the exact year, but the real internet hadn’t been out too long—by real internet I mean what came available soon after the AOL crap. Say mid-nineties plus+ or minus-…
It was before I became political, and there was a White Supremacist and/or KKK type of movement/s to take control of information on the internet. Around the same time I was doing Day Trading of Penny Stocks.
White racist movement had failed at their takeover. Day Trading of penny stocks required being at the computer just before and after markets opened—a pain to watch stocks that long, and so I had quit trading.
Don’t know how KårmiÇømmünîs† avoided the clutches of the SEC, but he was a nightmare for the White Supremacists and KKK promoters. Yahoo banned KårmiÇømmünîs†, and soon after some karmicommunist12, etc. started showing up, but I had moved on. Started a KarmiCommunist blog just before Google bought blogger.com.
Had become voting political in 2002, and I had Ed (the Captain’s Quarters & later Hot Air Ed) change my handle from KarmiCommunist to Karmi at the Hot Air site—around the Killian Docs time. KårmiÇømmünîs† > KarmiCommunist > Karmi…
Then purge the officer corps at the Captain/Colonel level. Same letter for any who showed craven submission to the Wokeists.
There was an old saying when I was in the military (as an EM). “Trust no one above O-6. They are all politicians.” It is true more than ever since Obama. A friend of mine retired from the Marine Corps as a Colonel after he was “damned with faint praise” by his commanding general. He was a legendary fighter pilot in Viet Nam and, after retiring, he started his own company that he sold a few years later to 3M for $23 million. The general was retired soon after for flying his girlfriend around in a Corps airplane.
M J R, I may know too many tired Democrats spouting tired talking points. The TDS Tourette’s is strong. The things Karmi says—they don’t really rise to the level of argument—are the kind they say when they want to deflect a criticism or hijack a discussion.
Seriousness and an intolerance for jejune banter have been a characteristic of this comments section for nearly two decades.
What I take from this thread is that the problems with the J6 narrative are obvious to many of us here. We know from polling that half the country more or less did not or does not believe it, despite its constant repetition. The J6 narrative is an article of faith for the other half the country, and they don’t want to know otherwise.
So we are left with a problem. The people who should know keep pushing the narrative. That includes judges, lawyers, and the National Security Establishment, who should be serious people. They also include politicians and pundits, and we know they can be extremely unserious people.
We are way past the point where this can be explained away as a normal misunderstanding. Someone has to go to prison. And some kind of generally agreed upon ground truth is not going to assert itself.
So what now?
Kate, regarding DEI and its affect on our country . . .
In the Mao era (1949-1976) the intellectuals and capitalists and others with ‘bad’ thinking in China were basically purged (sent down or killed). They were on the list of the ‘stinking nine’. It took China a few decades to climb out of the hole they dug. By purging these people they effectively dumbed down in a big way the knowledge base of the Chinese people.
Under the heading of ‘history rhymes’, I think a similar thing has happened here, American style. White men, who played a significant role (to say the least) in the development of our country are at the top of our stinking list. Just like those Chinese who were in the way of the revolution, white men are in the way of our ‘equality of outcome’ revolution.
My wife was born in Beijing in year 3 of the cultural revolution. She’s just old enough to remember a lot of the trauma. And, of course, the long climb out of that hole. To today’s Xi, but that’s another developing story.
Oblio (8:51) pm said:
“M J R, I may know too many tired Democrats spouting tired talking points.”
You ‘n’ me both . . .
“The TDS Tourette’s is strong. The things Karmi says—they don’t really rise to the level of argument—are the kind they say when they want to deflect a criticism or hijack a discussion.”
Your points are well-taken, although I have tended to see Karmi’s contributions here as being more in the all-over-the-map category. However, I happily confess to not keeping very close track, and therefore I need to happily confess to possibly being mistaken.
“Seriousness and an intolerance for jejune banter have been a characteristic of this comments section for nearly two decades.”
Another point well-taken.
}}}And I also wonder if it would change the minds of many – or any – Democrats about what actually happened on J6.
Doesn’t matter — the lying shit merdia will never report any of it.
Chris Rock being slapped by Will Smith had a longer news cycle than all the assassination attempts vs. Trump together.
}}} Cicero : Kate, Government by experts is a notion that goes way back, to Plato and Socrates, circa 500BC, IIRC.It is a bad idea, around for a very long time!
TBH, government by actual experts might not be that bad. These people are not experts, they’ve been defined that by various edicts from people in power.
