Memorial Day and open thread 5/27/24 — 45 Comments
After a quick look here and elsewhere, I am going out to the cemetery to visit my Mom and Dad. Dad, a Navy Vet, a retired CPO. Was at Pearl Harbor and then other points in the Pacific. Mom worked at ammo plant in SF. Just 21 yrs old Farm Girl from IL, doing her bit. Left my Brother at the Farm.
We Honor the Fallen today. But we should also remember those left behind, the Mothers and Fathers, Sisters and Brothers, and Wives, Girlfriends and Sweetharts.
This link on MaggiesFarm will take you to a set of 10 before and after WW2 pics.
Wow. That is phenomenal Steve. Like seeing ghosts. Thanks for posting.
Steve:
Thanks for the link to the photos!
Memorial Day 1962 – Dad was ROTC instructor @ University of Miami, and he took us 5 kids ‘n Mom out on the U of M ROTC’s old renewed Chris Craft mahogany speed boat into Biscayne Bay.
About a year later, Mom just found out she was pregnant and Dad just got orders for Vietnam. It was an especially hard time for Mom whilst Dad was away – 6th kid on the way and husband in Vietnam.
Dad retired as Sergeant major years later – three Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB) for World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. No military awards for Mom…
I think the late Bernard Lewis would look askance on this, of course we know the ‘traison de clerc’ the faculty are involved in,
The Libertarian nomination of Chase Oliver could hardly have turned out better for Trump. He’ll get their votes without the media burden of getting their nomination.
Steve, I also applaud that link. What is so impressive over other “before and after” WWII photos I’ve seen, is that the authors set the synch so perfectly in location.
I will never forget our trip to Normandy in 2019. Paris and Lyon…eech, But the people of Normandy are wonderful and are still grateful for the Allies.
Thanks Steve. I have been to those places. It is interesting to see the differences.
Youtube has a number of these then and now videos. I love seeing them just as old videos we often see here
there was a twist I wondered about in the Great Escape, the John Sturgess adaptation about Paul Brickhills book,* a new seasonal favorite,
*i’m guessing hes supposed to be the James Coburn character, even though Brickhill was Canadian, the other escapees were Norwegian
the Group Captain makes it a point to the Luftwaffe Commandant it is the duty of officers to try to escape, or otherwise impair the operations of the enemy, apparently it was an informal rule in the RAF, and became formalized in US Army regulations,
I watched the The World at War series back when it first came out in late 1973 or early 1974. Last year I purchased the remastered Blu-ray version and liked the series even more some fifty years later…
Cowboy hats and country music symbolize the longstnding rural backbone of America. Ruggedness; stalwartness; no compromising!
The elites and their running dogs, Democrats all, are crushing that out of us.They control the print and electronic media. Where and how do you think our weenie twenty-something, anti-semitic, anti-Israel, sometimes even pro-Hamas, dominantly urban generation was spawned? The large majority of faculties,K thru college, are responsible. They are neo-communists! And communist China has bought up >600,000 rural acres, often close to Air Force bases or missile sites.
I fear the USA is in its twilight. No more Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Not under vote-stealing, authoritarian Democrats.
The line of those who fell while fighting for our freedom goes back to the Revolutionary War. We remember them to honor their sacrifices, the sacrifices of those who loved them, and to remind ourselves that freedom isn’t free.
It’s fitting to say the names of family and friends who died in battle. That way they live on in our memories – brave, smiling, and ever young.
It occurs to me that we could pay them tribute in another way as well. History teaches that weakness encourages aggressors. We’ve never been attacked because we’re too strong. Our attackers have seen us as weak and/or decadent. Maintaining a high level of military preparedness, and the will to use it, seems to me an important way to honor their sacrifices.
Peace through strength, and the will to use it. To prevent war, be prepared for it. What better way to keep the faith with our fallen heroes and heroines?
National military breakdown began with Bill Clinton’s “peace dividend”, which caused a major reduction in employees of military suppliers, makers of stuff like howitzers and aircraft. Those Democrats, culminating in Biden!
They are disgusting all right, AD. But not as disgusting as the O’Biden administration:
I wouldn’t worry about the paywall, the headline says it all. I guess it will be hard to call the French “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” when even they are more stalwart on Iran than the US.
Bad optics, but she doesn’t seem to care. It’s as though she doesn’t need to look like she cares, or about losing legitimate votes.
The dark side is very dark of late.
