Hamas spokesman says no one knows how many hostages are alive
And what’s more, Israel must agree to a permanent ceasefire anyway.
It’s so hard to keep track of those elusive hostages:
In an interview with CNN released on Friday, Hamas spokesperson and political bureau member Osama Hamdan said that he did not know about how many of 120 hostages in Gaza are still alive. “No one has any idea about that,” he stated, adding that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) operation to free four hostages on Saturday resulted in deaths of three others, including an American citizen.
So neither he nor anyone else has any idea whether hostages are living or dead, but one thing they do know is that three were killed in the raid that freed the four hostages last week.
How do you know that a Hamas operative is lying? When his lips are moving.
That’s meant to be a joke in an unfunny situation. But it actually might be the truth that there is no person with an overview of what happened to every single hostage. It’s even possible that no person knows where they all are located, even just the living ones. As I’ve said many times, there were a lot of what I call “freelancers” from Gaza operating on October 7th, wild with the jubilation of satisfied sadism and the promise of money from Hamas for their captive prizes.
It’s even possible that three hostages died during or shortly after the Israeli raid, almost certainly either directly at the hands of Hamas (murdered in revenge by Hamas, that is) or “caught in the crossfire” when Hamas unsuccessfully used massive firepower in an effort to stop the hostage rescue, prompting massive firepower from Israel (I’m planning a post tomorrow dealing with some of the details of the rescue itself).
Or, as I said, every word out of the Hamas operative’s mouth might be a lie. The fact that CNN is interviewing this guy is both a bad thing and a good thing: bad because it gives him a platform to further spread his lies; good because it exposes (to those with eyes to see) his evil and unreasonableness.
Here are his demands of Israel, despite making no promises that hostages are even alive at this point:
Hamdan told CNN that any deal to release the hostages must include guarantees of a permanent ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Gaza Strip.
In other words, end the war and maybe, just maybe, we’ll give you back some dead bodies.
He said that the latest proposal on the table backed by the United States did not meet Hamas’ requirements as the group seeks “a clear position from Israel to accept the ceasefire, a complete withdrawal from Gaza, and let the Palestinians to determine their future by themselves, the reconstruction, the [lifting] of the siege, and we are ready to talk about a fair deal about the prisoners exchange.”
Despite Hamas’ losses, he seems to think they’re negotiating from a position of great strength; he is basically asking that Israel unconditionally surrender. What gives him and other Hamas operatives that feeling of enormous power? They see the world – including the Biden administration – as being on their side.
This just reinforces the known truth that the left denies: there are no civilians amongst the Palestinians, just soldiers who carry weapons and soldiers who aid the cause in other material ways.
Is the Security Council going to demand that Israel return the stolen hostages?
Murder, rape, rape-rape, torture-torture, and abduction in the pursuit of social justice is no ethical vice. A wicked solution, certainly, but so what.
bof:
Good one.
A Jewish Spring in the Obama/Biden/Clinton [ethnic] Spring series. A “burden” sequestered in darkness, in the sea, they try, try, and try.
Sadly, it must be assumed and expected that all the hostages are, or will soon be, dead. From a safety and security point of view Israel cannot have the recovery of the hostages be their first priority. They set out on this path to protect and defend the nation of Israel. To achieve that they must continue to track down and kill any and all Hamas fighters and leaders.
Damn bof, you should submit that to the Babylon Bee.
Steve walsh:
But for Israel, getting the hostages back IS a top priority. They moved heaven and earth to get those 4 out That is just the way it is for Israel. Every life is extremely important. The Shalit deal was terrible, and perhaps they learned something from that. But it doesn’t mean they are willing to give up on getting the hostages back.
Its very hard to do this we saw how long they waited ti raid the nusseirat stronghold and yet it almost went pearshaped
@John+Guilfoyle:there are no civilians amongst the Palestinians, just soldiers who carry weapons and soldiers who aid the cause in other material ways.
This is one of those things that, even if it were true (the babies and toddlers even aren’t civilians?), it’s still better for civilized people to do their best to draw a bright line between them. I don’t think the government of Israel plans to treats civilians as combatants, nor should they.
I think it’s wise to think through the implications before even saying that civilians are no different from combatants. Took a long time to get out of the Bronze Age and I don’t think we’re going to like accompanying Colonel Chivington along the “nits make lice” road.
They regard civilians as combatants sadly we have seen in aleppo in hama at shatila et al
When the Gazamites and Westbankonians are indoctrinated and educated from preschool until death with the goal of exterminating the Jews, well that makes the oh so sophisticated argument a bit hard to take.