I recall Amory Lovins, one of those “Nuclear Power” ‘experts’ of days long gone. He was, of course, “ANTI” Nuclear Power — The merdia anointed him an expert and had him on routinely. The man was so arrogantly ignorant that he once had the audacity to state “The only physics I ever took was ex-lax.” Yes, an understanding of basic physics is not required to know anything of importance about nuclear power.
SMH
THESE are most common kind of “Experts” floating around DC, BY FAR.
}}} Your first question should’ve been why wasn’t the German military “insubordinate” to Hitler…or other militaries who blindly followed their version of a bad Commander in Chief into disaster.
Actually, THEY were. They were fully ready, had Chamberlain not been such a spineless wimp, to oust him from power, when they moved into the Rhineland. Had the French, with English support, put a single company of Riflemen onto the ridge and said, “NO!”, the German Military was ready to take control from Hitler and depose him.
So, there is your answer — Chamberlain was a complete and totally useless head of state,
As for the USA, the USA has a long history of the military being subordinate to the citizen leader — the PotUS.
“Seven Days In May” scenarios to the contrary, there has never been a serious example of actual open insubordination against civil authority by the US Military. Truman-MacArthur is as close as that’s gotten, and even there, MacArthur was expressing overly aggressive bombast which did not fit with Truman’s plans. So he demanded MacArthur resign, and made it stick. And no one thought less of Truman for it.
Yes, we’ve had former generals become PotUS — Washington himself. Grant. Eisenhower. others. But they were no longer in the military when they became PotUS — by then, they were citizens.
Hard to believe that a majority of this board believes that Trump is a great leader—even a good Military Leader, as a Commander in Chief should be. Talk about TDS & Cult of Personality syndromes and disorders…
Integrity and Honor
• Ethical – ends with hiring of Michael Cohen.
• Honesty – most politicians lie, and I have seen Trump lie. Will give him a pass on that one…
• Integrity – fails on that because of his actions involving—basically seeking the head of a political opponent (Biden), and punishing Ukraine for not giving him what he wanted. It was unethical and dishonest at best.
• Accountability – most everyone knows that “The Buck” doesn’t stop with Trump—unless it is positiveness. All negativity gets passed on down the Chain of Command.
GW Bush got past The Swamp, DEMs, and MSM. The Military followed him. Bush knew how to setup great Teamwork, and Trump didn’t have a clue what it was. I like Trump as a person, voted for him twice, but he was a terrible leader, IMHO. Sure, the economy was great, but the fallout of his leadership was horrendous…
Should that/those top General/s who ignored his instructions/commands have been punished? Sure, but Trump didn’t do it. The General who went behind his back to the Chinese—nothing was done by Trump on that. Anyway, my 2-cents…
The German military gets a pass regarding what they could have, would have done but for Chamberlain. Those evil incompetent British upper class twits! (sarc) Where were the French? Eating cheese and dreaming if surrender? Somehow the Germans and their military spent a lot of tine and effort in the 1920s and 1930s preparing for another war, without the corporal and without the Brits and the French. Chamberlain is so useful though.
Another day, another Karmi, the humble Kermit, strawman. As neo has pegged him.
J6 was a Pelosi-rrection, a Whitmer conspiracy, a witch hunt in the model of ancient religions in progressive sects under the Pro-Choice ethical religion.
Stanley Baldwin, not Chamberlain was Prime Minister when Hitler moved into the Rhineland.
(To be sure, Chamberlain continued Baldwin’s policy of dilly-dallying and appeasement…even as Churchill had been consigned to political exile for most of the 30s…)
Karmi@7:10 a.m., now that you have called the majority of commenters who disagree with your theories on leadership members of a “Cult of Personality,” perhaps you will not be surprised to see said “cult members” scrolling past your future comments without reading.
@ Kate – I get called all kinds of names for not agreeing with the majority of commenters here. 😉 I still try to read everyone’s view—well, with the exception of one who can’t express clearly.
And you failed to mention that I also said TDS (since it works *BOTH* ways):
Hopefully you will continue to state your opinion/s to me…
Re: the Biden’s and Burisma / Ukraine
Did you all notice that the dumbpublican investigation into the influence buying / bribery case against the Bidet family just disappeared?
What happened to this investigation?
Why do we not hear anything about this?
I suspect it’s either the usual dumbpublican ineptitude or more likely that the “Deep State” has circled the wagons – yet again !! – to protect their pals.
If it’s the latter, they just need to wait till Kamala “Cackler” Harris becomes president and, poof, case closed.
