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Pro-Hamas riots in Manhattan

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The police don’t seem to be able or perhaps willing to control these violent and organized mobs. Very chilling.

As Douglas Murray has said in many recent interviews, if the authorities won’t control this, regular people may take it on themselves to do so, and that will be even more dangerous.

How did we get here? Gradually, then suddenly.

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Pro-Hamas riots in Manhattan — 56 Comments

  1. Richard Fernandez (Wretchard) puts it well:

    “Most people have been brought up to be civil to a fault, to avoid making a public spectacle at all costs and in extremis to walk away rather than be openly disagreeable. This is a civic virtue in a high trust society.

    But in a tribal society the rules are different.”

  2. “…a high trust society…”

    …which was firmly in the crosshairs of Obama’s goal to “transform America” and replace it with a tribal society, IOW destroy it; which Trump—and those who voted for him—tried mightily to prevent but what we are currently witnessing in this, Obama’s third term.

  4. The irony is that if two “Proud Boys” get together, one of them will probably be an FBI mole. Yet, somehow these massive riots are organized and come as a surprise.

    I think we can project the demise of western civilization as we knew it. Not everyone will agree, but I think it all began post-George Floyd, when it became apparent that there were no limits, and no consequences. Others were watching and learning. They are still watching and learning. This will not end well.

    Not only here, of course. In London, the Metropolitan Police Service (formerly the Met Police Force; the change is significant) says, (paraphrasing) “well there are a hundred thousand of them, and only a thousand of us. We couldn’t control them–even if we wanted to.” And in France, there have been police ‘no-go zones’ for quite some time.

    When public facilities such as Grand Central Station, or Trafalgar Square, in nation’s major cities are shut down, you might wonder what the function of the National Guard, or equivalent, might be, if not to quell domestic insurrections–to employ an overused term.

    Well, there is an applicable answer. I just read that Nikki Haley’s husband is in Djibouti, Africa on a year long humanitarian ‘good works’ deployment with the South Carolina National Guard. So, I guess that explains where priorities in this country lay.

  6. Seeing the police vehicle outside of the NY Times building with windows smashed and graffiti sprayed on the doors gave me a sick feeling. If the protesters can do that with impunity how can any of us feel safe? I guess folks aren’t worried about being hunted by the violent and racist cops. I also wondered about the KKK graffiti on the cop car and then realized that the extreme left has long claimed that the cops learned their violent and racist behavior from joint training with the Israeli military.

  7. I worked in NYC for over 25 years, and about ten of those years were as a Manhattan resident. For the most part those years were great, and I truly enjoyed the city life and all it had to offer. But in the more recent years there was a feeling of unease or caution. I left in 2020, fled to my second home during the first COVID wave and returned for a week only to move out. It is rather sad, really. Surely, many NYC residents are able to live a fairly normal life, but I am beyond giving it another try.

  8. Compare and contrast:

    Palestinians: “From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free.”

    Moses in Deut 11:24: “Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea.”

    Plagiarism? Hmmm…

  9. Plagiarism? Hmmm…

    Bill K:

    You made me wonder, so I checked with my good friend, ChatGPT:
    ________________________________________

    The phrase “From the River to the Sea” is often associated with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is commonly used in political slogans and expressions to refer to the geographical area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. However, its interpretation and usage can vary depending on the context and the perspectives of those using it.

    For some, especially in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the phrase is associated with the idea of a single, bi-national state that encompasses both Israel and a future Palestinian state. This interpretation is often used by those who advocate for a one-state solution where Israelis and Palestinians would live together in a shared political entity.

    On the other hand, some critics argue that the phrase is used by certain groups to imply the elimination of the State of Israel, as it encompasses the entirety of the geographic area. They view it as a rejection of the two-state solution, which involves the coexistence of an independent Israel alongside an independent Palestine.

    The interpretation of the phrase is a matter of ongoing debate and controversy, reflecting the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the diverse perspectives of those involved.
    ________________________________________

    This is quite typical of ChatGPT these days. Bland, legalistic, seemingly neutral yet quite questionable.

    Is there anyone on any side who believes “from the river to the sea” is about “a single, bi-national state that encompasses both Israel and a future Palestinian state”?

    And note how carefully the third paragraph softens the clear Hamas claim for the elimination of Israel to the mere implication. This isn’t a rejection of a “two-nation solution” but a demand for the elimination of Israel and its Jews.

    I mention this not just for the current crisis, but as a head-up.

    We are facing a deluge of carefully crafted, politicized AI attacks from the woke elites and woke corporations. It’s hard to make coherent arguments for woke ideology. The woke-spokespersons aren’t articulate enough to do much beyond slogan shouting.

    But they’ve got vast networks of powerful computers working on the problem.

  10. I was in the area Thursday night. The protesters blocked vehicular and pedestrian traffic for brief periods at various points, but I personally didn’t observe any violence (although I saw the next day that a police car was vandalized). As New York City traffic disruptions go, it was pretty small beer. There are much more disruptive and annoying traffic blockages whenever the president comes to town, for example, not to mention the marathon and a gazillion parades.

