Comparison of the Jewish and Muslim state populations in the US
I’ve read a number of comments from people wondering about comparisons of Jewish and Muslim populations in different states in the US, so I’m tackling the question here.
In Europe the proportions are way in favor of Muslims, due to a combination of the Holocaust and of the encouragement of Muslim immigration. That is one of the main reasons Europe is in such a quandary, with many countries there deeply afraid of their own Muslim populations, which are substantial.
Just to take an example (doing some quick math here): in Sweden there are about 15,000 Jews out of a total population of about ten and a half million people. That’s a Jewish population of about .15%; in other words, minuscule. But Sweden has many more Muslims, probably about 8% of the total population. France is 5% Muslim and about .65% Jewish. These figures may not be exactly correct, but there’s no question that all over Western Europe the number of Muslims in the population dwarfs the number of Jews, a situation that has had tremendous political repercussions.
In fact, almost all the Jews in the world are concentrated in two countries: Israel and the US, which have roughly the same number as each other. And most US Jews cluster in certain cities in blue states, although for the most part those states would be blue even without the Jewish vote. One of those states is also red (at least at the moment): Florida.
But to get to the point of this post, here is a ranking of the Muslim population of the US, state by state. And here is the same for the Jewish population of the US, state by state.
Michigan, for example, has three times more Muslims than Jews. That tells you something.
Most US Jews are concentrated in California (1,234,540 and 3.1% of the state’s population) , New York (1,785,727 and 8.8% of the state’s population), New Jersey (626,220 and 6.7% of the state’s population), Maryland (240,100 and 3.9%), Masschusetts (301,880 and 4.3%), Pennsylvania (434,165 and 3.3%), Illinois (325,160 and 2.5%), Florida (672,465 and 3.1%), and Connecticut (118,350 and 3.3%). Nearly all those states are so very blue that – at least, by my quick calculation – even if every single Jew in them voted for Republicans the states would remain blue. As I already said, Florida is red. That leaves Pennsylvania as the only state where the Jewish vote would make a difference, and (interestingly enough) Pennsylvania has an extremely pro-Israel Democrat as senator, Fetterman, as well as a fairly pro-Israel Jewish Democrat, Josh Shapiro, as governor.
As far as the Muslim populations go: New York (724,475 and 3.6%), California (504,056 and 1.3%), Illinois (473,792 and 3.7%), New Jersey (321,652 and 3.5%), Michigan (241,828 and 2.4%), Maryland (188,914 and 3.1%), Pennsylvania 1.2%, and Massachusetts 1.9%. We therefore can see that Illinois and Michigan have more Muslims than Jews, especially Michigan, and their Muslim populations are fairly sizeable. There are other states with more Muslims than Jews, but they have a lot fewer of either and as voting blocks neither is especially important although in swing states they could make a difference. For example, North Carolina has 1.3% Muslims to .5% Jews. Georgia has almost the same number of both: 1.3% Jews and 1.2% Muslims. Louisiana has .3% Jews and .5% Muslims. Maine has .9% Jews and 1.2% Muslims, and Iowa has .2% Jews and .7% Muslims. A lot of states are like that.
So that’s the answer, as best I can tell.
Neo: “Just to take an example (doing some quick math here): in Sweden there are about 15,000 Jews out of a total population of about ten and a half million people. That’s a Jewish population of about .015%”
It’s actually 0.15% (well, really 0.14%) — still bitty, but 10 times less bitty!
Granted, numerically Jews are David vs Goliath, but like David they swing a mean sling, i.e. they have more per capita influence, financial and otherwise, than any other ethnic group in America I can think of.
If, as Jonah Goldberg claims in the wake of 10/7 and Biden’s recent attempt to renege on arms for Israel, anti-Trump Jews are coming over to the Dark Side, I say, Welcome aboard!
Paul Nachman:
Yes, will fix shortly. I think I did that several times. I knew I was going too quickly – haste makes waste! But as you said, the numbers are still tiny.
huxley:
There are some mega donors who are Jewish – usually only ethnically Jewish although not always just that. The most leftist ones are absolutely not religious.