Look at it from chamberlains perspective a generation of british youth had been lost on the soil of brussels and france, many including pope pius had been working through channels to try to force out der fueher the mueller path
There was no guarantee the bluff would win out churchill offered just more blood and tears
Too many parties were benefiting from this arrangement in europe as well as the us
1) How do you stop the people who used to report to them from continuing to take their direction from “under the table”?
Because things won’t be perfect isn’t an excuse to do nothing.
2) How and when do you replace them, when the most senior positions have to be confirmed by the Senate, which is dominated by Swamp Things?
Fire them first. Force Congress’ hand in approving new leadership. Let there be a vacuum until Congress does it’s job. That, and see the response to your first question, because it fits here as well.
3) What happens when external enemies take advantage of a command structure in disarray?
Objection: Assumes facts not in evidence. What makes you think that any new command structure will be in disarray? For that to happen, the first 2 items have to be true, and I already addressed theirs.
In order to fix this entire mess, it’s going to take bold moves. He can’t just wait around for people to retire or for those same commanders to stab him in the back again. That’s a recipe for repeating his first term. It’s time to get with the program.
Don’t let people bait you. The whole point of the baiting is to provoke a response from you that draws a rebuke from neo. There’s no reason you need to participate in someone else’s Mean Girl drama.
That is one very weird perception of what happened. Karmi drops a few trollish comments, people react to them, and that makes THEM mean girls?
We are way past the point where this can be explained away as a normal misunderstanding. Someone has to go to prison. And some kind of generally agreed upon ground truth is not going to assert itself.
Nailed it. Until heads roll, the corruption will continue.
Doesn’t matter — the lying $hit media will never report any of it.
This is a point not being addressed in the comments. And it’s right – if people don’t know what’s going on it may all be pointless.
Here is how I’d deal with it if I were Trump: have daily press briefings, but only invite fairer media sources: Fox News (to some extent), NewsMax, a representative from X, etc. When the mainstream media caterwauls and sues (which they will), they’ll find a willing judge to tell Trump he MUST accept the mainstream news sources in the press briefings.
Next step: pull an Andy Jackson: “The court has made it’s law – let them enforce it”, and continue on the same path.
It’s time the media got it back in spades.
@I Callahan:Because things won’t be perfect isn’t an excuse to do nothing.
No one said it was. There’s a lot of unexplored ground between “do nothing” and “immediately fire all the top ranks”.
Force Congress’ hand in approving new leadership.
Easy to say, harder to do. Congress is a coequal branch of government which controls government revenue and expenditure, by design.
What makes you think that any new command structure will be in disarray?
This thing you said here: “Let there be a vacuum until Congress does it’s job.” That vacuum is when you can expect external enemies to cause as much trouble as they can. The new structure will not hit the ground running; anyone who’s been in a large organization with a big shake-up has been through this.
pull an Andy Jackson: “The court has made it’s law – let them enforce it”, and continue on the same path.
It’s time the media got it back in spades.
I like this one.
@I Callahan:Karmi drops a few trollish comments, people react to them, and that makes THEM mean girls?
I was referring to one specific commenter with a long-established pattern of Mean Girl behavior toward people, not just Karmi, that he gets sideways with. I’m not talking about everyone who disagrees with Karmi. I disagree with Karmi nearly all the time.
That said the “troll” epithet is overused toward people whose opinions aren’t aligned well with the others. A troll intends to disrupt the community, and sometimes they do this by agreeing and amplifying the opinions expressed there. Karmi is a guy with a lot to say that he hasn’t always thought very hard about, nor does he seem to think much about how what he says might repel people from giving him a hearing (for example, invoking Hitler as an example of “good leadership” in contrast to Trump). But he doesn’t seem to be doing any of it for the purpose of starting a food fight, except in a couple of instances where he has put that intention up front (which is a rare move for a troll). I can’t read minds, so I could be wrong, just my observations.
Karmi is aligned with most people here on Israel, Iran, and Ukraine, and seems pretty gung-ho about direct US military intervention in these countries. He has reservations about Trump’s suitability for the Presidency. For me, I think Trump’s character flaws don’t offset the reasons why we need him in the Presidency, but I don’t think it makes sense to pretend he doesn’t have those flaws or jump all over people when they remind us of them.
Niketas the wise explains it all.
“Mean girl?” I’m crushed!
Someone takes himself too seriously?
Jack Smith will make sure to keep these revelations out of court when he gets trump thrown in prison for life (or in front of a firing squad) for insurrection next year.
“Not the first time ‘Commander in Chief’ Trump was unable to get the military to follow him. As I have said before, he lacks leadership ability beyond used car lots & real estate offices.”