    I don’t say this because I share the protesters’ views to any extent, but I truly wouldn’t call the protest violent. It was very different in that regard from the BLM protests.

  11. Those in charge are either more afraid of what will be said about them for acting or are perfectly fine with what’s going on.

  12. huxley, I just thought it was interesting that as they say, “Satan often counterfeits God”, so the ‘river to the sea’ idea of the ‘Palestinians’ could be construed as a counterfeit of God’s promise to Israel in that verse.

    The larger context at the time the Israelites were to enter Canaan was, “For if you will be careful to do all this commandment that I command you to do, loving the Lord your God, walking in all his ways, and holding fast to him, then the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess nations greater and mightier than you. Every place on which the sole of your foot treads shall be yours. Your territory shall be from the wilderness to the Lebanon and from the River, the river Euphrates, to the western sea. No one shall be able to stand against you. The Lord your God will lay the fear of you and the dread of you on all the land that you shall tread, as he promised you.”

    Though I believe the world will turn against Israel, the world will also come to fear Israel as well. So in some sense, ‘from the river to the sea’ is whistling past the graveyard for Israel’s enemies.

  13. @ miguel – I thought Ezra’s X-tweet might be a bit too blunt, but it isn’t.

    Ezra Levant ?? @ezralevant
    “Reminder: before Sadiq Khan became mayor of London, he was a lawyer for terrorists.”

    Per Wikipedia, Khan specialized in human rights cases, not all of them terrorist related, but if we insist that left-leaning lawyers not be cancelled for defending conservatives (and I do), then we have to accept that all lawyers must be allowed to defend unsavory (to us) characters.

    However, if he is voluntarily selecting clients out of ideological sympathy, some of his cases are concerning:

    Farrakhan v Home Secretary (Human Rights Act): in 2001, Khan represented the American Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan in the High Court and overturned a ban on him entering the United Kingdom, first imposed in 1986. The government subsequently won on appeal.

    Represented Maajid Nawaz, Reza Pankhurst and Ian Nisbet in Egyptian court when they were arrested on charges of trying to revive Hizb ut-Tahrir.

    Also from Wikipedia:

    Hizb ut-Tahrir is a difficult issue for Western and Muslim governments because it aims to restore the Caliphate but rejects the use of violence to bring about political change. Despite the rejection of violence, it is illegal in almost every Muslim country, with the following exceptions: Malaysia, Lebanon, Pakistan and Yemen.
    …
    Hizb ut-Tahrir states its aim as unification of all Muslim countries (or as it calls them “Islamic lands”) [c] over time in a unitary Islamic state or caliphate, headed by a caliph elected by Muslims. This, it holds, is an obligation decreed by God, warning that Allah will punish those Muslims “who neglect this duty.” Once established, the caliphate will expand into non-Muslim areas, through “invitation” and through military jihad, so as to expand the land of Islam and diminish the land of unbelief.

    I’m not sure you can be non-violent and still expand through military jihad.

    Back to Mr. Khan.

    In August 2006, two days after seven terrorists were arrested for attempting the 2006 transatlantic aircraft plot Khan signed an open letter to Tony Blair that was signed by prominent Muslims and published in The Guardian. The letter criticised UK foreign policy and in particular the 2003 invasion of Iraq, stating that Blair’s policies had caused great harm to civilians in the Middle East and provided “ammunition to extremists who threaten us all”.

    That’s the case that resulted in us not being able to carry bottles of liquid on-board; of 9 people eventually tried, out of 24 suspects, 7 were found guilty of conspiracy to murder.

    Khan was not their lawyer, and I can’t object to criticism of public policy (well, I can, but it was not a unique position in the day), but the timing is either totally coincidental or a message about his sympathies.

    This is footnote [c] above:

    By HT definition, ‘Islamic lands’ include Muslim-majority countries, ‘even if it had not been ruled by Muslims’, and non-Muslim majority countries that were once ‘ruled by Muslims under the authority of Islam.’ “… [L]ands that were ruled by Muslims under the authority of Islam and the rules of Islam were applied on them. […] This means the rules regarding the lands of such countries remain as they were when they were under the authority of Islam. […] Also any land, in which there is a Muslim majority, even if it had not been ruled by Muslims, it will be considered as Islamic land because its people have embraced Islam over it.”

    That includes the parcel “from the river to the sea.”

  14. Bill K:

    Always a pleasure to be schooled in the Bible! I see that is Deuteronomy 9. I confess I don’t read Deuteronomy much.

    As to Israel, I hold out the possibility of Israel:
    ______________________________

    I the LORD have called unto you in righteousness, and have taken hold of your hand, and submitted you as the people’s covenant, as a light unto the nations.

    –Isaiah 42:6
    ______________________________

    Though I’m not Jewish in the slightest, DNA-wise, I find Israel inspiring.

  15. These protests are driven by social media – especially Tik Tok and Instagram. The participants are mostly students and leftist NGO workers who are available for protests for the “right reasons.” Hamas and Iran are behind the organizing, IMO.