Especially so after 10/7/2023.
It’s their cultural aspiration, that “river to the sea” thing.
Niketas Choniates… what om said.
And let’s deal with the reality of from where and from whom this group of hostages was rescued.
Go back and watch the Oct 7th videos that show the jubilation about and violation of the corpses of Israeli civilians. Not a skerrick of difference as long as they hold out for killing every Jew.
@John+Guilfoyle :. Not a skerrick of difference as long as they hold out for killing every Jew.
The babies and toddlers are holding out for the killing of every Jew and can’t be distinguished from combatants? Or are you in the “nits make lice” camp?
It’s perfectly legitimate to condemn Hamas for treating Israeli civilians as combatants, it’s not legitimate for us to say we or Israel should do the same with Gazans.
One way of responding to false charges of perpetrating atrocities is to refute them with evidence, and I suppose another way is make the charges come true, and I’m frankly surprised to see you advocate the second one.
“nits make lice” is an excellent metaphor for dealing with palestinians.
They all- ALL- rejoiced, danced in the streets, as did most of the anti-semitic, anti-Israel world with them, after Oct. 7’s Hamas slaughter and hostage-taking. The slaughter included burning Israeli infants to death or decapitating them, I remind you.
Biden is feeding Gazans via a US-built special Gazan dock costing about $300M. He is an anti-semite writ large. And Biden believes he can win a soul-saving negotiation with Satan aka Hamas, as does dolt Blinken.An eternity in Hell is a very long, long time, Biden/Blinken have bought that for themselves, and will keep Satan in company.
As Hamas broke the previous “permanent ceasefire,” it is the height of chutzpah for Hamas to hold Israel to a permanent ceasefire. The historical record, before and up to October 7, makes it quite evident that Hamas has no intention whatsoever of ever having a permanent ceasefire- at least until Palestine is judenrein from the river to the sea.
OTOH, Hamas and chutzpah- so what else is new?
Is there ANYONE either interviewing Hamas people or negotiating with Hamas pointing out such nonsense on the part of Hamas? It seems to me that Hamas has the impression that no one outside of Israel ever calls Hamas out on such propaganda/nonsense.
The hostages are the true martyrs. It would beg national suicide for Israel to leave Hamas in charge of Gaza. But Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc., etc. are simply proxy agents of Islam.
Until Israel removes the ‘paradise’ incentive, jihadist recruitment will continue. Islam will continue to seek a ‘final solution’ until Israel makes credible that the consequence of nuking Israel will be that Mecca, the Dome of the Rock and the City of Qom will, that very day, cease to exist.
You deter a mortal enemy by presenting them with the certainty of what for them are consequences too terrible to risk.
Niketas Choniates…Before you put words in my mouth you should ask permission.
The old saw, “When they love their children as much as we love ours they’ll make peace” doesn’t work in Islam. They want their children to be martyrs and get all the joys of “paradise.”
Don’t make war and war won’t visit your house. Don’t teach your kids to live for the genocide of Jews and the Jews will happily leave your kids to die of old age. The IDF bends over backwards to avoid slaughtering non-combatants… that’s honourable. But when it cannot be avoided that blood is on Islamic hands.
Wars end when one side says “no mas.”
}}} How do you know that a Hamas operative is lying? When his lips are moving.
When his heart is pumping. We should make them ALL stop lying!
}}} One way of responding to false charges of perpetrating atrocities is to refute them with evidence
Or, better still, having a sufficiently educated — and intellectually honest — populace to know enough about the matter that they (Hamas) are consistently and relentlessly lying about everything they say, and to make THEM prove every allegation instead of putting the burden onto the ones who consistently do not lie, consistently do the best they can to avoid collateral damage, and whose religion actually says “Thou shalt not lie”, as opposed to “It is not lawful [to lie] except in three situations: 1) During war as war is built on stratagem.”… and, since Islam is constantly at war with anyone not Muslim, they can lie anytime they want — but particularly in the case of dealing with Jews and Christians.
}}} But when it cannot be avoided that blood is on Islamic hands.
Even more so when they — Hamas — hide their weapons of war in places where it is impossible to destroy them without harming “innocents”
Jews are not required to set themselves on fire to keep Palestinians from being harmed.
As a general rule — if you don’t like the way in which someone ELSE is policing the problems YOU are creating, well, stop creating problems. Police *yourself*!!