By Karmi’s logic, Lincoln lacked leadership skills because he couldn’t convince the South to free their slaves. I think Lincoln had to fire a few generals before he got the army he wanted.
The problem with Karmi’s view is it ignores that Trump’s main focus was on improving our trade imbalance and increasing the growth rate of the economy.
In spite of the military bureaucracy insubordination, Trump did a masterful job of finessing the powder keg in the Middle East– from carving out a safe haven for the Kurds, pushing back against Russian meddling in Syria, neutering (at least temporarily) Iran, decapitating ISIS, and providing a framework that could have (and may still) allowed the Sunni states to make an alliance against the Shia state (which Biden abandoned).
This is the kind of leadership we need– results without war.
There could be entire libraries filled with books on what constitutes a good leader.
“I remember Trump getting mad at Ukraine because they wouldn’t give him Biden’s head on a platter. That shows a serious lack of leadership ability, IMHO.” – Karmi
Karmi isn’t even providing an example of where leadership is the prerequisite skill. This is more an example of using power– which Trump started to use but was thwarted by Congress using their power of impeachment and the media galvanizing public opinion against the President.
I’m not as sanguine as Niketas is about Karmi’s aims. He is definitely rooting hard for Trump to lose the election.
@Brian E:The problem with Karmi’s view is it ignores that Trump’s main focus was on improving our trade imbalance and increasing the growth rate of the economy.
I honestly think Trump was blindsided by the refusal of the government and military to carry out his directives. Trump has only ever run his non-public company which he owns and is free to organize as he likes, and free to hire and fire whom he likes, and that environment is a very different group from civil service drones and political appointees.
I’m not as sanguine as Niketas is about Karmi’s aims. He is definitely rooting hard for Trump to lose the election.
I don’t see Karmi doing this, I see Karmi saying he personally won’t vote for Trump. Some people see voting for someone as a very personal endorsement of that person. I don’t vote this way myself but some do. I don’t read minds, but this to me is why Karmi says he won’t vote for Trump or for Harris. Since Karmi’s in Florida this won’t make any difference.
Short version:
A. But, but the country is in danger of being utterly
transformeddestroyed!!B. NMP.
“…perspective…”
It is quite true that…
1. There was no public wish to fight, a view that was reflected by Britain’s political echelons.
2. The English (and French) military were in a state such that were unable, or convinced themselves that they were unable (see 1 above), to counter Hitler’s gambit.
3. The Americans, with economic issues of their own, essentially washed their hands of Europe’s problems.
4. OTOH, in spite of everything, and to their credit, Baldwin, and Chamberlain after him, believed there would ultimately be a war and understood that Britain was not ready for it and had to prepare. As a result, military projects WERE initiated, most notably but not only in the area of fighter aircraft design, e.g., the development of the Supermarine Spitfire, which played such a huge role in the Battle of Britain.
Barry Meislin:
Well stated regarding Baldwin, Chamberlain, and the late 1930s. The corporal had Mosley rooting for him, we had Lindbergh (and others), and then Stalin had his fan boys too …..
British appeasement long predates Munich. It was London’s regular reaction to conditions of imperial overstretch against peer. Christopher Clark (Cambridge) finds a British strategy of appeasement toward its imperial rivals in Asia and Africa at the heart of the diplomatic revolution that destabilized Europe before 1914. London regularly appeased Washington beginning in the 19th Century. The US threatened to declare war in 1862 if London recognized the Confederate States.
We should focus more on Germany’s re-militarization of the Rhineland in 1936 as the moment the French strategy of encircling alliances to contain Germany collapsed, and with it France’s security position. In brief, Paris knew it could not defeat Germany by itself, and so it built its defense around alliances in Eastern Europe and diplomatic/military support from London. French ability to assist its eastern allies depended on the credibility of its threat to re-occupy the Rhineland. (You could argue that the French military strategy of sheltering behind fixed defenses was inconsistent with this strategy, and you wouldn’t be wrong.) But when the moment of crisis came in 1936, Britain didn’t support France, and France refused to act alone, in what must have been one of the worst decisions in history. The British in 1935-36 were distracted by naval threats in the Mediterranean and East Asia as well as the revolutionary and, as London saw it, existential threat from strategic bombing, and it devoutly desired an Air Treaty with Germany to limit German re-armament. Another catastrophic misconception. At one blow, the two legs of French security policy collapsed. Subsequent events at Munich need to be evaluated in that light.
Oblio:
I could listen to you all night!
A British/Irish friend of mine argues that the point of the EU was for French and the rest of Europe to contain, once again, Germany.
huxley,
The version of that I have heard says, “NATO was created to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down.”