    Hamas and Iran hope that the war will drive the Musliu states to all unite against Israel. The worldwide protests are a part of the plan. The no-nothing protestors are their useful idiots.

    Because of all the Iran moles in the State Department and administration Biden will waver back and forth. He probably wants to support Israel but is not steely in his resolve. He will be pushed to waver and waffle, and that will encourage the anti-Israel forces.

    What Biden should do is insist that the protests stay peaceful and legal. He shouldn’t hesitate to use the national Guard to bring order if necessary. And the DOJ should be cracking down on antisemitic crimes. Unfortunately, he won’t do that.

    The IDF is trying to help civilians flee, but Hamas will claim every casualty as an Israeli “war crime.” The MSM will repeat Hamas lies. So, the IDF might as well get on with it. They can do nothing tight in the eyes of their detractors. The butcher’s bill will be horrendous and should be properly laid at the feet of Hamas and Iran. Unfortunately, it won’t.

  18. But of course…
    ‘PA chairman at Arab summit: We own the land, Jerusalem and the holy places;
    ‘Mahmoud Abbas calls on Security Council to grant “the State of Palestine” the status of a full member state, pledges to persecute Israel’s leaders in the international legal arena.’—
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/380141

    File under: The moral “syllogism” (“calculus”?) that has captured the imagination of the world…!
    Israel MUST BE DESTROYED.
    (BUT Israel refuses to be destroyed.)
    Therefore Israel MUST BE DESTROYED.

  21. pantsless mcguirk*, well there’s a little dark humor there,

    *he was having his tryst with his future wife on the roof of the Baghdad embassy

    now naawaz did have his whittaker chambers moment and has been dubbed a ‘white supremacist’ for his trouble,

  32. Of course it’s France! Has he not heard tell of Vichy? A letter of support —
    some support, the coward.

  35. Progressively (i.e. monotonically). Liberally (i.e. divergently) perchance chaotically (i.e. hidden or unidentified order).

  36. @ miguel > “my friend clarice was a warcrimes investigator for the fbi”

    Feldman is one of my favorite writers at AT, and I did not know that about her past career. That probably explain why her reports are so informative.

  37. “…is not France.”
    Oh yeah?
    Someone might want to remind that Maroon that they’ve been afraid for some time now….and it’s not just them: ask the priests and the lay-people.
    Ask the man and woman on the street.
    Ask all the people who’ve had to move out of the banlieues…
    Ask the gendarmerie.
    Ask the military….
    Yep, Macron sure has his finger on the pulse!

  38. Signs of hope (and the evolution of “Jewish Humor”…)?…

    …As the President of Harvard University displays a blistering talent for Comedy!

    ‘ “Antisemitism Has No Place Here” – Harvard President Condemns “From The River To The Sea” Phrase After 1600 Jewish Alum Pull Donations’—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/antisemitism-has-no-place-here-harvard-president-condemns-river-sea-phrase-after-1600

    (As they say, Timing is EVERYTHING…! Though maybe not at Harvard…)

  41. That and the monies of the oil for food program is why chiraq didnt go to war in iraq which is ironic because la sante and fleurys probably radicalized as many as abu ghraib

  42. Barry, of course French Jews have been afraid for some time, with good reason. The size of the pro-Jewish demonstration and Macron’s even writing such a thing are what may be encouraging.

  47. I was going to second one of Miguel s comments as particularly profound. I believe it involved Syriza.

    Anyhow I moved on. I’m really sorry as I was about to say something significant.

  48. Oh, yeah. Israel needs to stop playing nice. Special rules for the Jews. They’re never going to like you. Quit playing. I’m saying this as a friend

  51. steve 57:

    That

    Not Acceptable

    thing seems to be a server of web host(?) bug, not content related.

    It may not like your VPN, or some other digital gremlin. When it “Not Acceptable”s a comment I’ve submitted I just turn off my VPN and resubmit the comment, which goes through, and then turn the VPN back on.

    However most of the time comment made while the VPN is on are not called “Not Acceptable.” So my VPN solution may have nothing to do with the problem.

  52. n.n returns with more stream of consciousness riddles after serving up Vladdy propaganda about castration of Russian POWS in another thread.

  55. Re: Kate / Paris rally

    How is a rally against antisemitism “ironic” news?

    Granted, it’s a shame such a rally is necessary, but even some of our Overlords are bound to common Western decency.

    Good, even on Macron.

    Je suis Charlie!

  56. I’ve been about what if anything makes me different from Hamas. First of all I’m not a b@d@$$. Not saying the they are. Not even close. In fact them having too high opinion of themselves is a weakness and a source of our strength.

    They think gloating about killing women and children means they’re strong. You’ll all be grateful I hope knowing I never even for a second imagined that. They have an entirely different idea of what it my means to be decent. Its a different universe. God help me I understand it. I can get inside their heads. They couldn’t smash the skulls of infants if they thought they were doing something wrong. They can live with themselves because they’re doing Allah’s work.

    They’re you go. What should be the most basic reading from the book of obvious since forever. The problem is secular types just don’t get the fact different religions teach different things

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