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Open thread 10/8/22 — 42 Comments

  1. And on the Ukrainian special operation, the special Kerch Bridge which joins Crimea to Russia has been damaged:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oJdVckKd6P4

    Ballistic missiles not used it seems. Automobile/truck span down, railroad span temporarily obstructed. Truck bemb or boat bemb.

    Roosia gets what Roosia wants.

  2. om after nordstream and now this bridge, it’s good to know infrastructure anywhere in Europe is fair game.

  3. JimNorCal–

    Yep, I’ve been a customer since 2006, it was convenient, and I bought many thousands of dollars of merchandise using this account, but after seeing this new policy, I closed my account.

    I also let them know that the reason I did this was because of their new policy of them quite arbitrarily deciding which of their client’s statements are “misinformation,” and then giving themselves the right to “fine” them, and yank a “fine” of up to $2,500 dollars out of their accounts, and that I was not about to have them limit my First Amendment right to free speech.

    All of this leaving you as a customer with apparently no recourse, unless you want to spend many thousands on a lawyer, and work through the legal system.

    Oh, yeah, I guess you could also try getting down on your knees and asking some little dweeb behind a computer to rescind their judgement against you and their penalty

  4. JimNorCal:

    Oh it is so true that any infrastructure in Europe is now a target? Who exactly would be targeting all of Europe?

    Roosia “annexed” Crimea in 2014. Roosia built this bridge in 2018. Roosia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022. But you know all that? Ukraine had not rolled over for Vlad, but has recently rolled over parts of Vlad’s armies.

    Yep, all the infrastructure everywhere is at risk. Time will tell.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo63iOTVPx4

  5. P.S.–Paypal wasn’t real great, but at least they were just a straight business. Now they’ve apparently joined the “woke” crowd.

    I’d imagine that this policy is going to apply mostly to businesses which use Paypal and whatever statements they may have on their websites.

    But, who knows if some busybody Paypal functionary won’t just start snooping around your account, swoop in and decide something that you might have posted, say, a stray comment, or perhaps even a review of some product you bought and were dissatisfied with is “misinformation,” and justifies them “fining” you, and yanking some money out of your account.

  6. A random comment about the web-

    This is something that I really care about-

    Recently, possibly because of a bad economy in the USA, some sites I like, as in Twitter + Tumblr, [will not] let me see much of their sites, unless I sign in to those sites.

    This makes me very mad, for 2 reasons: 1] I think that signing in to a site is a pain and 2] Twitter + Tumblr, + other sites, used to let me browse all of their site(s) freely, for the last 18 years.
    Why don’t they trust me NOW? Why do they make me sign in, all of a sudden?

    In the beginning, in the early 1990s- the internet was made available to the common people in the USA: mostly by private companies, + by the Federal Government, + by other US governments.

    My words- the original use the web, by the average US people, was for these reasons:

    1] for people + companies to communicate FOR FREE + [without any other requirements by these site(s), 2] for people to do business on the web, + 3] so the Fed. Govt. + smaller US govt.s could work + talk on the web…as well.

    NOW…

    in 2022, most or all of [the free sites for amateur artists that I like], and
    [ all of the free- social media sites that I like], want me to 1] PAY TO SEE THEIR SITES, or 2] want me to SIGN IN TO THEIR SITES…before they’ll let me see anything on those sites. What did I do to deserve this…I feel like asking.

    It’s like nearly all of the sites, want me to [have a membership card], or [want me to pay a fee or buy something]- before they’ll let me see their sites.

    This maybe a minor issue to my life, but to me- this is a blow to a FREEDOM that I, + other people, once had.

    In 1994, + the 1990s- the web was like a land-line telephone: you paid to use the service, + then you could talk to whoever you wanted to. In most cases, no restrictions were put on you.

    Now…I must prove I’m a [member], or pay a fee, to use a service, (the web), a service- that was once, almost completely free.

    We have lost something that was totally free.

  7. Seems that Macron is entirely unaware of the “secret agreement” between Putin and “Biden”….
    “”We Must Speak With Prudence”: Macron Scolds Biden For ‘Armageddon’ Rhetoric”—
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/we-must-speak-prudence-macron-scolds-biden-armageddon-rhetoric
    …which “agreement” means that “Biden” can say whatever “he” wants—FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, AKA crafting “the Narrative”—but that Putin shouldn’t pay any attention to it…

    (Speaking of Macronian “prudence”….
    “Will Giorgia Meloni be an enemy of Macron?;
    “France can no longer take Italy for granted”—
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-meloni-s-rise-bad-for-macron- )

  8. So the Russians bombed to close off the advance south or the ukrainiams to do the converse

  9. The pipelines lies in international waters like the data cables in the med, so these are the stakes we are playing

  10. Chases Eagles: “Sabotage” targeting communications infrastructure was to blame for major disruption to the German railway network on Saturday, operator Deutsche Bahn said while the government said no motive had yet been identified. . . . “Cable sabotage” was the cause of the breakdown, which led to a three-hour suspension of train services throughout northern Germany, a spokesman for the company told AFP. German Transport Minister Volker Wissing said essential cables “were deliberately and intentionally severed” in two places. “It is clear that this was a targeted and deliberate action,” he added, saying the motive was not “yet known”. He described the incident as “clearly premeditated”.