The cease fire will take effect when the last platoon of Hamas paramilitaries surrenders (or is cured with a dose of lead). The mop up will be the execution of the Hamas politburo. Those captured in Gaza will be put in front of firing squads. Those hiding out in Qatar will be killed by drones.
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Accept no substitutes.
They’re not going to kill all the hostages. They just haven’t decided which ones to execute yet.
What they’re going to do is forcibly coerce/convert some. But they do not know how long it’ll take. Nor, how efficiently they can pull this off.
They are going to learn from this current crop. They will learn which ages and which sex is worth their effort (to convert) , and which they’re better off just killing right away. And this will guide them as they plan future October7-like raids around the world.
Eventually, at some point in the months or years ahead, the females whom they were able to “willingly convert to islam “ … these girls will be “willingly” married to a gazan, and “willingly” impregnated. As often as possible.
As well, when conditions seem right to them — another press conference will be convened, and these girls /women will be paraded out in order to praise hamas and allah publicly willingly,
and to condemn Israel and their Jewish families of origin.
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And the final tallies that the colleges and newspapers will discuss will be:
“Amazingly, every single survivor embraced islam willingly, once they were introduced to the koran—and look how happy they now are.”
And no one will talk about the “conspiracy theory” that the ones who did not survive were the ones who did not “willingly” accept islam
—and were executed.
What we are witnessing is just the beginning. Sorry.
Neo:
As long as Israel “moves heaven and earth” for the hostages PA and HAMAS have leverage. If Israel accepts that the wheel never stops turning.
Taquiya is the pretext by which salafi like hamas lie as they say is the warrant
from god
As don cheadle explains in traitor its not that expansive an excuse
This ties into the narrative re the acolyte where evil in this case the witches are painted as good and the jedi evil like the french kings vs the templars back in the 13th century
Hermes on June 15, 2024 at 6:55 am said:
“They’re not going to kill all the hostages. They just haven’t decided which ones to execute yet.“
If they can figure out which side they support politically, that would be a logical start. Left wingers would naturally be more sympathetic to their side and the most willing to betray israel.
Of course he was talking with ben wiedemann who doesnt do any follow up
Surah 4 shows what they consider the disposition of female captives as spoils
Why is there not more pressure by the ‘civilized world’ on hamas to identify the disposition of all of the hostages living and dead rhetorical
Lead story over on Jerusalem Post is of a large raid by IDF special forces on a weapons storage facility in Rafah. With Israel now in control of that border, and presumably the Israeli navy in control of the coastline, how long until Hamas runs out of weapons?
Christianity originated in Israel. It used to be prevalent in Turkey. Today the “river to the sea” crowd is focused on the Jews and Israel, that is just first things first. The “river to the sea” adherents don’t intend to stop with just the Jews or Israel.
The oh so sophisticated arguments ignore a lot of history to feel good about themselves.
https://pjmedia.com/robert-spencer/2024/06/15/coptic-bishop-sounds-a-warning-for-the-west-but-will-anyone-heed-n4929914
Mike Plaiss. Link?
IDF elite Commando, Yahalom units raid Hamas weapons storage in Rafah
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-806299
OM
We will never heed the warning of the Bishop. There have been hundreds of warnings over years and we have heeded not one.
Knowing what I know of Islam, these conquests into enemy territory ate for religious but personal gains, rape & pillage and return to your village. These were not a country taking hostages this was Hamas fighters. You should not be surprised the hostages can be anywhere, sold to others anywhere or killed and disposed of.
Skip:
An aphorism I heard from a libertarian:
Islam is a raiding party masquerading as a religion.
Those captured in Gaza will be put in front of firing squads. Those hiding out in Qatar will be killed by drones.
Yes, Qatar should not be free of consequences.
Skip:
That was true of some of the Gazan “freelancers” who took advantage of the situation. But it was also an official plan of Hamas for tactical and strategic reasons, to put the screws on Israel.
Yes, Qatar should not be free of consequences.
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I’d be pleased to leave in peace the entire population of Qataris, their guest workers, and anyone else who happens to be there who is not a Hamas official. Hamas officials deserve death.
well not so fast the Al Thanis and associated Clans, play tricks much like the Saudis used to do in their hay day, as one has tried to one up each other, one might consider Hamas Taliban, the Army of Conquest as the hired help for the former, but their natural gas reserve, have allowed them to collect and trade, You can check the German French Norwegian embassies and they act like Senor Wences,
western officials like vintage training cards,