However, most Jews do not have disproportionate influence. They don’t donate or are small donors.
And I once wrote a post – don’t have time to look for it now – indicating that there is signicantly more Jewish donating to Republicans than most people think there is.
It seems to me at the moment that, per capita, Muslims are more powerful in the US than Jews. They certainly are more powerful on campus, and the campus has been driving the culture for quite some time.
I agree, however, that every Jewish voter leaving the Democrats is a good thing.
neo:
It goes without saying that most Jews do not have disproportionate influence. Neither do most whites, Christians, etc. That’s not my claim.
From what I read online, Jews are 0.23% of the US population. That’s one out of four hundred Americans. But geez louise, consider the number of rich or famous or powerful or intellectual or scientific or artistic Jews.
Jews punch way above their weight. I admire that.
“In Europe the proportions are way in favor of Muslims, due to a combination of the Holocaust and of the encouragement of Muslim immigration.”
In the long run, the definitive factor will be the difference in fertility rate. Even if Europe were to stop immigration tomorrow, ultimately it wouldn’t matter because deportation is a political nonstarter.
“Based on an analysis of current trends in the 25 European countries for which data are available, Muslim women today will have an average of 2.2 children each, compared with an estimated average of 1.5 children each for non-Muslim women in Europe.” Pew Research Center
“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.” Algerian President Houari Boumediene, 1974 speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations
huxley:
That is certainly the case. It is part – but only part – of the reason for animosity against Jews. It certainly was the case in Germany prewar, where a Jewish population of less than 1% “punched above its weight” in certain professions, such as medicine.
The point I was trying to make was about the Jewish voter, and the reason I was making it is that on so many blogs on the right I see comment after comment (not yours, but others) full of rage against Jews for voting Democrat, as though the small numbers of Jewish voters are responsible for the blue states and for Democrat victories.
My sister, who still lives in Chicago in spite of my pleas, has seen a lot of Muslim demonstrations recently. Other than blacks, I had no idea there were that many in Chicago.
Neo and huxley,
I agree with both. Jews numerically have very little vote influence. But they also contribute a lot culturally and financially. If they decide to shift allegiances to the right, that will translate into financial, education, and entertainment, where they definitely have influence.
I would have thought the Muslim population in Michigan would be higher. They are certainly punching above their weight.
“Jews punch way above their weight. I admire that.”
Jews have consistently held about 10% of the seats in both the US Senate and House (compared to roughly 2% of the population). Mostly Democrats, of course. The most powerful member of the Senate, the Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer, is Jewish.
That is certainly the case. It is part – but only part – of the reason for animosity against Jews. It certainly was the case in Germany prewar, where a Jewish population of less than 1% “punched above its weight” in certain professions, such as medicine.
neo:
Yes, I know I was making a classic anti-Semitic argument, albeit from the opposite side. But damn it’s true. As I once commented, “Who wants to compete with the Jews?”
One of the big wake-up calls in my life was working at a Silicon Valley startup founded and run by Israelis. My previous boss said I would be eaten alive.
I managed to succeed, but it was a close-run thing. Each morning I felt like I was suiting up for battle. I owe my comfortable retirement to my stock options there.
Who wants to compete with the Jews?
Who wants to compete with the Americans?
There’s a reason we are both backed into the same corner.
Anyone with a modicum of common sense knows or should know that even if every Jew in America voted Republican it would matter not a whit in terms of influencing the election’s outcome. The reason why pro-Zionist goyim like me bitch about Jews voting in overwhelming numbers for Democrats is that such behavior defies common sense. In voting for Democrats they are voting against their own best interests — now more than ever. It’s frustrating. I can’t count the number of discussions on this issue I’ve had with Jewish friends and acquaintances in which I very carefully, clearly and. I believe, correctly lay out the reasons why Jews should not vote Democratic. The usual response is a sort of glazing over of the eyes and, it seems to me, the intellect. I admit it pisses me off. Which is why I no longer have such discussions.