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/rail-traffic-in-northern-germany-disrupted-by-sabotage/ar-AA12JR4V

  11. Jordan Rivers:

    No, I didn’t make any comment on that Legal Insurrection thread. That is not me, although I could understand why you would think a commenter at LI named “Neo” would be me. That is a different person who’s been commenting there under that name for a long time. When I comment there, I am “New Neo.”

  12. TR:

    They either want your money (in the case of sites for which you now must pay) or they want your info to use or to sell. The info is usually at the very least your email address, but I assume it also has something to do with tracking what interests you. In addition they will send lots of notifications to your email address, generally.

    At least, that’s what I’ve noticed.

    Another thing is that even for freely available sites they usually ask at the outset if you want to allow or block notifications. And of course there are the ubiquitous cookies, which are all on unless you make a special effort to limit them.

  13. Roosians f’n with anyone who doesn’t give Roosia what Roosia wants.

    There seems to be a root cause for why Roosia can’t have nice things.

    Give it all up for Roosia! As Geoffrey stated ‘that’s what dictators do.’

  14. Snow on Pine:

    Most bloggers use Paypal for donations. I do. We’ll see if Paypal decides to use the new policy against bloggers.

  15. PayPal’s unconstitutional action begs for a class action lawsuit.

    The Ukraine war has now devolved into attacks on vital infrastructure. That’s a game that Ukraine can’t win… unless the US gets more directly involved. Which may already be happening, given that US Special operatives are deployed into Ukraine. The more US involvement, the greater the risk that a direct war between the US and Russia erupts, which in the worse case scenario… neither side survives.

  16. Fetterman scraping the bottom of the barrel…
    “Fetterman claims Oz should drop out of Senate race after speech near Adolph Hitler’s old car;
    “Oz gave speech at museum featuring German dictator’s car; Fetterman suggests it was disqualifying.”—
    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/fetterman-claims-oz-should-drop-out-senate-race-after-speech-near-adolph

    Sick little puppy.
    And might one wonder if he just lost the VW-, Audi-, BMW- and Mercedes-owners’ vote?

  17. my local fishwrap, i assume is mostly fake, as they bought every scam of the last two years

  18. TR, I got myself a Twitter account solely so I could read the accounts of some news people and commentators I follow. I used a Gmail account which isn’t in my real name, and I never tweet or even “like.” I just read.

  19. Hi neo,

    Thank you for your reply to my comment.
    I very much agree with what you said. 🙂

  20. Hi Kate,

    Thanks for your reply to my comment.
    You’ve given me some good tips, I’ll have to try them. 🙂

  21. I read through all the comments at the LI post by Stacey Matthews on PayPal, and there is a lot of good information about what it is, why it is used, what you can and can’t do legally to get redress (mostly they stonewall requests), how to use PP safely if you have to, other services to use and to avoid (PP owns Venmo). All the commenters who formerly used PP have closed their accounts (one of them warns that a hacker accessed his credit card linked to an account he thought was closed).

    Most importantly though, it this:

    Barry | October 8, 2022 at 8:45 pm
    PP has rescinded this new policy, stating it was a mistake.
    It means one hell of a lot of people said CANCEL.
    I will not go back.

    (Probably not our Barre Meislin?)
    Something to check on tomorrow.

  22. @ Art Deco > “This is after 12 years of ‘conservative’ government in Britain.”

    Imagine where they would be after 13 years of Labour (aka socialists) and “liberals.”

    https://about-britain.com/institutions/political-parties.htm

    Very informative. Includes a comparison of the political positions of the major parties as they stand now, and an extensive history and analysis further on down in the article, including all the minor and nationalist parties.
    It seems pretty balanced (or at least in accord with my understanding from years of desultory reading about British politics) except for a very definite anti-Brexit stance.

    Britain actually has a 3-major-party system, with the Liberal Democrats positioned in the centre between Labour on the left and Conservatives on the Right.

    We might eventually move to that configuration in the USA, except that state & federal election regulations and donor funding favor the 2 established major parties. However, as the right and left move further apart, there is potential for a new party to coalesce in the middle. Some would argue that the Uniparty coalition of Establishment Democrats Republicans really IS de facto a separate party, but it has no official status or label.

    The Brits went through that triptych process in a different way, with Labour arising on the left of the Liberal Democrats and boxing them into the center.

    3. A short history of political parties in Britain
    England has the oldest parliament in the world. The English parliament met for the first time at the Palace of Westminster in the year 1265, but it took more than four centuries before the concept of “political parties” gave a new dimension to political life in Britain.
    Before the birth of political parties in the seventeenth century, the English parliament consisted of aristocrats and wealthy men who formed alliances and majorities based on specific factors or loyalties. It was not until after the English Civil War, and parliamentary upheavals during the Republican years of the Commonwealth and Protectorate (1649-1660), that the first English political parties began to take shape. During the years from 1678 to 1681, and the constitutional crisis known as the Exclusion Crisis, most members of the English parliament formed into two “parties”, named Whigs and Tories. The descendants of these two original parties are the two parties that formed the coalition government under Prime Minister David Cameron from 2010 to 2015.

