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Open thread 7/4/23 — 30 Comments

  1. yes, enjoy the day for what it means to be an American.

    HAPPY 4TH OF JULY, INDEPENDENCE DAY

  2. ChatGPT and other AI platforms have brought about a very interesting conundrum. The very thing that makes them so effective is huge databases of human interaction. They use the “Internet” as the resource for their responses; wikipedia, twitter, reddit, facebook, the wall street journal*, the new york times, foxnews, CNN, the new neo… They “scrape” the Internet looking for information and conversations.

    The more data the better.

    But twitter, reddit and others don’t think it’s fair that someone is using their data for profit, so they are putting restrictions in place to slow or stop the services from accessing their information. If enough services do this** it could limit social AIs effectiveness and/or render it worthless.

    It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It’s also humorously ironic. The same companies that made billions from selling the information users provide to them for free do not believe in sharing their own data; which is created freely by those same users.

    * I’m using some of these as examples of the types of sources they scrape. Some I’ve listed have paywalls and I’m not sure if the AI companies have arrangements for getting to those sources; either at no cost or by paying fees.

    ** For example, I think the new neo uses WordPress. Many, many blogs do. WordPress could fairly easily implement code that disallows scraping, cutting off access to ChatGPT and other AI software. There are a lot of social and informational sites on the web but the majority fall under a handful or two of fundamental systems (like WordPress) at their core.

  3. I was thinking this morning that I’ve never had a job where I was off on holidays.

    Happy Independence Day

  4. RTF…raises all kinds of interesting legal questions as well as corporate strategy questions. As commenter MCS at ChicagoBoyz noted, most blogs (like just about everything else) are indexed by Google, Bing, etc. several times a day in furtherance of their mission to catalog the Internet. This is at least a symbiotic relationship where they provide a link back to the original source…I think most of us *want* such links. ChatGPT by contrast simply appropriates, paraphrases and presents this amalgam as its own.

    Is this plagiarism? If someone reads a whole bunch of works for his employer and summarizes them..tackily not giving credit for references even when he pulls the text directly from the reference.. but he does not *publish* the summary…then did he commit plagiarism? Not sure, legally, but I think probably not.

    It could be argued that this is what ChatGPT is doing as long as you don’t publish the summary…problem with that is, anyone else asking the same question might well get the same summary, so could be argued that effectively that *is* publishing….

  5. Dwaz, as a surgeon I worked every Christmas Day for years so I could have New Years off to go to the Rose Bowl game. July 4 was one of our worst days with injuries from fireworks or traffic injuries. I’m retired and will spend much of the day in the pool as it will be 112 today in Tucson .

  6. There are fireworks in my area, mostly on days leading up to the 4th. No parades. Important parts of our popular culture seem to have dissipated.

  7. Happy Fourth to all.

    Here in Boston, where it all started, there will be the usual fireworks spectacular accompanied by Tchaikovsky’s 1812 Overture played by the Boston Pops Orchestra on the Esplanade with accompanying cannon fire provided by National Guard. Seating starts early at 6 am if you want to beat the crowd of a million.

  8. There are fireworks in my area, mostly on days leading up to the 4th. No parades. Important parts of our popular culture seem to have dissipated.

    My community is quite blue, but we have a parade followed by an all afternoon bar-b-que and free music festival. I’ll be there.

    We used to have a serious fireworks display out over the water but that ended some years ago. A few days ago I spoke to my neighbor who recently retired as the top manager of the local public works department. The beaches would be inundated before the old fireworks display and the cleanup task was enormous. Worse, according to my neighbor, was the fact that these beach goers would bring all their picnic supplies with them from out-of-town, and very little money was spent in the community. “Money talks,” as they say.

  9. Most people know that “The Stars and Stripes Forever” is the national march of the United States, but relatively few know that Sousa wrote lyrics for the march when he composed its music in 1896.

    Here they are:

    Let martial note in triumph float
    And liberty extend its mighty hand
    A flag appears ‘mid thunderous cheers,
    The banner of the Western land.
    The emblem of the brave and true
    Its folds protect no tyrant crew;
    The red and white and starry blue
    Is freedom’s shield and hope.

    Let eagle shriek from lofty peak
    The never-ending watchword of our land;
    Let summer breeze waft through the trees
    The echo of the chorus grand.
    Sing out for liberty and light,
    Sing out for freedom and the right.
    Sing out for Union and its might,
    O patriotic sons.

    Other nations may deem their flags the best
    And cheer them with fervid elation
    But the flag of the North and South and West
    Is the flag of flags, the flag of Freedom’s nation.