The World at War BBC series was a favorite as a kid, another a periodically magazine series World at War by Cavendish, I have the ones I bought as a kid and picked up more on Ebay years ago.
Both have interviews and written by people who were there.
well she wasn’t elected in the first place, so why should she care, the details of the subterfuge are too numerous to elaborate, I’m sure the local papers are focused on what type of blouse Kari Lake wears or something, not the Invasion, not the Lesuo, carried out for the Uniparty
as if he was actually sincere about these matters, meanwhile they are laser focused on taking the ball from Georgia, to prosecute Guiliani, for a fact pattern that seems very sketchy, certainly in Maricopa probably in Pinal,
Re: Decoration Day
I’d like to add to Steve’s link to the Maggie’s Farm’s post on Decoration Day…
Memorial Day started as Decoration Day, which goes back to 1868 honoring the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Later it evolved into a holiday honoring all the American military dead. It was renamed Memorial Day and observed the last Monday in May.
❤
Democrat 2024 game plan options 1, 2, and 3:
1. Election fraud to the nth degree.
2. Harass and sabotage the incoming Trump admin every way they can.
3. WWIII (the hole card).
They are alarmed all right (the Vladdies). They expect Urkrainians not to target their military assets on Mother Russia. Ukrainians keep attacking the Russian military’s “nice things.”
Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments in the 1990s in a treaty with the West and The Russian Federation IIRC so Ukraine can’t threaten Russia with nukes. Ukraine targeting Russian military’s “nice things” means Vlad will have more to defend. In war and in special military operations the enemy (victim) has a “vote.”
Moreover, if the Dems get to option 3, the choice will be between 4 more years of a lifetime Trump Unleashed dictatorship vs a brief blinding flash.
Gosh, I wonder which of those they’ll go with?
Banned Lizard:
By the short hairs again?
Do you have any hair left to light on fire?
Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments in the 1990s in a treaty with the West -om
It wasn’t a treaty and here’s our commitment as to aggression:
4.”…and the United States reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear state part to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.“
@Brian E:Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments
Ukraine never had nuclear weapons to give up. They had Russian nuclear weapons on their soil, controlled from Moscow. They could neither use those weapons nor prevent them from being used. Trying to take control over them could not have happened without the Russians knowing.
Analogously, the United States keeps nuclear weapons on Turkish territory, but they are not “Turkey’s” nuclear weapons. The US keeps nuclear weapons in Europe too, but those weapons are not under the control of those governments.
Niketas C. I didn’t say that. I was quoting om and responding to his assertion the Budapest Memorandum was a treaty.
@Brian E:Niketas C. I didn’t say that. I was quoting om…
Sure, I got that. Just pointing out the false premise. If Turkey negotiated with the US to take its nukes home, Turkey would not be “giving up nuclear weapons”, and neither did Ukraine.
I only know of one nation that actually gave up its own nuclear weapons, that would be South Africa, which it did between 1989 and 1993.
Turtler may have to come back for more remedial education regarding Ukraine and the nukes. It sure seemed that those nuclear weapons were developed and fielded by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR. That entity was not The Russian Federation if you two want to quibble about fine details.
It was a memorandum an agreement between soveriegn states, not a treaty. And a Special Military Operation is not an act of war, Brain E?
@om:It sure seemed that those nuclear weapons were developed and fielded by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR.
They were, and were never under the control of Ukraine when the USSR broke up in 1991. Instead, they were under control of Moscow, which was at that time the capital of Russia, since the USSR had ceased to exist.
All of the nations that left the Soviet Union had to come to some kind of arrangement about the Soviet nuclear weapons, since none of them could launch them or prevent their launch from Moscow and they faced potentially being targeted in a nuclear war they wanted no part of. Ukraine repatriated the weapons to Russia in 1994, and Belarus and Kazakhstan followed suit.
I’ve read multiple people write that the Budapest Memorandum created a moral obligation for the US to defend Ukraine.
But if you read the Memorandum, the only obligation the US has is to defend Ukraine if an aggressor nation uses or threatens to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine.
It contains no obligation to defend Ukraine short of a nuclear attack or threat of a nuclear attack.
Good thing that The Russian Federation hasn’t threatened Ukraine with nuclear weapons since 2/24/22. Lets check the fine print, shall we? International law and all that. (sarc)
I couldn’t find the link where the Russian Federation threatened Ukraine with nuclear weapons. I assume you mean Vlad.
I’d be interested in a link.