Such obduracy brings to mind the probably apocryphal utterance, said to have been spoken by the King of Saxony on the occasion of his forced abdication via proletarian revolution in November 1918 (consequent to Germany’s defeat in the First World War) and his subsequent hasty flight into foreign exile.
To wit: “Sie haben diene eigenen Scheiss gemacht, jetz lassen sie darin besetz.”
A rough translation: “They’ve made their own shit, now let them sit in it.”
I would never say this in the context of the aforesaid discussion. But I have to admit it does come to mind.
Bruce Hayden:
You are incorrect.
Not only have Jews NOT “consistently” held about 10% of Congressional seats, they almost never have. You are correct that Jews are about 2% of the population, but here are some figures for recent Congresses (written in January of 2023):
And if you look at this history of Jewish House members, it’s quite sparse until the 1970 and 1980s.
This article from 2017 mentions that at the time the percentage of Jews in Congress was 5.6%. Also this, about Congressional newcomers in previous years:
The only reference I’ve ever seen to a level as high as 10% refers to the Congress in 1993.
Summary: an abundance of Jews in Congress is in recent decades, it doesn’t appear to be going up, and it’s almost never reached a level of 10%.
The Muslim population in Europe is not a majority……yet. However, there are cities in Europe where the majority is becoming Muslim. If not, the speaker in the below video is wrong. She is ringing the alarm bell about unrestricted immigration and its effects on Europe. Twelve minutes:
https://youtu.be/9beGJPmEpp0?si=0Cf-rxPbJPyba8_f
Racist and Islamophobic? Perhaps. However, controlled immigration and assimilation are, IMO, necessary to hold a nation together. It’s not happening in Europe, and Biden has instituted uncontrolled immigration here.
“…uncontrolled immigration…”
And also in Canada.
It’s the WEF/WTF playbook.
File under: Pick a crisis, any crisis…
Last weekend my 30 yo daughter was told to leave a central London park, where she was doing yoga, by a Muslim man who said she had to leave because the park is owned by Islam.
Unfortunately the numbers stated in the WorldPopReview are utter and complete nonsense. I know from personal experience that the actual number of Muslims in the Soviet Socialist State of MN is, at a minimum, about 4 or 5 times that of the “reported” numbers. Instead of around 100,000 it’s more like a half-a-million. This is because each person legally in the state is accompanied by 3 or 4 others who have “visited” and then simply remained illegally. The collectivist/statist/authoritarians running the state government, now in collusion with the federal government, do not just turn a blind eye to this massive influx, they actively aid it.
They’re also issuing drivers licenses to the illegals, and at the same time illicitly signing them up to be registered as voters (the notorious “motor-voter” law designed to thwart the votes of legal voters). The massive amounts of various types of “assistance” (housing, food, medical, et cetera ad nauseum) is yet another reason for them to come to that state.
They’ve shoved tens of thousands of “immigrants” into sharia-town Balkanized areas of small cities in the state, attempting to localize and segregate them from being absorbed into the population, and have strong political activists organizing their voting in those localities.
Southeast Minneapolis has its own “Little Mogadishu” in which the police simply no longer do any patrolling, and is completely controlled by sharia law under Somali warlords (in all but name). This is one of the reasons that an anti-American Muslim like Ilhan Omar can win a US House election.
Oh, so THAT’s how they give ‘em the vote…
Pretty clever for a dementia-addled puppet!
How many of the Muslim citizens are immigrants from the Middle East and Iran, and how many are followers of Louis Farrakhan (Nation of Islam) ie converts whose families have been in America for generations?
}}} One of those states is also red (at least at the moment): Florida.