    Until the early 20th century, alone or in coalition with other groups, these two political parties in turn formed successive British governments, based on the results of parliamentary elections.
    Initially, the Whigs were the party of the liberal and reforming aristocracy. In contrast to the Tories, the Whig Party attracted people more favorable to constitutional reforms, and in 1832 led the most significant modernization of the British Parliament, the Reform Act, which rebalanced parliamentary constituencies, and greatly expanded the electoral base to the middle classes. In the 1850’s, the Whig Party became the most important element of a union of Whigs and Radicals who took the name “Liberal Party”. This centrist party continued until 1988, when it merged with the new but smaller Social Democratic Party to form today’s Liberal Democrats
    . The word Tory designated early supporters of strong royal power; Tories were monarchists and traditionalists, especially at the time of the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660. During the eighteenth century, the Whigs dominated British politics, and the Tory party played a relatively small role in the political life of the United Kingdom.
    This changed in the last three decades of the eighteenth century, when the rise of reformism and radicalism in Europe, which was to lead notably to the French Revolution (1789), gave a new impetus to defenders of the status quo and conservatism. The Tories re-emerged as a major force in British politics in 1770 – but this time as a modern party in favor of maintaining the best traditions of Britain, but at the same time strongly supporting the new opportunities created by the industrial revolution and imperial and commercial expansion. During the 19th century – as today – the Tory party, which became the Conservative Party in 1834, was torn between its traditionalists and its reformers. Benjamin Disraeli, the Conservative prime minister from 1874 to 1880, was one of the great reformers of the 19th century.

    After the First World War, a new party came to power in the British Parliament, the Labour Party. The first Labour MPs had been elected in 1900 as representatives of the Independent Labour Party. The Labour Party formed a minority government in 1924, but it did not last. Labour first formed a majority government in 1929. The rise of the Labour Party came however at the expense of the other non-Conservative party, the Liberals, and Labour replaced the Liberals as the main alternative to the Conservatives.
    From 1929 to 2010, power alternated between the Conservatives and the Labour Party.
    Following the general election of 2010, no single party emerged with an absolute majority of MPs; so for the first time in living memory, a coalition government was formed, with the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats sharing power.
    Since the end of the coalition government in 2015, Britain’s political parties have been in upheaval, with the Conservative party taken over by its right wing, and the Labour Party taken over by the hard left, a situation that has caused confusion among voters and a series of unprecedented political events in Britain, culminating with a hard Brexit that was eventually sealed in 2021.

    I will be interested in seeing if the change in Sovereign from Elizabeth to Charles will affect the party policies and alignments, because of his personal interests being quite different from hers.

  23. @ Banned Lizard > “Meanwhile, the Golden State’s middle class is cancelling California.”

    Daniel Greenfield’s post has shown up around here before, with different excerpts. It’s a long, sometimes rambling, essay, but captures the essence of the disaster that is happening in the Golden State, or rather the Pyrite State, because real gold does not tarnish.

    http://www.danielgreenfield.org/2022/10/the-state-of-dreams.html

    The trouble with California, like New York City, is its grandiosity. Building skyscrapers and rolling back the desert gave people the sense that anything was possible. But the horizontal and vertical towers of babel were only receptacles for civilization, not civilization itself. Men and women came to big cities and big lands to reinvent themselves and went mad instead.

    “One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England,” George Orwell complained in The Road to Wigan Pier.

    California, like the rest of the bluetopias, is run by those people now. But it is in the tarnished state, that they let their wildest and maddest dreams roam.

    Karma lives in California.

    Orwell could hardly have imagined this dystopia. It’s more Aldous Huxley, an Oxford graduate who died in Los Angeles County the day of JFK’s assassination. Huxley narrowly missed seeing the brave new world that was coming. The decadent intellectuals drugged out of their minds and the savages roaming beyond did not take long to show up in California. And the rest is history and current events.

    We think of Third World countries as poor, but they’re not. Visit Karachi, Cairo and Jakarta, or even Baghdad, Gaza, or even Kabul, and you’ll see great riches and even greater poverty. The problem with income inequality isn’t that CEOs make two million times what their employees do, it’s that there’s nothing in the middle. The middle class makes a society, sane and livable. It gives people something to reach for rather than beating their wives or knifing their neighbors in the dark. The bourgeois is civilization. Without the middle class, there’s barbarism, a crude hierarchy and the rule of force.

    California, always in the cultural vanguard, is losing its middle class faster than the rest of the country.

    Russia in its guise as the USSR demonstrated decisively what happens when the middle class disappears, which is the end result in every socialist / Marxist country by design, whether voluntarily as in California, or by force.
    Cuba and Venezuela and other such countries are corollaries to the Soviet’s main theorem.
    Why anyone would want to emulate them is a conundrum that can only be answered the way Greenfield did: they are all mad there.

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