Like Katie Hobbs (see above) but worse, prosecutor Jack Smith doesn’t mind bad optics. Julie Kelly predicts a rough month of June for Smith. I don’t think he cares. He knows that the MSM will negate the optics with spin that portrays Judge Cannon and Team Orange as villains.
So Brain E hadn’t been paying attention to nuclear threats made by Russia against Ukraine and the West. Sigh. Maybe there is a memorandum ….. A Special Military Memorandum?
om, then you’ll have no problem providing a link.
Thus the idiot has to do the work for the apologist. And what would suffice as an acceptable threat, links from The Telegraph, Fox News, or RT?
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In the 00s some of the stavka like general makarov threatened nuclear weapons if we didnt remove the missile defenses from poland obama blinked on that score
Thus the idiot has to do the work for the apologist. And what would suffice as an acceptable threat, links from The Telegraph, Fox News, or RT? -om
You choose.
as phillip short reminds us, putin made very clear his intentions for many years now, yet policy maker live in a world of misbelief, where they are rarely held to account, also as ben rhodes noted to david samuels, the typical journalists don’t know much, so they don’t hold them accountable either,
Brain E (not an idiot):
Here you go for a start, but don’t foul yourself since it has the acronym NATO:
A Duck Duck Go search yeilds instances of Russian nuclear threats from Vlad from before his Special Military Operation began, because his SMO was protecting the Motherland, Roosia.
So resume your Narrative Shaping: “Russia has never threatened anyone with nuclear weaspons!”
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After a quick look here and elsewhere, I am going out to the cemetery to visit my Mom and Dad. Dad, a Navy Vet, a retired CPO. Was at Pearl Harbor and then other points in the Pacific. Mom worked at ammo plant in SF. Just 21 yrs old Farm Girl from IL, doing her bit. Left my Brother at the Farm.
We Honor the Fallen today. But we should also remember those left behind, the Mothers and Fathers, Sisters and Brothers, and Wives, Girlfriends and Sweetharts.
This link on MaggiesFarm will take you to a set of 10 before and after WW2 pics.
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/archives/28176-Decoration-Day.html
https://pjmedia.com/kevindowneyjr/2024/05/25/the-odd-us-special-ops-shooting-near-ft-bragg-from-three-weeks-ago-we-are-just-hearing-about-n4929344
Wow. That is phenomenal Steve. Like seeing ghosts. Thanks for posting.
Steve:
Thanks for the link to the photos!
Memorial Day 1962 – Dad was ROTC instructor @ University of Miami, and he took us 5 kids ‘n Mom out on the U of M ROTC’s old renewed Chris Craft mahogany speed boat into Biscayne Bay.
About a year later, Mom just found out she was pregnant and Dad just got orders for Vietnam. It was an especially hard time for Mom whilst Dad was away – 6th kid on the way and husband in Vietnam.
Dad retired as Sergeant major years later – three Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB) for World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. No military awards for Mom…
https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2024/05/27/pro-palestine-protesters-crash-new-jersey-memorial-day-parade/
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Don’t know if these are actual Princeton students or if they’re sorosphere goons hanging out on the Princeton campus. Don’t know if they’re foreign residents or not. Not sure it matters. They’re disgusting.
I think the late Bernard Lewis would look askance on this, of course we know the ‘traison de clerc’ the faculty are involved in,
The Libertarian nomination of Chase Oliver could hardly have turned out better for Trump. He’ll get their votes without the media burden of getting their nomination.
Steve, I also applaud that link. What is so impressive over other “before and after” WWII photos I’ve seen, is that the authors set the synch so perfectly in location.
I will never forget our trip to Normandy in 2019. Paris and Lyon…eech, But the people of Normandy are wonderful and are still grateful for the Allies.
Thanks Steve. I have been to those places. It is interesting to see the differences.
Youtube has a number of these then and now videos. I love seeing them just as old videos we often see here
there was a twist I wondered about in the Great Escape, the John Sturgess adaptation about Paul Brickhills book,* a new seasonal favorite,
*i’m guessing hes supposed to be the James Coburn character, even though Brickhill was Canadian, the other escapees were Norwegian
the Group Captain makes it a point to the Luftwaffe Commandant it is the duty of officers to try to escape, or otherwise impair the operations of the enemy, apparently it was an informal rule in the RAF, and became formalized in US Army regulations,
I watched the The World at War series back when it first came out in late 1973 or early 1974. Last year I purchased the remastered Blu-ray version and liked the series even more some fifty years later…
three different war, I thank him for his service
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13448897/Hunter-Biden-meeting-Joe-Chinese-business-partners-texts-Sandy-Hookk.html
Cowboy hats and country music symbolize the longstnding rural backbone of America. Ruggedness; stalwartness; no compromising!