The primary counties in which they reside, however, are strongly in the “BLUE” category.
https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/img.php?type=map&year=2020&fips=12&st=FL&off=0&elect=0
Note that Dave continues to use the original, pre-2000 election colors with Red[Socialist] == Dems, and Blue=GOP… so in the above map, the counties appear red when they voted Dem
The three counties in the bottom right — Palm Beach, Broward, and Dade are the places where the “snowbirds” from NYC have traditionally flocked to upon retirement. They also represent the largest population zone in Florida, with about 3m of FL’s 11m voters. Note that they are strongly Dem even with the substantial influence from right-leaning Cubans.
neo
My humble opinion about the anger at Jews voting dem:
We can comprehend, if not sympatize with AWFL. Their lives are characterized by mush, rounded edges and soft landings. Their decisions are rarely going to make OBVIOUS errors, just….unfavorable endings. Which can be self-ameliorated (is that a word?) by saying, “I was just trying to….” something warm, fuzzy and for which one cannot be blamed. And they are snobbishly dismissive of others.
There are the Walmart conservatives, a grossly over-generalized group who thinks socially conservative but has to or think they have to vote for a living. For benefits. For “programs”. Whether they come to fruition or not. For “fairness”. Tough to be them, but it’s understandable as long as we figure they don’t know or can’t afford to know they’re voting against their own interests ultimately.
The people who seek self identity as the righteous and just and whose ideas–and votes–are “courageous” to the extent they are counterintuitive, at least to rational people, and opposed by the proles.
Various racial minorities have been skillfully misled for generations.
Jews have no such obvious excuses. They don’t live in a cocoon making rational assessment of factors a mere inconvenience. They don’t have to vote for a living.
As Jews, they don’t have to invent a self-image.
While we can comprehend the foregoing without sympathizing with it, and in addition see those honestly trying to destroy our society, we can see no reason for Jews to vote as they are said to vote. That’s frustrating. We may ridicule AWFL, but we have something to ridicule.
I am not particularly enraged. I do have a hard timed with people who are so ignorant that it must be purposeful. Those chap my butt.
Jews voting against their interests puzzles me.
AWFL – Affluent White Female Liberals
Who is this “we” you are speaking of?
OBloody:
Florida’s Jews are now the most conservative of any state. It is difficult to do accurate surveys for a host of reasons, but the best ones I’ve read indicate that in 2020 the Jews of Florida voted in the low 40s for Trump. What’s more, the Jews of Florida are trending more conservative whereas many years ago they were reliably Democrat-voting.
For example:
Richard Aubrey:
I have no idea what you mean by this:
Jews are young and old, rich and poor, stable and troubled, etc. etc.. The young ones especially have lived – until quite recently – as much in a cocoon as anyone else in the US. For most of them, until October 7th and its aftermath, Israel was a far-off place they’d never visited and didn’t necessarily follow or feel had all that much to do with them. They had only experienced petty anti-Semitism now and then, nothing like what’s going on now. They had grown up in a bubble in which Jews were treated better than in most places and times in history. Now they are becoming more aware in a kind of shock, but it’s new to them and things are in flux.
You also write: “As Jews, they don’t have to invent a self-image.” I have no idea what you mean there, either. Do you think most Jews in America go around thinking that Jewishness IS their self-image? Jews identify like other people: as their professions, as parents, as Americans, as rich, as poor, as Republicans, as Democrats, as heterosexual, as homosexual, as married, as single, as college students, as workers, etc. etc. etc.
I do weary of conservatives complaining how others don’t see the light properly as conservatives do.
It’s not that simple. It’s hard to go against one’s upbringing and connections.
Seems to me most conservatives have never had to make that choice at an identity level. Of course, that’s part of what being a conservative is about.
I find it quite interesting that left Jews in American and Israel have been moved to make a new choice since October 7.
Change is hard. I say this is a big stuff.
Best of luck.
…Which is just another reason for “Biden” to huff and puff and blow poison dart to try to make Trump as verboten as “he” possibly can.
File under: Pump up the volume…
– – – – – – – – – – –
(And this probably should be under that “Here we go again” thread…but the heck with it…)
RFK Jr., revisited; with some strong, forceful, honest, unfettered Fetterman-like pronouncements.