    Hurrah for the flag of the free!
    May it wave as our standard forever,
    The gem of the land and the sea,
    The banner of the right.
    Let tyrants remember the day
    When our fathers with mighty endeavor
    Proclaimed as they marched to the fray
    That by their might and by their right
    It waves forever.

    I know of only one recent recording in which that last set of lines is sung– by the Soldiers’ Chorus of the U.S. Army Field Band. You can hear it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5bcpjUjLpU&ab_channel=TheUnitedStatesArmyFieldBand

    (If the closed captioning doesn’t come through on the link, turn it on at 1:04.)

  10. You see/read, here and there, these days about how all of the trends are looking increasingly bad for China, that China is in the midst of several collapses–in their demographic situation, in their housing, banking, and in their manufacturing/export sectors.

    Here is an interesting look–from “Serpentza,” a former long term resident of China who understands, speaks, and reads Chinese, a knowledgeable westerner who has a Youtube channel focused on China—about how Chinese propaganda presents a false image of how great things are in China, about just how developed and futuristic China is, for example, in the city of Chongching–

    See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjYah6swPoU

  11. According to the internet, I’m not the only person wondering WHO left the bag of cocaine in the White House library. My thoughts about this have no validity without evidence, and there may never be evidence, because whether it’s staff or family, it will be covered up.

  12. BTW alongside of China, a number of the major players in world affairs are also reportedly in inescapable demographic decline–notably Russia, Japan, and South Korea–and such precipitous and unavoidable population declines would also very likely mean corresponding declines in capabilities, reach, power and influence.

    Thus, the urgent need to “use it or lose it” might make for some very desperate and rash policy decisions and actions by these nations in the near future.

  13. Snow on Pine…the other old adage that comes to mind, “The future belongs to those who show up.”

  14. Kate–In these fallen days it’s hard to know, and it could be anyone, but given his demonstrated recklessness, his don’t give a shit, I can get away with anything (he has so far, and may do so for the rest of his life) attitude, my money would still be on Hunter.

  15. @ Kate > “I’m not the only person wondering WHO left the bag of cocaine in the White House library.”

    My money is on Professor Plum.

    https://www.lovetoknow.com/life/lifestyle/characters-board-game-clue
    “He would be the smartest man on the planet if he wasn’t so scatterbrained. Slightly balding and middle-aged, Peter Plum can’t remember where he’s been for the last five minutes of any part of any day,”

  16. Whoever it was, this is obviously a major security issue in our nation’s executive office.

  17. well his sister ashley was recorded having powder issues back around 2009 (I think radar had it) but never mind,

  18. the film version of clue was amusing with the alternate endings,

  19. Call me a cock-eyed optimist, but I don’t think the Biden Crime Family can skate forever.

  20. Last night, in my pursuit of all things French, I watched Wes Anderson’s “The French Dispatch” (2021). Today I watched it again.

    It’s a difficult film to explain. Imagine that the “New Yorker” magazine was started by Bill Murray as a French travelogue supplement to his father’s newspaper in Kansas. It’s the sort of idea only Wes Anderson could come up with and build a film upon.

    It takes place in a French town wonderfully named “Ennui-sur-Blasé” literally, “Boredom on Apathetic (River)” and in the “Café Sans Blague,” the “No Kidding Café.”

    I could say a lot more, but I’ll let it go and just say this is the most satisfying Wes Anderson film I’ve seen. He is golden in his ability to recreate the “New Yorker” world from this fey French perspective.

    I’ll leave you with editor Bill Murray’s advice to his stable of expatriate writers:
    _________________________

    Just try to make it sound like you wrote it that way on purpose.
    _________________________

    Words to live by.

  21. The Cocaine Caper Corps keeps changing their explanations.

    First, it was found in the vicinity of the White House, so everyone assumed it was dropper or thrown onto the lawn; lots of suspects.
    Anyway, it was a common anesthetic solution; except it was bagged powder.
    Then it was found in the library.
    But, hey, it clearly belonged to Donald Trump jr. (no, really, someone said that with a straight face).

    Now a source says it was in a staff work area.

    It hasn’t been in the kitchen with Mrs. White yet, but give them time.

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/07/04/white-house-cocaine-story-takes-another-bizarre-twist-as-it-changes-again-n771146

  22. Here’s another barometer of how things are going.

    With the passage of Florida’s Constitutional Carry bill in June 2023, 26 states now permit carrying a weapon without a license.

    Funny thing, though, while there are a few mass shooters here and there (and they’re mostly nut cases of one kind or the other), all of these millions of people who can now carry guns have not rushed out into the streets to gun down everyone in sight, duels aren’t regularly being fought, and every instance of road range doesn’t end up in a gun battle.

  23. Make that “road rage.”

    I hope what Heinlein wrote comes to pass i.e. “An armed society is a polite society.”

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