The elites and their running dogs, Democrats all, are crushing that out of us.They control the print and electronic media. Where and how do you think our weenie twenty-something, anti-semitic, anti-Israel, sometimes even pro-Hamas, dominantly urban generation was spawned? The large majority of faculties,K thru college, are responsible. They are neo-communists! And communist China has bought up >600,000 rural acres, often close to Air Force bases or missile sites.
I fear the USA is in its twilight. No more Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Not under vote-stealing, authoritarian Democrats.
The line of those who fell while fighting for our freedom goes back to the Revolutionary War. We remember them to honor their sacrifices, the sacrifices of those who loved them, and to remind ourselves that freedom isn’t free.
It’s fitting to say the names of family and friends who died in battle. That way they live on in our memories – brave, smiling, and ever young.
It occurs to me that we could pay them tribute in another way as well. History teaches that weakness encourages aggressors. We’ve never been attacked because we’re too strong. Our attackers have seen us as weak and/or decadent. Maintaining a high level of military preparedness, and the will to use it, seems to me an important way to honor their sacrifices.
Peace through strength, and the will to use it. To prevent war, be prepared for it. What better way to keep the faith with our fallen heroes and heroines?
Read and weep:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/america-hits-the-global-snooze-button-but-cannot-afford-to-rest-national-security-9980a911?mod=hp_opin_pos_6#cxrecs_s
National military breakdown began with Bill Clinton’s “peace dividend”, which caused a major reduction in employees of military suppliers, makers of stuff like howitzers and aircraft. Those Democrats, culminating in Biden!
They are disgusting all right, AD. But not as disgusting as the O’Biden administration:
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/u-s-opposes-european-plan-to-censure-iran-over-nuclear-work-85ad7fc6?mod=hp_lead_pos2
I wouldn’t worry about the paywall, the headline says it all. I guess it will be hard to call the French “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” when even they are more stalwart on Iran than the US.
Meanwhile,
Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs has remained mum about her recent veto of legislation aimed at curbing China’s gruesome forced organ-harvesting trade, which targets detained ethnic and religious minorities, mostly Uyghur Muslims, Tibetans, Christians, and Falun Gong practitioners.
Bad optics, but she doesn’t seem to care. It’s as though she doesn’t need to look like she cares, or about losing legitimate votes.
The dark side is very dark of late.
The World at War BBC series was a favorite as a kid, another a periodically magazine series World at War by Cavendish, I have the ones I bought as a kid and picked up more on Ebay years ago.
Both have interviews and written by people who were there.
well she wasn’t elected in the first place, so why should she care, the details of the subterfuge are too numerous to elaborate, I’m sure the local papers are focused on what type of blouse Kari Lake wears or something, not the Invasion, not the Lesuo, carried out for the Uniparty
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/05/24/rep-ruben-gallego-changes-sides-on-immigrant-voting-rights-in-dc/73825505007/
as if he was actually sincere about these matters, meanwhile they are laser focused on taking the ball from Georgia, to prosecute Guiliani, for a fact pattern that seems very sketchy, certainly in Maricopa probably in Pinal,
Re: Decoration Day
I’d like to add to Steve’s link to the Maggie’s Farm’s post on Decoration Day…
Memorial Day started as Decoration Day, which goes back to 1868 honoring the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. Later it evolved into a holiday honoring all the American military dead. It was renamed Memorial Day and observed the last Monday in May.
❤
Democrat 2024 game plan options 1, 2, and 3:
1. Election fraud to the nth degree.
2. Harass and sabotage the incoming Trump admin every way they can.
3. WWIII (the hole card).
Speaking of which,
Ukrainian strike on Russian nuclear radar system causes alarm
They are alarmed all right (the Vladdies). They expect Urkrainians not to target their military assets on Mother Russia. Ukrainians keep attacking the Russian military’s “nice things.”
Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments in the 1990s in a treaty with the West and The Russian Federation IIRC so Ukraine can’t threaten Russia with nukes. Ukraine targeting Russian military’s “nice things” means Vlad will have more to defend. In war and in special military operations the enemy (victim) has a “vote.”