‘RFK Jr. Unleashed: Biden’s Israel “Bait And Switch”, COVID Censorship, And Backing Treasuries With Gold And Bitcoin’—
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rfk-jr-unleashed-bidens-israel-bait-and-switch-covid-censorship-and-backing-treasuries-gold
IOW, he’s much, much more than just a nutty scion….
And if it’s humor you’re after—no, not the Seinfeld walkout—but Ambassador Jumping (in figure eights) Jack Lew with some wicked standup!
“…Biden admin has no ‘real disagreements’ with Israel”—
https://www.jns.org/lew-biden-admin-has-no-real-disagreements-with-israel/
…Nor would one wish to forget the laughably precious prevaricators at the UN….
“UN blames ‘fog of war’ for major overcounting of Gazan child deaths”—
https://www.jns.org/un-blames-fog-of-war-for-major-overcounting-of-gazan-child-fatalities/
That’s right! Keep those BLOOD LIBELS coming!! (Especially those really cool GLOBAL ones…)
Hold on…
YES! It looks like another Peace Dividend(TM) has kicked in:
“Egypt To Join South Africa Genocide Case At ICJ”—
https://blazingcatfur.ca/2024/05/13/egypt-to-join-south-africa-genocide-case-at-icj/
(To be compared and contrasted with that UN-style Humor link above….)
…Though to be fair to Egypt, they’re probably just not being bribed enough.
(Actually, maybe they ARE!!)
Egypt?paging Ramses to the white courtesy phone
Neo
I see I should have been clearer.
Yes, we mostly live in cocoons. But AWFL live in cocoons within the larger cocoon.
Some of it is self-created. For example; Two discussing something needing to be done. Most obvious course of action turns out to have a possibility of a negative outcome. Second course of action discussed….. Has some inconveniences. After some discussion, first course of action is decided upon. They did not decide to accept the possibility of a negative consequence. Indeed, the first course of action no longer had the possibility of a negative outcome. Handy. Glad I kept my mouth shut and just listened. Turned out okay, but that’s not the point.
AWFL is looking after a friend’s dog while friend is out of town. “Don’t let him run loose.” Pooch is let run loose, goes into the street and is hit and killed. AWFL did nothing wrong. “I only wanted to let him enjoy himself.” Hence my invention of “self-amelioriate”.
In neither case is there a lesson not to think like that. One may vote against mean tweets and nothing bad could possibly happen because, within the cocoon’s cocoon, such things rarely arise and then can be blown off with self-amelioriation anyway.. And those who live where decisions have actual consequences may as well be Brave New World’s gammas. Lower orders indeed.
But Jews, with their history, and what it takes to make it in this world, have at least one foot in the real world, but usually both.
My work life frequently put me into northwest Detroit and parts of Oakland County adjacent thereto. More Jews there than in other parts of Michigan. It was pretty much guaranteed that, upon meeting someone, I’d hear some Jewish slang, in-group humorous remark….. Never wondered, figured that was normal. Since then, wondered if I were being tested for my reaction. I suspect my not noticing led to a notable lack of reaction which could be laid to ignorance or something.
My ancestral identity is, far as we know, 98% Celt and 2% Huron. For what it matters, which is not at all. My ancestral identity is in the fairly consistent category of life choices made over centuries, far as I can tell. And I don’t mention either except when the subject arises and it’s not me bringing it up.
Point is, to suggest Jews don’t have an identity as Jews seems to be hard to accept, considering how few other people bother with theirs at all.
The deliberately ignorant: It appears fourteen million copies of The Grapes of Wrath have been printed. When I worked in the campus bookstore, lots of them went through the used-book counter, so more than one reader. And there was the movie. But to suggest there was a drought worse than anything since, see the Depression Dust Bowl, brings puzzled gazes from the climate freaks. Can’t make the connection.
Gaza: Setting up to fight from among civilians is a war crime. Blank looks.
Justine Damond; Who?
But Jews I’ve met don’t seem like that.
So, other than that Republicans are icky, I don’t get it.