Moreover, if the Dems get to option 3, the choice will be between
4 more years ofa lifetime Trump Unleashed dictatorship vs a brief blinding flash.Gosh, I wonder which of those they’ll go with?
Banned Lizard:
By the short hairs again?
Do you have any hair left to light on fire?
Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments in the 1990s in a treaty with the West -om
It wasn’t a treaty and here’s our commitment as to aggression:
https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf
@Brian E:Ukraine gave up all their nuclear armaments
Ukraine never had nuclear weapons to give up. They had Russian nuclear weapons on their soil, controlled from Moscow. They could neither use those weapons nor prevent them from being used. Trying to take control over them could not have happened without the Russians knowing.
Analogously, the United States keeps nuclear weapons on Turkish territory, but they are not “Turkey’s” nuclear weapons. The US keeps nuclear weapons in Europe too, but those weapons are not under the control of those governments.
Niketas C. I didn’t say that. I was quoting om and responding to his assertion the Budapest Memorandum was a treaty.
@Brian E:Niketas C. I didn’t say that. I was quoting om…
Sure, I got that. Just pointing out the false premise. If Turkey negotiated with the US to take its nukes home, Turkey would not be “giving up nuclear weapons”, and neither did Ukraine.
I only know of one nation that actually gave up its own nuclear weapons, that would be South Africa, which it did between 1989 and 1993.
Turtler may have to come back for more remedial education regarding Ukraine and the nukes. It sure seemed that those nuclear weapons were developed and fielded by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR. That entity was not The Russian Federation if you two want to quibble about fine details.
It was a memorandum an agreement between soveriegn states, not a treaty. And a Special Military Operation is not an act of war, Brain E?
@om:It sure seemed that those nuclear weapons were developed and fielded by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR.
They were, and were never under the control of Ukraine when the USSR broke up in 1991. Instead, they were under control of Moscow, which was at that time the capital of Russia, since the USSR had ceased to exist.
All of the nations that left the Soviet Union had to come to some kind of arrangement about the Soviet nuclear weapons, since none of them could launch them or prevent their launch from Moscow and they faced potentially being targeted in a nuclear war they wanted no part of. Ukraine repatriated the weapons to Russia in 1994, and Belarus and Kazakhstan followed suit.
I’ve read multiple people write that the Budapest Memorandum created a moral obligation for the US to defend Ukraine.
But if you read the Memorandum, the only obligation the US has is to defend Ukraine if an aggressor nation uses or threatens to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine.
It contains no obligation to defend Ukraine short of a nuclear attack or threat of a nuclear attack.
Good thing that The Russian Federation hasn’t threatened Ukraine with nuclear weapons since 2/24/22. Lets check the fine print, shall we? International law and all that. (sarc)
I couldn’t find the link where the Russian Federation threatened Ukraine with nuclear weapons. I assume you mean Vlad.
I’d be interested in a link.
Like Katie Hobbs (see above) but worse, prosecutor Jack Smith doesn’t mind bad optics. Julie Kelly predicts a rough month of June for Smith. I don’t think he cares. He knows that the MSM will negate the optics with spin that portrays Judge Cannon and Team Orange as villains.
So Brain E hadn’t been paying attention to nuclear threats made by Russia against Ukraine and the West. Sigh. Maybe there is a memorandum ….. A Special Military Memorandum?
om, then you’ll have no problem providing a link.
Thus the idiot has to do the work for the apologist. And what would suffice as an acceptable threat, links from The Telegraph, Fox News, or RT?
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In the 00s some of the stavka like general makarov threatened nuclear weapons if we didnt remove the missile defenses from poland obama blinked on that score
Thus the idiot has to do the work for the apologist. And what would suffice as an acceptable threat, links from The Telegraph, Fox News, or RT? -om
You choose.
as phillip short reminds us, putin made very clear his intentions for many years now, yet policy maker live in a world of misbelief, where they are rarely held to account, also as ben rhodes noted to david samuels, the typical journalists don’t know much, so they don’t hold them accountable either,
Brain E (not an idiot):
Here you go for a start, but don’t foul yourself since it has the acronym NATO:
https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2022/11/29/russias-nuclear-coercion-in-ukraine/index.html
A Duck Duck Go search yeilds instances of Russian nuclear threats from Vlad from before his Special Military Operation began, because his SMO was protecting the Motherland, Roosia.
So resume your Narrative Shaping: “Russia has never threatened anyone with nuclear weaspons!”